When The Libertines met The Strokes

[@doctornov7]

In 2018, when I first got into bands like The Strokes and The Libertines, I remember reading that the bands were compared a lot in the early 2000s and not understanding why; because on a musical level, the bands couldn't be more different, as Nick Valensi said. However, for marketing reasons, it makes a lot of sense, and I think it's clear that without The Strokes bands like The Libertines would have remained underground indie bands and never achieved anything close to mainstream success. I'm glad the boys rejected Gordon Raphael as that would have been tantamount to failure as well, as you say. Luckily The Libertines went their own way and are still inspiring people to this day, least of all me. Peter's writing and poetic spirit have been very influential for me as a writer and artist, with my music but also with how I aspire to be as a person. The Albion sails on course!

[@MarcoBoswerth]

Lol u discovered “the strokes” and “the libertines” 18 years too late and u call urself an artist? Ur prob a tik toker LOL

[@doctornov7]

@@MarcoBoswerth I was born in November 1999, forgive my lateness? Check out my music (Yonas Campbell), maybe you'll like it ;)

[@MarcoBoswerth]

@bigfishh heres a wild idea for you.. go to the bathroom and take toilet plunger and clean out ur asshole.. just started plunging on urself and don’t stop

[@peepeepoopooman-qs3jq]

@Doves thats amazing, were you in new york or the uk? i heard it was mostly only around there where the revival popped

[@joycey420]

There is a track called 'Skint & Minted' by The Libertines where their efforts to emulate The Strokes are very obvious. You could probably have chucked it on an early Strokes album and nobody would have noticed.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

The Libertines meeting The Strokes was like the Ramones meeting The Clash.

[@beaumill]

the clash are shit

[@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon]

In an idiot world yes

[@pulphope]

Something you missed out, and that i think may have been the same incident where Julian walked off after 10 mins, was that when both bands were hanging out backstage Pete asked if anyone wanted some crack, and that was when their camaraderie ended - Julian was not into that at all. It was either Carl or Pete who related that story, and it mustve been in an old NME as I havent read any of those books

[@22grandpod]

Yeah did read that in MMITB but didn't wanna mention it in case KZbin were a bit stuffy about it lol

[@deanmignonelli9316]

i love this channel! great content! right up my street

[@johnnyd1611]

The Libs don't sound anything like The Strokes IMO. The libertines are more raw and shambolic with deep, interesting and heart-felt lyrics. Where as The Strokes are much more polished and precise with much more focus on the melodic sound of their songs. Both brilliant bands but other than the fact they look alike and dress alike, very different.

[@kapr4s]

amen!

[@clydeg4274]

The strokes were the fucking best band.. that was really my coming of age music era I loved all that stuff

[@madprout3075]

Fan of both band. As Valensi said Strokes sound is tight, Libs loose. The Libs and Peter have this ability to create a universe and depth that the Strokes don't have. With The Strokes it's very straightforward.

[@saran5263]

No it isn't 🤣 strokes are more polished and refined. Nothing straight forward.

[@Lib94]

Great video again mate.

[@22grandpod]

Ace cheers.

[@Lib94]

@@22grandpod Just got around to uploading The Freewheelin' Pete Doherty album if you fancy having a listen to it again mate.

[@22grandpod]

@@Lib94 nice one, love that era.

[@Cactuspractice12]

I saw the Strokes and White Stripes in 2001 in London. White Stripes were incredible live - it was the De Stijl tour and they played a tiny venue in Camden. Didnt need tio know the songs to be blown away by them. I remember speaking to Jack on stage after they finished, which just shows how they were yet to blow up. Saw The Strokes earlier I think, at an NME showcase at the Astoria, few other bands played that night too. Nice, but I didnt know the songs and the sound was a bit dirgy. Got into them much more from their records alongside early Indie Sleaze stuff, electroclash anti-folk etc it that mashed together surprisingly well. It was quite literally years later that I heard about the libertines whilst at college, but really had gotten past that type of indie stuff and had discovered Drag City records, so just saw the libs as a bit silly. Also couldn't stomach the mockney 'lad' image they presented and their fanbase, who all seemed like bellends from Camden market. Have to admit today though that the libs arent as bad as I felt at the time. Fun band with loads of drama. Still think theyre bellends, but ive a soft spot for them now.

[@libertard6101]

I’m a Yank, Loved strokes!! But that whole romantic English poet thing along with the chaos that Peter caused was glorious!! In the end the strokes producer , Gordon was scouted and hung with the libs. Just read his memoir 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽. His Book sorts out all the ( strokes / Libs ) interactions. I think Peter is a true thespian and vaudevillian always recreating his existence and direction . Julian more concise and perfectionism in high order .👍🏽

[@peepeepoopooman-qs3jq]

you've read gordon raphaels memoir? whats it called? need to see it as a lover of the strokes and libertines

[@libertard6101]

@@peepeepoopooman-qs3jq Great read , The title is “ Whole world will love this”. Gordon very un aggressive laid back guy …. Great read if you a Strokes and Lib guy 🤙🏽…. Easy read check it out !!

[@8bitbaz50]

@@libertard6101 book ordered, thanks for the title 😍

[@stooooogs8763]

Gret vid and love reading all the comments

[@andlidearmadta9680]

The strokes were a perfect rock n roll band, but the libs were better than perfect, they were magical

[@Dr-Stu]

😂😂 if by magical you mean shite.

[@startervisions]

Go on

[@josemariarecalde9984]

@Astro Jenkins dont look back into the sun >> last nite

[@ddust102]

strokes were perfect for 2 albums

[@leecourtney1225]

@@josemariarecalde9984 Reptillia >> than the lot 😜

[@josemariarecalde9984]

Both pete and julian come from a similar sort of rich-military-mum-at-home upbringing, while looking at life through looking glasses, Julian in New york, pete in britain, both obviously big readers when young, and thinkers, they both worked in hospitality during their writing periods. Both drinking from the same fountain of velvet underground, oasis, the beatles and that whole mainstream media of the late 90s, both just learning to commjnicate Through phones etc, so a lot of common ground in that sense, both sort of observers at the big party that was the late 90s,and channeling it out (bartending, which both did, necesssrily makws you comprise informstion within a really short time frame in words). Pete's definitely more of a poet whereas Julian is more of a witty joker, obviously with the strokes coming in first a lot of lines unintentionally stay in the global imaginarium, as could be thelines like let me go in dont look back..., or "keep it together,... Life never ending" which definitely show in lyrics from the modern age byj the strokes, and others. So, both great amazing bands, Julian has more of a less cosmovisual perspective and goes into different branches of mundane life whereas pete is more all encompassing, which could maybe be tied down to pete growing more time in small towns

[@cobeyc.b5946]

Julian is actually rich, Pete is middle class. Pete reads, Julian drinks. Pete is happily married to woman his age, Julian is… google it. Very different people and in a way that one is a lyrical genius and the other is lucky to write a set of lyrics that doesn’t interfere with the music.

[@josemariarecalde9984]

@@sirjonestotherescue he went uni

[@josemariarecalde9984]

@@cobeyc.b5946 yeah so both economicslly well placed, and both to an extent clever lyricists, did you even read that I said some of the lyrics repeat themselves from band to band? like the other dude, really bitter people to attempt to try to ake credit away from either

[@mowad9405]

This is nonsense mate, oyu just made all those similarities up, not the facts, what u chose to present as their similarities, you could say most of these similarities u listed about all their same age group mates lol, and cmon man, learning to communicate thru their phones? Lol this is early 2000s, texting wasnt til 2008 proper lmao

[@mowad9405]

@@cobeyc.b5946 i agree pete is more into writers formally, prolly read lot of novels, but julian is the poet, he sings words his generation, something pete with all his love of words wasnt abke to do nesrly to the same level. But mayeb moreso for a brit since they were a brit strokes

[@paulwilliams4659]

When I saw the title I wanted to finish the headline. When the libertines met the strokes a lot of heroin was consumed

[@novafilmcompany]

The longevity of the Strokes over the Libertines and what happened to them says it all. The Libertines were a glorious rock and roll / punk flash in the pan fucked up by drugs in the end and a lack of inspiration. The Strokes were basically the Sex Pistols of that early 00's garage rock wave - when everyone went to see them and got inspired to do their own thing.

[@lochlannwass5038]

LACK OF INSPIRATION!!!! The strokes were rich boys from new York and were nothing like the sex pistols who were working class lads from London and the libertines are way more inspirational than you seem to think with albums like up the bracket not to mention songs like can't stand me, horror show and don't look back into the sun

[@deanmignonelli9316]

RIP Alan wass ! Pete you're better than this lot ! probably petes truest , best most loyal friend . #hiredgun

[@AM-ry4ri]

Bro’d out ya’kno

[@jacksonvega7751]

Proof that middle class lads could make legitimate rock n roll. Strokes are proper rich kids

[@danozism]

Cool video man. Have you read 'Bound Together', the Libs book from about 2005? It's hilarious. Anyway, I reckon 'Up The Bracket' and 'Highly Evolved' (by the hugely underrated Vines) were two of the great rock records of that time (2002/2003), that both still hold up well today. I think all those bands- Strokes, Libs, Vines, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, White Stripes, etc - they all had their own thing going on, and attempting to put them all in the same box sort of reduces the effect each individual band has, or had, as the case may be. It's very limiting, IMO. I saw the Libs in Melbourne in 2004, when Pete had been sacked. Carl and the lads played well, but it was awful without Pete. It was a more innocent time for sure, and everyone was very young, looking back on it now. There were no smartphones or social media, and the internet was still pretty new for a lot of people. Personally, I loved it, as I'm not impressed with what facebook and twitter have done to society. I don't think some kids these days realise how very different it actually was!

[@22grandpod]

Yeah i did read it a long time ago and the Time For Heroes one. Enjoyed them both but it's good hearing it from the horses mouth in Pete's book - still need to read Carls from a few years back. Is a shame Pete never made it to Australia.

[@9Sheep]

Much prefer The Libs. On all levels.

[@burniamartin7112]

Cool doc. I certainly loved both bands Ultimately I’d definitely say the strokes have given me more but when I was first getting into this music and fashion. Pete was a full blown hero to me when I wouldn’t say Julian was I love the loose way the lives play but damn they sound freaking horrible like 60 percent of the time. Babyshbles is great

[@tylerthompson1842]

The Strokes are infinitely cooler for obvious reason

[@shellbeach2322]

I think Julian Casablancas is on a whole other level. Pete Doherty is an interesting reckless dude that had a crazy life... ..but Juilan is a genius that changed the world...been putting out masterpieces for decades...the impact and longevity of the work he's done is just insane. A song like "Human Sadness" just blows my mind. it opens up a portal through music. And just as a person i don't trust Pete Doherty. But Julian on the other hand . his energy heals. his existence has helped my life alot.

[@elmosquitoes]

I TOTALLY agree, Julian isn’t even comparable with Pete. The strokes were so much more successful because the deserve it, all the albums delivered

[@erikrodriguez7476]

The libs son una banda increíble, pero los strokes son únicos

[@freechordsthetruthmarceden8277]

Magic comes around only but once, Albion 4evr 🌹

[@lukewhorriskey9450]

you alright

[@frankenviews4069]

The Libertines stole the Strokes whole aesthetic.

[@lochlannwass5038]

The strokes formed after the libertines in 98, and if anything, the strokes stole their "aesthetic" from the 70s, maybe a bit of 90s (just cause they sound similar doesn't mean one stole the other)

[@iamthewalruscuckookachoo1372]

After the death of Britpop young kids were screaming out for a new Rock n Roll scene to kick off and the punk inspired guitar bands like The Strokes, The Libertines, The Hives and Arctic Monkeys was what a young 22 year kid like me was waiting for.

[@eatass5627]

Are u like 43 now? whats it like

[@joelcrane9913]

The Strokes walked so The Libertines could run

[@amerLeVrai]

Libertines Team🇬🇧🇫🇷❤️🌹⛵

[@dyangordon6151]

I don't get the strokes..never did I never thought they where not as musically essential as everyone made out.. I mean take "last night" it is just the same old 5th chords and a bit of a solo then that's it,. as the libertines actully had unusual guitar lines,..they had this whole thing where you could tell they can play underneath an ashtetic that sounded amateur...punk amateur yes genial all at thd same time.. like they where locked in a room listening to their favourite records and beating their guitars into submission for an (their) approximation.. which was a lot more interesting to me personally..the two bands where not the same and I'm grateful they are not.. The white stripes got compared to the strokes at that time too believe it or not but even then I thought the white stripes where much more iimportant..I mean I a white boy selling blues to young people is one hell of a trick...what did the strokes really do??

[@johnentwistle952]

none of them is musically essential.. i just like the strokes better.

[@saran5263]

Strokes were better. They could make the simple complex and the complex simple. Head bopping stuff. They cared about their music alot too.

[@saran5263]

​@@johnentwistle952 not true... strokes were musically essential... You can literally read and hear important people saying the same.

[@clive_the_fat_cat]

You could ask john what he wants for dinner and he would probably give you a undisisive answer 😂

[@starshineraiser6729]

The Strokes must’ve tripped out when they heard Up the Bracket. One of the greatest albums ever created, by a mile.

[@JonJonJonJonJonJonJonJon]

Shows you there was doubt that bands could achieve something 20+ years ago. Now ? Not a chance

[@nomorenukes]

Pete was on crack, that's obviously not gonna go down well with The Strokes and their wealthy upbringing reservations (understandably so). I think if The Libs weren't as fucked up things could have been different. Love both bands. I just think The Strokes didn't want anything to do with the darkness and the heaviness the Libs carried.

[@isaakleillhikar8311]

The Parisians were talked about as the French Libertines, and they don’t sound like them either.

[@invertedcrown]

i love the 1st album of both bands... and not much after...

[@andrewbowen6875]

Can’t blame Julian for being wary of Pete. The first interview I ever read of the libertines was about a love of smack and crack lol

[@hernanbet7768]

🤘🏁🌏

[@LeoGladmanMusic.]

Both good bands but you cannot beat the libertines

[@static65days...]

strokes were a product band(good band)...but still product!

[@jonnywires11]

Pete became like sid vicious… a full on cartoon nob

[@lpmuzza3274]

The libertines are good but compared to the strokes 😂 not even close

[@lpmuzza3274]

@X yeh right

[@bendenator647]

Put some respect on Libertines name. Strokes are class, but the cultural impact Pete and the rest of the band had in England is huge

[@lpmuzza3274]

@@bendenator647 I did, I said they was good

[@Gino565]

@@bendenator647 Okay, but the strokes had a far bigger impact on music in general.

[@crapple009]

KInda reminds me of the old who's-better-the Beatles-or-the Stones? It's all subjective, kids. It's all subjective..

[@jonnywires11]

Nah. Sonically they’re a clash rip off band with Morrison/Morrissey cliché poetry

[@AC-eb9gp]

hahaha hell no, more like the buzzcocks slept with the small faces

[@deanviescas]

Pete is a genius libertines are a far better band but the strokes are also great

[@DrMattDestruction]

homeless people are wasting time begging for money when they could be volunteering in the community or creating businesses instead. let's change that with the Universal Basic Income. let's give everyone a guaranteed minimum income of $1,500ish USD/month.

[@finnmcginn9931]

I'm sure the homeless tweakers will be volunteering and creating businesses when you hand them free cash

[@DrMattDestruction]

@@finnmcginn9931 it costs money to volunteer in your community. And the rich do more drugs than the poor.

[@duffbaker9554]

I'd be totally all for that, especially considering the insane high cost of weed, tattoos, fast-food, taxis and entertainment these days..