How the Balkans almost UNITED

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

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[@maskinisten019]

😂😂😂😂 hippie communist who lives in the west has something to sell 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Moosemoose1]

Yo BalkanOdyssey, what were the background music tracks you used for this video? I really enjoyed them

[@zhcultivator]

please make an alternate history video where the october revolution is a christian socialist revolution please..

[@adxisback]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ stop shilling for capitalist useless products, comrade Poserovic

[@arbendit4348]

You talk a big game lot about being a communist, but promote their products when they offer you money nonetheless. Hypocritical?

[@utqiagvik1991]

Balkan Odyssey few years ago: The Balkan Federation could've been a *tragic huge mistake* Balkan Odyssey now:

[@n1cks.365]

character development

[@KekusMagnus]

growth

[@Harinjo916]

Because he is a young dude who doesn't know any better, was Yugoslavia great? No. Was it better then anything we ever had? Yes in a huge margin compared to what we have now.

[@mmr1137]

He found commie girlfriend 100% 😅

[@mmr1137]

Yugoslavia was mistake. People here have too much national priđe. Kingdom of Yugoslavia could not change that, socialist Yugoslavia. Just take a look history of Balkans Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Albania... There is no example of peaceful life in those coutries. Majority always triedxto convert minority. In some cases it was resistance like in Turkey with Armenians, Greeks, Kurds and Assyrians. But at the end they all were victims of genocide and was turkified. In Greece Turks were that stayed turn into Greeks. Albanians in Greece have Greek names. Serbs and Montenegrins feom Albania was forced to take Albanian names and it was forbiden for them to learn serbian language. In theory that idea sound wonderfull. But it will never happend in real life. Me in early and mid 20s I belived in that. Now when I am in mid 30s I realised how delusional I was.

[@Scrap_Lootaz]

Time Traveler: Stepping on a Butterfly. Now: Balkanization is about unification now.

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Ah imagine...

[@facoulac]

I think you didn't mention Greek enlightened Rigas Ferraios, who proposed a Balkan Confederation already by the late 1700s.

[@ClassicalTraining]

@facoulac They did, in 14:55

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

I did briefly mention him, but didn't expand upon it too much

[@stanleyrogouski]

Giannis, Luka, and Jokic on the same team? The Balkan federation would win the Gold.

[@redlion45]

Every year.

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Way too OP in every sport

[@josemaria8177]

The Tito-Stalin split and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[@porterhouse937]

That is true only if we presume that Yugoslav Bulgaria would have been a capable balance to Serbian power, and that annexing Albania in a predominantly Slavic union wouldn't have been a destabilising factor.

[@thiagovidal8972]

Yeah Tito is a pig

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

@@porterhouse937the Serbs always wanted to subjugate us and Tito almost did it but Stalin and Zhivkov stopped him may they rest in peace

[@yazovgaming]

@@elgoogelgoog9674 Wrong and Wrong, Tito was a Croat-slovene while he also messed with the serbs by trying to give kosovo to Albania, and make Vojvodina and Montenegro seperate.

[@porterhouse937]

@@yazovgamingthat would have been a smart move, that way Servia wouldn’t have had the upper hand in the federation and Albania would have had a reason to justify joining a country named YugoSLAVIA. Add Bulgaria to the mix tamed by independent Macedonia and the power balance would have been optimal. That would leave the Croatian nationalists as the only wildcard which could have been violently crushed in an otherwise balanced Yugoslavia.

[@CocoSon-we2rg]

During the 1880s, there was the idea of ​​uniting Romania and Bulgaria in a state, which sympathized after the war of 1877, but this disturbed Russia, which threatened the Romanian king Carol I with war, the negotiations being stopped. After that he started to put the fuse between Romanians and Bulgarians using Dobrogea. Dobrogea at that time, an underdeveloped region with a majority Turkish population, was shoved down Romania's throat at San Stefano instead of Bessarabia (Bugeac), a much more prosperous region at that time with 3 large ports. Romania's merit is that it developed it and Constanța became an important port on the Black Sea.

[@Veselinius_III]

As a Bulgarian I would have loved that Dimitrov-Tito Union to have become a reality...Serbs are the closest thing to brothers we have on this world! I would love to see this happen now as well, but those same imperialistic bastards have their nails deep inside our throats here in Bulgaria at least..... Also, Romania is as Balkan as the rest of us and that remark irritated me to be honest...BIG LOVE TO ALL BALKAN BROTHERS!!! STAY STRONG DEAR BEAUTIFUL LOVELY NEIGHBOURS! 🦾😤 They cannot split us apart and force us against one another forever! The Craiova Convention was also a nice new recent beginning and attempt to bring back the idea of Balkan Union...wonder what happened with it, if anyone knows? Cheers from Sofia! 🍻

[@tommyschmierer4627]

Živeli ❤

[@Harinjo916]

Never gonna happen again tho

[@JustL00kingYeah]

Dimitrov was arguably the biggest traitor in our modern history. Individual who don't even deserve to be spat upon. I disagree with the statement that the Serbs are the closest thing to brother to us, the Macedonians were, but the same people you are prazing alienated them towards us. The Serbs are more like the neighbor that in private would love to see you suffer, but in public would play it friendly.

[@tommyschmierer4627]

@@JustL00kingYeah with all due respect the serbs that I know are not like that at all ... But anyway..., ✌🏽❤️ bro

[@Veselinius_III]

@@JustL00kingYeah You are the problem and not the solution bro...with that mindset -> go emigrate to THE HOLLY EUROPA AND THE ALL MIGHTY DEMOCRATIC WEST like the rest of your kind please!

[@Unaqer]

The balkan federation is one of the few revolutionary ideas that would have probably saved europe from being under u.s. / british / turkish / etc. regimes that reign, still until this day. Back when Rigas Ferraios (late 1700s) was proposing this idea, he was considering greeks, slavs, albanians, muslims, romanians etc as being parts of the hellenic nation, as, the only thing existing as a national identity in the region, back then was that all these people were opposed to the ottoman empire and rebeling against the local rulers who were under the sultans finger.

[@arbendit4348]

The Bulgarian national identity always existed, and we always saw ourselves separate from Serbs, even during the Ottoman occupation, this has been documented many different times. As well the Ottomans themselves considered as different even though they did not consider Macedonians different from Bulgarians. I think a Balkan Confederation of Sorts can occur between Bulgaria and Serbia based on the Orthodox Christian faith, and common interests. If Bulgaria helps Serbia reunify with Kosovo and Republika Srpska in Bosnia, and Serbs relinquish their influence over the Macedonian political leadership and help us unify with them.

[@porterhouse937]

Arguably the biggest proponents of a Balkan Federation were the Macedonian revolutionaries from the end of 19th/beginning of 20th century. Their ultimate ideal was a supra-national "Switzerland of the Balkans" Macedonia within a broader Balkan Federation. That was seen as the only viable and logical solution for the "Macedonian Question" given the complex ethnic and geo-political situation of Ottoman Macedonia.

[@porterhouse937]

To be more precise the ideal was popular among the Slavic (sometimes calling themselves "Bulgarian") Macedonians and the Makedono-Vlachos (Macedonian Vlahs) with Albanians from time to time supporting the idea between their chaotic revolts before the Balkan Wars.

[@JoeSmith-sl9bq]

There is no complex Macedonian issue. Its simply a fake country

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

True - in case you missed my video on Macedonia, make sure to check it out. I'm sure you'll find it intriguing.

[@porterhouse937]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ Thanks, with all due respect I found it underwhelming. You did absolutely no justice to the magnitude of the Macedonian revolutionary movement (IMRO), which I can honestly say at the very least was the most massive revolutionary movement in the Balkans in the period adjusted for population, estimating that 1 in 10 Macedonians were involved in some capacity with IMRO. Producing thousands of individuals who's understanding of geopolitics, diplomacy and ideology still baffles me when I see how unimpressive modern Macedonians are. The unique ethnic and geo-political situation of Macedonia at the time, which was perfectly well understood by the revolutionaries, uniquely dismissed any ethno-nationalist ideas and promoted ideas of solidarity between the various ethnicities as the only viable solution, that was again uniquely understood among the left leaning and right leaning factions of the organisation. Even those who identified strongly as ethnic Bulgarians, were willing to forego their ethnic identity because they understood an independent and unified Macedonia was the best solution for everyone living in it, as opposed of the country being carved up and the people ending up in as impoverished backwater provinces of the surrounding central governments.

[@porterhouse937]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ As a parting thought, I will leave you with two statements made by arguably the most "far right nationalist" scarecrow Macedonian revolutionary, which is no longer covered in Macedonian history books courtesy of their Serbian overlords. If the most far right nationalist had these ideals, I can only imagine what were the ideals of the others more centrist or left leaning revolutionaries: 1: We want Macedonia for itself, under its own flag, with its own coin, army, church and politics - in short - a united, independent Macedonia. This has been and remains the ideal of our people. In order for Macedonia to flourish, one cannot ask that Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, etc., to melt. And solidarity and equality between nationalities is needed. That is why we, who are making the biggest sacrifice with conviction (by refusing to join Bulgaria, even though we are Bulgarians), raise our voice in protest against all falsifications of history, of the people's past, of well-known facts. We remain until the end defenders of truth, justice and freedom, both today and in the future - Independent Macedonia. ---------- 2: "Macedonia, separated economically, could have been better than any other Balkan country. It could have fed a population three times larger than its own. It could have developed great economic power. Its population is considered the most alert and enterprising on the Peninsula without a doubt, a high material culture could have been developed in Macedonia, and the achievements in the spiritual field would not have been below those of the other Balkan countries. An independent Macedonia would have been larger in territory than Serbia before the Balkan War. While Serbia had 43,303 sq. km., Macedonia had 65,000 sq. km. For the Balkans, an independent Macedonia would have meant a guarantee of peace and progress. For Europe, this would also mean a guarantee of peace. For Macedonia itself, its freedom and independence would be a reward for centuries of suffering and countless sacrifices, apart from the fact that freedom and self-government are also its right.

[@BoomKing72]

Living ironically in Europe just dropped a braindead anti-Yugoslavia video. Even his subs aren't buying his takes. Would love to see you or Yugopnik take it down.

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

Retards fighting

[@eges72]

I was always suspicious from the start, his balkan history videos were quite bad, especially the bourgeois liberation movements part have a thinly veiled anti-Turkish and islamophobic sentiment.

[@DavidComrade2008]

I agree.

[@MaksFaks-kl1zj]

@@eges72 This has the same energy as a saying that Palestinians are carrying the "anti-semitic sentiment" when they say they want to free Gaza from Israel.

[@arbendit4348]

26:43 Bulgaria never had a "fascist quisling government". It was a monarchist regime led by Tsar Boris III. Also, I know this might have been a dark time for Serbs, but for Bulgarians it was a time of optimism and progress. Much new infrastructure, including Universities, Churches, Libraries, and Roads was built, the people were happy and satisfied at the unification of the region, we saw major developments even in those short years between 1941 and 1944.

[@mr.atomic2970]

Long live The Yugoslav Union. ✊

[@maskinisten019]

😂🤡

[@letlnee]

Fuck the Yugoslavia

[@LEONSKENNEDY91]

Said the Bosniak with the ARBiH flag, under which you voted to separate from Yugoslavia

[@rusvaj]

@@LEONSKENNEDY91 that was time of nationalism and serbs got just as crazy as everyone else so nobody wanted to keep yugoslavia which was still mistake but you realy cav't say he is wrong for loving army that saved his country from croats and serbs (me myself being a croat)

[@letlnee]

@@mr.atomic2970 FUCK YUGOSLAVIA STUPID SERBIAN EMPIRE NO FREDOM FOR BALKANS IT JUST SERBIA CONTROL THE BALKANS FUCK SERBIA ALL MY HOMIES HATE SERBIA 🇧🇬🖕🇷🇸 🇹🇩🖕🇷🇸 🇭🇺🖕🇷🇸 🇬🇷🖕🇷🇸 🇦🇱🖕🇷🇸 🇽🇰🖕🇷🇸 🇭🇷🖕🇷🇸 🇸🇮🖕🇷🇸 🇧🇦🖕🇷🇸

[@sez5435]

On a side note, this is what the EU should have been from the start, instead of just another tool for the imperialist core to exploit the periphery.

[@eges72]

Alter-globalization (Rather than anti-globalization) is the solution just like how you described. The post-capitalist west should use its power and stolen wealth to reconciliate and reconstruct their former victims in reparations.

[@Ashguy733]

The thing about the Tito/Stalin split was that the measure of distrust wasn't anything new and had been a fear that Tito had since the days of WW2. It didn't help that one of Tito's inner circle was a spy for the USSR and had actually planned to cross the border at a point that Tito had intercepted. Tito also after the failure to induct Collectivization in the Balkans, he recieved a trade agreement with the U.S. (mainly wheat) and begun the start of taking in foreign money as long as Tito opposed the influence of the U.S.S.R, not saying this was a direct reason, but Tito knew how to play both the Soviet Union and U.S. against another while getting Yugoslavia the financial aid it needed.

[@arbendit4348]

Yes, this is something this channel doesn't understand! Yugoslavs we're not the innocent victims in this split, they had their own responsibility for it.

[@Ashguy733]

@@arbendit4348 It had deteriorated since the 30s and during the war as well with the Yugoslavs already discussing their own path of socialism that didn't match the Soviets. It wasn't as heated, but there were tensions.

[@viking4476]

Yugoslavia was a country, as some historians like to say with the right to say, a country that was held with a firm hand first by King Alexander and then by Tito. The country itself had areas and peoples who had unprecedented differences in economic, social and political terms. There was a huge difference in terms of civilization between, say, Celje and Djakovica. Heaven and earth. For example, our famous scientist Jovan Cvijić in his famous work failed to somehow culturally connect Slovenes with other peoples. I think he devoted 5.6 pages to it, giving only a brief history of the Slovenes. And nothing else. Although there was someone who even participated in Versailles and was part of our delegation. The second problem of our disintegration was our, so to speak, exceptionality and specialness in relation to other socialist countries. It is true that it led to enormous progress and achievements in the field of culture and art. This was expressed so much that even in the Czech Republic and the Poles, who were on a much higher cultural level, they saw us as vanguard. Those good things are the offspring of nationalism and the desire of republican elites for their empire.

[@l5475]

Balkan Federation now!

[@ΣπύροςΑυγέρης-β1λ]

Yes Balcan Socialist Federation

[@arbendit4348]

24:30 the Bulgarians did not just "see the pact as an attempt to encircle them", part of the pact itself stipulated that all concurrent territorial boundaries will be maintained will not be changed, and also Bulgarian delegates were refused minority protection rights for Bulgarians in Yugoslavia and Greece. Also a part of the pact was the line that states "if a Balkan state aids a foreign state in an attack on another Balkan state, the pact would intervene against them. This line was specifically made to ensure that Bulgaria is kept in line and accepts the status quo with no rights and guarantees for Bulgarians outside of Bulgaria.

[@muffinfighter3680]

0:25 I think this is similar to the African continent and panafricanist movement in the 20th century. Sounds crazy today to many people but there were african revolutionaries who thought that an united Africa would be the way forward after the "end" of colonialism

[@RedHulh]

Ι love all Balkans countries from Greece!!! We should be united not fighting

[@arbendit4348]

15:40 Karavelov however also clearly believed that Macedonia was ethnically Bulgarian, and indeed the idea that it should be apart of Bulgaria is not based on past glories. What he meant by past glories is more likely the maximum territorial extent of the Bulgarian and Serbian Empires. I just want to point this out, since you seem to imply that he did not want Bulgaria to unify with Macedonia which you yourself have in the past labeled as an example of "irredentism" or "greater Bulgaria", when it is neither and is just a unification of the Bulgarian people which is a view that Karavelov wholeheartedly supported.

[@thiagovidal8972]

Communism is epic

[@maskinisten019]

Where do you live

[@nebojsabuhac1442]

The Balkan federation will be epic ;)

[@shadowthenemesis]

Dude the Manscape ad killed me

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Just trying to be creative lol

[@EugenIsHere]

24:34 thats the current map of Romania, in the interwar period it had S. Dobrogea, Buceag and N. Bucovina

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Albanians didn't existed in europe before 1040AD,when they have been importet from Dagestan,as soldiers for muslim army.And Albanians didn't lived in europe,until serbian king didn't alowed Albanians to settle in serbian Raban province.And Albanians have "Albania",only becouse they have stole serbian land Raban.

[@klodicaci4661]

I feel sorry for your brain damage. Hope you recover soon!

[@notvaas3093]

Hope you have a quick recovery lil bro

[@aarontheamazing1985]

Why would people hate this

[@xeon2509]

Simply it wouldn't work.

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

Because it would have been hell on earth with its capitalism and lowers and cosmopolitanism all in one country

[@aarontheamazing1985]

​@@elgoogelgoog9674 well what is possibly gonna work

[@Harinjo916]

Because several nations in the huge federation have committed genocide on other nations within the Balkan Federation.

[@zx921]

To put it simply, the reason why countries of the Balkans hate each-other is because when they gained autonomy from the Ottomans they were turned into client states for the Great Powers. This meant that as a Balkan nation you could gain much more by asking your sponsor for support in a war against your neighbor than by having good diplomatic relations with them. This idea appeared at first during the Serbo-Bulgarian war where the people did not understand why they were at war yet the Serbian king insisted that it was neccessary. This mentality was fueld by the elites for decades and unfortunately carried down to ordinary people of the Balkans

[@giorgiolodigiani1081]

Mazzini mentioned ❤ Greetings from Italy

[@janno288]

Opinion on project CyberSyn? Based video as always, keep up the great work. Please site sources correctly tho. Also how come your sources dont include post 1970 works?

[@Hemphunter94]

The vibe is really something special

[@georgios_5342]

21:49 BRO IT'S ATATÜRK AND METAXAS! WHAT AN EPIC CROSSOVER!

[@airrik2653]

Cool add around minute 7....😂 But seriously great program!

[@andriaqardava3766]

"Ethnic strife for breakfast again honey?"

[@Freedum34]

It was already United under the ottoman rule but you may argue that the Romanian kingdoms existed but my counter argument is that they were still puppets of the ottoman

[@jimatreidēs]

This can never happen, though, it might be a nice pipe dream. If the Slavic peoples of Yugoslavia couldn’t get along, what makes anyone think that a peninsula with diverse people, languages and religions could get along? The immediate question would be how will this Balkan State be governed? By whom? How would you elect the representatives? It’s a mess. You may say that Italy was fragmented and was unified, but there’s a huge difference between the italic peninsula and the Balkan Peninsula. The Italian peninsula’s regions all speak some variant of Latin and have a common religious and cultural identity more or less. It is not at all the same in the Balkans. One may argue that there is perhaps a common Byzantine tradition among the Orthodox peoples of the Balkans, but there is no common language, cultural or ethnic identity. As I said earlier: if the Slavic people of Yugoslavia couldn’t get along, there’s no way that you can unite the Balkans with so many other linguistic, ethnic, religious and cultural identities. Maybe a loose federation could be possible, though.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

Basically every country in North and South America is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial, and multi-national republic. It really isn't that hard if two entire continents can do it.

[@SimeoNjegovan]

​@@Abcdefg-tf7cuYou simply cannot compare grandmothers and frogs and expect it to be accepted as an argument.

[@e.rajmon3431]

HE'S BACK

[@mutecommercials]

A beer bottle says never.

[@georgios_5342]

Good thing it didn't. We the Greeks are a separate proud nation with our own long history and traditions. There's no reason why we should be under the boot of the Slavs

[@PP-hu9wv]

And when the turks attack you you gonna come crying "We are brothers lalala". We gonna remind you that when the time comes. In the video so far isnt mentioned that one ethnical group was supposed to rule the other, it is your chauvinism that makes you precieve it that way.

[@JeloGuy]

​@@PP-hu9wvThe turks will never attack Unlike serbs we can actually fight and win wars and not lose a chunk of our land You are the ones going ''we are brothers lalalala'' Russian puppets

[@ΣπύροςΑυγέρης-β1λ]

Ορθόδοξοι χριστιανοί είναι και οι Σλάβοι Απ'την δύση έχουν καεί τα γένια μας από το 1821και Μετά.

[@eliascorrea8573]

The manscaped beak read my damn mind 😂

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Lol sorry for that one

[@georgios_5342]

Sadly the Balkan Entente betrayed us when we needed it ✌️😢

[@toxicavenger-oz6tr]

will you make a video responding to lavaders video about you?

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Nah I ain't got the time for that nor does his "critique" deserve a response. It deserves a reading list for him and everyone who thinks he did something

[@ethanreighley1336]

Could Stalin and Tito have ever rectified? Market socialism and Non-alignment didn't do communism any favors. If Tito had been assassinated, would Yugoslavia have joined the eastern bloc? I'm just curious.

[@luckymetigaming]

If Stalin wasn’t a chauvinistic retard, maybe

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

7:01 Gotta say it is a smart insertion of an ad.

[@flavius5722]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 You have no idea what are you talking about First România was never part of this propose union ,as a romanian I can tell Second Bulgaria ask to make Macedonia a part of it inside of Yugoslavia ,while Belgrad wants to split Bulgaria in administrative zones and keep Macedonia separetley

[@Lucas_07-PL]

The amount of ethnic confluct would be apsolutly unimaginable lol

[@ravenouself4181]

Bold of You to assume that I haven't made 20 plans on how to bering forth the Balkan Federation. Alright, I jest... It's 31 plans. Edit: 2 things: 1. One could argue that "Unifying the Balkans" started with either the Roman Empire, or, more fittingly, with the First Bulgarian Empire. 2. All of the plans are peaceful, but have different routes. Thankfully, "Open Balkan" has made the beginning stages a tad bit easier.

[@alanbarnum3955]

Loved the video but the 1934 map just bothered me as you showed post WW2 borders as Bulgaria owns a part of Southern Romania and Romania didn't have Besserabia

[@alanbarnum3955]

I don't mean to sound picky

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

The former CIA agent Robert Baer has admited in 1999,that war in SFRYugoslavia was illegal war,started by Germany,CIA,and USA,with vatican's blessing.Same confession has give one french General Brigadir,and confirmed the same story.Thus,SFRYugoslavia didn't collapsed becouse of the "serbian nationalism" or "bad socialism",but becouse of NATO,who has trained nazi germany alies,like Ustasha,Mudjahedini,Albanians,and french nazis,for war against SFRYugoslavia.

[@pickthenick1]

Let's unite again in helping me grow my youtube channel 💪

[@rankoujkic4559]

No way Montenegro with these people with respect for Croatia of today

[@ΣπύροςΑυγέρης-β1λ]

Δυστυχώς τα Βαλκάνια είναι μια περιοχή σαν την μέση ανατολή όλο πολέμους και συγκρίσεις έχουμε η λύση θα ήταν για Εμένα Αν το θέλουν οι λαοί των Βαλκανίων μια ομοσπονδία δαν των ΗΠΑ ας πούμε εκεί πέτυχε εδώ και πάνω από 200χρονια Βέβαια τα Βαλκάνια είναι άλλη περίπτωση Εντελώς διαφορετη Αλλά άμα υπάρχει συνεννόηση όλα γίνονται.

[@eliascorrea8573]

Θα ήθελα να ξέρω τί νομίζουν οι έλληνες σε όλα αυτά τα πράγματα... Ξεκίνησα να δω αυτόν τόν Κανάλ με του βίντεο του σχετικά με την Ελλάδα τις κρίσης του 2008. Είμαι Βραζιλιάνος και έγραψα αυτό το μύνημα με πολύ δυσκολία, συγνώμη όταν είχα κανό μία κακή εργασίας! Να 'σαι καλά!

[@ΣπύροςΑυγέρης-β1λ]

@@eliascorrea8573 Να είσαι καλά φίλε οι λαοί της νότιας Αμερικής μου ήταν πάντα συμπαθείς και οι Βραζιλιάνοι φυσικά που είναι μια ομοσπονδία Εδώ και αιώνες είναι Και ινδιάνοι αρκετοί Είναι και άλλες φυλές βέβαια και είναι όλοι μαζί εδώ και χρόνια η Ευρώπη Ίσως να γίνει ομοσπονδία Στο μέλλον ποιος ξέρει.

[@revinhatol]

26:23 The eight-spoked wheel in the middle was supposed to represent Christianity, right?

[@THEzero139]

Poor decisions by Serbia/Tito ultimately cost this dream. If Serbia/Tito officially gave Albania: Kosovo > Albania would have joined Bulgaria: North Macedonia > Bulgaria would have joined Greece: Removal of the fake entity of North Macedonia > Greece would have joined

[@ogedits123]

Cope, Macedonians were the only ones fighting for the idea of a unified balkans

[@mikel9138]

Greece would have never joined, because they wouldnt benefit from it, also the sole reason why North Macedonia exists, is because tito had plans to invade Greece.

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

Tito was an imperialist and a capitalist if he was never in power it might have succeeded

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

@@ogedits123you guys didn’t exist until after ww2 y’all didn’t do shit

[@arbendit4348]

27:18 the Yugoslav partisans were not "offering support to all enslaved peoples seeking liberation". They were a communist guerilla that was sponsored hy the Soviet Union and supported other purely communist underground movements that were aligned with them. Including commiting acts of terror against civilians.

[@vietnamfnf6162]

Danubia mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Kingdom of Hungary is builded on stolen slavic land,that once was slavic Moravia.And hungarians has asimilated slavs,in order to create Hungary.

[@salonez91]

I dont care about how world views the Balkans. Their view is drastically influenced by recent and twisted narrative. I experience my Balkans as 1 entity, because i feel including Serbians and Albanians are actually extremely similar in every single way there is but language and even language sounds different but i came to conclusion its actually led by same logic. To me Balkan Union is only way of entire Balkans actually developing its own independence and prospering. Anything else creates conflicting results. Balkan to the Balkans is the only way, but must see downfall of nationalistic views and this will probably happen in 150 years from now in my calculation.

[@startledhamster]

As wheel of time keeps turning, this will happen sooner or later. This goes specially for Orthodox countries in the Balkans such as Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro. Of course Hungary are honorary Slavs so they will always be welcome. Basically EU is slowly crumbling and if/when it starts falling apart, these countries will feel the need to join hands in order to make sure that bigger nations/empires won't start picking them one by one. Not to mention that most of european trade goes through Balkans, and most of oil reserves of EU are in Balkans. So economically this would be a powerhouse - hence west will do everything in it's power to prevent this from happening

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Lets be careful eith how we approach this - there is precisely 0 reason to exclude non-Slavs. It shouldnt be another, merely larger pan-nationalist project but an internationalist and working-class oriented one.

[@startledhamster]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ I mean most plausible scenario for uniting balkans is along religious and cultural lines. Even though Croats are mostly slavs, they see themselves as part of the west and would rather join Italian sphere of influence. Bosnia and Albania would be worried that their cultures and religions would be in danger so they wouldn't be interested (note that Albania has separatis movements in Montenegro, Macedonia, Greece and Serbia/Kosovo), and I doubt that Turkey would be welcome as long as Istanbul is Turkish. Greece and Hungary are already not slavic but they might be interested, and that's all of the balkan countries. But generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with creating countries around people groups. Germanic peoples have Germany. Italian people have Italy. Franks have France, Irish have Ireland, English have England etc. We've all seen how melting pot experiment worked out in the west. Due to mix of so many cultures and religions it's super easy to divide people and use them for whatever political agendas. We can also see what's going on in France, Germany, UK, USA, most of them are on the brink of civil war, and why? If they remained as majority in their own countries, these conflicts wouldn't be happening in their streets now. So there is more than 0 reason not to have certain countries join.

[@eliascorrea8573]

It is rather a question of what the ruling class stands to gain from opposing unification and how welcoming they are to foreign intervention. Standing by is an action in it's own right

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Do you know how name Romania was created?It was created by the Rome as Roma Unia,as military district of Rome,for war against slavs.And do you know how name Bulgaria was created?From words Volga Aria,a russian territory,where slavic aryans has lived.But name Bulgaria was given to Avars,who was not slavs.

[@povijestpovijest9569]

All the maps presented during the first 16 minutes of this video illustrate why a lot of Croatians don't consider Croatia to be a part of the Balkan. When people started to using the word Balkan en masse during the early 19th century they were referring to those parts of Europe which were under the Ottoman control. Croatia was not a part of that group.

[@Moosemoose1]

Anyone know what the background music was in this video? It was great

[@arbendit4348]

34:02 Once again you are being dishonest. The reason the Yugoslavs rejected a Yugoslav Bulgarian federation, was because they didn't want Bulgaria to be equal to Yugoslavia in such a relationship and wanted complete control over Bulgaria under Tito. This is why they rejected the agreement, which was actually to the detriment of Bulgarian interests anway, but they still chose to reject it nonetheless, wanting Bulgaria as just another province, while Bulgaria gives up the entire Pirin region to Macedonization efforts. Also it was Stalin and Tito that pushed for a Balkan federation between Bulgaria and Yugoslavia. You lie when you say that agreements between Dimitrov and Tito happened without the Soviet knowledge, since it was the Soviet Union which ordered Dimitrov to give up Macedonia in the first place in order to achieve a Balkan federation. There is even famously a note from a speech which Dimitrov made, talking about the aspirations of the people of Macedonia, the initial draft called them "Bulgarians" but then that was scratched out with a pen in favour of "Macedonians", as those were the instructions that he received from Moscow.

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

It looks like Bulgarian nationalism, just like the Serbian one, persists and will not cease under a socialist context. I never said that Tito was not a buerocrat, I never implied that their plan or proposal was perfect, but it was by any and all means better and more prefferable to everyone opposed to the split that happened eventually. Also, "Just another province" in what? In a federation of equal and self-determined nations where Bulgaria would be in the majority together with Sebia. How is it even possible to keep regurgitating the same old useless reactionary points in Macedonians while talking about developing socialist socil relations? Is it so hard to see how incredibly reactionary it is and contrary to all notions of self-determination or progress? Edit: I am only now realising that you have nothing to do with Marxism and are a conservative nationalist through and through. Damn, that was a waste of energy

[@arbendit4348]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ 1. It is not nationalism to suggest that Bulgarians should be in charge of Bulgaria. This is a basic prerequisite. Ask yourself, what did Yugoslavia offer Bulgaria in terms of actual tangible benefits in exchange for joining this so-called "federation". They take land from Bulgaria in Macedonia, and they engage in Macedonization of said population, Bulgarians also now have no say in their own foreign policy and international affairs being under the sway of Tito of his party comrades. Bulgaria loses any and all semblance of sovereignty in that situation and gains nothing in return. A Bulgarian-Yugoslav federation maintains Bulgarian sovereignty and influence over its own affairs in exchange for this Union. However Tito wanted total control over Bulgaria and so he refused. It really is that simple, although you refuse to recognize this. 2. Bulgaria was a sovereign country even within the context of the Eastern Block with its own foreign and domestic policy. What was the foreign and domestic policy of for example Slovenia or Macedonia within Yugoslavia? The answer is, that there was none, and therefore those were not sovereign states, and indeed were just provinces. Imagine this unification did happen as Tito envisaged it. What was going to be the result? Bulgarians joined the Communist party of Yugoslavia, but because all of it's elite positions are already held (mostly by Serbs and Croats) there would be no Bulgarian participation in important positions for at least 2 decades until the current cadre retires. If it was a Bulgarian-Yugoslav Confederation then Bulgarians would actually be able to influence the future of the Union successfully rather than being pushed out in favor of the already established Yugoslav bureaucracy. 3. Is something really a reactionary point if it is the truth? Back when the idea of Bulgaria joining Yugoslavia was on the table, Georgi Dimitrov brought in professors and educators from Macedonian Yugoslavia along with textbooks that completely denied any Bulgarian character of the Macedonian population in Pirin. They also engaged in name changing of people to add the "Ski" after family names rather than the usual Bulgarian "Ov". This is just a historical fact. The only reason why the Bulgarian population in Pirin does not consider itself ethnically Macedonian today was because thankfully this Macedonization program ended after the Yugoslav/Soviet split. 4. I am a progressive social nationalist, not a conservative. I admire the Eastern Block as far it came to preserving the national identity of it's states and nations. Something which did not happen in the capitalist West. You however seem to oppose nationalism in all it's variants regardless whether it is under socialism or not. You would be better off openly admitting you are Trotskyite, since this is the only line which rejects any semblance of patriotism or patriotic feeling like you do.

[@throwaway7788]

@@arbendit4348brother I admire your effort but don’t hold your breathe , this guy has made anti Bulgarian propaganda videos in the past that still remain on his channel, he simply doesn’t like Bulgaria or the Bulgarians . Stop wasting your time with this guy

[@Caddiar47]

And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd been a car

[@grandmarshallkingwolfman420]

Zagrevev emin zlotny dev!

[@piotr_jurkiewicz]

*ah, Habibi, it was already unified*

[@EntDominion]

It would've been a horrific disaster...

[@lorenckotini]

just like jugosllavia

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Ah yes, yeah sure total logic, total logic, my country of Romania that had lost most of its able-bodied men in both World Wars, nearly managed to fix things internally, let alone a capable infrastructure would jon up in this Picasso-like system, also no, no you don't tell Greeks what to do, they are more stubborn then Scots,

[@flavius5722]

It may sound childish but România is to different from the rest of the balkan countries, mostly because is more carphatian than balkan

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

@@flavius5722 Were a Latin country, that should be the main thing people keep forgetting, were not Slavic, Uralian, as in related to the Maghiarian, the Hungarians, nor even directly related to the Greeks, Corinthians if your want to be more accurate

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Real name of "Balkan" is HELM,and name Balkan is turkish word for Hillish,as area full of hills.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

7:12 but can manscaped grow my patchy beard 😭😭😭

[@alesterwaltergate3780]

Long live Yugoslavia

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

no

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

You should ask real historian where greece was 2000 years ago,in planning,that is where.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

27:25 "aiding the establishment of Albanian statehood" What is this supposed to mean? Albania existed as a state since 1912, and existed as a state during the italian & german occupations as well. The Yugoslav partisans aided the Albanian communists in winning the Albanian civil war in 1944 and overthrowing the pro-german state, that much is true, but they were not needed to "establish" statehood. Since statehood had already been established. Very misleading phrasing.

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Wallachia/Vlahia is slavic name,who's name comes from slavic Vlasi people,and their god Veles.Who is god catlle hearders,and Vlasi are catlle hearders from serbia/balkan.

[@PP-hu9wv]

The balkans can be united ONLY if Bulgaria is the boss !

[@DxGamer6767]

The music sounds like from Suzerain

[@MrHorse-by3mp]

Well, they would have seriously kicked Hungary's butt for one thing.

[@georgesvetlozarov8797]

can anyone give me a source about the "Serbo-bulgarian negotiation about the creation of Yugoslavia" 9:33. Seem like an interesting topic

[@pandelik3450]

haha the separatist hungarians would be all of the balkans' problem then

[@renatopereira2315]

How could there be a union of the Hungarians didnt agree to it ? That would be a pre-requisite for any of this obviously.

[@CocoSon-we2rg]

@@renatopereira2315 No Hungarians.

[@ВенелинЦветков-е7п]

едно име пропусна !! Васил Левкси

[@arbendit4348]

35:41 Very ironic how you paint Yugoslavia as the victim of Stalin's "pragmatic policies with imperialists" while Yugoslavia just wanted to "avoid becoming economically subservient to the USSR". When it was Yugoslavia herself that traded and supplied massive amount of resources to the Western capitalist states as well as supported many capitalist initiatives including within it's own country. It wasnt the USSR that was pushing Yugoslavia away. It was the Yugoslav policies which pivoted either to America or the Soviet Union depending on what was beneficial to their own personal interests at the time, which pushed themselves away from the Soviet Union. Please stop playing the victim, because it does you no good. All in all, a very pathetic end to the video which blames "the corrupt bureaucratic Russia" against the "innocent intimate generous Yugoslavia".

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

The Yugoslav administration is by no means perfect or any less buerocratic than the USSR's. The point is that the clash between the two buerocracies, the Soviet one being bigger and more influential, caused a damaging crack in the Eastern Bloc and significantly diminished socialism's chances of prevailing. I am not a Titoist as I am not a Stalinist and never will be either, but looking at the conflict simply through the lens of Marxist-Leninist principles, the USSR wronged Yugoslavia because of small and minute disagreements and blew them out of proportion. Once again, Yugoslavia was socio-economically an almost identical copy of the USSR in 1948.

[@arbendit4348]

@@BalkanOdyssey_ In the same vain you could argue the exact opposite, as Yugoslavia did not want to work together with the USSR on many issues. But I digress, I made my point above.

[@beatlesfoxman9617]

Hey, the sources link seems to be missing

[@Polythinker]

We will have a very weak Serbia and, therefore,we will not have wars.

[@mimosveta]

ah yes, blame stalin for everything #rolleyes

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Not Stalin but the Soviet buerocracy as a collective force at the helm of the first and most powerful socialist state, of whom Stalin was merely a face and a captain. It was a systemic issue as issues always are.

[@sustavofring5696]

4:20 "hunagry"

[@Magpie_YT]

some of your opinions i hate, most of them i love, but this one right here is peak.

[@zhcultivator]

Please consider creating an alternate history video in which the anti-tsarist revolution in russia turns out to be a christian socialist revolution instead of an atheistic bolshevik communist one.*

[@JustL00kingYeah]

As a Bulgarian, im truly happy that we didn't join that madness called Yugoslavia.

[@FranceRev]

Based

[@JuanFranciscoErrobidartGornik]

Hoi4 players:😢😢

[@TylerChambers-yx2lx]

Do you know when the video on the failings of former socialist countries will be released?

[@zmejce14]

Nema odmora dok traje obnova

[@Jasmin.M-hz5ty]

Illyrian's/Iliri are serbs from serbian province of Illyria/Ilirija,who has get her's name from serbian god Ilija.And Illyrian's/Iliri lives in europe since vinća civilization since 5508BC.

[@tommyschmierer4627]

🫡💪🏽... ✌🏽❤️

[@trueordrue]

Nah

[@hyrulehollowtitan9657]

Le Epic

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

Albania did not like Tito for a reason

[@federal_kingdom_of_illyria2023]

Well, because Albania and Enver Hoxha didn't want Albania to be controlled by Yugoslavia, that is slavs the biggest enemy of Albanian people that suffered because of them.

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

@@federal_kingdom_of_illyria2023 compare Albania during Enver Hoxha and compare Albania now lol

[@federal_kingdom_of_illyria2023]

@Bruh-cg2fk Enver hoxha was better according to 60-70% of people in the recent years people ho like Enver Hoxha has grown because of the 34 years of no state.

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

nah Byzantine Empire better

[@croatianwarmaster7872]

Please leave Croatia out of "balkan" things. It's a misnomer anyway imposed by late 19th century imperialists. Southeastern Europe, east Adriatic is greatly prefered.

[@n1cks.365]

in the 70s in Greece the Communist party suffered a split between MLs and the newly formed eurocomms, forming two Communist parties. The classic ML KKE and the new eurocommunist KKE-Interior. The KKE-Int. had a youth orginasation called EKON - Rigas Feraios, having an idea of socialist panbalkan union. Not that KKE didnt want the same internationalist principle, but they were a bit more dureaucratic about it. The USSR didnt have good relations with Tito at the time plus after the civil war communists were called "slavs" and "slavomacedonians" because they fought in northern greece and established the Provisional Government there. Regardless i wanted to add this information to your video. You are doing a great job comrade! Solidarity from Greece, May our Balkan Brothers and Sisters Unite!!

[@mikel9138]

They werent called slavs because they established a government in northern Greece, they were called slavs because they were communist slavic seperatists.

[@redlion45]

From your comrade across the Aegean, may we one day have Anadolu Halk Cumhuriyeti, and have true unity with our Greek and Kurdish brothers

[@elgoogelgoog9674]

Never

[@n1cks.365]

@@mikel9138 wow you still believe that stupid propaganda? HAHAHA youre lost dude your lost

[@n1cks.365]

@@elgoogelgoog9674 why are you scared about? Albanians?

[@EasternEuropean1453]

Why no Hungary?

[@Hahndrei]

Too much time spent larping as Viennese?

[@redlion45]

Have you met a Hungarian?

[@John.J.Littlekross]

Не дај Боже

[@BalkanOdyssey_]

Uh koji uzas...mir i solidarnost, ne daj Boze pu pull