When the Animation Changes Art Styles

[@GIRru11]

One thing I wish they would've done for Jake Long, is have the first episode of the season dedicated to Jake realizing a slimmer dragon form made it easier for him to fight

[@izzy1356]

Agreed, or heck they could've even made the dragon form a puberty/body-dismorphia allegory (depends on how far ya wanna go with it), where it starts off as this "overly idealized" image Jake has of himself that's different from his human form, and the slimmer dragon form could be him becoming more comfortable of his *actual* image of himself and reflecting that across both human/dragon forms

[@electrobob992]

I personally thought it could have made sense for him to have TWO different forms since his mother was an Asian Dragon, while his father was an American human. One taking the theme of Western depictions of Dragons, while the other taking the Eastern Depictions. With their own stat boosts. For the more asian inspired one, he'd be faster and more agile. But weaker in strength and endurance. While the Western style would be stronger and have more endurance. "Oh no I can't fly there fast enough" *Change your form Jake* "Oh right I can do that now!!!" Plus the merch "Buy the form changing Jake Long dragon toy"

[@randomnessltd]

@@electrobob992 Jake Long didn't have a lot of merch (WHY?! It was one of my favorites!)

[@MrCruz-iq3sc]

Should've been him being slim first and then in later seasons god bigger as he originally was

[@hob_channel]

Then they would have to come up with an explanation for why Jake had changed

[@Indie973]

I didn’t even notice the art style changes in gravity falls other then the pilot until now

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

Because they were rather minor and unnoticeable unless pointed out.

[@Indie973]

@ thank you

[@princeapoopoo5787]

I didn't notice until roughly a year ago ..... where I rewatched the series way too many times in a row 💀 It's definitely more noticable in some places than others (I feel like Stan is the most noticable change but ymmv here)

[@Oakleyyz]

​@princeapoopoo5787 my only issue with it is the animation got stiffer :(

[@focornali4349]

A bit of a tirade: When they changed the art style for Jake Long, I remember being super disappointed. I was obsessed with dragons, but found a majority of dragons in western media (specifically directed at children) had lame or goofy dragon designs. But Jake's was cool. I'm mixed race and really related to Jake and his family, especially mixed race (of anything) was kinda unusually in tv shows. It made sense to me that the dragon form would represent his western side since he was the American dragon (we had seen other dragons also reflect the place they came from). Not sure if other mixed kids can relate to this, but an annoying thing to hear growing up whether from people irl or in media make comments to the effect of 'you're not [blank] enough' or that only your nonwhite side matters. So when I saw Jake's new form, which resembles his grandfather's form (totally didn't clock that it was supposed to be a teen dragon), it felt like Jake's American heritage didn't matter at all. Anyway I know it wasn't a big deal, but the experience stuck with me because it was the first time I felt let down by something I related a lot too.

[@Id334ler]

Huh, I never saw him being smaller as a nod to him being a teenager, it might have been though. I just viewed it as his mixed race manifesting in his dragon form. He does look like a mix of a Western and Eastern dragon. I actually prefer the new look and the style in general. I feel in the minority about this though.

[@dragonrulr4]

I wish they would have bulked his neck and chest out slight, still as a nod to s1, but also to balance him out a little. He looks like he’s Ganna break like a twig, and I also thought it was him losing his mixed identity

[@peucev8166]

i'm mixed race too and that plays a part in why i liked this show so much as a kid. it was the first show ever where i saw the main character and got to say, "hey, they're just like me!" in that particular sense. i think they coulda made him scrawnier without making him look so much like his grandpa, or done a better job picking something more "in between" western and chinese dragons. it woulda been wayy smoother if they hadn't changed mid show like that, too lol. still loved the show, though :)

[@Leostar-Regalius]

i HATED when they changed the dragon forms, human forms i didn't mind since they stuck pretty close to the original with slight changed, but the changes to dragons was bad and way too diffrent(well, except gramps obviously)

[@malum9478]

the reason "only the nonwhite side matters" is because that's how race works. you're not "half white", no one is, that's the whole point of whiteness--that's why the concept was invented in the first place. you can be "half-german" or "half-irish" or "half-italian", but there is no such thing as "half white". what people are trying to tell you when they say "only your nonwhite side matters" is, "whiteness is not a culture in and of itself, it is the term we use to signify the top of the ingroup hierarchy in the global hegemony we all know as 'white supremacy', and you, by virtue of that hierarchy's codification, are explicitly denied from belonging to that group".

[@AriBat]

Its funny how American Dragon was only the second time a cartoon about dragons that aired on a Disney branded network in the us had a complete artstyle change in it's second season

[@andrewmulert]

If I had a nickel for Everytime a Disney Branded Network had a show about Dragons that redesigned it's style in the second season, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

[@tomate_4f91]

What's the other one? I forgot

[@AriBat]

@tomate_4f91 Blazing Dragons, it aired on Toon Disney from 1998 to 2002

[@tomate_4f91]

​@@AriBatah ok, thank u

[@dillanikobe495]

They made human Barry B Benson 😭😭!

[@shoolcreates1999]

Damn, if there was only five months between seasons of Jake Long then they would have already been working on the redesigns while season 1 was initally airing lol. Theres no way they could redesign every character and produce an entire season of tv in that amount of time lol

[@tomate_4f91]

Something like that, if I understood it correctly, the new designs were a mix between Steve and David pilot designs but also the art style of the new artist they hired a bit later (probably I have reading and listening comprehension issues)

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Honestly wished that they kept Jake long's art from the first season For the whole series. SPECIALLY His dragón form

[@MandoFlores-kz5is]

True

[@jesusmen6308]

Yeah. It was Hard for me to keep seeing the series after some point because I HATED that artstyle.

[@timothylyons1529]

i agree dragon forms look like their head modified on lizard body with wings

[@Elvusmiw]

The art style is good, it's just the redesign is bad

[@Rainforestdelight]

I agree but I will admit that I like Rose’s redesign in season two.

[@aspebb]

I will never get over what they did to Jake Long. They massacred my boy.

[@hob_channel]

Jake is Jake and it doesn't matter what he looks like

[@dreamguardian8320]

I hear you.

[@papichulo7593]

Might be a hot take but I liked the change🤷🏾‍♂️ they sold me in the short shorts

[@observersbirdhouse]

What I find strange about Jake Long's art style change is how it affected the Huntsclan's design. For season 1, the art style was a bit more grounded with the character designs, whereas season 2 went a bit more exaggerated with the designs to enhance the magical creatures' design more. Most of the character's designs of these seasons fit these approaches however there are a few exceptions to this status quo and one of those characters is the Huntsclan. In season 1 the Huntsclan design is weirdly way more exaggerated in season 1 with the glowing eyes and hoods, but then their entire aesthetic changes in season 2 to have a more grounded approach to the design with a basic uniform for all the characters in the clan. The season 1 Huntsclan design philosophy fits more in season 2, and 2's philosophy fits better in 1, I'm not sure why that's the case but I thought it is fun to point out.

[@Jack-sy8mr]

As one of the dozen other people who remember the 2011 Thundercats, I see you Vox

[@effithet]

bro i thought i DREAMED 2011 thundercats, good to see that it actually exists lolll

[@KTF0]

The big fail of 2011 Thundercats was no intro. Big sin for a cartoon with a legendary intro. Other than that, it was absolutely brilliant and as a huge fan of the original, 2011 deserves any flowers it gets. The universe needs to Mandela effect Thundercats Roar.

[@Endothelia]

I had a weird itch for a video like this, legendary. This channel always provides perfect content 👌 Been one of my favorites over the years.

[@justpinklasagna]

Catwoman looks like she's dying from hypothermia with how blue her skin is. 11:36

[@yaB0i_Hawkx]

I guess, after seeing the buff version of the season 2 jake, what bothered me actually was his face. Idk. Maybe bc his jaw is different, his face, his eyes, his hair... The original dragon form had a smug and somewhat overconfident look, while the other form looks... Yeah idk. Maybe its more realistic, but im sure you could've found a middle ground between idealistic and realistic, so that the new ideas will be conveyed elegantly.

[@Mangacide]

As someone who grew up with the original Thundercats (and Voltron, Sailor Moon, He Man, She Ra, etc); I really wish we could have seen more of the 2000's series. The art style looked great and what I remember of the story was really engaging too. I'd rewatch if I knew where to find it. Considering what a controversy it was when it came out; I'm kind of surprised you didn't cover the art style change between the original She Ra and the reboot. We had weirdos literally saying reboot She Ra looks like a man x.x

[@hikimi18]

Even the show Dexter’s laboratory had a redesign in the 3rd and 4th season when you looked back at it.

[@hlavco]

A bunch of Cartoon Network originals did that... they had their original run, then took a break, maybe made a movie, and then came back with a new look. Dexter's Lab, Powerpuff Girls (not talking about the reboot), and Johnny Bravo. For Dexter and Powerpuff, I felt like the redesigns coincided with a drop in overall quality. Even though I didn't like the Johnny Bravo redesigns, I think that show got funnier during that period. To make things more confusing, Johnny Bravo had a Christmas special later on that brought back the Season 1 look for some of the characters.

[@kailiahmoon]

Mixels changed animation styles starting with A quest for the lost Mixamajig

[@TheNonameHousehold]

My personal art style is heavily influenced by "simplicity", most memorably used in My Life as a Teenage Robot, Steven Universe, and later on Netflix's Hilda, I wish a whole series could be animated in that art style❣️🫥✍️🏼

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

You should talk about Jentry Chau Vs The Underworld. It's like Danny Phantom and Jake Long combined. I just finished it and it's something special that needs more attention.

[@aboxinspace]

Yessssssssss

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I forgot that American dragon Jake long change the art style in season two

[@sj5nimdus433]

Yk American Dragon is justified if the second design was introduced as the first season then evolve to the first season couldve been a story of growth

[@bqw2094]

That justice league animation was also used for the 2003 teenage mutant ninja turtles animated series , I really hope that kim possible / justice league art and animation makes a comeback

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

I hated the design change as a kid, and I still do. He looked so much cooler and the villains looked far more menacing. Now the Huntsman and the clan look like they're wearing Halloween costumes.

[@hob_channel]

Ummm, no. With Huntsclan they decided to go the other way and portray them as ninjas, which turned out well

[@cooltjh4]

@@hob_channel Ummm, no. they looked like goofballs playing around in costumes. the early rendition was more akin to shredder and his clan. the s2 ones looked like the goofy idiots de-aged from the venture brothers monarch organization.

[@eeveefennecfox]

alot of these changes I never noticed when I was a kid,expect american dragon jake long XD but I do miss the different art styles we had in the 90's and early 2000's,changing a show to a permanent art style lost the unique art styles I loved

[@ArtisticHH57]

Pound Puppies 2010 did this about 8 episodes into season 1, and I actually legit think they perfected it.

[@dreamguardian8320]

They even changed the art style in the 1986-1987 version.

[@Bawl16]

Cartoon network in their late 90s and early 2000s were the main culprits of this. Its be harder to name a show that doesn't change art styles at some point then ten that do. They have like 5 shows that have their entire gimmick being that they change art styles (courage, gumball, regular show, etc)

[@oshawott8053]

Randy cunningham 9th grade ninja pilot is way different than what we got still good decision getting Jhonen vasquez to do the artstyle at the end

[@randomnessltd]

I actually met Stephanie Nadolny (KO from O.K. KO!) and she was delightful!

[@Leostar-Regalius]

don't forget, omniverse also explained WHY the artstyle changed so much canologicly, basically the alien Xs did it because they were bored

[@mesousagaby740]

I always joked that Steven looked like a rugged up late 20's man in the pilot He somehow looked the most uncanny from everyone and he's supposed to be the most human-like. And again, obligatory mention how OK K.O. had a very specific artstyle made by noticing a storyboarder's name, and you'd be like "Oh, Mira Ong Chua drew this, oh Danny Ducker drew this, oh, Dave Alegre drew this incredibly gross and disgusting and great drawing." XD

[@JsAwesomeAnimations]

I swear I read it as “When the cartoon art styles”

[@NicolasSantana-xm2yl]

Is there any chance that American Dragon Jake Long will return someday for a new reboot ?

[@elietesantana3582]

I hope so

[@MandoFlores-kz5is]

@@elietesantana3582 true

[@dragontales1999]

Maybe, if a Class of 3000 reboot might happen (might, not will) anything can

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Watch Jentry Chau vs the Underworld if you wanna scratch that same itch

[@ScooterCat64]

Well, it's possible

[@Pagewaster]

One thing of note about style changes I have is the show "Chaotic" They went from puppeted American style flash animation to anime inspired frame by frame animation. Now this is very interesting because as far as I know it's far faster, easier, and cheaper to work with flash puppeting. So the art style shift between season 1 and 2 of Chaotic is a bit crazy in that regard because usually we see the style change for the sake of cost, but this was the opposite. I wonder why that was.

[@Linkonpark100]

If American Dragon had a Season 3, do you think they would've mixed both Jake's dragon forms? Food for thought.

[@VeeFerns]

23:07 Gideon has a pilot design, it's in the next time on reel

[@kitsorcerer]

Ben 10 omniverse style grew on me. I like it now

[@bgoinsowo1277]

Gotta be honest, I was incredibly disappointed when season 3 of The Venture Bros dropped the older looking style that replicated stuff like Johnny Quest and Scooby Doo

[@snowcloud8]

American Dragon was the biggest betrayal

[@dziankolack9331]

I drastically prefer The New Batman Adventures style. Bruce looked too old with that cheek line, and I prefer the square jaw.

[@BugsyFoga]

I remember noticing the change in art style for American dragon, and honestly didn’t feel too bothered by it.

[@LadyL2121]

Honestly same but I felt like should have kept the design for the huntsman villain group and Jake’s dragon designs should have been reversed

[@channydraws]

Honestly loved the season 2 style as a kid aside from the dragon form, it was too much of a change. But hearing what the artist's vision was, yeah! I can get behind that! (still a big change compared to season 1 tho lmao)

[@drakenastee]

For CN I think the heavy influence and traction of kids forced to watch Teen Titans Go! Is what made many of the 2016 shows look the same and feel that way, CN definitely gambled thinking “all kids love this show so all WE gotta do is pump more shows like this” which failed, I can forgive shows like American Dragon, Ben 10 Omniverse and OK KO as those shows work for what you expect, but The Powerpuff Girls 2016, Ben 10 2016 and the boastfulness of Teen Titans Go celebrating being the longest running show also showing this is why these changes have happened is where I think CN really took a nose dive. At least with Gumball, Regular Show, Steven and Infinity Train they all were unique and aimed to go for the older audiences as if they are saying “we see you”, the cutesy, baby style just feels like the network is actively calling you stupid saying “yeah we aim for kids but we do this so you don’t watch it” and I think that’s wrong as if shows like Bluey or the CN renaissance showed there’s a whole audience group that would watch it if you don’t actively make your shows not even tolerable to sit through, like at least with shows that aim for kids at 3-7 they know it, but the kids who are 9-12 don’t need to have brain rot both online and on TV it’s just not fair.

[@Chrisezo]

The same thing can happen for video game franchises though. Just take a look at Mega Man X's art style from X1-X3 then go to X4-X6, and the biggest change was from Capcom's X1-X7 into Mega man Zero, where Inti Creates chibified all of the characters, but I at least appreciate that Inti Creates tried to make it make sense in the lore, where the reason why they gave Zero more humanoid proportions, and that they even replaced his arm cannons to give him an actual gun, was because they were going for a look that made Zero and the other reploids look like armored humans, with the vests and helmet and stuff, which is why I can get behind the look change, since it just meant that technology evolved so much from the X series to the Zero series in the 100 years between the series, where Zero was able to become more human like, and its the reason why he even has synthetic muscles, I also appreciate the fact that they removed his disturbing breast like looking green gems from the chest area...

[@jakeilano6821]

I don't if anyone here knows about the show Miraculous Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir but the creators are changing the animation art style as well.

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

Wow so many different art styles

[@sprocket403]

Might as well... honestly, I LOVED the change to Jake's dragon form. I also thought that it changed due to his Chinese-American heritage. More specifically, his dragon form changing to a similar form to his grandpa's; much like how in The Legend of the Dragon Tooth (season 1), Hailey's dragon form was purplish during mid-transformation, but was pink in season 2. It changed as she got older to fit her personality, but would probably change again when she gets older. I say would because it could be a possibility. This is all a theory.

[@SonicSony45]

Gumball went through the biggest change in CN history He was originally a Blue Dog, to a Black, all the way to the blue cat we all know and love And the designs from Seasons 1-3+

[@cruztastrophe]

I never thought of the American Dragon body styles as "buff" and "skinny". I always saw them more as looking like European dragons and Asian dragons, which is why I didn't like the change in body style. Jake had mixed heritage, so it made sense for his dragon form to look different than his Grandpa's. Their snouts and body styles felt like meaningful character design grounded in the story. I didn't mind the other art style changes (even though I did think they were uglier, I would've still watched it), but the change in body style made me lose interest in the series when I was a kid.

[@SimulatedGoat]

Considering they were having trouble keeping on model for the simplistic designs, I'd hate to see how the initial art style would've turned out

[@joaofranco4237]

This is the 3rd thumbanail i've seen for this video I feel like I'm going insane

[@Zyr0-z3r]

1:30 Ben 10 Classic Ben 10 UAF Ben 10 Destroy all Aliens Ben 10 Race Against Time Ben 10 Alien Swarm Ben 10 ,Generator Rex; Heroes United Ben 10 Omniverse Ben 10 2016

[@bochosanchez5160]

5:25 he looks like quetzalcoatl with that color scheme

[@zionalbina691]

So, my uncle is a HUGE fan of the og Thundercats, and has been since it's original airing. He has old toys, and the entire series on dvd, which the two of us have watched all the way through together multiple times. But when the 2011 reboot came out he LOOOVED it. He immediately started buying toys again, some to collect, most to give to his son, and bought the season on dvd as soon as it was available. One of his favorite changes was, in fact, the art style, he said it fit the characters and the vibe of the story much better, and that even though he'll always love the original, the reboot is objectively the better show. We were both heartbroken when it was canceled. My uncle even signed an online petition to have it uncancled, despite absolutely hating computers. Even to this day he still talks about how much he'd love for it to come back. So there are definitely original fans that vibe with the reboot, new art style and all

[@Supasmartguy]

You should make a video about what an Amphibia Owl House Gravity Falls crossover.

[@pardonmy_existence]

Just visually this video bombarded me with nostalgia so much so that by just looking at it i feel like imma heave nosebleed

[@moyaalbert3157]

I personally never had a problem with the Omniverse art style

[@hob_channel]

I love American Dragon season 2 and it makes me sad how people are biased because of the different art style. \ But come on, it has its positives. For example, the fight scenes became SO MUCH BETTER and I enjoyed watching them, unlike season 1

[@vlanson6529]

Honestly, 2011 Thudbercats, while more anime inspired was actually fantastic to me as a kid. Even now, I still think they did a great job with it and it reminds of alot of the old cartoons around that year and the remakes. Especially "What's up Scooby Doo?" And all the animated movies for it around then. We definitely had some misses, but man was back then a golden era for cool cartoons.

[@Matt_1tz]

THIS IS ABSOLUTLY AMAZING. IM SO INLOVE RN

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

19:34 her comics should get the animated treatment like a lot of anime like Jo Jo’s

[@Aka-tu6pw]

7:13 The oracle twins redesigns were so bad I stopped watching the show back when I was trying to finish it 2 years ago. I still haven't finished it 😞

[@cruzjackal]

There also a show that changed it art style from early seasons to later seasons. I'm talking My Little Pony Friendship is Magic (G4). Even though it's a reboot from the 1986 original series. The reboot also changes it's art style from looking hand drawn to computer drawn with brighter colors and the outline even looks thickers

[@pablocasas5906]

14:28 funnily enough, in the Latin American Spanish dub Ben is voiced by the same actress who voices Naruto, Isabel Martiñón. In Alien Force teenage Ben he was dubbed by a male voice actor, though in the reboot Ben is voice by a young male VA, Emilio Treviño, who is know for voicing characters like Denji in Chainsaw Man and Miles Morales in the Spider-Verse movies

[@yaB0i_Hawkx]

I think why people hated the new design of Jake's Dragon form is simply just because of the drastic, seemingly without reason, change. We grew accustomed to the s1 design so its gotta be bad if they suddenly decided to completely revamp the s2 design. Its kinda like logo redesigns, you just fell in love with the original so whatever comes next will be put down subjectively. Maybe jt would have worked with just fewer changes, while keeping the original feel to it.

[@ViktorErikFade]

I clicked this thinking he's the "American dragon" so the fact they changed his shape so much made me so sad. It was not only a design nerf but also a power nerf . I remember them using the excuse "it's so he's not over powered and now he matches his family" And I went I may be young but thats dumb :'( He was already at a good power level because he couldn't always fully control his powers and earned them along the way

[@ViktorErikFade]

For the most part over all the show looked great minus Jake's form

[@hob_channel]

Huntsman's red eyes were removed to make him more human, because he himself literally hates anything supernatural

[@J1P2K]

Chaotic comes to mind when someone mentions animation changes.

[@titolove6895]

I didn't even know there was a new Scooby-Doo show called GoGo mystery machine on the way 😲😲

[@GameCrafters11]

I'm a simple person. I see something of ADJL in KZbin, I automatically see it

[@hob_channel]

If this video will have a sequel, I'd love for you to tell about Regular Show

[@DashMonotonous]

16:13 that big chill in the left is from the reboot btw, not UAF.

[@MeganKoumori]

I get that art styles change, simplify, and refine over time. However, the "Rugrats" redesign from its original 1991-1993 run to its new look around 1996 and beyond actually pisses me off. Not only is it an outlier from KC's other work, but it's obvious it was cutesy-ied up for marketing purposes. They stripped away everything that made "Rugrats" one of the most visually unique and creative cartoons of the 90's, so they could sell more toys.

[@MarcusJackson-v2c]

Hey roundtable I have a question are you going to make videos about new gravity falls characters and new Steven universe villains both human and gem.

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

Jake longs new style looked sick as hell

[@POPPY-k1t]

@theroundtable can you please make a video on jentry chau vs the underworld. it was such a good show and it NEEDS to be talked about more

[@Bananaman1327]

Very underrated show. Kit deserved better

[@POPPY-k1t]

@ IK kit should have lived and toki should have been a main character

[@Bananaman1327]

@POPPY-k1t I'm pretty sure there is no character in the show called Toki

[@POPPY-k1t]

@ no it’s jentrys friend from korea the one with the butterfly clips, she wasn’t on screen for a very long time

[@Bananaman1327]

@POPPY-k1t I think she'll become a more prominent character in season 2. If there is one

[@Technilogica2019]

this feels very oddly specific but what always breaks my brain is when the actual look and design doesnt change at all, just looking at screenshots you'd have NO idea they might even use all the same assets but they either change software or change teams and the animation quality tanks like the style is the exact same its just the animation is less fluid or they cut corners and have fewer angles or things like that

[@wahwaffles]

ntm now on my beloved american dragon S2 art style. i think going more stylised route gave the show more life and colour and it definitely made it stand out from other similar cartoons at the time

[@cartoonishidealism582]

I actually loved the art style change for Jake Long. The colours were more vibrant, and I actually dug a lot of the new designs

[@bochosanchez5160]

19:08 it's more like American dad scooby doo

[@Firebreakerhayes6904]

Ben 10 Omniverse art style reminds me of transformers animated style

[@StardianArts]

They have the same character designer, Derrick J. Wyatt(RIP), who also did the designs for Teen Titans and Mystery Inc

[@FastCarsNoRules220]

As a kid, I actually didn't know the one with the different art style was actually another season of the same show, I thought they just made two different American Dragon shows.

[@TryTheRoachBurger]

bro dont even look at american dad, the fox seasons are super consistant with the models, in the tbs era there pupils are bigger and smaller, mouth shapes are just off and rogers design (besides his personas as that sometimes changes him a bit) is just super inconsistent with eye shapes and mouth movements.

[@Oginaka]

I always hated the art style switch up for American Dragon, the original art style was so much more unique and eye catching. Even had me playing the flash game where you make a photo shoot with the original character designs

[@everwildart3563]

Jake Long's change of style actually led to younger me into thinking that I was imagining the previous style XD

[@akiraevangelionultimateali5199]

15:01 I wish they got there own animated films like classic did

[@st6nbones185]

On Ben 10, the reboot is actually pretty good. I found myself pleasantly surprised by it when I gave it a real chance, though the art style doesn't feel right and some of the redesigns aren't the best (Stinkfly could be an entirely different alien).

[@ChickenTablet96]

i agree with you here, the ben 10 reboot is actually very underrated another thing to mention, i like how the reboot actually takes the budget it didn't spend on the artstyle, directly to the animation quality. its doing exactly what spectacular spider-man did: have a simple artstyle but fluid animation

[@st6nbones185]

@ChickenTablet96 exactly

[@wisconsinking323]

I'm mixed on whenever a cartoon changes art styles.

[@AHylianWarrior]

With Jake Long it makes no sense cause they said they wanted him to look more his age as a dragon but then there's an episode where he turns into an adult and his form doesn't change shape at all

[@davidalan6701]

I was one of those that really liked the Batman redesign. I always like more stylization to make a series (or universe) unique enough to know where it’s from even if you don’t know the character. I have a dream they’ll to that kind of redesign to gargoyles and reanimate it while they work on new seasons.

[@mechajay3358]

5:40 Ok that's where he loses me a bit, while TNBA's style has become the default of the DCAU, the Batman TAS designs is the one fans have always latched on too.

[@LadyL2121]

When I was watching the show I didn’t mind the art style change in season two but rewatching multiple times I felt like should have kept the design for the huntsman villain group and Jake’s dragon designs should have been reversed

[@ToonKing502ii]

DUDE!! I thought I was the only one who loved Ben 10: Omniverse's design! That iteration's design were so cool, I could never understand why all the backlash.

[@CorBYSchmorBY]

Is the thumbnail of this video changing every millisecond on purpose? If so that’s genius 😭

[@tarruvi]

Jake Long's dragon form change from season 1 to 2 will forever be the most annoying to me, I remember how much I hated it. I actually stopped watching the show. All these years later, it's more absurd if you think about his parents. His mother is Chinese-American and his father is White, so the buff form from season 1 could be a nice nod to western depictions of dragons, and tie dragon forms to genetics in ways that would add depth to the whole phenomenon. His grandfather being fully Chinese, has the longer slimmer build associated with eastern depictions of dragons. But in season 2, they erased what made this whole dissonance between his and his grandfather's dragon forms interesting. The S1 to S2 change feels like cultural erasure, removing one half of jack's heritage for a rebrand? I personally don't think the producers meant to do anything bad, but they could have done more to research dragons outside of the original concepts. In todays age of reboots of old series, I hope they choose the S1 dragon form if a sequel is ever considered. Also, make the Australian dragon an Aboriginal Australian or part Aboriginal. I get they wanted to avoid making Fred Nerk as such, because they feared having him be an antagonist would be a no-no. But that doesn't matter, since he winds up becoming buds with jake in the end anyway? Again, they scrapped having Jake duke it out with an Aboriginal Australian in The Dragon Summit, only to have him whitewashed AND become friends with Jake? I guess they never thought about this, they should have stuck with Fred being an Aboriginal Australian if this was supposed to be his arc of rival to friend in that episode.

[@KiraiKatsuji]

Good that you don't talk smack about Omniverse.

[@paulgilbert5278]

It's easy not to. OV has the best animation compared to UAF atleast

[@KiraiKatsuji]

@paulgilbert5278 People still are wrong

[@Timmy-Tury]

0:01 GRUNKLE GRUNKLE GRUNKLE GRUNKLE

[@Netsuki]

There is two things. Art style and design. And sometimes one show changes both independently. The Jake Long changed the whole DESIGN of the dragon, not just art style. But I want to go back to what I said earlier. When the show changes both art style and the design. Dragon Ball. The style of the characters changed a lot. Goku from the big eyed, more cartoonish character became more serious looking guy. And not only that, but there is a lot of different art style changes in how Toriyama drawn characters, their muscles, shadows and stuff. Even the SSJ itself. But Dragon Ball also introduced design change, but not design of particular character, but... the whole world. Original Dragon Ball had more villagey, cozy vibes. The background characters were more cartoonish and simple. But with introduction of Z, they quickly became more city folks-like. And while there still were some more cartoonish characters, most of them became less cartoonish. Like look at the audience of the Tenkaichi Budokais in Dragon Ball: 21st, 22nd and 23rd. And the one held in Buu Saga. There is less random animals, less chubby characters and so on. EDIT: 11:05 Lol, I literally thought you put the Animaniacs or Tiny Toons clip here and wanted to make some example in these cartoons. But then you mention how she doesn't look like out of Animaniacs anymore. She really did! You are so right. EDIT2: Also I may not be talking about Bugs Bunny designs, but I did talk (or rather think, because I didn't have anyone to actively discuss it with) about Tom and Jerry's designs. Like I don't like the very first one, when Tom looks like an actual quadruped cat, but I also don't like one of the newer one, from the '60s. I prefer Tom & Jerry 45-58 art styles. They are different, but they are the best to me. And I always loved them this way. That guy who mentioned that nobody talk about Bugs Bunny underrate how kids perceive the things like this. And actually kids hate even the smallest changes. Because they think it's something off. Kids like something they've been used to. Some changes are indeed minor and doesn't matter over time, but there are changes that DOES matter. EDIT3: I never watched Ben 10. Or rather never watched it actively. I've seen some few random episodes and that's it. But the 2016 version? FFS, this looks like these videos for kids around toddler's age with nursery rhymes. LITERALLY. I sometimes searched for nursery rhymes, because I liked the song and it was kinda too childish (because they are not necessarily have to be that much childish, like Twinkle Twinkle for example, it's just nice tune, it doesn't need childifying) and the art style of characters were similar to 2016 look of Ben 10. Like bruh. And I generally hate the modern art style, because it's cheap excuse to make the design worse. And not just much worse. It's like they deliberately make it as bad as possible. I don't mind change in art styles and designs, as long as they don't remove some important features. But modern cartoon designs are worse than even the dumbest design or art style change. I hate second season Jake Long, but it's not that bad to hate the show and cringe when I see it. But anything like Duck Tales or that modern Ben 10? That's really insulting. EDIT4: Speaking of Scooby-Doo. My favorite art style is when Shaggy didn't have eyes. I mean, sclera. It was simple and unique. Giving him the sclera made the art style look more serious/modern, but I still prefer the original. But I don't hate on the newer styles. Unless we are talking about these super modern styles.

[@pmx1000_]

I remember when they did the same thing to "The Replacements"

[@UrSammich]

It's funny because I saw in a panel online that Dante Bisaco has gone on record saying he likes season 1 art style more than season 2. I am so divided when it comes to the series as I love season 1's art style, but season 2's story telling is so much better.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Gravity falls is great example of when it's done right 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

To be fair, that's probably cause the changes were relatively minor (In that the changes didn't drastically altered their overall look when taking the show as a whole).

[@veronicawilliams5347]

Is there a video coming up for Invincible Fight Girl?😅

[@ian-blum]

I was so confused when I randomly encountered an episode of american dragon post art style change. Personally dont think the show would've been that popular without the orignal art style