When Should You Begin Using Mods?

[@nexovec]

those stares from non-osu players when you explain that EASY is the hardest mod

[@andrewliu6592]

only on dense maps though

[@Orekiri]

Good for maps with alot of jumps and bad for tigtly packed maps

[@osuplaeyurreallygood]

@@Orekiri not bad, just much harder to read

[@buniogmes1932]

easy+jumps=impossible to read

[@Defywastaken]

"NC, for cultured people" My favorite line from this video

[@absurddive]

FrenZ's a man of *C U L T U R E* indeed NC is love

[@someasiankid6323]

yes

[@DJruslan4ic]

So i'm man of the culture, huh?

[@n7ght214]

waht´s the difference between DT and NC? Does NC give you more pp?

[@ecifircas0]

@@n7ght214 DT and NC are the same pp wise. NC raises the pitch of the song and adds a drum beat in the background while speeding the song up x1.5. DT only speeds the song up x1.5. (it should be noted that NC was intended as an april fools joke)

[@mercamia]

Me: *Instantly use HDDTHR on first week playing*

[@kabliss4111]

I did it on my 2nd month playing

[@taylorandersen7216]

merc god

[@fang5312]

Same, on the low star rating

[@arnav3211]

on a 0* lmao

[@kabliss4111]

Nah, on 1.2* maps lol

[@Triggs3061]

Frenz: “You should start learning DT at around 1.5kpp” me at 2.5kpp still havent learn how to use DT: *but-*

[@Azekyiel]

Triggs it’s okay, same here but at 2.1k pp 😭

[@bananya6020]

4.8k pp and i have no clue how to play dt or hd. i can play hr, ez, and fl though edit: 5.2kpp and nomod farm got me here. i haven't even improved in skill for over a year and a half but the maps got farmier

[@1000theoMIV]

5.3k pp here. Can only play nomod, cant read ar10 and above, accelerating a song mess up my rhythm and i can't aim farm maps with hidden. I'm a lost cause.

[@boomshakala4228]

7.4k pp, still can't play dt

[@freshpotato2019]

Hey can you tell me whats pp because I'm still new its my first day playing :3

[@HowMethods]

Didn’t even mention how spun out can literally mess up spinners because of how slow it is.

[@entecor3892]

That's all cool and all but how do you feel about KFC tho?

[@May-zg8fs]

KFC??

[@hectorperez1567]

Never tried that mod

[@solomander5280]

Their chicken is pretty good

[@FrenZ396]

I think it's pretty good

[@mirabeta7215]

@@FrenZ396 *has chicken pfp*

[@VLU71]

As long as you play no mod and learning the game and from time to time uses mods, I don't see a problem with learning it early or to late. Also don't use mods fully when your just starting out

[@stimexcho]

ever since I started playing I've only played HR so lower AR maps are harder

[@VLU71]

@@stimexcho try to learn playing without hr, I did that to for a while but recently played more no mod maps etc and seen more improvements on low ar + high ar

[@vys8952]

@@VLU71 idk about that tbh. I've started playing hr since I've played 5 star maps. It's been a while. Currently I play HD hr but every time I switch to nomod it feels like I'm getting an epileptic seizure.

[@VLU71]

@@vys8952 that's because your not so used to no mod, I felt that to when I played hdhr back in early 6 digit zone

[@thenam1sout247]

when i've only played for like 3 months or so, i started using HD and now it's like no mod to me

[@rgelz6835]

im stuck on hidden forever now

[@ekmb2056]

Me when it took me 3 months to find the mods option

[@pedrogarabito8664]

Same

[@tanktahu]

Bruh

[@ekmb2056]

@@tanktahu I was always slow

[@tanktahu]

@@ekmb2056 tbh i didnt notice it until i changed the skin so i found mods in week 2 of playing osu!

[@ekmb2056]

@@tanktahu didn't change my skin till 6-7 months

[@yharim____]

While he was saying that it takes time to learn hardrock, I was picking up hdhr for fun one day and setting 4 new top plays the next. We are not the same.

[@-aku2805]

I don't understand why you placed HT in the "useless" category. I find it fun to play and it helps me enjoy maps that otherwise are way too hard for me. I've also gotten PP with it once.

[@salat_32]

Well, there is no such a thing like too late to learn. I started playing dt after i was 7k. This boosted me to 8k in like a week or two. Before this, i couldnt read anything above ar10 and my aim wasnt fast. I think, every player can easily start learning mod whenever they think they are ready. Good video btw, I enjoyed the pun about od xdd

[@manfromponyupdaddyinfomerc9550]

if youre trying to fc a map, probably just use sudden death. you dont have to click retry and its just a score boost. but sudden death doesn't prevent combo breaks from slider breaks

[@Spookyy6]

Sudden death does not boost your score or pp gains

[@Salted_.]

i really needed this. thank you so much!

[@0p41]

I've been playing since 2013 and I really stunted my growth as a player by playing with solely HD from 2017 to 2020... I put myself in a HUGE mindblock for three years and saw no drastic improvements to my game. The only thing I regret myself doing in this game. To top it off, I have no consistent HR or DT skills either, which I could've developed if I didn't main solely HD.

[@kin5033]

just cause you mained one mod for a long period of time doesn't mean you still can't learn other mods. I have a similar situation like yours but I decided to change my playstyle. obviously it wasn't an overnight thing but you're still capable of learning new skills.

[@Quisspo]

tbh on maps in 1-2 star range HR makes the game easier most of the time. Atleast thats what 2 of my friends that have started to play not too long ago said. Its easier for them to read higher AR in the 7-8.4 range than AR 5 for example

[@JustShiiro]

Just use mods when you feel like it. They screwed me over once in a while because i underestimated the diff spike on hardrock but i'd recommend them for maps around 1 - 1.5 stars under your current level since you should be able to beat most of those effortlessly. No Fail on the other hand is really good to practice maps that are over your skill level since it can be pretty frustrating to keep dying within the first 30 seconds of a 5 minute map

[@wongsjcali]

I've started only one month ago, I have 1.7k pp and recently have been trying to master HDHR and DT. Yes , I did think of the risk even before watching this video. It took me just less than a week to master and play with HDHR and DT. Day by day improvement at least. I got my first 100pp play with DT and my second 100pp was with HDHR andim really happy abt it

[@ユイェン]

I doubt you've mastered HDHR and DT.

[@pokemonmaster42000]

@@ユイェン depends on how many playtime he has, if the guy has like 20k plays in the month that he's played then it's almost believable

[@yohanehakurei]

Frenz: "You should play with DT at around 1.5k pp" Me, a hdnchr main with only 590,000 rank: "ah shit here we go again"

[@chadolosu]

playing that mod combo on 1* doesn't mean anything because it barely changes the difficulty

[@vinal2722]

If u cant even read anything over 4* it really doesnt matter if its under 2* in diff originally

[@gabdancanadian]

Below 2 stars doesnt change that much difficulty lol. Play on 4 stars with those mods

[@katgen3561]

300k and I use DTHD/NCHD for farming 3 star maps tbh, and given enough tries (7-10 tries) for a map I'll perform better with hd than nomod (except if it has even a slighly spaced stream or burst)

[@M4TTYN]

hi osu! chicken. key words from FrenZ 10:49 as one who got used to HD and seeing improvement with DT/NC to HR a bit breaking out of your safety net is key even outside of osu! too to of course in life too!

[@Buizie]

in my opinion, I could never go HR without including HD because the disappearing circle feels slower without the approach circle closing on it

[@benedicto_4206]

"you should use start using hr around 3500 pp and dt around 2000pp" me: *checks my pp count (255pp) also me: looks like i'm not messing with these 2 for a LONG time

[@appuevt]

NC is indeed for cultured people, thank you for making that statement. Now i only disagree with you on 2 of the mods: EZ and most notably HT. While being able to read EZ helps you understand more dense patterns and focus more on the beat, which are both things that can happen at high difficulty plays, HT will help you understand a pattern better, making it easier to program your brain to run your fingers as they were supposed to. You practice it slow, or with more dense notes, and then remove that cap to get your pattern learned. WhiteCat uses it for a reason. BTMC also recommends the use of HT to learn a complicated pattern. But mostly i trust on those statements because i tried the HT trick myself to learn the storytellers diff spike, which i had trouble putting my fingers to work on that, i practiced a few times and then went back to the original map and since then i havent got a single finger control issue on that. Occasional aim slips because well thats one problem i have in general to fix. But all in all HT helps to learn patterns as much as EZ helps you to not get lost during a harder/faster map, that is if you can read EZ with proficiency...

[@chadolosu]

HT is for learning maps. It doesn't make you better at the game. Prepping for scores is not the same as improvement. That's why it's a useless mod for beginners

[@appuevt]

@@chadolosu it still doesnt make it a useless mod. Also, learning a map that needs you to put HT to understand, will make u understand that pattern, and once u go back to normal and do it at the normal speed, you learned a new pattern. That new pattern is gonna help you on new maps, aka improvement.

[@chadolosu]

@@appuevt useless mod FOR BEGINNERS.

[@appuevt]

@@chadolosu yes im not stupid i read your 'for beginners earlier' and to which i answered 'still not a useless mod' and explained why below.

[@chadolosu]

Bloominous Apple HT is ONLY for learning specific patterns on hard maps, which is never something a beginner will ever have to do

[@uvuvwevwevweonyentenyevweu9405]

Agreed about the early high AR reading. Don't start using HR as your main if still low rank, don't be like me who can't read No Mod. But for some reason, I can read HR and EZ but not No Mod.

[@zxro.r6583]

dont even got to watch the video and i can already say, whenever you want. enjoy the game

[@Skeraii]

the problem i have with hidden is that i literally have no clue when to click. since the approach circle is gone, i just have to guess when to click and im horrible at guessing. so all my hd plays have like almost only 100 and 50 and a lot of misses

[@rudyranger249]

I've started using DT a lot ever since I suddenly jumped from streaming 220 to 250 bpm. Before then I was using HR a lot since I wasn't really good at streaming high bpm. Though I mainly use HD since that's how I do better with before and after. I don't use DT to farm since my aim isn't really good with jumps. I mainly use it to train speed so I can prepare for maps with high bpm streams (such as rivers of nihil - hollow) in the future.

[@vanillakeksik]

Ok xeltol

[@webcrawler8244]

Who?

[@Pop-gj9iv]

And here I am absolutely terrified of DT Im just not a speedy person ;(

[@AyushTH]

I main RX and one thing I gotta say is that tapping really tanks your aim hard.

[@Rezeee]

funny thing is, right after playing the osu tutorial, I immediately went for dthdhr since while configuring my options, I noticed mods and clicked on it and saw a bunch of mods, I was like "Whatever, I play rhythm games and the tutorial was easy, How hard can it be?" You could guess how it went, I kept on failing and failing because I didn't know how hidden worked I couldnt hit any notes, Until I realized that you had to tap when the note fades away and once I found out about that,Although My acc was trash,the ar was a bit too fast for me and I kept missing, I was able to pass maps and this is how I found my main mod, Hidden, I find hidden so much fun to play and so I practiced it and immediately knew that this was going to be my main mod with dt and hr for an extra challenge. Honestly, If it werent for hidden, I probably would've stopped playing osu when I first started it for a few months, But hidden kept me captivated.

[@spoofxd8848]

I started using hr around 5.5k pp. I guess I started a bit late since my ar10 is already really good and all I have to worry about is aim and fingercontrol.

[@Jerryxnx99]

I have 6k pp and started playing hd and i feel like its gonna be a slow improvement

[@rudolfsigmund753]

If we are taking profile pp as a measurement, you can really improve it insanely quickly by playing hd on nomod farm maps. I started playing hd, jumped from 5.5k to 6.5kpp in 2 months, then played tech only for a while and then my first 400 was also with hd.

[@Jerryxnx99]

Rudolf Sigmund can i see your profileee?

[@Jerryxnx99]

Rudolf Sigmund i wanna try some more maps

[@seventwentyseven]

I became a full Hard Rock main at 900k and look at me now, cant play without Hard Rock anymore. oops

[@speedlimitviolationspecialist]

sure

[@dr.chopper3804]

So you cant play slow maps?

[@nyuin4384]

same lol

[@brycegames8837]

What do you mean you can’t play without hr anymore? I can understand hd players saying that but how does this even work for hr??

[@nyuin4384]

Bryce Games i’m sure these some term for it, but i’ll go with “ar-locking yourself”. for me, after using only hr for about a year it became extremely difficult to read anything below at 10 and low cs is also kinda hard. this is why higher players recommended not stepping too far out of your comfort zone, which results in ar-locking

[@lll-yq4hu]

I like that you started making osu videos again! Great video!

[@kaspbine]

ive been playing since may 2018 and i only just completed an easy map with NCHR for the first time a couple weeks back.... i havent even touched hidden, not to mention im a 7 digit with 180 pp

[@-r1ch0-16]

This doki doki pic at the end

[@asphyxth3663]

When i started . It felt slow . I put on HDDTHRFL . That's where the fun came in

[@avidlybrowsing]

I've always just used HR because it was fun

[@m1lk3d]

I didn’t even know about mods until playing for 5 months lol

[@flam1ngskulls154]

me who only plays hd (no nm really anymore) and is just now picking up dt as a person who has only played hidden for almost half a year i cant play nm anymore....

[@perlex_]

"be careful not be to reliant to HD" Me:fuck

[@Hoezi02]

As a non osu!-player...am I to understand that you can use the Hidden mod, which doesnt really seem to make the game much harder (or at all?), but gives you more points than playing the song unmodded? Do mods have a separate leaderboard?

[@순수한일삼이]

5:06 Me: using hidden on 700pp because it's kinda funny

[@dankmanOSU]

instructions unclear, became good at nm

[@roli._.5309]

I started playing HDHR Jump (5-7*) maps as 500k and now as a 240k I can beat 5 digits in any jump maps

[@Astrqx]

Maybe you can beat someone but that's impossible that you can beat guy higher than 40-50k

[@chadolosu]

X to doubt

[@hotsauce4207]

Thank god i watch this early

[@G4mma1337]

So you tell me i should stop using HR on everything? But i get up to 40pp this way! ... well ok guess then i start to learn how to do a simple burst first.

[@MrGhostYT_]

HR can be really helpful for those who struggle to get good accuracy. That skill will then transition to when you play other mods and it'll make it easier to get really good accuracy when you play with mods besides HR. Also, why would you need to read ar7-9? You don't really get that much pp from it xd

[@johon127]

you lost me at the ''you dont really get that much pp from it'' lol

[@MrGhostYT_]

@@johon127 Lol, I just said to get people mad xd

[@hiiiii5_405]

Ghost Den shut up noob you make me mad now 😡

[@MrGhostYT_]

@@hiiiii5_405 Sorry, I just got back from farming Harumachi clover.

[@andybuscus383]

Does AR even affect pp?

[@bananya6020]

i wish fl was an easier mod to sightread, because it really stands out right now. because every mod, even ez, even dt, even hddthr is sightreadable but in many cases fl simply is impossible to sightread. like if you end a combo at the bottom right and start a new on at the top left there is no followpoint to tell you it would be there. however, if the game were to use only the 0 combo fl cursor (for maybe a 1.08x score buff then rather than 1.12) all the time we would have plenty of fl mains and sightreaders. fl just stands out too much and it's not really like any other mods. also, if the ez and hr mods weren't so ingrained in osu playerbase, i would make ez decrease all diffsettings by 1, not halve them, and also hr increase them by 1. this provides still a relatively linear scale and allows both mods to actually be playable and usable. ar8-9 6* is still fairly easily readable while ar5 is starting to push it.

[@bredyx01]

Great video!

[@AJ1703]

Video: use *HR* when you're around 3kpp Me at 1.8kpp: No, I want to play HR, DT, HDDT, FL whenever I want and seems possible

[@aphish_n_flips]

lol as a player whos used hidden since I could barely fc 2*, its incredibly difficult to read no mod for maps i can easily pass with hd

[@sanesane3764]

I would actually recommend using hd when you first start the game. First by reading maps nm or hr only, and then with hd. This really helped my hd reading as I progressed through the game. The same for ez, as a lot of people lose their ability to read low ar as they become better.

[@bananya6020]

so true. oftentimes i'd see a top 1500 player looking to chill on a 4-5* lobby then immediately dying due to the low ar.

[@chadolosu]

bananya I don't think any decent top 1.5k does that unless they're failing to not submit

[@bananya6020]

@@chadolosu i've unironically seen it happen multiple times. a lot of high rank players use hr for that reason, but ehh

[@chadolosu]

bananya personally I've never seen it, and I've joined those lobbies with high rankers because they've either just gotten on or are about to get off, and they know they won't struggle so they don't need to sweat

[@griansv]

when my first fc was hidden hard rock....

[@dellalou9298]

I don’t know why but I have a PP of 500 and I absolutely love playing with Flashlight once I FC a map with DTHR

[@acornkun1741]

i thought that no fail was unranked so i used it on a hard map not really trying and i realized that it was ranked so i had to do the whole map again but i got a better score so i don't have to see a crap NF play

[@hira6390]

Lol relatable

[@coffeedvdrw]

me has been playing osu for a year: still 600k with 30pp top plays

[@eclipse_kun90]

Me who use DTHR in a 2 stars if 3 stars, it's DT only but a seventh digit

[@DwAboutItManFr]

"Any scores that aren't FCs won't be submitted" hell yeah boy.

[@Angelo-wg2kb]

5500 pp and I barely touched hr... I'm just getting into dt and alternating but I think I'm improving

[@luviar3341]

If i feel like i cant aim a map i play relax before i try it again and aftet that i have the confidence to aim it correctly relax is for me pretty important and helps me get normal scores (no im not a 6dig)

[@prophoenixgaming279]

I made the mistake of playing hr and dt as a 500k player and am a 5 digit who can't read ar

[@57evzun62]

Man i started using HD when I'm still around 67pp Now i can't turn it off because i can't read nomod

[@wave266]

Me:Instantly plays centipede

[@Sekkou_osu]

i think target practice is based on bpm

[@HIBA_DA_LOLICON]

me who used HD since day 1 now I can't play nomod

[@austinpang1489]

Me, only be able to get good acc in nomod

[@erianaquino1450]

damn im at 4.1k pp and i still dont wanna try out mods unless a friend sets a play with the mod

[@MrTerrorM]

when you want, but no quicker than like 1-2 years into the game

[@BeefGillProdutionszz]

wait how do these mods make it easier if your making the target smaller and doubling the speed? someone pls explain

[@kanemariee2859]

I'm a 6 digit. Around 200k and I am pretty decent with HRHD but I am only good at 4 star, FCing quite a few, Other than that, I have trouble with jumps, I can FC 5 star if I play the map enough. When I try to play No-mod to get better, I always mess up because of its speed, it's just so slow and it's difficult to follow the rhythm like that. Should I just give up HRHD for a bit to get back to No-mod to get better at Jumps? Or just become an HRHD player? Or is there a different options. Apologies for the Paragraph.

[@NIMKAOriginal]

I favorite mode it's - NM

[@bunchan6106]

TP is in time with the BPM. It ignores mapping and is completely random.

[@vis-glitch]

Watching people try to get used to slider accuracy judement in lazer is gonna be fun whenever that actually becomes the official client.

[@raply4663]

Him: I would use HR at 3500pp Me: is 86pp counted?

[@sayucomehome1040]

I changed my mod not knowing what it was how do i remove the mod pls help i cant find the mod section in options

[@overtaker4191]

Ive got 100 hours of osu and I can S rank 6 star maps, is it good or average?

[@Cdog-]

depends on what type of 6 star. If it is a 6 star "pp farm" map then that's decent, but if you can get s ranks on longer, more consistent 6 star maps (e.g. stream maps or just maps that aren't 90% jumps) then that is even better. Either way, I'd say you are doing great

[@overtaker4191]

@@Cdog- Okay thanks, Im not professional with all the words yet but maps Ive played are mostly maps which have mostly tapping and they are +-3min. I play with mouse so slider maps are not my strongest, maybe Ill buy tablet.

[@LoligesLP]

That amazed me so much that I cant trust u. xD Whats ur Osu! profil name?

[@choppa6506]

Im at 800pp and i only like playing dt cause its the most fun

[@sandoitchi3996]

I use rx when i dont if i cant do the jumps after i play with rx i play with ap so i know and when will i press the keys

[@jc3338]

I would only use ht to learn parts that don't know how to do when on regular speed

[@shadyshrimp4169]

I played HD,HR on a normal beatmap and it was 4mins + I got 330k points lol IIT WAS A D!!!! Osu!droid* And i only installed it 3-4 days ago..... Plus it was my first time playing that map...... Sooool am i makiing a mistake? I played it on my DIY stylus too XDDD

[@dayoki8091]

me: *gets pissed at a 3* map and turns on hidden me: gets better score with hidden also me: makes hidden my main mod because it gives bigger pp and subjectively makes maps more readable (especially dense maps)

[@indianfinancialadviser9039]

damn if only I saw this before i started ar 10 at 800pp *Me now unable to read anything below ar 10*

[@turf8999]

Im at 5.5kpp and haven’t properly started DT whoops

[@randomguynolonger727yearsa9]

I started learning mods at 2-3* FC like 150pp lol

[@therealtriangle]

me, a 500k who thought hard rock looked cool and so learned AR10:

[@TYsdrawkcaB]

my best score is 22pp (around 150pp total, with 2 scores greater than 20pp) and i'm a hr main. i literally play 1.8*-3.0* what do you mean you should learn hr at around 3kpp? hard rock is so easy dude and i can read ar 10 btw

[@snakewars2113]

My first play was a dtfl fc on a song i liked, i hated nm

[@nitramregiep9505]

I disagree that HT should be categorized as a useless mod when it comes to improving.

[@snowy-5552]

6:21 skin?

[@egulio]

flashlight...

[@GloboxShooter]

been playing with HD from the start of the game, now i'm stepping up with HDHRDT and still can't play normally without HD

[@bananya6020]

good luck at ar11 lol

[@GloboxShooter]

i'm already ded on ar 10 lol, but it's aight, i still have time to improve

[@vrcnfps]

There's a Target Practice?!?

[@twd-universe]

Whats does kpp stand for pls? :( and how do I see mine?

[@asdsdafed]

there is any difference between DT and HC?

[@3xclamat1on16]

I use suddendeath to practice fcing and completing a map at the same time

[@gengu467]

Can someone link the emilia skin used in a clip in this video because i cant find it

[@jaydendeacon5084]

Where's cinema

[@faxenita]

Idk how to read without hd

[@darkkami246]

Uuuwwwhhh help, already addicted to DTHR, start do that when my pp below 200

[@KPoWasTaken]

Where is the dt screenshot