When Protestants Argue like Atheists w/Trent Horn

Catholic Answers apologist Trent Horn joins Keith to discuss his new book, "When Protestants Argue Like Atheists"
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[@SuperIliad]

As Catholics stood in a Boston rain praying and facing down Satanists, where were the Protestants? Across the street shouting down the Catholics, not the Satanists.

[@mking7690]

Protestants don't care about others. They only think for themselves. They only want salvation for themselves but not to others.

[@dvdortiz9031]

"Satan is not divided. A divided kingdom can not stand"!!!that's why you dod not see any protestants

[@jonkelley7713]

You both rock!!! This former Baptist then evangelical but aching for truths found finally the Catholic faith! Came into the RCC at 2021 Easter Vigil.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

Welcome home!

[@VME28]

Welcome brother!❤🙏

[@simretogbamichael5672]

Welcome home

[@dianemarie8873]

Trent has class when he debates.🙂

[@KeithNester]

He is the best!

[@emoore1439]

He and Joe Heschmeyer are both awesome

[@vanzealotbush2244]

The title is so interesting. As a former protestant/pentecostal, I could relate to this. Thanks Keith for collaborating with Trent. You two are awesome. The Catholic Church needs people like you to preach not just the good news but the truth that will set all people free. God bless!

[@Alexander-fr1kk]

God bless these two men!!!

[@KeithNester]

God bless you as well.

[@KSTrekker]

This is sooooo true! I find myself arguing with my former Protestants on many Catholic KZbin channels. Most of the arguments are just mean spirited and what I would call trolls. They have no regard for the truth and they are not willing to listen to logic and reason.

[@dvdortiz9031]

Protestantism is led by an evil spirit

[@y.f5965]

That’s so beautiful to see you both, you are a gift to our church, God bless you and bless your family guys❤❤❤❤❤

[@BiblebeltCatholic]

Keith thank you for doing what you do! Our stories are very similar. I was raised Methodist in the heart of the south, I think we came into the Church around the same time. At the time I didn’t know you. But you have definitely helped me in my walk.

[@KeithNester]

Thank you Chuck. God bless!

[@kathywiens9852]

I just found Keith and look forward to hearing more. 🙏💝

[@ColetteO_]

So happy you've found Keith! 😊 Please join us live at 6pm eastern time every weekday to pray the rosary together here on KZbin with Keith. 💟✝️💟😀

[@St_Pablo298]

My unfortunate experience with protestantism, particularly evangelicalism is that they aren’t interested in debate or discussion.. rather they want to pummel me with accusations.

[@billymimnaugh3998]

Catholics can’t debate .They use tradition over scripture .

[@johnflorio3576]

They are the offspring of Luther.

[@aclaylambisabirdman6324]

Looking forward to watching this one; always a treat to hear from you both! God be with you both always :)

[@KeithNester]

Thank you so much!

[@bill7778]

I heard a protestant pastor decrying the apocrypha as made up. One of his examples was when Tobit had his sight restored. I was watching a historical show and to my surprise it was talking about how in ancient times, fish oil was used to remove cataracts.

[@dvdortiz9031]

Protestants call apocryphal the wrong books, known in the Catholic Church as deuterocanonicals!!! 7 books the jews rejected in 90AD!!!! 60 years after the Church was founded by the Lord Jesus Christ. The apocryphal are books the Church determined not inspired by God: gospel of judas and Peter, apocalypse of James, etc. All protestants sided with the jews who mistakenly killed the Messiah!!! The Church has nothing to do with the synagogue!!!!

[@cjr4497]

I don't know how these guys don't have more subscribers. They are of in credible value to the community.

[@brianfarley926]

YT Algorithm I’m sure plays a part in it. And we live in a very godless society now. There was some of that pre social media but in the last 10 years seems to me have really taken off

[@ragnardanneskajold1880]

Well done Keith! Thank you Trent Horn for saying what I have always thought about protestant arguments- they just do not have a deep philosophical underpinning and in order to compensate for that lack of depth, richness, and mystical supernatural reality they are forced to become stubbornly Sola Scriptura.

[@Angela-vy5ok]

M’y reasonable défense is that the Catholic Church didn’t have thousands of denominations, who don’t agree with each other. We are not led by fad ministers who say they can’t fill you with the joy of the Holy Spirit if they look at you. ( A service I went to in a church) what happens when the visiting minister leaves? I guess no more laughing in the aisles? I am not a fan of gimmicks

[@ge7454]

Keith, I enjoy your content very much. You are very inspiring and I always find hope when I listen to you. Also, I love Trent! I hope you two collaborate more in the near future.

[@KeithNester]

Thank you so much. This is Trent's 3rd appearance on my channel. I am very honored.

[@CHSCRTE]

The most common attacks on the Catholic Church everywhere are about the Pope, the Eucharist and the Confessions of sins to priests. All of these point to Jesus' own ministry, body and action.

[@CHSCRTE]

You posed great questions n concrete perspective of spiritual growth n journey in our faith as a Church. 🕊️💛✝️✝️✝️

[@dianemarie8873]

At work.. I'll have to hop off, and back on again when I get to my desk. 🙂

[@KeithNester]

We will be here when you get back :)

[@mrsronireyes8416]

God bless you brothers

[@KeithNester]

Thank you! And for the super chat as well.

[@ColetteO_]

So bummed I missed being here for this when it went live. Would love to have jumped in on the chat to say a few things. @Keith Nester so happy about your channel growing these last two weeks more than ever. I think a switch has flipped inside you since you saw Nefarious and people are really connecting with that extra bit of boldness. 👍🏻💥💯✝️👍🏻🙂 Great video. Thanks.

[@thewhiteeyeinsider]

Woaahhhh..huge respet from the Philippines God Bless to the Both of you Brothers❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏

[@IM-tl7qv]

What Trent said about protestants being offended at being compared to atheists in their reasoning, it reminds me of one time in a debate with Protestant Steve Oakes, I made a point (politely) that one of his arguments against the Deuterocanon was very similar to a particular argument from silence given by a Jesus mythicist and he got very offended and demanded an apology. Thankfully after I explained that I used that comparison I order to show the clear flaw in his reasoning and I used that example specifically because he find that position untenable, he wasn't offended.

[@KevinKeenan-ep3sp]

At first the title didn’t jump out to me because we are all Christians and should pray for one another. However, as the video continued, I understand the title. When we make rash arguments in regards to our unbelief in the faith, we are denying God in the same way that Athiests do. Thank you Keith for putting this out. I hope and pray all Christians can open their hearts to the word of God 🙏🏻

[@jollyabraham1830]

What a brilliant content! A million thanks to both of you. All glory to God. Hallelujah and praise the Lord.

[@ElizabethSampson]

Great dialogue gentlemen!

[@catkat740]

5:42 Lol! Those things killed me! I never could see the horse! Not in the analogy, in real life.

[@dvdortiz9031]

Council of Trent!!!

[@user-qh4te1xz5r]

My support for Maccabee is where did the Jewish celebration of Hanika

[@RockinRobin2]

Never thought of that before! Good point!

[@KeithNester]

Thanks! :)

[@graceannsumayo1542]

Keep sharing please..God bless you both🙏

[@johnchung6777]

Both of you men are clothed with the faith of Jesus Christ and filled with the zeal of God’s wisdom and knowledge of his TRUTH YEAH AMEN DEO GRATIS 🐑🕊️✨🌈

[@jakubratajczak9269]

Jehova's WItness knock on my door yesterday. I've been polite and after they started talking about Jesus Christ, I asked them about their faith. When I've found who they are, I politely refused an offer to discuss further and told them I'm catholic and firmed in my faith. What I believe is, the Bible is a difficult book, not for personal intepretation - and I've been a protestant for two years after my conversion. That is why we need the Magisterium, cause it's members have been gathering, studying, intepreting, teaching and even compiled the known canon, for over 2000 years now. How can I claim to know better? Heck, even the devil knows the Scriptures, which I've experienced first hand. So my question is - did I make mistake by refusing their offer of discussing the Scriptures? Should we use the Bible to fight against one another? Is the Gospel message just that? No, and we all know that. The Word of God is a sword, but it's not for us to duel with each other, but to fight the devil lies.

[@bill7778]

In my humble opinion, I believe you did the right thing. Perhaps you could have quickly explained the faith as it pertains to your conversion, but jw's use so many circular arguments....

[@jendoe9436]

If you do not feel confident or comfortable discussing your faith like that, then that's that. Some are called to give strong and open defenses, others are called to be silent witnesses and pray. For some conversations I've had with non-Catholics, there would be topics I know pretty well and can come up with a solid defense. Other parts are not my forte so rather than risk saying something wrong or even heretical, I humbly admit "I don't know. Let me look into it." For some people, this can actually catch them off guard as admitting one's weakness isn't seen often and they respect the fact you will research what you don't know. Others, of course, will use that opportunity to attack since not knowing something = then it must be wrong and you're wrong on everything else (somehow). It just depends on the situation. Friends and fellow truth seekers would have just let it go and given you time. But groups like JW and Mormons pounce on that confusion and will manipulate you before you even figure out what's going on. Speaking from experience in college when some Mormons invited me to hang out and used talking points to poke holes in some areas where my faith was weak. Lovely people and excellent basketball companions, but the missionaries are well trained to spot weaknesses in some people. Follow your conscious, study up what you don't know, and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit in your life.

[@bigdog1106]

The stone the builders rejected became the corner stone. The corner stone of what?

[@KeithNester]

This is the reading for the upcoming 5th Sunday in Easter.

[@bigdog1106]

The Corner stone of His Church. Hence, there is no equal, no substitute, no replacement leading to no hope of salvation outside of his church. Save one exception... innocent ignorance will save many. But Willful ignorance saves no one.

[@emoore1439]

Trent Horn is a gem

[@kerinskuriosities]

Hi Keith, can you help me with something? I'm a protestant who has been drawn to Catholicism, long story, I'm not there yet but I've been giving the Rosary a go... where I'm having trouble is the last two mysteries of the Assumption and the Coronation of Mary. My struggle isn't that I don't believe it, it's not even that I can't find it in the Bible, but rather I can't find the story of the Assumption or Corination anywhere. I've spent ages googling for source material for these two things and all I can find are articles about the beliefs but not the source material for them. Where can I find the actual story of either event? Because how is one meant to meditate on such an important event if there doesn't seem to be a story about the event? Am I just really bad at googling things?

[@tommytanumihardja9415]

Dear brother, you can look to the Cathecism of The Catholic Church for initial source or refference

[@KeithNester]

Revelation 12 is key!

[@kerinskuriosities]

@@tommytanumihardja9415 Thanks, I'll look into it!

[@kerinskuriosities]

@Keith Nester Wow, thanks for writing back Keith, I'll have a read :)

[@PatrickInCayman]

Don't know how much you have read about the early Christians. St ignatius , Polycarp, st Irenaeus etc... that pretty much made Catholitism undeniable for me. Also John Henry Newman

[@Sarah-fe1hh]

Lord bless you gentleman 🙏

[@johnchung6777]

Now what I want to know is that is there anything in the New Testament or Old Testament revealing that there will be a reforming of the church that Jesus Christ started upon the Apostles and their Successor’s on Pentecost,if there is could you please show me the passage in the scriptures thank you 🙏

[@Alexander-fr1kk]

Did Cameron Bertuzzi come into the Church at Easter?

[@KeithNester]

He tweeted that he wasn't going to say... he wants to keep what he does private.

[@Alexander-fr1kk]

@@KeithNester that is understandable.

[@albertaowusu1790]

He probably needs more time and that is understandable.

[@dianemarie8873]

Interesting... 😁

[@ucheodozor4147]

Protestant: "Where's 'rosary' in the Bible?" Jesus: "I'll ask you just one question. Answer it and I'll answer yours: The words 'Trinity' 'Bible' and 'Protestant'; are they in the Bible, or are they simply much later human inventions? Protestant: "I do not know!" Jesus: "And neither will I tell you if 'rosary' is in the Bible." 😎🤓🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️

[@antoroc1]

the Trinity is implicit not explicit...it is clear Jesus is the Creator, eternal, the Logos become flesh...the Holy Spirit is present with God the Father and the Son...the Trinity is implied... In the book of Isaiah it is clear God is the Creator and there is none beside Him...The Trinity is the essence of God...inscrutable to human understanding... the rosary is an import from Buddhism and Hinduism including Islam...NOT biblical at all...Jesus warn about praying vain repetitions...

[@ucheodozor4147]

@@antoroc1 What do you know about the rosary? How much of the Bible do you really know? Perhaps we should start from there. Don't worry about citing all the usual anti-Catholic hate sources. I've seen them many times before, and they are all propaganda materials full of ignorance and deliberate distortions of history and scripture.

[@antoroc1]

How does the Catholic Church determine what is doctrinal truth? what is its authority? the Popes? the Church fathers? tradition? Were all the Popes infallible? 33:45

[@PatrickInCayman]

Compared to YOUR infallible interpretation of the Bible?

[@antoroc1]

@@PatrickInCayman i never claimed infallibility...that's stupid

[@antoroc1]

@@PatrickInCayman the Bible is either truth or not ...if not, even your ex tra-biblical Catholic doctrines can not stand

[@PatrickInCayman]

@Antonio the bible is a Catholic book. Fyi

[@antoroc1]

@@PatrickInCayman NO...that's not true...not exclusively....half if Jewish and the other half is Christian...together they are the Holy Scriptures....

[@TripleR-kb6uc]

Nice Lightning bolt symbolism in the intro LOL “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Luke 10:18 Also that crescent moon symbolism just like the muslims.

[@theresaboldt5797]

They didn't celebrate UTIL they realized they couldd get presents.

[@jakubratajczak9269]

I would like to point out one thing - Mary is the Queen of Heaven AND Earth.

[@dvdortiz9031]

Psalm 45

[@jacobmayberry1126]

Christian critics often do the same thing with my LDS faith as well.

[@dvdortiz9031]

Lds is not a Christian church but a masonic logia

[@spinninginspace]

12:21 realizing this protestant move has cracked the code for me in apologetics, you start spotting it Bring back our Jesus-loving brothers 🏠💒 Hebrews 6:1

[@unclecorilla]

Trent is the best

[@coffeeanddavid]

Hey Keith, Did my question get removed? I said I'd share it in the comments and it appears (on my end) to no longer be here.

[@KeithNester]

I see it. It didn't get removed. Responded above.

[@ronldg805]

"When Protestants Behave like Rebellious Know-it-all teenagers"

[@DavidJr.11]

🙏👍 God Bless

[@lukebrown5395]

At this point I don’t know if I should engage them or just live my life for Christ without worrying about whether I’m a Christian or not?

[@metabolism4738]

I no longer worry about them. My wife is one. After listening and having some serious arguments, I realized it was not worth it. You just get angry for some folks who claim to be SUPERIOR

[@jimfoard5671]

I found Catholic Answers a little weak defending the faith against certain popular philosophies regarding man's origin that contradict both divine revelation and the Church Fathers. In some instances he seems to have compromised with secularists who have no love for Christ or His Church. At the end of 1 Timothy 6 Paul warns Timothy against worldly philosophies, "knowledge falsely so-called" that might beguile unwary souls away from the faith: "'O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid irreverent, empty chatter and the opposing arguments of so-called “knowledge,'"Douay-Rheims. Again in Colossians 2:8 we are warned "Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ:" Douay-Rheims. Is Mr. Horn familiar with the Kolbe Center For The Study of Creation? They have many excellent scientific papers online on the origin debate. It's worth a look.

[@annb9029]

Melissa Dougherty (Q&A! God's Judgment is Love? Catholicism? God Creates Sinners? |Part 6) just bashed Catholics in her new Video I’m sad because I liked her

[@Re-cycles408]

I have only studied the bible and practiced my faith with my great grandmother and then by myself, i have been to a few different churches when asked by friends to come worship with them , i try to be considerate of others religious beliefs regardless of denomination or sect , i have often contemplated how everyone can worship the same God, yet be so divided and at one another to the point of acursing one another to , hades , sheol or hell , i have studied religions in the past to try and get a better understanding of the different beliefs, i just follow Jesus Christ, and jesus forbids sectarianism, so what gives people?

[@savedbygrace8337]

When JESUS returns HE will judge you not on your loyalty to mary or the mass or The pope,but on your loyalty to HIM ! John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

[@orkhaa-rh4dd]

and just how do "atheists argue"?

[@brianfarley926]

Generally stupidly

[@EpoRose1]

@@brianfarley926 😂

[@davidmccarroll8274]

Just for the record I would say that most people who are what you call protestants so not relate to this terminology .Why ? Most think of themselves as Christians or relate to whichever church they go to IE Anglican or Methodist or evangelical or whichever it is .please be careful of making generic comments about such a broad number of churches .Thanks and god bless !!!

[@user-hi2ot1ex3r]

My brother in humanity, I am sending you this message... God is waiting for you to follow the path of guidance and He loves goodness for you... What do you think about sailing on a journey of searching for God, the Great Creator who created this beautiful universe... If you want to know God, read about the Islamic religion God commanded us to follow him

[@theoldguy1956]

I love to debate send them my way.

[@johnchung6777]

Jesus Christ said I and the Father ARE ONE that clearly reveals that he is God ALSO YEEEAAAHHH!!!+++ WoooHooWee this is THE INFINITE AND ETERNAL TRUTH ☝️

[@Aarongorn]

Keith, I’m going to need you to cease and desist from having guests on who have authored books that sound too fascinating NOT to purchase. I’m not made out of money, man!

[@catkat740]

Or….. have a nice promo code hidden somewhere in the interviews for us fans 🤓🤓

[@crisclaudiomolina7850]

kuya Keith nester Cris 👼😇🙏❤️😀 happy good morning Thursday God bless thank you prayer intention family 🙏🙏🙏 prayer warriors heart love ❤️❤️❤️ Mr Cris Claudio Gomez Molina bicol Naga city Philippines filipino 🇵🇭🇵🇭 god bless you mama mary loves ave Maria Jesus what is marian devotion what is religious articles what is the rosary what is the holy water lollipop tysm confirmation first communion i ask what is the holy rosary consecration to the blessed virgin mary saint Joseph pray for us amen kuya Keith nester Cris book

[@coffeeanddavid]

Hey Keith, perhaps my question didn't actually post? I said that I always enjoy chatting with you (you're one of the more charitable dudes out there). My question, based off how the chat went was basically this: To show how Prots argue like atheists, an example was given. They may say, "That's not in the Bible, so it shouldn't be taught." Following this was a criticism of Sola Script. I said in the chat, "Sola Script doesn't claim to be in the Bible." You said that was the issue with it. Isn't that the same thing Prots are saying? In that case, you seem to be taking the same position Prots do when they say, "It should be in the Bible." How is that not "when Catholics argue like atheists?" What's the difference? Respectfully, what am I missing?

[@KeithNester]

Hey dude, thanks for the kind words. The issue is that Catholics are often accused by protestants as holding to doctrines that aren't found in scripture. What Catholics object to, is that this is hypocritical because one of the foundational doctrines of protestantism (Sola Scriptura) is not found in the scripture. It's a double standard. That's what we were getting at. Does that help?

[@coffeeanddavid]

@@KeithNester Gotcha. I wasn't piecing that together. I would agree with that, it's totally a double standard. Perhaps my confusion is sourced in how I understand Sola Script (from the writings of Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz opposed to the modern mishmash of contemporary Evangelical/Fundamentalist Protestantism). While a challenge for Catholics, I think it'd better serve the criticism if they are specific with the type of Sola Script they are refuting. When it's so general, I fear very little fruit can be produced (for both sides). Thanks for the reply!

[@eleonoremarymadone9859]

What they were saying was: If the standard that you use to dismiss something, when applied to yourself, would dismiss your own position also, you should rethink it. Protestants use the following standard to dismiss Catholics: " If it's not in the Bible it's not true" That's not a Catholic belief, it is a Protestant belief. When Catholics say "Where is Sola Scriptura in the Bible ?" They're giving Protestants a taste of their own medicine. They're not adhering to or accepting it as a criterion. I was talking to someone the other day and they kept coming at me with that "The Pope is not in the Bible " stuff so I said " Where are cars in the Bible? and helicopters, cellphones, and the internet? Yet here you are embracing it all and seeing the good in it. I was just showing them how ridiculous it sounded to me. Oops : didn't see the answers!

[@coffeeanddavid]

@@eleonoremarymadone9859 Thanks for the reply! Part of the confusion, I think, is rooted in that the example you've given ISN'T actually Sola Script. I'm not saying Prots don't do what you've described - because they definitely do - but they aren't practicing Sola Script, and inevitably Catholics aren't arguing/refuting/responding against it. As I mentioned to Keith, I understand the challenge that exists for Catholics here, but they need to clarify what they're arguing against. They need to be specific. That can produce more fruit :)

[@KeithNester]

@@coffeeanddavid no worries friend

[@sonnybie6194]

34:22 mins well spent listening

[@jperez7893]

i was watching a random feed earlier. i like the zeal of the protestant guy. he was sincere but sincerely wrong. the factual errors in the first 5minutes were so numerous i lost count. it was breathtaking. the most hilarious thing is that he believes only the kjv was true. smh lmao

[@leopacani6375]

At 30:40 Trent Brings up slavery in the Bible as a way do defend the Catholic position of; you can not be saved outside of the Church. A christian (including Catholics) can defend the arguments against slavery in the Bible by going to the Bible. Ephesians 6:5-9 or Galatians 3:26-29 which makes it clear enough that we are all equal in Christ, of course people have the privilege to reject scripture if they wish. However, you can not defend the catholic position of "you can not be saved outside of the church" by going to the Bible. You would have to have an other gospel to the one we have to justify that position or play some amazing mental gymnastics, hence the reason comparing these two positions is so poor. God Bless

[@petardraganov3716]

That wasn't Trent's point tho. He just said that apparent contradictions like this can't be answered in 60 seconds in the middle of a cross examination in a debate.

[@leopacani6375]

@@petardraganov3716 That is exactly his point though. Trent is responding to Gavin's statement that "the catholic church contradicted itself by changing its position on who can be saved outside of the church" His response" "I would say to Gavin an atheist would say to you that you say now slavery is evil but christianity allows and regulates slavery......... Talk about talking like an atheist or a muslim, that's what his response is like. I'll say it again, we can go to the Bible to defend the position on slavery and prove that it wasn't in God's will but we can not go to the Bible to prove the Catholic doctrine "you can not be saved outside of the church" that was the churche's will. you have missed the point but that is to be expected when you have something to defend at all costs.

[@Kefa...]

Gavin Ortlund is gay?

[@Kefa...]

*!

[@IM-tl7qv]

It's a sin to attribute sin to someone if it isn't certain, that's what slander is, so I'd suggest please delete your comment and ask forgiveness at either mass or at confession.

[@Kefa...]

@@IM-tl7qv , floppy wristed and smirky, mayyybe? I meant 90's gay(lame). Be cool.

[@KeithNester]

No. Who said that?

[@albertaowusu1790]

The answer to that is no.

[@noznip2008]

Your channel is so intellectually ‘delicious’ man

[@Justas399]

Sola Scriptura=the Scriptures alone are the inspired-inerrant Word of God and therefore the ultimate authority for the Christian and the Christian church. The rejection of Sola Scriptura results in accepting false doctrines.

[@johnflorio3576]

That’s a 500 year old made up tradition of men.

[@justforrfunnn]

Except the scriptures did come from tradition ☺️

[@jackieo8693]

You think protestants are bad... Try holding a rational conversation with a sede vacantist

[@brianfarley926]

Not bad they lack nuance when talking to Catholics but get all nuanced themselves when explaining Christianity to Atheists

[@bigdog1106]

Matt 7:21-23 Jesus talks about people who identify as Christian but He doesn't agree with them.

[@bigdog1106]

Because they do not belong to His Church but some one else's.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Catholics argue like Mormons!

[@uncatila]

Lot of protestants just like evil

[@philoalethia]

If your accusation is that members of other religions are critical looking outward but not critical of their own positions, then you are really being hypocritical here, for Roman apologists are just as guilty of this hypocrisy as others. Hopefully the irony is not lost here. If this is the new Roman apologist tactic, though, I will remember to wield it next time I cross a Roman apologist.

[@timothydoult6025]

so as i listen to this retoric... they do compare the protestants are the same pointless video

[@1John3.8]

Brother, you can step around it all you want, you teach doctrine not taught by Christ Jesus. In one argument you've made, you said the Bible doesn't say you can't pray to Mary. The thing is, it tells you exactly how to pray and who to pray to. Mary is a saint I could only ever imagine being as faithful and venerable as, but she is not how we communicate with God. There's one path and it's to the Father, through the Son. 😊 Another thing, arguably the most important, is that you, like the pharisees, deny Christ. If you accepted his work on the cross you'd acknowledge that he is our Lord and Savior. We are sinners no matter what we do, and to believe any amount of works have any relation to salvation is an outright denial of His willing sacrifice for us. His work on the cross completed the laws. Works of any kind are a result of living through faith in Him and by honoring his will. Salvation does not come from works, but we very well understand faith without works is dead. It's a natural consequence of obedience to God. You're selecting your own doctrine based on pride of the church in name only. You can bag on believers of the true faith in Christ but it makes you either ignorant of His word, or a maliciously false teacher. I pray you and everyone who are filled with pride in this non-Christian religion will allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to what is true and not simply what you wish to be true. You're leading countless people to hell and I pray in Jesus' name you repent.

[@tommytanumihardja9415]

How can you find the doctrune which is taught by Jeaus Christ, my brother,?

[@wolfwatchers]

they know nothing of the holy spirit because most of them are not saved , they are as lost as a Muslim jihadist! they are not brothers and sisters in christ they are lost like a Hindu priest!

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

Not because they are not catholics doesn't mean they're atheist or protestant.

[@davidhostetter5138]

U have removed the 1 nd commandment ! U can’t get around that & u split one into 2 to still have 10 !!! What do u have to say ? The Bible has a pentelity for thaa

[@KeithNester]

Please show me the Bible verse that lists them with numbers.

[@brianfarley926]

The commandments were listed in 2 different places in the OT. And if one wanted to count each one there’d be like 14 of them, not 10 lol. So out of TRADITION in the Jewish faith they grouped them into a total of 10 commandments going back to Moses just as the Catholics did and then the Protestants with some differences to how they decided to group them. It’s a bit nuanced I suggest you take your blinders off and look into it

[@AndrewKendall71]

Wherever anyone of faith forms arguments like worldly pagans, it would be charitable and pastoral to recognize that they've not been prepared to reason Christianly about matters of salvation, the nature of God, etc. I mean, it's frustrating, but again, who are the "adults" in the room? You two are lead servants of Christ. Put on the towel and wash some feet. Lead people to the Lord, don't treat people who desire to follow the Lord with their lives like they're enemies of the faith. Scripture provides clear instruction about HOW to approach correction of members of the body.

[@wolfwatchers]

they don't follow scripture, or they would renounce their heresies and come to the truth, this is the issue, they flat out reject certain scriptures, that refute their trash doctrines.

[@AndrewKendall71]

@@wolfwatchers Speaking of charitable... that's a little bit not. But I'm with you. I'd love if folks were charitable, wise, biblically corrected and corrective, and were willing to see the history of what they're holding to, because it would tend to have an effect on some doctrines... including of other denominations. But that's generally another matter.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

Well Keith you frequently attack Protestantism which is fine but are you now saying that Protestants are not supposed to respond to your attacks on your channel? Maybe I misunderstood you but you seemed to be saying that. I can’t tell you how many times Roman Catholics have told me “No that is not what it means!” when obviously it does. So Roman Catholics do the exact same thing. I am sorry but I just don’t buy Horn’s assertion that he wasn’t trying to be controversial or offensive with his book title. Classic Protestantism has never taught that all you need is the Bible and you don’t need the Church. Surely Horn knows that so he is being disingenuous. Protestantism is not bringing anything new to the table. That was the whole point of the Reformation namely to reclaim the ancient church not the church of the Middle Ages with all of its innovations. Lecturing Protestants on the 66 books of the canon is rich coming from a tradition that didn’t firm up its canon until the 16th century which included inserting books long held to be non-canonical for no other reason than to respond to the criticism of the Reformers. Sorry Keith but you were raised in Evangelicalism not classical Protestantism.

[@albertaowusu1790]

They are all the same.

[@KeithNester]

Hey Paul, I know you have an idea of what "classical protestantism" is. I don't even really know what that means. Is there an official statement declaring it from some authority which speaks for all protestants? I assume you mean something closer to Luther/Calvin etc, but I don't know for sure. The difference between this and Catholicism is there is a magestarium that speaks authoritatively for Catholicism, but there isn't one that can define protestantism (or "classical protestantism"). I think that would help me understand what you mean a little better. Thanks!

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@KeithNester How your “infallible magisterium” has anything to do with how to properly define the term Classical Protestant escapes me. Are you saying that any assertion I make about anything requires an infallible authority including the definition of classical Protestantism? Who gets to decide what that infallible authority is? You? If an infallible authority is required for everything, then scientific enquiry would be dead in the water, we would still think the earth is flat (because it was infallibly declared to be so) and we would still be living in the Stone Age. Sorry friend but classical Protestantism can be defined without the need for an infallible authority. You are playing the red herring game here. Classical Protestantism refers to those Christians who are historically connected to the Christian Reform movement of the 16th century (sometimes called the Protestant Reformation) in that they can trace the origins of their particular tradition to that 16th century period and a central part of their identity is the Reformation. Classical Protestantism has a high view of ecclesiology, the church fathers, the early ecumenical counsels, liturgy and the ecumenical creeds. Evangelicals refers to those Christians who are associated closely with the 19th century renewal movement which places a heavy emphasis on revivalism, pietism, moralism and the centrality of the Gospel message. Evangelical Christians typically do not place a lot of importance on church history, ecclesiology, liturgy, the ecumenical creeds, the church fathers, etc.

[@kevinmc62]

@@paulsmallwood1484 classical Protestantism? More like impressionist Protestantism turned Baroque Protestantism. Every Protestant believing what’s impressed on each individual is a baroque system.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@kevinmc62 Please keep making non sensical statements like this. You prove my point.

[@trevconn123]

When Christ is talking about the Church, he is referring to the Spiritual Church/Spiritual Israel of Believers, not a denomimation of Believers. Catholic's "We're the true Church", mindset reminds me exactly of the old jewish mindset "We are the true people of God", an attitude which Jesus came to OVERCOME. It is WILD to me that Catholics don't understand the connections of Freemasonry to their church. Who do you think build the Cathedrals? Why do universities look so similar? How many Catholics are familiar with the obvious Satanic symbolism in the Roman Catholic church? Look at the SNAKE of Paul VI audience hall. How can the Pope sit in that chair and claim to be repentent of his sins? Yeah right... Teaches people that SIN is ANYONE other than CHRIST'S to forgive. And to seriously believe that ANYONE is a saint in the eyes of God is blasphemy. Isaiah 64:6.... Your best saints may have sinned less, but Christ didn't die so you can take the credit of any goodness that we do through Him. The minute I believe I am a saint, is the minute my heart allows me to believe I'm not a sinner. The catholic church was NOT started by Peter, it was started by Constantine. The Magisterium is nothing other than Roman politics or the "oral tradition" which oddly resembles the Rabbis "oral tradition". Telling people they have to be baptised of the "true church" is no different than telling people they have to be Jewish to be a part or the "true Israel". Absolute heresy.

[@jeazurlantes]

"The catholic church was NOT started by Peter, It was started by Constantine." Please read the history. Stop making stories. SHOW PROOF.

[@trevconn123]

@@jeazurlantes no it was not started by Peter. Wanna know why? The Eastern Orthodox Church says the same very thing... "GoD loVes uS moRr cuZ weRe the tRue chUrch" WRONG. Do YOUR research before spreading LIES propogsted from the Devil. The CATHOLICS were MOST CERTAINLY started by Constantine. Peter wasn't Roman, Constantine was. Your church just uses Peters name and his upside down cross to justify the VERY EXPLICIT and OBVIOUS satanic symbology.

[@trevconn123]

If you read your Bible for yourself, you would see that REVELATION is VERY clear about the churches in the last days.

[@trevconn123]

@@jeazurlantes Prove me wrong? WITHOUT using a Catholic Source.

[@jeazurlantes]

Where is your PROOF that Constantine started the Catholic Church? Give me a Non-Religious Source.