When My Patient Sees His Shady Chiropractor

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[@TonyYarusso]

One of my dad’s cousins is a chiropractor, and did indeed claim he could cure my Crohn’s. Bunch of unregulated lunatics…

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

You can't be cured if you aren't willing

[@TonyYarusso]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 That’s not how diseases work. Get out of here, fraud.

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 I hope you are being sarcastic... Anyway, OP, I had a freakin' tea store clerk tell me they had a herbal tea that would cure Crohn's. I swear, the world is full of nutcases who know someone who proved something.

[@BKScience812]

​@NikoBellaKhouf2 You can't be cured of an incurable disease

[@patrickhaarhues2870]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2you are so right. From personal experience you are right. There are many things that people can do to put IBD in check without the conventional MD approach. Most GI docs don’t even understand. They make the diagnosis. Reach for the medicine or imunimidulating med and that’s it. Feel bad for them and their pts.

[@tsukikage]

As far as I can tell, anything that a chiropractor can ACTUALLY help with is better addressed by either a masseuse in the short term or physical therapy in the long term.

[@A---ti3zz]

Disagree. I hadn’t been able to lay on my back for more than a couple of minutes; was like that for a decade. Started seeing a chiropractor and I now sleep on my back.

[@tsukikage]

@@A---ti3zz And did you ever see a PT? I'm not saying chiros can never help, just that there's nothing chiros can help with that other specialties can't do better

[@PzA37]

I work in an ER and I see chiropractic induced injuries on a few times per year. Foot drop mostly, and the occasional vertebral artery dissection. I'd go with the masseuse and PT. Risk benefit ratio makes far more sense with those, compared to a chiro.

[@tsukikage]

@@PzA37 Agreed. There are some chiros that know their limits, both in what they can treat and what is safe to perform, but far too many that don't.

[@A---ti3zz]

@@tsukikage yes. It was a monumental waste of time and money.

[@melissaconnellyjones2622]

All of my in-laws believe that chiropractors should be worshipped as demigods. They have more herbal remedies and supplements than a GNC store, cause if it’s “natural” then it’s safe! I’ve facepalmed so many times I’ve probably given myself several concussions lol.

[@tsukikage]

A chiropractor can help you with those concussions.

[@hiimcrazyfordrwho]

I like my herbal or natural remedies if they're easy, cheap, and not used instead of a prescription for a real problem.

[@Alboalt]

A guy who worked for us had a blind chiropractor as his primary care "doctor." The DC didn't detect a tumor and the guy died of cancer shortly after.

[@lauren9667]

In the ’70’s, my sister went to one on the advice of her track coach. Her ankle hurt when she ran. The quack-a-practer (my favorite name for him) advised that she drink cranberry juice because the kidneys are related to the ankles in a 16 year old athlete. She hated it. Mostly drank it with 7-Up. After weeks of pain, my parents took her to see an orthopedic surgeon. She broke a bone that pinned a tendon in place. You could SEE the tendon rolling over the ankle bone. A real doctor did surgery and she was fine. I can’t get over that incident. She, however, loves her current chiropractor. Maybe it’s like any course of study… someone always graduates at the bottom of their class. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lymarie1974]

Your poor sister. I can only imagine the pain she was in while drinking juice for it?? Thank goodness your parents stepped in. Yikes 😱

[@an_birb]

My parents took me to a chiropractor instead of a doctor for a very obvious insect bite. The guy insisted "God told him" it was a spider bite and I should put essential oils, clay masks, and a raw potato on it to draw out the poison. I had aggressively negative reactions to every part of the process (clay ripped my skin/scabs off, potato induced a secondary rash, and I developed an allergy to the essential oils). Parents never followed up with a doctor visit. Fast forward several years and I discovered that that insect bite was co-infected with Lyme disease 🙃 And any competent doctor would've picked up on that on first glance...

[@insulate43]

I think Doc Schmidt is being kind by implying that only a minority of DCs are shady. This may be true in the sense that many of them actually believe in most of the preposterous treatments and diagnostic methods they use ("Sincerity is an overrated virtue" [Milton Friedman]). Two of my close relatives went together to see a highly-recommended DC who immediately diagnosed both with hiatal hernia. Not to worry, he fixed them right up with a quick adjustment. They both felt better and left happy! I've become discouraged of late as evidence piles up re the utter inability of humans to assess plausibility and probability. Charlatans and quacks are getting rich while the few shouting from the rooftops are ignored in favor of what the credulous feel and want to believe. Depressing...

[@osckey]

The field of chiropractic care is founded on a foundation of pseudoscience. It’s unfortunate, but I consider even the best chiropractors to be well intentioned, but ultimately, practicing in a field with little evidence for the widely varied claims. Most evidence I hear is anecdotal.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

You're clueless

[@osckey]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 No I’m not. I have informed my opinion on this through reviewing the historical precedence on the origin of chiropractic medicine, review of peer reviewed sources looking at the quality of evidence for chiropractic interventions, and have personally seen the influence of the widely varied claims of chiropractors on my patients. I am not clueless. I take a tempered stance on this and am open to seeing any high quality evidence for chiropractic care.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

@@osckey so basically, your opinion is based on feelings

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

@@osckey your patients? So you're a quack, that's why you're upset?

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

@@osckey when was the last time you cured someone of GERD or type 2 diabetes?

[@Joy21090]

PSA - celiac can cause iron malabsorption too.

[@Alboalt]

Celiac is rare

[@Joy21090]

@@Alboalt Not super-rare.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Alboalt- so?

[@TimeTravelerJessica]

I remember when I was trying to use up my FSA before the deadline and I was so annoyed that I needed a doctor's note to use it on a massage but chiropractory was allowed with no questions asked

[@xboxfullauto1000]

You are brave for making this video LOL! Very accurate haha.

[@michaelm1]

Shady chiropractors are great. I always have them break my spine and turn my head 360 degrees before starting a week. :-)

[@marcdavis4509]

He’s a Doctor like Doctor Pepper is a Doctor

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

No, they are doctors of chiropractic

[@tyrant-den884]

A pharmacist?

[@tsukikage]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 There are some chiropractors that know the limits of their practice and won't say their techniques can do anything beyond what there is SOME credible evidence of them being able to do, and definitely won't do anything that is seriously contra-indicated, like performing chiropractic techniques on infants. However, chiropractic care is based in a history of pseudoscience, and that pseudoscience persists in the industry today, leaving many chiropractors saying they can treat things that no accredited DC program should have taught them they can treat, and performing techniques that no such program should have taught them they should perform. Note that there isn't a SINGLE public university or college in the US that offers a chiropractic program. In addition, "In 2015, nine internationally accredited chiropractic colleges [...] made an open statement which included: "The teaching of the vertebral subluxation complex as a vitalistic construct that claims that it is the cause of disease is unsupported by evidence. Its inclusion in a modern chiropractic curriculum in anything other than an historic context is therefore inappropriate and unnecessary".

[@alex_enbee]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2they are not actually doctors at all, complete quacks

[@ferretyluv]

Dr Pepper WAS a real doctor. He was a pharmacist.

[@buffys3477]

My friend went to one for back pain despite me warning her as I’d seen several patients with injuries (including broken ribs) caused by a chiropractor. Ended up with severe bruising in her lower back and buttocks after a “massage and adjustment.” Looked like she’d been hit by a car, it was horrific.

[@tribyte4813]

I have used a chiropractic relieve hip, shoulder, back and neck pain. It does bring temporary relief. The best help I've received was from a physical therapist who was also familiar with massage therapy and dry needling. I believe there should be some cross training for some of those professions.

[@danielcrafter9349]

No - if you removed the chiropractic part, you'd have the same result

[@tribyte4813]

Maybe, I've just never solely used physical therapy on its own. I can tell you that for nerves that get pinched in the joint I've never found any relief from anything other than getting adjusted.

[@joywebster2678]

I had a stroke an hour after my last ever chiropractor adjustment. Never went back. Acupuncture was great but not covered so I had to stop, itvwas done by a board certified anesthetist on his days off.

[@tribyte4813]

​@@joywebster2678 I probably wouldn't either with that experience!

[@thehigherevolutionary]

They always bring up big pharma...😅 it's a play book they all read.

[@patraic5241]

My DC has Never brought up big pharma.

[@thehigherevolutionary]

@@patraic5241 Zai gezunt! 👏😒

[@tillettman]

The best chiropractors I went to were those who had real physical therapists come in to do a session with you after your “adjustment”. The worst chiropractor was one who still ascribed to the notion that ALL disease is due to spinal subluxation.

[@dacisky]

Never saw a chiro,only real Doctors.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

Chiropractors are real doctors and get better results

[@osckey]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 that’s not true. I don’t know why you’re spreading outright lies. That’s strange, you can do better, come on.

[@NikoBellaKhouf2]

@@osckey they study from the same books. They even doctorate degrees. They are doctors. And they get better results, that's a fact. Cope

[@BeatlesCentricUniverse]

@@NikoBellaKhouf2 You're completely full of sht.

[@lindalandrum9232]

My chiropractor literally started as an MD, doing his DC work on the side. His education was done with other MDs, except he went 2 extra years for his specialty in chiropractic medicine. He's been practicing for 30+ years and even gets sent patients from the VA.

[@kalipw0210]

Sublux for a hiatal got me 🤣🤣🤣

[@lymarie1974]

I went to a chiropractor after an auto wreck , one of the things that really shocked me was mothers bringing in their 16 week old infants to get adjusted. I never heard of that or saw that before.

[@martinsmallridge4025]

That’s something offered by Osteopaths to help realign the skull plates in infants. Whether chiropractors should be doing is not something I’ve heard of..

[@magikdust2095]

My mother took me to chiropractors ever since I was a small child. I personally don't think it did anything positive, but I found it unhelpful any time I went when I was older. I found massage therapy worked much better.

[@meredith3588]

Wow, just wow!

[@valerielock2374]

Dr Berg lol! Gets all his info from sceintolgy helpers on vitamins ect.

[@scriptorpaulina]

Damn, this chiropractor really pushing his big pharma. Also, damn, is it really so rare for more to have a chiropractor that focuses on back pain and PT???

[@user-ph6yh4hs9z]

The best chiropractor in town broke my cousins neck, he started losing limb control rt there in the office! Any one would know call 911, but NO, chiropractor picked him up and carried him to his car and drove him to hospital to keep it secret! Paralyzed my cousin, had to have neurosurgery and took him a looong time to recover most of his ability back, but was disabled still. If he only hadn’t WALKED in to be’ adjusted’ , none of this would have ever happened.

[@FutureAIDev2015]

This is painfully familiar. My mom works for a chiropractor...

[@patraic5241]

I've never had Any Chiropractor that behaved that way. Every single one was up front about what they could and couldn't help with. In fact it was a DC that finally correctly diagnosed a herniated disc in my lower back that my GP had missed for six years. I was then referred to a neurosurgeon for a microdiscectomy. If anyone meets a DC like this Run.

[@mellie4174]

Been to chiropractors all my life and never saw one that acted that way or even discussed other diseases. Who are these people??

[@patraic5241]

@@mellie4174 As far as I can tell this is representative of old stereotyping. That doesn't mean they don't exist. But certainly the rare exception not the rule.

[@adria89]

I have met a few, and they're awful 😖 I felt terrible for all their patients 😔

[@arespostale_art]

@@mellie4174A local chiropractic office is ran by a married couple (both licensed chiros). Their About Us page talks about the reason they got into chiropractics. Their 3 year old son was non verbal and diagnosed with autism. Nothing the big doctors at the hospital did would "fix" him. Then, they took him to a chiropractor (first of all, the decision to do that to your 3 year old. Btw, their clinic accepts newborn infants and has a photo of them doing it to their second kid 🙃) . Gasp, the child is cured! He no longer has autism!! He can speak! Come bring YOUR child in for their adjustment now 👊. So some horrific people really are like this.

[@user-ph6yh4hs9z]

You. Should have asked for an MRI and a consult with a neurologist or neurosurgeon after finding MRI results. Your MD was not doing a good job. You need a new MD not a chirocracker. You wouldn’t have had to suffer for so long if you had not tolerated being ignored.

[@OGimouse1]

I lucked out with the chiropractor I had. He kept up with actual peer-reviewed literature and wanted to work with my doctors. There were things he wouldn't do unless he had the go-ahead from the specialist or PCP. I really miss Dr. Atchley =(

[@cathcolwell2197]

Chiro has helped me.

[@user-lp5ci9bi2j]

This may be mostly true but I had a great experience with a chiropractor. A rheumatologist had said nothing was wrong with me "just fibromyalgia" and to see a chiropractor after being on methotrexate 5 years was abruptly taken off and seen to chiropractor. Chiropractor said there is no way in heck you have fibromyalgia you need a new rheumatologist. I had systemic lupus. That chiropractor could have milked me for a while as i was in so much pain i was desperate

[@UberMenschNowFilms]

The pushing of overpriced supplements is so accurate. Last time I went to a chiropractor, he tried to sell me a medium sized bottle of fancy multivitamins for $60.

[@abbunnies9784]

Would i trust a chiropractor to diagnose or treat anything unrelated to bio mechanics, or the nervous system in relation to bio mechanics? No. But when my nervous system is getting so overloaded from being pinched, incorrect posture and other similar sources of pain that i get vertigo so bad i have to crawl to and from the bathroom, yeah im gonna see them, not a regular doctor. If its a really good adjustment, sometimes i get a fantastic soul satisfying poop cause the muscles were able to relax.

[@tscimb]

As much as chiropractors aren't science-based, he was the only one who was ever been willing to say I had a frozen shoulder. However, no insurance would cover doing anything for it since it was just a chiropractor willing to document it. Now, 2+ decades later and Oh Look! I have frozen shoulders, but it's too late for surgery to not cause more damage than help.

[@erinnorwood6124]

😢

[@MB-vi8zp]

My mom is unfortunately smitten with a chiro just like this. She's getting older and I'm worried about her always listening to this quack and not ever going to an actual doctor.

[@goldenegg8of100]

Are those ghosts on your hat like the one that told the original chiropractor how to “heal”?

[@samantha6564]

I love my chiropractor. He always tell me to only come when I need to. I had a really nasty trigger point in my back and he did some adjustments, soft tissue work, and ultrasound therapy that worked wonders.

[@towsifhossain2010]

Keep on going. Adjust yourself time to time. 😂

[@rebeccacrockett8334]

Reputable chiropractors can help specifically with musculoskeletal stuff. I have a fabulous one I see. I'm a DO. I do some manipulation too. For musculoskeletal stuff. I do all the usual"MD" stuff for the things that need it. The shady chiropractors will push supplements, accupuncture and adjustment only, and have you come in more than weekly. Those shenanigans will lead to injury, delayed treatment, hypermobility, and later dependence on manipulation to correct the hypermobility.

[@emilysha418]

​@@rebeccacrockett8334 thanks for this nuanced take! I wish there were more DOs that still did manual manipulation

[@suecampbell4811]

Chiro Quacker

[@Sylvaria]

My chiropractor just finished his Family Nurse Practitioner program. I'm a RN and we discuss peer reviewed studies all the time. I've been in chiro care for years and have had one or two that are a wee bit shady like that.

[@rebeccacrockett8334]

The bad ones give the good ones a bad name. There IS peer reviewed literature in the DC and DO sphere. In the DO world, it is kept within its purview -as an adjunct tx

[@user-um2uf9zq4c]

@@rebeccacrockett8334 where is the literature please? Last I did a dive, evidence indicated that it rarely performs better than placebo for anything other than LBP.

[@tommiegirl2441]

But he got the iron right! See, that proves everything! 😂 Full disclosure, all I know about chiropractic medicine is that it didn't work for me. But I have learned that there are shady characters in every department of medicine. No matter the specialty, we call the med student who graduated at the bottom of the class "Doctor." Some are diamonds, some are rocks. I took it as a shot against the doc, not chiropractors in general.

[@Leo_ness]

I go to a chiropractor for pain and nothing else. And only until the pain is resolved.

[@apache58]

What about Chiropractors constantly giving advice on diabetes, hypertension, chf, on Facebook. I contacted one of them and told him that he is just a glorified physical therapist 😅😂

[@tyrant-den884]

Well he was right about the iron...

[@beth8775]

Obviously, this type are quacks, but there ARE chiros who understand their scope of practice. I see my GP to manage my hypothyroidism, etc., and I see my chiropractor to deal with my migraines and the spinal misalignments I am prone to because of hypermobility.

[@joywebster2678]

I have EDS thus hypermobility. I stopped seeing a chiropractor after he insisted on adjusting my neck despite me wanting my back adjusted. When I went to work asxa RN later that day ( afternoon shift) collapsed with a stroke. No one pointed fingers but I stopped going, went to massage therapists instead.

[@professorbutters]

I don’t go to chiropractors anymore. I have a few conditions that worry me about potential injury. The weirdest doctor I ever went to was a GI doctor, though. He had a vast office with a lot of dark wood and explained things about harmony in marriage (have not been married in decades) and understanding meaning standing under and it was all mixed in with some kind of religious stuff. I just wanted to know what to do about the GI issues I have. I decided it wasn’t worth risking a punctured bowel with this clown and got another referral. It’s possible, btw, that some emergency doctors may have nailed it with a simple x-ray: undiagnosed, untreated, chronic colitis.

[@A---ti3zz]

My back doctor thinks a gastroenterologist can fix my back pain. My physical medicine doc is adamant it is referred pain from some kind of gi issue.

[@alphax4785]

Chiropractors are good physical therapists at best and utter quacks and snake oil saleman alongside homeopathy and spirit surgeons at worst.

[@yippee8570]

This. There's nothing wrong with complementary medicine and taking a holistic approach needs to be done a lot more than it is, but complementary medicine is just that - complementary

[@joywebster2678]

Chiros in the old days just did adjustments, xrays, and advocated excercise and healthy living. Now they cost a fortune, and are as illustrated are into every wacky supplement going!

[@arespostale_art]

My chiropractor accepts insurance. My insurance covers 30 adjustments in a calendar year. It costs me $30 for the chiropractic adjustment + 1 hour massage at the chain I go to. Half the price of PT ($60 per session). I had to search far and wide and there was only 1 office in my entire town that accepted my insurance, and take this medical approach. They don’t sell any type of supplements or other “wack” stuff. In fact, they assured me it is against policy to do any of that. None of that doing chiropractic adjustments on newborn baby stuff either. My pain management doctor at a major hospital told me to try a chiropractor + massage and actually wrote the prior authorisation (?) for it. Perhaps that is an avenue worth checking if chiro is something your doctors are recommending for you.

[@paytonpryor]

All chiropractors are quacks. They always have been. I think you need to do some research into their history. And don't listen to the person who commented above me. They are obviously insane.

[@kevinbrown4358]

There may be a lot of quack chiropractors out there, but it was a chiropractor who identified me needing to see a foot health specialist just off of funny wearing on my shoes after several GPs couldnt figure out the reason for my back pain.

[@tinaperez7393]

In their defense, not ALL chiropractors are shady. 😂 But yeah, there are the ones that are quacks and unethical and untrustworthy like this guy. And that can be dangerous.😩

[@caliglid]

how can anyone whose entire livelihood relies on pseudoscience not be shady?

[@tinaperez7393]

@@caliglid yeah I don't know enough about it so I guess I wouldn't know. All I "know" is that there seems to be something to it and some chiropractors don't try to sell a ton of stuff other than their basic services. I guess I know a lot of people who like to go to the chiropractor and claim it's useful for them / they notice a difference. And I know some chiropractors outside of their work and they seem like reasonable intelligent people who genuinely want to help and believe in what chiropractic is for and does. But I've never been a customer so I don't know.

[@beth8775]

​@@caliglid Because they are not all like this. Bones being where they belong is not psuedoscience. Joints being misaligned causes pain. If there were really zero evidence to support it, insurance companies wouldn't cover it. Anthem BCBS covers it.

[@kidsis]

There’s clearly some benefits to some of the chiropractic methods as DO is a degree that exists (Doctor of Osteopathy; a medical doctor with chiropractic training basically). As a general rule, I tend to prefer a DO to an MD for a lot of general health stuff or broad category specialties just because they are more likely to look at everything to come up with a solution.

[@joanhoffman3702]

I was diagnosed with scoliosis at age 26…by a chiropractor. I still remember seeing my spinal curve on the X-ray. So all the doctors I had seen in my life before that missed it. 😠

[@FlyStikJR]

Ive watched enough two and a half men to know allen harper isnt a real doctor.

[@raynic1173]

Well, it wasn't the Chiros that recommended that cigarettes were good for you. MD's did thou 😂. Get your Lucky Strikes...

[@HelenCamile63]

Best practice: Find a D.O. - Doctor of Osteopathy. Fully trained medical doctor with additional training and interest in holistic medicine, including body mechanics. Best doc I’ve ever had.

[@joebrown3569]

Right but they can’t chiropractic

[@foolishlyfoolhardy6004]

Koala, koala, koala, koala

[@visitingfromsantafe1329]

I will never respect you if you don't respect chiropractors and their training. Why can't it be good enough for you to practice your school of medicine while they practice their school of medicine? As someone who has had ulcerative colitis, I am intimately familiar with both. That infusion you mention so casually made me deathly ill, so GI docs don't have all the answers, either. The best advice I received was to go gluten-free, and that did not come from the GI doc.

[@arespostale_art]

I hope you are feeling better. How difficult has going on gluten-free been for you? How long did it take for you to make the switch 100% and cut all the gluten out? I have bad GI issues, lots of inflammatory pain, and lots of allergy like symptoms (no allergy test yet). But I have been working so hard to increase my weight with my dietician and finally hit my target weight 120lbs after 6 years of trying to gain weight. It’s why I haven’t been able to try gluten free up until now, but if I get to a point where I can increase and maintain weight, it is something my PCP, dietician, pain management, etc… all think I may benefit from trying. But I think the idea scares me because I am afraid of weight loss and changes to my gut health and how that will affect my constipation. Im scared how a new diet could make things worse. How were you able to mentally say: “okay, I am going to make this big diet change.”? Thank you if you take the time to read this.

[@visitingfromsantafe1329]

@arespostale_art There are many gluten-free substitutes. I like bread and eventually found Canyon Bakehouse gluten-free bread which to me tastes the best. From there, it was a matter of reading labels. You would be surprised at the number of processed foods that have gluten added. It is fairly easy to at least lighten your gluten intake.

[@arespostale_art]

@@visitingfromsantafe1329 thank you for responding. yes, the fact so many things have gluten added is part of what scares me about potentially starting the diet! I give up on eating so easily, and have trouble maintaining weight. Especially if I were to eat out. I will definitely keep my mind and stomache open for it though, thank you!

[@user-um2uf9zq4c]

Because one is based on evidence and the other is not. There are actually an almost infinite number of non-evidence based care. Some people smoked and lived to 100, that does not mean that smoking is fine. Your anecdote is very anecdotal. Good for you, a single individual. Evidence based medicine is the only way you can even become close to usually truthful. If something works 99% then it still fails once every hundred times. Placebo works about 5-15% of the time. Something has to be BETTER than placebo to be real. Your personal story is very likely part of that 5-15%.

[@bradenburzynski]

Chiropractors are great

[@romainsavioz5466]

😂

[@tsukikage]

If you have pain, see a masseuse, PT, pain specialist, or multiple of the above.

[@raynic1173]

I could make the same basic video mocking MDs. Chiros definitely have a place in our health care world.

[@tsukikage]

If you have pain, see a masseuse, PT, pain specialist, or multiple of the above.

[@raynic1173]

@@tsukikage they ALL have their contributions to healthcare...not acknowledging that, well just shows bias and ignorance...

[@BeatlesCentricUniverse]

Well, you could "make the same video mocking MDs," but that would only prove how incredibly clueless, ignorant and stoopid you are lol.

[@user-um2uf9zq4c]

@@raynic1173 Non evidence-based medicine has no place n healthcare at all.

[@angb6616]

@tsukikage As a massage therapist, please don’t see me if you have sudden onset pain, or if you wake up aching all over for “no reason”. I’m not a doctor and cannot fix you. I may be trained in various skills and stretching, but I am not a PT. If you have sore muscles from working out, physical activities or not being active enough (desk job or sedentary), I can probably help. If you have poor posture, I can give you pointers. All else, pretty much, see a freaking doctor or PT, and do what they say if it makes sense or get a second opinion if it doesn’t. Don’t rely on anecdotal evidence from your friends, or their friends’ cousin. Try to trust people who went to school and completed training for multiple years in the field in which they practice. In other words, don’t see a cardiac dr for knee pain, don’t see a lung Dr for eye pain, don’t see a chiro for anything outside of treating musculoskeletal misalignment that gets diagnosed by a medical Dr that advises that chiro may help. Otherwise, you could really end up a lot worse off.