When King Tigers were Ambushed by T-34/85s at Ogledow, Poland

[@schlirf]

"501st Heavy Panzer Division"?! Lets try Battalion.

[@evilfingers4302]

8:52 9:11 10:44 10:56 11:22 the following Time Stamps shows a King Tiger, but in actuality, they're all the same tank and the tank is actually a 1/6th Scale Armortek RC King Tiger, how do I know this, viewed the original B/W KZbin video several years ago.

[@pan2aja]

What is this analysis on Russo Ukraine war complete with GPS analysis ? 😁.. chill dude

[@wazza33racer]

A far cry from what Tiger ace Otto Carius described in his memoirs about organizing an attack with his group of Tigers. Carius always did a recce, usually in a kubelvagen to observe enemy activity and the lie of the land, and considered the terrain carefully. Getting stuck in a heavy tank is always a problem, and needs careful thought before committing. If you have limited mobility against what must always be assumed, numerically superior Soviet forces, then you need to have good fields of fire to prevent being flanked and never just plunge blind into the terrain that offers the enemy cover. Carius explains that by 1944, getting good experienced crews and commanders was difficult.

[@smurra3]

Excellent explanation of Otto's tactics. For as long as i have studied WWII i find it amazing that this is the first i have heard of this battle and the alleged loss of so many Tiger II's I would like to hear the German side of this.. .

[@billballbuster7186]

Otto Carius was another looser that wrote an heroic account of his wartime victories for German fan boys to worship. None of his claims were verifiable, as with all so-calles Aces.

[@rogerkay8603]

@@smurra3 why, you don't believe it?

[@pauliediamonds]

Yes, from the narrative it doesn't seem like the Tiger crews had enough training.

[@APOLON-bm7ym]

@@pauliediamonds It was 3 (three) KingTiger tanks, at least I saw same thing on other place, where they said T34s knocked out 3 Tiger2 tanks... Its probably german side of story, this one here is soviet side, and the truth, its probably somewhere in the middle.

[@APOLON-bm7ym]

Who else is watching this while Warthunder is loading? Also, continues to watch these similar clips, while game is loaded in the background?

[@ocsplc]

IS-2’s: King of Battle

[@Rohilla313]

I recognize Koniev and Rokossovsky.

[@user-ekyyetyeydu-bvmbmvb-ff4]

I also read that combat story in a book. However it was a very lucky situation 3 king tigers were ambushed by T-34 effectively. At that time Germany suffered from shortages of highly experienced tank crews.. very young teen agers had to get in tanks to fight against huge masses of allied forces. At frontal attack, that T-34 could never stand a chance to knock out that huge beast. On the other side that Soviet tank commander was very shrewd and smart to hit the weak point of flank. Those poor beasts were ambushed successfully. That turret was too heavy to rotate and ran very slow enough to be an easy target in close distance………

[@vanja2565]

Oskin couldn't have possibly knwon what are the weakspots of Tiger B. He was just smart, same tactics obliterated several tank companies multiple times in 1941.

[@keithallver2450]

So the 122mm gun on the IS-2 could knock out a Tiger II. Impressive!

[@pan2aja]

Google "Greyhound vs tiger tank St. Vith"

[@jeremyohara5707]

​@@pan2ajathere's no evidence to prove a scout car took out a heavy tank. A 37mm couldn't penetrate even the weakest point of a tiger, which was partially sloped and 90mm.

[@TTTT-oc4eb]

@@pan2aja Never happened - has been debunked many times over.

[@pan2aja]

@@TTTT-oc4eb source please

[@klxnone1014]

@@jeremyohara5707it did take it out

[@sinclairmarcus]

The amount of resources the Tiger and Panther tanks used is ridiculous when you are fighting massed produced Sherman and t34 tanks

[@JDDC-tq7qm]

Russia proved in WW2 they are more battle hardened than the Americans or Germans losing a million troops in 1 single battle but still marching towards Berlin is legendary Haters will bring in the Lend lease excuse but we know in Moscow, Yelnya, Stalingrad it was more then just lend lease the Soviets showed heart and tremendous resistance

[@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rg]

It's not either/or. The Russians showed tremendous courage AND lend lease trucks/jeeps gave the Russians the mobility to pursue the Germans without running out of fuel, food and ammo.

[@JDDC-tq7qm]

@@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rg how come lend lease only covered 5% of Soviet GDP that shows played little part compare to what the Soviets were producing, Soviets were even producing tanks in Stalingrad while Germans occupied 90 % of the city that shows Soviet economy was on full war mode

[@BjornJohansson4357]

​@@ClimateScepticSceptic-ub2rgso without those jeeps, Russia couldn't come fast to Berlin. Imagine just what u claim. 6 mil soldiers depending on 20 Jeeps. Land lease is less than 1% in Soviet effort of war. Americans lost 400k lifes vs ~10 mil Soviet soldiers. Jeeps from Lans Lease😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@smurra3]

@@JDDC-tq7qm That's Russian Propaganda, Big time Propaganda. We sent over 14,000 Planes to Russia alone.. They would have been overrun by the Germans, if not for Lend Lease, and Enigma.. Sorry

[@JDDC-tq7qm]

@@smurra3 like I said in Moscow, Yelnya and Stalingrad it was more than just lend lesse the heart and determination of Red Army is unmatched also lend lease only accounted for 5 % of Soviet GDP the Soviets relocated hundreds of factories to the Urals away from the front line even without lend lease Russia wound still win although it would've been more costly

[@briangriffin2905]

The German tanks whether tiger King tiger or panther were in dire trouble if hit by a stalin or isu/su 152s.

[@chillguys6546]

shattering their armor in one shot because of low quality armor

[@Julyus496]

​@@chillguys6546Panthers yeah, but no Tiger 2 hulls were penetrated in battle during ww2

[@neilwilson5785]

The Soviets hid their tanks this way because they had learned in a Darwinian way what it means not to be careful and thorough. Their crews were experienced, and the tanks were adequate for the job by 1944.

[@allgood6760]

Thanks for this👍 my Dad was deafened by a Tiger 2 tank in WW2.. he survived the tank didn't 🤔

[@billballbuster7186]

Soviet accounts of tank battles are almost as fictional as German. The Russian tanks were hampered by gun performance. the 85mm was roughly equivalent of the US 76mm M1 and the 122mm the US 90mm M1. The Russian guns suffered from poor ammunition, Soviet AP rounds were too brittle and would often break up. If Tiger 2s were knocked out it would be at very short range, I suspect the Tiger 2s were bogged down in the loose earth.

[@cellardoor9882]

maybe it was 10 of them vs 1 or something, not unthinkable

[@Ko.Wi.]

It really happened tho. The losses are confirmed by the 501st

[@Ko.Wi.]

Just Shows that a good ambush is worth so much more than how good your tank is

[@alfnoakes392]

Yup, good leadership and planning, as proven here, can overcome supposed equipment disadvantages.@@Ko.Wi.

[@billballbuster7186]

@@Ko.Wi. Yep, easy to ambush a tank thats sinking into the ground with its own weght.

[@miertjestoer9525]

Hi, which type of panzer wagen at 1 min and 7 seconds ? ( near the king tiger ) Was it; sd kfz 221, 222 or the panzer funk wagen? Thanks for the answer !

[@1974charlatan]

didnt see a tiger at 1m 07 seconds that looked like a t34/85?

[@MOTA_KRAMPUS]

Tiger II, beautiful beasts. 😢

[@alfnoakes392]

And easy to photograph because they are usually b****y stationary!

[@oleriis-vestergaard6844]

The lesson for the germans by this unlycky ambush was that they had to removed the projektiles stored in the turret because the 3 Kingtigers was a total loss killing the crew which was not the case normally , the battle worth bye scaling down the number of bullets on the 88 L/71 was really a disadvantage for the germans overall

[@jaroslavpalecek4513]

First! Greetings from Czech republic! Thanks for video ❤

[@FactBytes]

Thanks for watching!

[@jukeseyable]

Sadly fact bytes, more like fact inaccurate, at the start you refer to the 501 heavy panzer Division. They wern not and never were a Division. they were a brigade. you get a dislike for this video from me due to this glaring inaccuracy@@FactBytes

[@paullyon-vv9tb]

Love reading the comments making excuses for way the nazi s lost many of their tank battles or battles of any kind like here that it was because they had untrained crews. The Soviet crews were poorly trained most of the war due to nazi invasion of their land many Soviet tank crews only had a few hours of training before being thrown in to battles same for many of their pilot s and infantry. Plus with no radio s in most tanks they could not work well together. The Soviet training ground was the battle field because the damn nazi s were foolish enough to invade them. Nazi s were well trained from boyhood like most Japanese but they lost anyway s it was only the very end they had poorly trained men💥💥💥

[@asdf-um6in]

is every narration on this channel voice synthesis? what a shame

[@robertschumann7737]

I think there was a huge missed opportunity for the Germans of placing an 88 onto a light tank. The Germans kept going bigger and heavier when they shoule have gone smaller and lighter with the same firepower. Lower the profile below the Jagdpanther/Tiger making them even harder to hit. Only give them enough armor to stop machine gun fire and let their speed be their armor.

[@JeanMaximeCorneille]

8:23 false Tiger from a movie.

[@erikracz4162]

It would have to be an ambush, The Tiger 2, was not a tank you’d want to fight head on, even a Tiger 1 , you wouldn’t want to fight head on. Unfortunately, any tank is only as good as the crew operating it, and reconnaissance, and a plan of attack is also important. Reconnaissance is so you don’t get ambushed, and a battle plan gives an objective. With out those things, your just an oversized target!

[@generalhorse493]

Indeed. The Soviets by now had many, many painful experiences of what the new Panzers could do if you played like the Tiger wants to play, (such as Prokhorova) and learned to operate their armor with all the things you mentioned.

[@erikracz4162]

@@generalhorse493 I’ve heard this story twice, and they never mentioned the skills of the Tiger tank crews, my guess they just wanted to test the tank itself, and probably did not have good crews with a lot of battle experience, combine that with an ambush, and basically you have a doomed battle plan. The Russians got lucky.

[@erikracz4162]

@@generalhorse493 or Kursk, the Russians lost a lot of equipment, due to the tiger tank aces all on the same battlefield. Micheal Whitman claimed he fired and fired, and just plain ran out of ammunition. He had head back to base, if every German crew fought like him, the Russians would be speaking German now…

[@ВашместныйагентКГБ]

@erikracz4162 They would not be speaking German, they would all be dead, along with most Slavic peoples and those Hitler viewed as the lowest in the world.

[@raiskis1]

The 501st was not a division. It was a company/battalion.

[@kevinowens6010]

Around 824 to 30 in a field is not a Tiger. Looks like tiger turret on a T-34 even at that the tracks are worng for both.

[@proleterriert8075]

The issue with doing realistic like that is it’s a bitch to actually implement. For example if you think King Tigers would be kings of the game think again if you want it realistic. In the battle of Oglendow, the first recorded deployment of the Tiger II, one T34 destroyed three King Tigers. Yeah the Tiger II had really thick armour but it was usually of low quality steel and the welds were often known to shatter from incoming rounds. If you want realistic this is what will have to be simulated too. On top of that there’s the ‘soft factors’ you have to take into account, namely reliability. An extract from a source I read “The unit had disembarked earlier at Kielce with 45 King Tigers but by the time it had reached the vicinity of Ogledow on the evening of 11 August 1944, it was down to only eight tanks. The rest had broken down during the 45 km road march, mainly due to reduction gear failures”. Historical match making makes sense for a game like Enlisted or Hell let loose. Games where tanks aren’t just fighting other tanks otherwise yeah everyone would play the Germans for that easy win. Warthunder does a good job of matchmaking

[@Eric-kn4yn]

Is this combat report fake ??

[@pan2aja]

Because the mighty king leopard should be undefeatable ?

[@klxnone1014]

No it is not people want to say that because the tiger 2 has a reputation for being much better than it actually is and also think the Germans where much better than they are so to get to the point yes it is thre

[@MrBigstick25]

@@klxnone1014 Not at all. If your ambushed it doesn’t matter what tank your in. You get taken from all sides and your on the immediate defensive with your weak points exposed. I find it more interesting that a short barrel low velocity 75mm Stug 3 destroyed several T34’s by just straight up attacking them. And no I’m not a wheraboo just a realist.

[@klxnone1014]

@@MrBigstick25 and your talking about t-34-76s and kind of brought this whole topic of track I can bring up the a T-34 tank ace that killed 26 German tanks in 1941 but that isn’t at all related

[@panic_2001]

It must be called “501 schwere Panzer Abteilung”. 😉 As far as I can remember, back then we lacked any special raw material to make the King Tiger's armor “harder”.

[@Ko.Wi.]

You mean molybdenum. It Made the armor softer, but in a good way. It wouldnt shatter, crack, etc. In general, just take a hit smoother

[@panic_2001]

You're right, softer but more resilient. You don't need much of this material, but it's essential for armor.@@Ko.Wi.

[@alfnoakes392]

Is normal 'case hardening' being referred to? By this point in the 1939-45 War the Germans had very limited supplies of the 'ingredients' for improving armour plate. It should perhaps also be noted that Soviet metallurgical abilities were even worse at this time, simply due to 'lack of technology'.

[@smurra3]

@@alfnoakes392 The Soviets were getting ANY kind of advanced machinery, Technology, and raw materials, that Stalin wanted from the USA. Even After the war the shipments kept coming for quite some time. I read a book that had all this info it Boggles the mind how much we sent the soviets. The name of the Book is "Stalin's War" it's on Audible were i listened to it. Highly recommended. I am convinced if USA hadn't supplied them they would have lost to the Germans in 42.

[@Slaktrax]

@@smurra3 You don't understand the will and the fighting spirit of the Russian people. Each one of the Allies helped each other. Without the U.K's atomic research and gas turbine technology how far behind would the USA have been? It's rather petty-minded to start ''us and them'' comments. Without the Soviet Army WW2 would have dragged on for months. They had 80% of the Nazis fighting on the Eastern Front. The Western Allies had it easy in comparison as the Eastern Front was a particularly brutal war. The Soviets lost more than 27 million people, ridding the world of German Nazis (only to find they are fighting Ukrainian Nazis now). The UK & Commonwealth lost less than 500,000 The USA approximately 480,000 and that includes the Pacific War casualties. Russia has never been appreciated for what it did as the USA stirred up so much anti-Russia phobia it drew up plans to destroy Russia because they were becoming a threat to US hegemony and global dominance. Google search ''The Rand Report 2019'' for the evidence. The US & UK arrogance continues with their imperialistic opinions and colonial mentality. NATO is simply part of the US Empire. It should have expired 30 years ago.

[@markaxworthy2508]

What do German sources say about this action?

[@smurra3]

The 501st Tankers were all Elite Men who had proven themselves in tank combat most of them were already highly decorated.. And most of them started out in panzer IIIs or worse. That is how they were chosen to serve in the Tiger II.. I highly doubt that this story is true. As far as them abandoning tanks and leaving critical info behind. I read "Tigers in the Mud" By Otto Carius, Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves. He was in the 502nd heavy tank battalion. He never mentioned anything close to this scenario. The Germans went out of their way to recover Tiger Tanks and most of the time they were back in action in a couple days. This report is Russian, and sounds like typical exaggerated claims. Both the Russians and the Japanese were notorious for this in WWII

[@Dimythios]

I agree with this comment.

[@pan2aja]

What part of "ambush" that you don't understand.

[@damianousley8833]

The Germans, during the latter part of the war, could not recover their tanks as they lost ground to the allies. Any German armour that was not mobile had to be abandoned to advancing alllied forces. Many tigers were lost without any chance of recovered and were disabled or burnt out by their own crews or recovery crews and by german infantry to avoid it being captured realatively intact. The old saying the big German cats killed themselves. On a percentage basis, tank on tank moments were rare, and armour was mainly used to support other ground forces. There were not too many intact Tiger tanks or Panther tanks at wars end in running order. There were many instances due to its weight in difficult terrain, Tiger tanks were simply abandoned as unrecoverable. The tracked vehicle that was most successful in the antitank role in ambushes was the Sturmgeschutz, which accounted for many allied tanks being knocked out of action.

[@ThomasBoeckle]

@@damianousley8833❤

[@brex50]

Yep...that's right...the Germans went on to win the war and did not take one step back....!!!!

[@duniagowes]

I take this with a huge grain of salt.

[@Kevin_Kennelly]

I find it best to treat communist history with a large grain of salt.

[@alexbowman7582]

Fascist history is nearly as bad.

[@coachhannah2403]

As well you should. Along with western tales of the war...

[@pan2aja]

LOL... Western propaganda is delicious

[@Steven-nd1pz]

But you have to respect that the commies did most of the fighting and dying during WW2. Some Russian historians think that they lost 39 million people including civilians, but this might include the millions killed during Stalin's purges.

[@Qarlo99]

Ah, yes. Our great ally of convenience, who decided to be our ally only when their first choice, Nazi Germany, turned on them.

[@ConradHeiz]

Pravda the truth

[@RafeHusain]

Rus tanks had wide tracks and great mobility Nazi tigers and king tigers road bound

[@conceptalfa]

👍👍👍!!!

[@DaveCroons]

Americans had the best tanks...

[@ljubomirculibrk4097]

Jup, "Rohnson lighters"... Flames at first strike...

[@DaveCroons]

Dude, they won the war...@@ljubomirculibrk4097

[@stuartahrens6775]

American tanks were shit mate. And this is a load of crap. The German army had the best tanks from start to finish. This video is propaganda film. Before you make a statement. Make sure you study the information.

[@brennanleadbetter9708]

@ljubomirculibrk4097 ha, that old myth? It’s an over exaggerated nickname.

[@БубликПомидорович]

M3 Lee would disagree with you.

[@ДмитрийБельский-н6ш]

Most useless creation of the Germany .