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@FoobasSports8 ай бұрын
Is Bill Russell the GOAT over Michael Jordan?
@PIP...338 ай бұрын
@@Lucas_boilon THERE IS ONLY 1 GOAT. WILT !!
@PIP...338 ай бұрын
BILL RUSSELL : '' THE WAY I PLAY WITH 9 HOF , DRAYMOND GREEN CAN WIN 15 RINGS ''
@perditadurango96998 ай бұрын
@@PIP...33 🤣😂 Ahaha mate best comment ever.
@perditadurango96998 ай бұрын
@@Lucas_boilon Jordan best season 37 ppg , 7 apg 8 rpg. Baylor best year almost 40 ppg 18 rpg and 7 apg. Even Doctor J. ABA numbers (for those who dont know ABA was better than NBA) he was 32 ppg, 11 rpg and around 6 apg. Bird stats are also better than Jordan. Yes he didnt had 37 ppg but his 28 ppg came on 50-40-90 far less ball usage and attempts, while he average same steal numbers but far better APG and RPG. He also generate more PPG than MJ any season exclude injured years late 80's early 90's.
@beenizz51028 ай бұрын
MJ isn’t the goat so no. But bill Russell is greater than Michael jordan. He’s a far better defender, far better rebounder, and close in Playmaking ability, better IQ on both ends but is far lesser of a bulk scorer and a lesser field goal scorer The extent of things bill Russell is better at than jordan is considerably greater than the extent of things jordan is better at than bill Russell Wilt is the clear cut goat
@edgybravo42875 ай бұрын
"The way I play my team wins" what a damn legend and so disrespected by the kids nowadays.
@d33ps0unD7 ай бұрын
Every time I watch a video of Bill saying that line "The way I play my team wins." gives me goosebumps !!
@onztufan8285 ай бұрын
Every Single Time 😂
@jaygainer79555 ай бұрын
Playing four teams a years will scare tf outta plp
@jbug19795 ай бұрын
goosebumps, chicken-skin, chills up the spine.. whatever you call it. that quote is ice cold 🥶
@unnaturalselection83305 ай бұрын
"The way I play... my team wins" It's damn hard to argue with 11 championships in 13 seasons.
@user-if6xb5uh7z5 ай бұрын
Not as many rounds in the playoffs for Russell like JORDAN. Taking nothing away from Russell. My starting top 5 is Jordan, Russell, Bird, Wilt, Oscar.
@unnaturalselection83305 ай бұрын
@@user-if6xb5uh7z That's a very reasonable starting 5. Mine would be the same except Magic at point classic or Steph Curry if playing by today's disgraceful "rain of 3s" rules. ...But if I couldn't have Wilt and Russell, I'd definitely want Oscar for the extra rebounding.
@rubbersoul4203 ай бұрын
@@user-if6xb5uh7z Not as many rounds? Try 1 round at least from 57-60 I didn't look past that but it's a joke.
@RG-ct6qz2 ай бұрын
@@user-if6xb5uh7zgreat 5. Any team with Wilt and Russell would be unbeatable. Rebounds, blocks and steals.
@nunyabusiness79275 ай бұрын
RIP Bill Russell, a true class act.
@BRBallin15 ай бұрын
With all due respect I think “RIP” should be reserved for those who didn’t die out of old age.
@nunyabusiness79275 ай бұрын
@@BRBallin1 Really, why?
@kevinhennessey31896 ай бұрын
13 seasons 11 rings, never lost a game 7. BTW one of the years he lost 1958, he wan injured and didn't play IIRC. Greatest TEAM player in the history of American Sports.
@williamtoad80405 ай бұрын
Look at his Finals stats, then look at his career defensive win shares. Now, Imagine if FMVPs, DPOYs, All-Defensive teams existed in Russell’s era.
@Gucci234305 ай бұрын
8 teams ? Stop the nonsense it was Boston and la for 10 years .. there was basically no one else that could contend in that era .. give respect yes but dude great but a better basketball player then Jordan hell no
@dimes2crypto5 ай бұрын
You left out he won in high school and college as well.
@williamtoad80405 ай бұрын
I calculated it if they would’ve existed this is what his career would’ve looked like 11 Championships: 1957, 1959-66, 1968-69 8 DPOYs: 1958-59, 1962-66, 1969 6 FMVPs: 1960-64, 1966 5 MVPs: 1958, 1961-63, 1965 All-Star Game MVP: 1963
@kevinhennessey31895 ай бұрын
@@Gucci23430 The Talent was MORE concentrated. So no soft nights against inferior talent. You are likely too young to have ever seen Wilt of Nate Thurmond of Russell, so I will give you a pass on your ignorance. Russell could have qualified for the Olympic Track Trials on the 400M and the high Jump an extraordinary athlete.
@alexkidd46045 ай бұрын
MJ is my All time favourite, but Mr Russell, is Lord of The Rings 🙏
@ImBucketNekkid5 ай бұрын
Phil Jackson has more
@hectorzermeno3205 ай бұрын
You so dumb bro. Phil Jackson didn't won all of the rings playing basket ball bro. Coach it's a big part for me team. But the players it's the the key 🔑
@daviddennen74794 ай бұрын
@@ImBucketNekkidYou're not wrong but he's a coach tho. Only won 2 as a player.
@supashibby52155 ай бұрын
Bill Russell was better than most players who came after him. But he also played for that era’s top super team. Best front office coaching facilities best fan base best everything It was always Celtics & Lakers because they were the best organizations who would get the best players Basketball is a team game. These individual comparisons by people who never saw that era play may be as pointless as they are popular. But hey, enjoy & props to the channels who provide today’s fans with a look back in time.
@MMBeing5 ай бұрын
Exactly...he had a lot going in his favor that was conducive to winning...
@onztufan8285 ай бұрын
Game 7 for my life..... Bill Russell!! Game Over!
@IlIllIIIlll5 ай бұрын
Mj dont need no game 7s
@onztufan8285 ай бұрын
Ok then... 1 game....pickup game....driveway game... ANY game... a game on the moon... Bill Russell Is that enough elaboration... Goodnight
@IlIllIIIlll5 ай бұрын
@@onztufan828 thats just delusion now, hope you sleepwell tho
@leonwinch48908 ай бұрын
Not only there's no 3s, in his era there's also the most dominant player of all time (Wilt Chamberlain) that he needed a whole team to stop Wilt.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
Only 2 rings. M0r0n
@robertdonnell15427 ай бұрын
This is NOT tennis CRITON...FYI, basketball championships are a team effort...not an individual player's responsibility...get a clue before you criticize someone's mental state Please...
@nonamewillbegiven12177 ай бұрын
@@robertdonnell1542 yawn m0r0n
@coreythomas36336 ай бұрын
YA SAY THE MOST DUMBEST ISH HE ONLY HAS TWO RINGS. ONLY BILL RUSSEL COULD STOP HIM AND HE DID. 11 CHIPS
@bbb89976 ай бұрын
@@nonamewillbegiven7228Russell had 11 & 8 in a row. Sam Jones had 10 & John Havlicek had 8. '67 sixers & '72 Lakers are 2 of the greatest teams ever & would smoke the bulls.BTW/ jordan v Bird in playoffs was Celtics 6-0. now who is the moron????🤪🤪🤪🤪
@keronwindley49505 ай бұрын
RIP Mr. Russell 🙏🏾 🏆 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@AlacrityTW8 ай бұрын
2x NCAA champion Olympic Gold medalist 11x NBA champion out 13 seasons 5x MVP 12x all-star Bill is the basketball GoAT. Personal stats are overrated. Is Westbrook a better PG than Magic because he had more triple-doubles? No, you play to win the game and that's the only stat that matters. SFU never won a NCAA without Bill; the Celtics never won before Bill and didn't win again until 5 years after Bill retired. 11/13 is rediculous especially considering one of the Celtics loss is due to Bill's injury. Then combine with the fact he won twice as player-coach, yea he's the GoAT of basketball.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
Jordan is the GOAT. Cry about it
@AlacrityTW7 ай бұрын
@@nonamewillbegiven7228 Jordan tarnished his legacy by playing for the Wizards instead of retiring with his 6th ring. His GM years for the Bobcats/Hornets was also questionable.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@AlacrityTW no he didnt and he wasnt the GM you m0r0n
@christianhenry41737 ай бұрын
@@nonamewillbegiven7228Jordans finals MVPs has Bill Russell name on it. Not to mention Russell has the life time achievement award
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@christianhenry4173 that didnt start til 05 so Jordan has no Finals MVP with Russell's name on it. Haha nice try brick shot
@70sfan8 ай бұрын
I don't think there is a clear GOAT in the NBA or basketball history, but if there is a one, nobody else has that strong of a case like Bill Russell. He's the easiest and most logical choice for that claim and it shouldn't be controversial at all.
@asexymthfker8 ай бұрын
Hi is there full game of 67 76ers playoff in your patreon?
@70sfan8 ай бұрын
@@asexymthfker Nothing full unfortunately...
@tjalliemicheaux37198 ай бұрын
It's all opinion and fun sports talk. I'm mean, How long would Micheal Jordan have lasted back then wearing Chuck Taylors? 🤣 #ShoesMatter
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@70sfanJordan is the GOAT. Deal with it
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@tjalliemicheaux3719no they dont. M0r0n
@dennisgreene25445 ай бұрын
Bill Russell, the only;Goat🎉
@Blacklist3248 ай бұрын
The greatest quote ever, "😊the way I play my team wins"
@andrewcook12466 ай бұрын
Foo's cant encapsulate his greatness since stats, numbers and accolades werent around to pad his resume. They'd understand if they could see him avg a triple double with pts blks and rebs. See his 5+ dpoty and his likely 7fmvps. Some basketball fans claim to loge the game but can't comprehend greatness unless its avg 30ppg.
@osas52115 ай бұрын
@@andrewcook1246there were stats man by the 70s
@andrewcook12465 ай бұрын
@@osas5211 in the 1975 season after poor Wilt and Russell had already retired.
@leelandglover77775 ай бұрын
This is the man.the true GOAT of all time.
@DonLee19805 ай бұрын
Bill Russell would very much be like a Tim Duncan, on a stacked Spurs team, but time travelled to when there were only 8 teams in the league. Then you'd realise why it made perfect sense they won 11 out of 13 years. But take any winning year of Jordan with the best team of Bill Russell, I'll have ALL my money on Jordan.
@shubhamlele53955 ай бұрын
Bulls without Michael got routed by the magic. Celtics without Russell won a ring 3 years later. no way Bulls get Celtics
@sassypepsisimba8 ай бұрын
That’s the only reason to play a game is to WIn. No one plays for second. He don’t distort the offense of defense. The man went 10-0 in game 7’s. The way he plays his team Wins. That’s a Mike Drop. No pun intended.
@oldeskoolnewsreels99278 ай бұрын
You're not going to be able to distort ANY offense with a negative lifetime TS ADD. Bill was great, but that's terrible for a center.
@brandontopete978 ай бұрын
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927give Bill Russell today's sports medicine & training combined with new technology and he fixes that easily. He didn't need to shoot that well in that era to win. With the right coaching and training staff shooting is an easy fix
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
8 team league. M0r0n
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@brandontopete97 shutup
@coreythomas36336 ай бұрын
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927Bill Russel a 5xmvp and 11xnba champion. It funny when it comes to ppl that WON MORE THAN MJ. Rings dont matter but when it a lbj vs mj rings matter. They stupidity and hypocrite nonsense is real. LARRY BIRD DOMINATE MJ. So i dont want to hear that white dude nonsesne.
@mrblend5 ай бұрын
Mike always been humble when it comes to the past players, and perhaps this is the convo that did it.
@thebuilder2018Ай бұрын
it wouldve been when wilt argued with him about whos the greatest player of al time... after that all star break jordan never publicly referred to himself as the best player in league or all time 😂😂😂
@mrblendАй бұрын
@@thebuilder2018 Wilt also later on, said every player who came after MJ owes 12% of their paycheque to him, because of what he has done.
@shabakoo68 ай бұрын
Bill Russell had a good point. Paxton wouldn’t have been there. So the league was less watered down because there were significantly less teams to spread talent across the league. His spot would not be there and he would be reduced to a spectator. However, at the same time Bill your team of Hall of Famers would not be on your same team in a modern league with Free Agency. You benefited in an era where you could keep your championship team together with no competitive salaries to lure players away. Most of those 11 Championships would not be in your trophy as well. Maybe a few. Keep it all the way real not just half way. Now if someone one all those championships on the same team in the modern era they would definitely be the goat, but that would be damn near impossible in modern times. Context is key ppl.
@bricefleckenstein96668 ай бұрын
Didn't stop Wilt from moving *TWICE* during that era. Players COULD force trades - just not AS easily.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
Yawn. It was a 8 team league you i/diot
@coreythomas36336 ай бұрын
BILL RUSSEL MADE THEM HALL OF FAMERS. CELTICS ONLY WON 34 GAMES WHEN HE RETIRED. BILL RUSSEL WAS THAT GOOD THEY WASN'T THE MOST DOMINATE OFFENSE EITHER.
@bricefleckenstein96666 ай бұрын
@@coreythomas3633 Probably true for perhaps HALF of the HOF players of the Celtics of his era - but keep in mind that most of those had RETIRED by the time Bill did. It IS amazing how low ranked their offense was during most of his era - sometimes LAST in the NBA, while their defense was usually #1.
@nonamewillbegiven72286 ай бұрын
@@coreythomas3633 8 team league brainiac
@SeauT3 ай бұрын
Bill Russell = Incredible.
@RG-ct6qz5 ай бұрын
If I were starting a team Bill Russell would be the person to build around. If not Bill then Magic Johnson.
@Randomhero6518 ай бұрын
Your basketball content is an instant watch and like for me! Can you do something for Dr. J?
@FoobasSports8 ай бұрын
Much appreciated 🙏🙏 I definitely intend to do a Doctor J video.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@FoobasSportsso salty about MJ
@Dibbz_TV12 күн бұрын
What people don't realize is despite his friendliness now in old age, he was a DEMON on the court - especially regarding defense. It's like Dennis Rodman (who's a genius) that is slightly better offensively, mentally stable, and taller. Bill is in my Top 3 with MJ and Kareem. Lebron barely makes the #5 slot and honestly, I don't think he deserves it. Top 10 for sure tho
@HandsomeBoyGarion2 ай бұрын
MJ IS THE GOAT BUT BILL RUSSELL IS ON A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL
@mehpust60858 ай бұрын
Love watching your videos🙏🙏 RIP legend🏀🏀🏀🏀
@FoobasSports8 ай бұрын
Much appreciated 🙏🙏🙏
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@FoobasSportsi/diot
@nonamewillbegiven12172 ай бұрын
Groupie
@user21765 ай бұрын
Both guys were pathalogically competitive, and were the best in their era at the defensive end. If they were on the same team both in their prime, that team would prob never lose a game.
@finerbiner5 ай бұрын
Michael was a top 5 in the league defender but only the third best on his own team. Rodman was the #1, Pippen was #2
@user21765 ай бұрын
During his prime years MJ was better than Pippen and Rodman. Pippen became a great defender with his main attribute being his length, but he never had MJ's tenacity, foot speed or cat like quickness. Rodman was a great on ball defender and was physically very strong and athletic, but so was MJ. MJ could D up the other teams PG, and would routinely block the center's shot. Rodman only had to worry about defense and rebounding, MJ did it while being the best offensive player at the same time, he almost wasn't human. @@finerbiner
@finerbiner5 ай бұрын
@@user2176 Jordan was the gambler and he was very good at it. The only reason he was free to do that was because Rodman and Pippen could cover him being out of position. Also, look at the first championship. They lose the first game and are having trouble in the second. They put Pippen in Jordans place guarding Magic and the Bull smoke the Lakers from there on. Pippens full court pressure disrupted their entire flow on offense. Pippens 7'+ wingspan allowed him to guard bigger people than Jordan could. Rodman could guard all 5 positions and did. Shaq himself says Rodman guarded him better than anyone. Jordan could have never guarded Shaq Of course opinions and a$$... But, I was live at a lot of games in those first two championship years so that is my reference.
@user21765 ай бұрын
Pippen did a great job on an old beat up end of his career Magic, They put Pippen on Magic to free MJ up so he could roam free on defence and save energy for the offensive end. Old slow Magic was the perfect guy for Pippen to guard, cause he always struggled against quick explosive players, Dominique used to own Pippen until he got old and lost a step after his achilies injury. MJ would play better D on Wilkins, and that's a SF who Pippen should be able to guard. As for Rodman, ya he could guard bigger guys cause he had uncanny strength for his size, But MJ could guard ultra quick point guards who should have been quicker than him, but they weren't, and he had the length and strength advantage over them and most other 2 guards. Rodman also used a lot of dirty tactics, he broke the rules and took many liberties outside of just playing straight up D. MJ could just straight up D you up, without being dirty, or looking for a strategic matchup were he had advantages, he wanted everyone to know he was better than them, at all times, he never let up, he was border line insane. @@finerbiner
@finerbiner5 ай бұрын
@@user2176 Why couldn't Jordan guard "Old slow Magic" Pippen was every bit as quick as Jordan. You don't have a point if you have to make shit up. Have fun with that BS.
@ZBdude1496 ай бұрын
Jordan would dunk on Russell in their primes! Sorry, but Jordan got hops! 🏀🦘🐸
@kellykloss46535 ай бұрын
Jordan would have spent alot of time in a body cast if he played in Bill’s and Wilt’s era. No Jordan rules back then. Traveling, palming, walking, and legitimate foul calls. You know, real basketball.
@Rdkcmo5 ай бұрын
Listen every Jordan fan boy says it’s about rings until I bring up Bill 11 rings In 13 seasons the Goat 🐐
@jordanjenkins16715 ай бұрын
Something that a lot of people don't know is that the NBA playoff format back in Bill's day was shorter -- in most of their playoff runs, Boston only had to win 8 playoff games to become champions. That's part of why it's difficult to compare across eras. While it had to be that way because there were only 9 teams, we recognize a playoff tournament in Jordan's day where you had to win 15 playoffs games to be champion is relatively more grueling.
@focuz48995 ай бұрын
No, it was more grueling in Bill Russell's era. He had to navigate his way through angry hate mobs. He couldn't travel with the team, shower in the same facilities, eat at the same restaurants. Sometimes he couldn't even get a hotel room. He was called hateful names, treated like a dog and still won. MJ would have folded under those conditions.
@mikekillagreen94325 ай бұрын
Yeah but expansion watered down the league. Way harder to win in Kobe and Lebron's era. The skill, shooting and super teams.
@jordanjenkins16715 ай бұрын
@@mikekillagreen9432 The Chicago Bulls still had a heck of a road just to get out of the East -- just check out their 1997 postseason opponents as that's probably their most difficult run. That happened after 3 NBA expansions, and some of those 60+ win opponents were expansion teams like Miami and Orlando. League looked much more watered down in the 2000s in the Eastern conference where you had very few teams with 50+ wins and multiple teams under .500 getting playoff seeds.
@standardofexcellence5 ай бұрын
How many rounds were there then?
@jordanjenkins16715 ай бұрын
@@standardofexcellence Before it changed in the late 60s, there were the division semifinals, division finals, and NBA finals. Division semis were treated like a play-in tournament, so because of their regular season record the Boston Celtics only had to play the division finals and NBA finals. Division semis early on were a best 2-of-3 series then became a best 3-of-5. Division finals and NBA finals were 7-game series just like we know today. Source: basketball reference
@tjalliemicheaux37198 ай бұрын
There also wasn't a 3pt line in Russell's day, for Paxton to hit
@PIP...338 ай бұрын
LMAO
@tjalliemicheaux37198 ай бұрын
@@PIP...33 Hey Scottie, How many seasons would you have lasted back then wearing Chuck Taylors? 🤣
@tjalliemicheaux37198 ай бұрын
@@Blacklist324 🤣 My 1st leather basketball shoes were Dr.J's.🤣🤣 Ballers growing up wearing Chucks in elementary, w/ a 16" vertical is not the same as Bill Russelll who played an entire career in them & retired before Nike was invented. Pippen wasn't wearing Chucks on the court in HS. IJS Nike & Converse extended careers.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
@@tjalliemicheaux3719i/diot
@philemonx5 ай бұрын
Jordan was the only player scoring in that fourth quarter. Until paxson hit that shot, but yeah sure. Say the same for kyrie, ray allen for lebron… can’t argue the eras
@finerbiner5 ай бұрын
All respect for Bill Russell Winning a championship in the Jordan era was much harder and the players are athletic in a way that was not present in Russels time
@Dinotopgamer3 ай бұрын
Do basically that means it’s harder for lebron so bron should be considers better then mj off your logic and I agree so bron is the best im just goin off your logic because guys now are more skilled and athletic then Jordan’s time
@peterlatourette3547Ай бұрын
Keep in mind guys today are nowhere near as physically imposing and BIG and TALL as Bill Russel & His main opponent Wilt Chamberlain ...I think you forgot that! You can be as athletic as is possible but it is not possible to block shots better than these guys!!
@finerbinerАй бұрын
@@peterlatourette3547 Bill Russell was 6'10" and 220.
@peterlatourette3547Ай бұрын
@@finerbiner Yes, but his jumping ability mixed with his deep defensive knowledge of the game helped him become the game's greatest winner..Players then & today obviously dont play D like russell even if taller..and he stopped 7+ Footer Wilt Chamberlain..in my view the most accomplished BIG in NBA history..but again, not the Winner Russell was..No one is.
@finerbinerАй бұрын
@@peterlatourette3547 You can't keep changing your point and be credible. Russell was a great winner and I would never say otherwise, but the players were not bigger and stronger as you stated. Wilt was a great athlete but a selfish player who never even tried to make the team great like Russell did. As far as defense goes, the Jordan era was probably the toughest. Getting through the playoffs was also not nearly as grueling in Russels era as it has become. You have to look at the entirety of the situation all these generational players dealt with.
@Thereallevan3 ай бұрын
After all you can't compare different eras. Bill did win in a time where he had to stand in the back of the bus as a black man. People nowadays don't get what this giant of a man had to endure. For me top 5 all time. And for sure there are better players nowadays skillwise.. they better be with all the millions and nutrition etc.
@jimmieglass37445 ай бұрын
There's no way jordan could have handled Russell or Wilt.
@malnorfleet49255 ай бұрын
Reasoning? He had the respect of the bigs of his time. Why would they be different? They never faced a beast like MJ either.
@hinika5 ай бұрын
Why would a SG be assigned to guard a center?
@nivekiohc5 ай бұрын
RIP Bill
@kmusic59444 ай бұрын
It was harder when Russ played.... With all the off the court racism that he had to deal with.. it's much much more mentally draining..
@jjwet35apc5 ай бұрын
We will never know.
@FaithfulServant3166 ай бұрын
WILT GREATEST AND ORIGINAL GOAT AND RUSSELL A CLOSE 2ND.
@chaoscarnage95818 ай бұрын
Definitely would not be getting 4 in a row, Houston in the mid 90s, 94&95 they would have been able to beat Chicago in a 7 game series. They are atleast beating Chicago once, I don't care how much people love MJ, Nobody is going to shutdown Olajuwon, Osterstag would have been destroyed. Kerr is Not shutting down a prime Kenny Smith. That Houston team was too stacked for a finals loss
@brandontopete978 ай бұрын
MJ also didn't score as easily when matched up vs a prime Vernon Maxwell. The Bulls went 1-5 against Houston during their first 3 peat.
@Aanonymous888 ай бұрын
@@brandontopete97Where did you hear that? Kenny Smith? Ofc. To tell you Maxwell have great respect on MJ's game that means he never shut him down.
@Aanonymous888 ай бұрын
Yeah but Harper and Jordan can. Remember Sonics have beaten the Rockets at 96 which is the best defensive team the Bulls faced. Also Bulls swept the Magic Super prime Shaq and prime Penny which you can give a consideration for the Team. Maybe regular could be a good lead but Finals is totally different. That's why number 1 seed is not always better in playoffs in some cases.
@brandontopete978 ай бұрын
@Aanonymous88 where in my post did I claim maxwell shut Jordan down?
@chaoscarnage95818 ай бұрын
@brandontopete97 the only times mj has been shutdown was 95 and the 80s His last tenure in the early 2000s he was on a crappy wizards team with a young Antawn Jamison.
@YungNixxon5 ай бұрын
Bill Russell Was The Prime Godfather Example Of A Leprechaun He Was All About His Gold🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@paulginsberg69425 ай бұрын
Bill Russell the genius of basketball
@bobdavis33578 ай бұрын
Russell is GOAT of NBA title rings. And was a super defender. But Jordan would have excelled in Russell's Era. More jumpers. And no fbl dribbling. So he would have effectively aced the 60s and Russell. No three pointers though. Harsh. But there was NO better winner than Russell. RIP, Bill. Wilt was right,when he entered the league, they made it harder for him to score. But then the NBA changed the rules to make it EASIER for Jordan to score. Facts. Check the rule changes.
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
Russell is not the GOAT
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
No facts cause Jordan already averaged 37 pts before these so called rule changes. M0r0n
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
They didnt make it for Wilt to score. Nice try m0r0n
@coreythomas36336 ай бұрын
@@nonamewillbegiven7228Bill Russel a 5xmvp and 11xnba champion. It funny when it comes to ppl that WON MORE THAN MJ. Rings dont matter but when it a lbj vs mj rings matter. They stupidity and hypocrite nonsense is real. LARRY BIRD DOMINATE MJ. So i dont want to hear that white dude nonsesne.
@coreythomas36336 ай бұрын
MJ WOULD HAVE 0 RINGS IN BILL RUSSEL ERA STOP.
@Youngster5432105 ай бұрын
Paxson was a better shooter than everybody in the 60's lol. I don't think Bill realizes that it's not about the number of jobs available, it's about the number of jobs available RELATIVE to how many athletes are competing for those jobs. In the 60's there was like 5000 dudes playing basketball, all of them were in the US and 75 percent of the most talented part of the pool was barred fron entry due to racism lol.
@Howdydoody18783 ай бұрын
Right On Bill, you are still the greatest…hands down..
@lottoguy64575 ай бұрын
He also played with 7 hall of famers.
@tm75_885 ай бұрын
being the best or the greatest is not only about winning Michael is the GOAT of all sports everybody knows it
@BillouNicky5 ай бұрын
Hell no. He’s not even the GOAT of basketball. That honor belongs to Wilt. The GOAT of all sports is a tie between Wayne Gretzky and Aleksander Karelin. There’s no debate in their sports about their status. Plenty of people disagree on who is the basketball GOAT.
@transcendsociety1323 ай бұрын
Facts though just saying outright Wilt is the GOAT of basketball is not absolute but he is definitely in that conversation with Kareem and Bill Russell whereas Jordan more so an all time starting 5 in the sg position rather than the GOAT conversation. Aleksander Karelin probably is the most dominant sports figure as he only lost like twice at the tail end of his career and wasn't in a decisive fashion either I don't think while having a career that spanned over decades. When people bring up 'killer instinct' or 'will to win' for guys like Michael Jordan or Tom Brady in sports it should really be attributed more to Aleksander Karelin considering it's a 1v1 and a grueling sport on top of that.@@BillouNicky
@JRally65 ай бұрын
Bill would be successful in the 90s Jordan would be a God in any era. This debate is starting to sound stupid people. Jordan is the one. The GOAT.
@johnlemon29162 ай бұрын
The "GOAT" just ate his grass again Bill
@Cw311z5 ай бұрын
Bill Russell is the master & our grandpa boss of the NBA, so of course Jordan should be humbled because if it wasn't for Mr. Russell, none of us minorities would be working here, but thank God for the people who ingregated him & himself doing his thing for winning these rings. He's one of the only Celtics Hall Of Famers I respect with K.C. Jones, Bob Cousy, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Bill Walton, Robert Parrish, Kevin Gamble, Dominique Wilkins, Reggie Lewis🕊️, Rick Fox, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal & Ray Allen. RIP Grandpa Bill 🕊️🏀✊🏾I Still Miss You & still play my NBA Street Vol. 2 as a memory.
@kamilebrahimoff35894 ай бұрын
Had Jordan played in the 1960's he would have won 11 titles, but he played in the 1990's and the quality of the competition would not allow 11 title wins.
@hex13438 ай бұрын
Bill Russell was better than Wilt Chamberlain
@Lucas_boilon8 ай бұрын
Individually level of play? I don't think so but Bill Russell was a better leader and teammate
@hex13438 ай бұрын
@@Lucas_boilon Wilt was only a better scorer but everything else Bill was better
@PIP...338 ай бұрын
@@hex1343 EXCEPT WILT AVERAGE MORE BPG, RPG, APG, SPG , MPG AND PPG IN ALL 146 TOTAL DUEL;S WHILE 55% FG AND KEPT RUSSELL ON 39% . NICE TRY DERANGED
@oldeskoolnewsreels99278 ай бұрын
@@hex1343 Not even remotely true. False narratives. Wilt out rebounded Bill in every series and held Bill to less than 40% FG% 4 out of 8 series. Bill was great, but just stop the BS. Here are Wilt's stat lines vs the Celtics in the playoffs. The ONLY 30/30 series EVER. The only quadruple double EVER. He averaged close to a 30/30 for 5 years vs the best team in the league. Then, he upped his assists and was 20/30/10 instead. Name how many 20/20 games your favorite player had, let alone for a series. Any player for that matter. Here are Wilt's stats vs the Celtics in the playoffs.(rounded). Those stat lines are better than any other player EVER. 30/31 lmao 31/25 33/27 29/28 30/31 28/30 22/32/10/10 22/25/7
@perditadurango96998 ай бұрын
@@hex1343 Bill Russell literally have 40% fg and in career average far less ppg than Wilt. Every other stats like rebounds, blocks, steals and even apg (Wilt led NBA in dimes, Bill never did 5 apg once) - Wilt is better in everything.
@plainman98875 ай бұрын
That's my argument. MJ playing against a bunch of under .500 expansion teams racking up wins for better playoff standing and mediocre competition.
@jamescollins22115 ай бұрын
Whoever said that Paxton was better shooter than Havlicek or West is a total joke..
@beenizz51028 ай бұрын
Wilt Kareem Russell west n doc come before MJ in all time ranking You could argue bird and magic do as well but since they lack in defense compared to MJ it starts to get debatable Magics Playmaking and ability to still get so many steals is what propels him over Mike more than bird tho so I’d def say magic over Mike. Bird is very close not sure tho. Same with Elgin
@paulrodriguez23378 ай бұрын
Look at you hating on MJ again talking nonsense putting players that are not even top 15 or top 20 like Doc,West and Elgin Baylor over the 🐐 obviously there are some you put like Kareem and Bill who are top 5 or Magic and Bird top 10 but Bird is 10th not higher MJ is the 🐐 and there is no argument for them
@beenizz51028 ай бұрын
@@paulrodriguez2337 Elgin isn’t even put over MJ in the comments😂😂😂😂 You too Emotional to even recognize who’s being put over your god. Go be madly desperately in love with someone else following them all over the net ✌🏾
@paulrodriguez23378 ай бұрын
@@beenizz5102 You never debate me you just ran from me you said Elgin Baylor is close and thats disrespectful
@beenizz51028 ай бұрын
@@paulrodriguez2337 Like I said, Your not worthy for a debate unlike how MJfansarethebest definitely is because you lack his knowledge, ability to speak English, humbleness, sanity, and respect which is required for 2 people to have a rational objective debate to be held and end. So cry me a River lol And you got emotional saying I put Baylor over MJ in that above comment when I didn’t. The end
@paulrodriguez23378 ай бұрын
@@beenizz5102 Right but you said is close so that’s disrespectful you said I lack of knowledge when I already beat you every time you are a liar and always want to put tricky comments justifying your hate for MJ talking nonsense. The end
@YvngGoat_5 ай бұрын
11-1 > 6-0
@philemonx5 ай бұрын
12 teams that competed
@hinika5 ай бұрын
Yes, in term of winning more rings. In terms of finals record however, Jordan was has a 100% win rate, Bill doesn't. Bill Russell is still in my top 5 though.
@DjMustang2415 күн бұрын
Leave it to Jordan to challenge the basketball gods (Wilt and Bill). They set a standard and he drove himself to achieve that.
@ModernDayRenaissanceMan5 ай бұрын
I would argue that because they were only 12 teams is due to the fact that they were not as many good players around back then because the sport had not taken off. That's why it was easier to win. The Celtics were simply loaded in a very shallow league much like the Yankees were in early baseball history. Bill Russell can try to spin it however he wants to but it's not true
@user-jq8lx5dd1y5 ай бұрын
I don’t care what time period it is Michael Jordan would never have been in the stands
@RG-ct6qz10 күн бұрын
Bill had to play against Wilt. Show me an equivalent match up since then. An old Bill beat Wilt, Elgin and West - how is that even possible.
@trevaniansify5 ай бұрын
If you could be one player for one who would u choose? You would choose not to fly? MJ23 GOAT
@Real_Michael_Jordan5 ай бұрын
He's def in the goat convo imo, but his entire team was in the hall of fame
@luisescobar18685 ай бұрын
There will never be a clear goat, there is to many great players that played in different era's..lets just leave it like that
@FoobasSports5 ай бұрын
That will become more apparent in 50 years time when nobody talks about MJ and LeBron anymore.
@hoodpimp15195 ай бұрын
What I hate is that people forget Bill played with 9 hall of famers ! No other team had close to that amount of star players.He shot 44%fg as a center !! He is Ben wallace if Ben played with Curry,Klay,KD, and Draymond
@bgrady243 ай бұрын
Is anyone going to mention Bill had like 9 HOFers on the team with him winning those rings? The last guy off the bench has a bust in Springfield
@anselmaule8652 ай бұрын
He played the against the best Wilt Chamberlain, Jordan would've been neutralized by Boston's defense, Jabbar called him the ferocious defender 😊
@TheoP-qq6sv5 ай бұрын
Oh come on Billy Boy, don't act like your team didn't have 5 of the best 10 players in the league on it.
@HebrewGamer1002 ай бұрын
I'm gonna assume he made the John Paxon argument tongue and cheek because it's not a good argument.
@jesseramos19645 ай бұрын
Bill Russell is the real goat ♑🐐 11 championship 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@jimreadey48373 ай бұрын
I loved Bill Russell, but I don't follow his logic. If there were only twelve teams, Jordan still could've driven into the lane, attracted a crowd, then kicked it out to *some* open shooter. It didn't have to be Paxton.
@Daniel_AurA5 ай бұрын
RIP Bill, but MJ the goat.
@davidking33675 ай бұрын
Great coment Bill
@craighay90865 ай бұрын
There were only 9 teams playing when Russell won his rings.
@josephphoenix13768 ай бұрын
Only Makes Sense!
@nonamewillbegiven72287 ай бұрын
Nope
@stephenlnoe5 ай бұрын
I'd take Larry Bird first in that draft... Then Bill Russell... Than the rest... Not a knock on any other players but I think those two guys made everyone better and they only wanted to win.
@MisterFoster745 ай бұрын
Bi11 Ru$$e11 is The GOAT of Champions
@nonamewillbegiven12172 ай бұрын
Nope
@anthonypetrozzelli542912 күн бұрын
Bill Russell is the GOAT! As a boy in the 60s growing up in Boston, the Celtics always won because of Bill Russell and Celtic team basketball! He and his Celtics consistently defeated the Lakers! The Lakers were a great team with many great players! Bill Russell exemplifies Celtics team basketball while Jordan is all about self glorification and self-promotion. MJ couldn't beat Larry Bird or Magic when Larry and Magic were in their prime! MJ ushered in a selfish one on one basketball style in the 90s that almost destroyed the NBA. MJ was the most athletic NBA player of all time, but not the GOAT. The NBA MVP is named after Mr. Celtic and GOAT, Bill Russell! .
@user-ig4pu8tq7z5 ай бұрын
Not to take ANYTHING away from Bill Russell because he most definitely is a GOAT .. legend and icon to the game of Basketball , but many of you over look the fact that during his tenure there were fewer Teams and less rounds of the playoff series in the NBA along with the Average player being below 6’4 , No three point line, and his only real competition was wilt Chamberlain making it Easier for Russell and his Team to stake those championships… so when you compare that Road to victor with the 80s & 90s Rules and Players you have a better understanding why Michael Jordan is considered the GOAT……
@williepep-fy7qm8 ай бұрын
Bill Russell is one regal dude
@libfit90685 ай бұрын
Faulty logic that makes no sense. If the 90s were compacted, and there were only the top players were remaining in the league. That would mean several of the Bulls players would be cut, and there would be a lot of redistribution in the league. That would also mean a roster change and Jordan would have even BETTER players on his team, therefore he would have even more options.
@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO5 ай бұрын
That's a conversation for THESE GUYS and those they invite to enter in with them. Bill Russell had Rings as a Player/Coach, Phil Jackson won as a Player and Coach and Jordan's career people are more familiar with. We can't talk on their level
@worldpeacearroyo85155 ай бұрын
Mr. Russell will be remembered as the greatest champion in team sports. However, Michael can make the argument that, when a championship was on the line, his team was truly invictus.
@FoobasSports5 ай бұрын
Russell was 21-0 in winner takes all games.
@worldpeacearroyo85154 ай бұрын
@FoobasSports Game 7's, yes. He did lose a finals vs. Wilt's Warriors. Meanwhile, "His Airness" walked out invictus when the championship was on the line, every time.
@worldpeacearroyo85154 ай бұрын
@@FoobasSports Game 7's, yes. He did lose a finals vs. Wilt's "Lakers", though. Meanwhile, "His Airness" walked out invictus when the championship was on the line, every time. 90's "Bulls" never even allowed a game 7 to take place in a finals series.
@youtubenightcrawler95713 ай бұрын
Following Bill's logic about Paxson being in the stands means that their would have been a better player than Paxson on the team that MJ could have passed the ball to and if someone who was better than Paxson could make the shot then it makes sense that MJ still could have won those championships. Which is a weird statement coming from a defensive player who needed to pass and for others to make shots. IMO this doesnt disprove that MJ was wrong about it being easier to win championships in Bill's era.
@T0mmyPL4 ай бұрын
This makes no sense ... If Jordan played in the 60's when there were 12 teams, he would have had even better teammates on his team than John Paxson. The talent would have to be higher becuase of the higher competition for one spot on the team.
@codyeble67645 ай бұрын
Jordan was right.. the nba was in its infancy when Bill played.. yes they had a few number of spots but it wasnt as popular, when you start up a company you dont have the best of the best, as it gains popularity and becomes worth more the better players/workers are attracted to the product.. jordans league was better talent wise, just like todays nba is more popular so kids are training to go to the league from age 3, now today's league is more talented than jordans, and in 30 years itll be even more talented as it becomes more popular and worth more money in the future.. thats commom sense
@johnsmith22215 ай бұрын
No way they would’ve won eight in a row, fatigue, injuries, and it just wouldn’t have happened.
@bronxgmoney5 ай бұрын
People say bill Russell played for a super team but bill was the anchor of that team defensively they don't win those rings with out him maybe a few not 11 for sure
@alanaldpal9505 ай бұрын
The comment about Paxson not being there does not make sense, because if what he is say is true, the guy there instead of Paxton would have been even better than Paxson
@nza18045 ай бұрын
Exactly! Like what is he talking about? He shouldn’t act like there weren’t bad players back then. Even worse that there was no free agency so you couldn’t ride of the bad players for better ones easily
@holypoop885 ай бұрын
No one is taking Bill over Jordan.
@FoobasSports5 ай бұрын
Phil Jackson said he would.
@Gucci234305 ай бұрын
People always looking to shit on Jordan .. dude has never proclaimed to be the best unlike Lebron James .. he’s always said can’t compare eras but anyways let the haters hate .. carry on
@YvngGoat_5 ай бұрын
Wilt chamberlain literally said in an interview that he said he was the greatest player of all time and they got into a heated argument about it
@TheMwowner18 ай бұрын
audio was really bad
@danielcampos202424 ай бұрын
Russel Jordan Kareem Kobe LeBron Wilt Charmberlain Dr Jay Magic Bird Shaq
@xsquisit345 ай бұрын
Wilt is definitely one of the best to do it but let’s be real…Jordan beat more teams with dominant centers than Bill Russel even played against. It’s not even close. Jordan is the GOAT…
@ITzTricky_x5 ай бұрын
No salary cap for Bill Russel’s team…
@onyeilonyeil94685 ай бұрын
I love dis vid. I mean for Phil dat won 6 chips with MJ to say he'll pick Russell 1st? Dat says A LOT. People gotta start putting respect on Russell's name. Most people didn't even see Russell play, dis vid is d 1st time I seem him do a finger roll, WHAT!! More footage of Russells game needs to be showed. Russell played at a time wen der wasn't much money or media attention but whole lot racism & he was STILL winning. $ & media attention came in Jordans era. Russells chips transcended playing d game d man won 2 chips as a coach. Bill Russell put d CELTICS franchise on d nba map. BILL Russell was d GREATEST player in his era. JORDAN was d GREATEST player in his era. Dats all folks
@hinika5 ай бұрын
While Phil Jackson did say that, bear in mind Red Auerbach who was Bill Russell's coach for most of his rings said he'd take Jordan over Bill. That also says something since people love to bring up Phil Jackson. Having said that, I respect Bill Russell and what he's done for the game and what he has had to endure. Additionally, 11 rings as a player (including his 2 rings as a coach)...yeah I don't see no player touching that.
@onyeilonyeil94685 ай бұрын
@@hinika I'd like to see that vid, b/c Red said all types of things depending on the era. Wen he was coaching Bill he said he'd start with Bill. When Larry Came along he said Larry. According to u he said he'll take Jordan over Bill. Regardless these are 3 great players. Bird & Jordan played similar positions, Russel was a Center/power forward. But for Phil to skip pass Jordan & talk bout Russell dat played Center/power forward dats BIGTIME
@ShawnS145 ай бұрын
Love bill Russell! Definitely top 10 ever by any metric. Not sure what he meant about the Paxton example though. Maybe I’m not understanding. Did he mean Pax wouldn’t have made the team? If so wouldn’t there be a better player in his place?
@1877keeganj4 ай бұрын
1 - Russell 2 - Jordan 3 - Jabbar 4 - LeBron 5 - Magic 6 - Kobe 7 - Duncan 8 - Bird 9 - Wilt 10 - Durant
@dariusus98708 ай бұрын
2:00 Hakeem Olajuwon
@mikelowrey__5 ай бұрын
I’m confused…where was the humbling of MJ? Because, after that convo happened, MJ won three more in a row!
@FoobasSports5 ай бұрын
.. Still 5 short.
@mikelowrey__5 ай бұрын
@@FoobasSportsbut how did he so-called humble him? Mike is still widely considered the goat and he has won more than anyone sine Kareem…make it make sense!
@leokennedy45575 ай бұрын
STOP HATING. Put Russell in the 90’s and MJ would have posterized him. Jordan is the GOAT.
@Terry-du3vc5 ай бұрын
Bill Russell high jumped 6’10” and qualified for the Olympic trials. Posterizing him though possible wouldn’t have been easy!!
@leokennedy45575 ай бұрын
@@Terry-du3vc of course it won’t be easy-It’s Bill Russell.
@supashibby52155 ай бұрын
Dumb title - it’s the best players and fans of today that are humbled by Russell he addressed the arogence and ignorance displayed by those that have so much to say but have so little knowledge.
@sammyboateng31554 ай бұрын
Jordan gat his ass wiped by Russel and Chamberlain
@areta3162 ай бұрын
Dude played on a stacked ass team 😂 and averaged 15 ppg