when the sequel surpasses the original

[@ulischmidt03]

“you either die a hero or see yourself become a villain” Somehow, Doc Oc did both

[@TonyTylerDraws]

And then lived as a hero, too!

[@awuuwa]

So did Darth Vader at the end of the last movie. We don't talk about the sequels

[@jnnx]

@@awuuwa or the prequels.

[@jinsakai2047]

​@@jnnxrevenge of the sith is an exception

[@dcdodo2323]

ooph thats a great point, to see yourself fall but redeem yourself in the end...Molina played that part well, when he came to that realization before his sacrifice

[@thekronkueror7198]

I love that in the first two movies, Spider man’s villains were people like him with more money and experience and intelligence, men that Peter looked up to, granted great power who could not take responsibility like Peter. Really demonstrates how special Peter is in his world

[@monkeydude9192]

Not sure how much of it is "not taking responsibility" as much as allowing ambition to cloud their judgement to disastrous results

[@AqibA.C.]

@@monkeydude9192 Well I think they're one in the same at a certain point. Remember the first part of the line is "With great power..." so money, experience and intelligence are also of great power and to be used wisely. Ambition is only a small part of guiding that responsibility.

[@monkeydude9192]

@@AqibA.C. Well "not taking responsibility" implies that Norman and Octavius refused to admit any wrong doing, and that they're fully in control of their minds and actions, but the fact of the matter is that both are corrupted by their experiments. We even see moments of that remains of their humanity grappling with their respective corrupting influences, essentially "taking responsibility". Octavius even manages to momentarily overcome the corrupting influence of the tentacles long enough to control them and save the day.

[@RickFoxChicken]

I'm something of a scientist myself

[@Whiteythereaper]

The responsibility is by not letting ego take the forefront. Norman rushed the Goblin Serum into production which ensured his downfall, while Otto foolishly believed that his math was perfect and relied on his work alone to make his project a success. Both of them had gifts, but wanted to be at the forefront of their successes, publicly. Peter, meanwhile, hides his identity which keeps him separate from his success. He becomes a faceless saviour that can only have credit put on his hero identity. His responsibility is to save people with his power while not going too far as to exert his will over people and become a pre-judging vigilante, to not change the world.

[@smithsmithy7149]

I was the perfect age when Spider-Man 1 and 2 came out. I'm so happy they were part of my childhood. I'll always be able to go back and re-watch them and basically feel like a kid again.

[@isaiahvoss]

I was only 4 when Spider-Man 3 came out.

[@CinemaStix]

Same here. Like coming home, every time.

[@smithsmithy7149]

@@CinemaStix You get it. 😉

[@dvdtv1234]

How old I was 6 then 8

[@rhinuu045]

i was born when sm3 came out and i grew up on the first and third movies but never the 2nd sadly. it ended up as the best one imo

[@DannyStuart]

The unsung hero that I really wish you'd mentioned is the sound design of the mechanical arms. That metallic click-clacking is just so perfect and goes a massive way to giving them a feeling, texture and weight. It's brilliantly and consistently done throughout the film.

[@Dakurar]

When he says "Otto Octavius ends up with 8 limbs, what are the odds." is so damn funny, I don't think any other actor could've delivered that so perfectly.

[@BS-vx8dg]

Funniest line in any Spiderman movie. But I'm amazed how many people didn't see it that way. I've talked to people who said, "Yeah, that really *was* quite a coincidence, eh?"

[@iantophernicus6042]

Because I've watched the Cinemawins episode so much, whenever I see this scene I I stinctively hear Lee say '1 in 8?'

[@fionam7768]

Yeah, for me HE is the key to the success of Spider-Man: that character is so cartoonish, getting it right was always going to be vital because it is equally indispensable. Vital *and* indispensable?? Only one name, if two initials ....

[@nw4042]

Never tell me the odds!

[@johnpinneriv9958]

He was the PERFECT JJJ

[@henrykirk]

"Driven by science, bound by love" holy shit dude this line is amazing, well done

[@CinemaStix]

Hehe, thank you.

[@vjm3]

I did NOT know that last descent in to water scene was all CG. It looked real, and part of that was I wasn't _looking_ for the CG. It was so passable, I just believed it. That tells me they succeeded.

[@VitorAugustoVTR]

Something we don't see nowdays at all...

[@RaptorJesus]

Oh good, I'm not the only person who thought they just did an underwater shot.

[@Mlai00]

It's because how water exerts pressure on human flesh, can distort perspective, and how he's supposed to be dead, that his face can look slightly off and we still feel it's real.

[@RaptorJesus]

@@Mlai00 ...this is an excellent explanation.

[@jackyyk6371]

I was fuckin today years old.

[@maxthedog8559]

The real villain is Matt Lauer calling him an octopus

[@CinemaStix]

Yeah, seriously.

[@AdrianOkay]

When you're called Otto Octavius you're asking for it

[@007Julie]

He had no idea what he was talking about!

[@justus7650]

If he'd been interviewing Bill NIghy about Davy Jones he'd have been more accurate. And still wrong.

[@DJDB-Music]

You could've stopped at "The real villain is Matt Lauer," and you still would've been right.

[@J1283-s1k]

The difference between Otto's practical arms that required 16 puppeteers then and Otto's CGI arms now is truly palpable. Just another instance where although harder work, requiring more time and effort, practical blew CGI out of the water.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

I feel the same way about Jurassic park vs Jurassic world. It was magical to see the behind the scenes regarding how the dinosaur puppets were created and how difficult it was to get them to work properly. Stuff like this makes you appreciate movies even more. I won’t completely knock cgi because the movies still sued a bit of it, but certain films have been relying a bit too much on it imo.

[@J1283-s1k]

@@tiahnarodriguez3809 Can't agree more. It's difficult to express because, like you say, CGI artists work damn hard, but knowing the time, effort and creativity that goes into the practical, it's like that enthusiasm and passion spills into your appreciation of the effect.

[@nathonso_edits]

Not enough modern movies use practical effects for these kind of things anymore, the sequel trilogy of Star Wars (ignoring all its other flaws) fully embraced a lot of practical effects though that will stand the test of time

[@secondchance6603]

Having watched this video and not ever looked into the making of the movie, I've learned that what I thought was CGI wasn't and what wasn't CGI was!

[@aliensoup2420]

SM2 had both practical and CG arms. Generally the wider, full-body shots of Otto and the arms in the lab were CG arms.

[@pigpig252]

Those robot arms are some of the best puppeteering I've seen to date. Their movements are so fluid and "alive". Miles better than early 2000s CGI could possibly have looked

[@spinosaurusiii7027]

Well, as the video says, they are sometimes CGI. But it's used appropriately, and as such it's not nearly as noticable

[@chrisburns514]

I’ve been playing games and watching movies with visual effects since I was a toddler in the late 90’s. I’ve always had an eye for what’s in-camera and what’s cg, and I never once thought that shot of him in the water wasn’t real. Incredible work

[@CinemaStix]

I’m right there with you. Even by today’s standards, when it’s easier than ever to identify those shots in a movie like this, that one’s top notch. There was a lot more I wanted to say about how they achieved it, but I ran out of time :(

[@MinJungSòn9000]

@@CinemaStix can‘t you make a follow-up video for the ones that exceed 10 minutes? :( I love your work, rushed through your whole channel in a single day as soon as i discovered it :D

[@CinemaStix]

That’s amazing, I’m so grateful! Well, I’ve got two more videos planned just for this movie. So I might be able to put in some of the extra stuff from this video into one of those, if it feels like it’d fit.

[@mak_attakks]

Same. The practicals were fantastic, but they definitely nailed the cg for those arms too. Some shots it's obviously cg, but there are many where I still can't tell the difference

[@PeterSievers]

Agreed! It blew my mind when it was mentioned in this video. Thats amazing, considering it is nearly two decades old by now.

[@Whiteythereaper]

God I just love everything they did for Doc Ock. The puppets are incredible, Alfred is a wonderful presence and an excellent actor and the writing and effort put in make for a beautiful adaptation. I really wish they'd gone practical for No Way Home's tentacles as the visual downgrade in them is severely noticeable

[@zooomthesquirrel3707]

I even found no way home (and the entire tomholland Spidey) camera work for Spidermen swinging , a downgrade. Made me appreciate the original movies more.

[@filyp1984]

Alfred is massively underated as an actor. Two other amazing notes for him The man who knew too little. Maverick Those three movies are his best three

[@zacharyrollick6169]

CGI is a wonderful tool that has unfortunately been used as a crutch.

[@standandelivery]

​@@filyp1984 I always loved maverick and his role in it. It was iconic. Silly, really, for that role in an almost forgotten film, but he really brought him to life. Wonderful unsung actor.

[@filyp1984]

@@standandelivery not forgotten in my family.

[@JoshyHendoMan]

I think Spiderman 2 is the best comic book movie ever made. It had so much action, so much heart, and so much excitement. It was truly the best.

[@DaryonGaming]

agreed

[@Darkgnome]

I think it holds the 3rd. 1. Batman Dark knight 2. Ironman 3. Spiderman 2 4. Blade 5. Logan

[@lvirag8401]

absolutely. easily the best. probably avengers in second, simply because it could have been so fukkin' awful, but wasn't. dark knight was okay. after that, who cares.

[@sak1211]

@@Darkgnome Man Of Steel also bro.

[@franciscopetrucci]

@@Darkgnome To me, at least that Top 3 is indisputable, in whatever order you want to put them in. My nº4 would be Watchmen, probably. Yes I like it more than the comic.

[@sophiaisabelle027]

Somehow villains don't get enough recognition as the protagonists. We appreciate all of your effort and hard work.

[@CinemaStix]

:)

[@frankiefadda]

I think the reason they don’t get much appreciation is because we’re watching their choices play out and it’s more satisfying to witness success than decline. They totally deserve the recognition but our inner monologue keeps us rooting for the person who makes the right choices in the times where the villains make the wrong decisions. Usually the lines are blurred to remind us that we all are capable of making the choices that either the protagonist or antagonist makes, therefore resembling the human experience :) gotta love good writing

[@DarylBanttari]

The best, most memorable movies aren't the ones with great protagonists, they're the ones with the great villains. Weak villains make for weak movies

[@johnnyc.31]

That’s because they are not protagonists, but by definition they are the antagonists.

[@vylbird8014]

@@johnnyc.31 Usually. There are 'villain protagonist' stories, but usually it's done for comedy. And lots of stories where a protagonist who would otherwise be the villain is made less villainous by contrast with another character who takes the antagonist role - as used in every heist movie. It's fine for your protagonist to be a criminal, a thief, even commit a few murders - so long as it's made clear that their victims are all much, much more villainous. That way any immortal acts may be forgiven, and the protagonist may comfortably take the hero role. A Clockwork Orange is a good example. The protagonist is by no means a hero: He's a criminal, repeat thief, and eventually a murderer. He's the villain, and he loves the role: He /lives/ for the thrill of being bad. And unlike most such villain stories, there's no redemption at the end: He is every bit the evil bastard at the conclusion as he was at the start, and all the more so because he convinces others that he is 'cured.' But even though he is by no means a remotely good person, he still gets to be the protagonist of the story - and he even gets to take the sympathetic role by showing how a heartless, self-serving government seeks to exploit him.

[@batuchthebruh5165]

For me apart from Doc Ock, the train sequence makes the whole movie and makes the trilogy the best Spiderman movies for me. The world, the people react to Spiderman in a way that feels real much different from other movies.

[@franciscopetrucci]

Oh my god yes! That scene is the real emotional peak of the movie! its done perfectly. That scene with the hands coming out of the cart to hold Peter is incredible.

[@KKTunez]

9:13 I love it when the movie crew have fun on set, this seems like such a good memory and funny ass blooper 😂

[@acrostiic5623]

Wow, great video. I had no idea the last scene with Doc was CGI.

[@CinemaStix]

I didn’t either! Never would’ve even occurred to me. I mean to be honest I think they could’ve done that one practically if they really wanted to. But it definitely turned out right.

[@shoogamoogaman]

This was where No Way Home dropped the ball for me. Knowing they'd just gone "Eh, CGI is more advanced now, let's just make the arms completely CG" It just really robs something from Alfred's performance, and feels cheap.

[@CabezasDePescado]

It sucked

[@Comicbroe405]

@@CabezasDePescado If you mean them replacing the arms then yeah fs.. The movie, however, is pretty decent.

[@stardom2671]

I mean I get it sort of because it probably would’ve been harder on Alfred Molina’s back now that he’s older, but yeah it still sucks.

[@Dagrizzb]

It robbed the feeling of weight in physical space.

[@mortache]

@@Dagrizzb CGI is often much better than practical effects. So much better that filmmakers think just showing a spectacle is enough without good writing, and that's why we got burnt out of their overuse

[@DarkSyster]

I never liked Doc Ock from the comics but Alfred Molina did such a great performance, adding so much more depth to the character, he will forever more be THE Doc Ock to me.

[@0That_Guy0]

One of the things I love about these video essays of yours, is that it makes me appreciate the well crafted movies even more, and what makes them stand out. Sometimes I also don't understand the whole reason behind why or what I love about a movie, but when broken down like this many things start to make more sense. Thank you!

[@LeonardoKlotz]

I love when horror directors make superhero movies

[@zooomthesquirrel3707]

Reminded me of Aquaman

[@hagestad]

@@zooomthesquirrel3707 That lady was a horror in real life though not in film ;)

[@tydshiin5783]

Yea that fuckin scene at the hospital was pure horror movie

[@MalcolmCir]

I've seen this movie countless times-- and I didn't realize Doc Ock's tentacles were practical effects until just now. New respect for the team that made this film...

[@Rekaert]

The Spiderman films understood that a relatable and sympathetic villain is much more interesting than a simple evildoer who just loves being evil. Osbourne was a man losing the grip on his company and legacy, driven to extreme ends. But before the serum broke his mind he was a nice guy. He respected Peter, encouraged his ability and pushed him to excel and not waste his ability. Otto too, initially dismissive of Peter as just a student he had to entertain to keep the money man happy, soon found that he wasn't some random kid, but a student with serious potential who could engage him on the topic properly. What could have been a whistle-stop tour of the lab and a swift taxi ride home, turned into a multi-hour in depth discussion about the physics behind Otto's experiment, and even dinner as Otto's wife looked on with amusement at her husband's enjoyment interacting with Peter. He was a good man trying to make a difference. That's so much more interesting when they fall into darkness and end up being the antagonist. You want them to be defeated, but you want them to be saved too. it also helps they got actors as good as Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina to give them all the qualities they need. Solid movies both.

[@ryukoprop]

One of the best super movies, and truly one of the best movies in general. Sam Raimi is the man

[@CinemaStix]

Couldn’t agree more.

[@ExMachina70]

"To make each job as different as the last one"' Great line from a great actor. I always love actors who are willing to go outside of their comfort zone.

[@Chandro596]

Am I the only one noticing the background music? It's sick!

[@shahidvermont4001]

10:00 If you want to know, the song at the end is called “Tasia” by Gregory David.

[@TheSighphiguy]

a sentiment that modern Disney/Marvel has forgotten completely. "CGI should make the product more valuable...NOT merely more expensive".

[@ActorsWithIssuespodcast]

Molina was as incredible as he was not only because he was dedicated to giving a fantastic performance, but because he was clearly having a BLAST with this behemoth of a role. He was absolutely brilliant and one of the best comic book villain portrayals ever.

[@FASynergy]

The final shot of Otto drifting into the abyss is a spectacular CG shot for the time.

[@calmsouls4502]

I really liked how each arm seemed to have its own autonomy, its own decision making. Even though logic would say its just 1 single machine, one mind. The choice to use puppeteering was on point.

[@Kryptoniankousin]

I just noticed Flo is on Molina's right. If Molina is right-handed, I love the intentional or unintentional creation of a "dominant" tentacle.

[@RealCheesyBread]

One of my favorite things about Doc Oc in the movie is how he's actually a good guy and never stops being a good guy. It's just that the limbs AI takes over. In the end Octavius is innocent as he didn't anticipate the AI inhibitor chip being zapped.

[@Mlai00]

The AI isn't a villain either, it was simply pursuing its objective function it was designed with. That when "mixed" with a human psyche, the human behaved unpredictably and added his own emotions and rationalizations into its goals, isn't its fault. Something to think about when Neuralink becomes reality.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

PRACTICAL EFFECTS BEFORE CGI That's my motto

[@RaptorJesus]

I generally agree. But I think both work best when combined. CG can make practical effects more impressive, either by covering up slight faults or adding things into them that just can't be done practically, while at the same time a practical effect can give CG the sense of weight, scale and so on without requiring guesses or estimates on the part of the actors and digital effects crew. They should never be seen as opposing forces, where one somehow limits or takes away from the other.

[@asv2886]

These videos are so ridiculously underrated. Smooth narration, concise descriptions, fantastic and interesting behind the scenes footage, great topical points. And overall, enjoyable content!

[@CinemaStix]

Whoo! Although, I don’t think they’re underrated. I get way more attention for a channel my size than I deserve, honestly. Thank you so much for your comment. -Danny

[@ricklehtonen7523]

Every Frame a Painting. Saying that as these are very well done and narrated. A lot of detail and background. Like!

[@Figgboii]

Just watched your Spiderman Green Goblin video. Your style is unique and professional. I welcome these videos on KZbin. 👏👏

[@CinemaStix]

:D Thank ya! And also welcome :) I’ve got a lot more up, and a lot more on the way. I hope more that you’ll find interesting. -Danny

[@lorenzomeloni6088]

My personal choice as the greatest superhero movie character of all time, hero or villain. Molina's delivery of "listen to me now" as he regains mastery over his own mind and humanity sends literal shivers down my spine every single time. Something really powerful and profound happens in that moment, something very rarely achieved in movies or art in general.

[@raedwulf61]

I took my kids to see this. All these years later, it still comes up when we talk about great movies we've seen.

[@thechristopherous789]

The newer spiderman films are good in their own way, i feel like they nailed spiderman with Tom Holland and he feels like the star of the show. But the villains in these films were just unmatched. The Green Goblin and Doc OC really felt like the centrepiece of these films. Thats why these will always be my favourite renditions.

[@lp.shakur]

that got me thinking, you made a very good point here, Sam Raimi understood how a graphic novel works and really brought it to film, in the novels, it's about our heroes yeah, we see em hopping and flying around but the real center pieces of the novels are mostly the villains and their grand plans and schemes, that's what's missing today, so they really feel like expendable fodder instead of serious threats that have to get dealt with

[@KartarNighthawk]

Those films are at their best when they're being the tragedies of Norman Osborn and Otto Octavius respectively

[@gusvogt-shields4689]

Once I grew up and realized Sam raining directed these, I finally understood why the scene where he kills all the doctors was so scary as a kid.

[@leester9487]

Thank you for bringing this to us. It is awesome when the trifecta of excellent writing, acting and amazing special effects comes together. Doc Oc was portrayed as the villain you could almost root for. Like Sandman, he was as much a victim as a villian.

[@rafaelperalta1676]

Your Spiderman videos make me wanna rewatch the trilogy I enjoyed as a kid. Being an adult now would make me understand a lot of it more. Which kinda excites me.

[@billybussey]

In 2004 Columbia hired me to work on the promo material for Spider Man 2. I made animated desktops for the website and some other stuff. They asked me to make a 3d animation of the robot arms that played in a loop. I worked on some other movies that year but that was my favorite project for them.

[@tylerpool5464]

That's awesome I wonder if I saw any of your work as a kid

[@aditsapkota7862]

And they say actors and overall the movie industry is overrated and overpaid, just look at the insane amount of effort for the tiniest of details.

[@sdaisyclaire]

5:27 I just realized that even these look like tentacles

[@MrBratkenSolov]

Aunt May's speech about heroes has more soul than whole MCU

[@harryvendryes]

Alfred Molina is such a versatile actor.

[@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216]

Thing about the old filming was they didn't go full CGI so they have a look of reality better than what the joke She Hulk has become.

[@jerryterwase9027]

My favorite line ; "I will not die a monster"!

[@CosmicHyperburst]

This perfectly sums up why I love this movie so much. I was born just before it came out, and finally got to see it only recently since it made its way to Netflix. Before No Way Home and Into the Spiderverse, I didn't really care for Spider-Man, until Doc Ock showed up. Olivia Octavuis was my first introduction to the character, and as someone who was more interested in the art direction, I was pleasantly surprised that the quirky STEM girl was the main villain's henchman with some awesome robot arms. Then, I watched NWH with some friends and fell in love with Molina's version, so much, so I had to see the original just I could understand it, and watched the intro to the character and Horror Hospital. I love redemption arcs, and NWH did a good job at introducing the character and the situation he was in. You can tell he realized what he did was wrong (and, as I would find out, nearly catastrophic on a nuclear scale) and did what he could to help out. On the side of Practical FX, I love Little Shop of Horrors, especially for its use of complex puppetry and how they worked around it, so seeing big, mechanical and most importantly REAL arms physically on an actor just makes everything so much more realistic. You could feel the dedication radiating from the screen, and I enjoyed every bit of it. On the visual effects side, I'm sure those who watched the film on TV at the time probably thought a lot of those CG shots were real; I watched Otto's death on a smart TV and thought it was real; the only thing I thought was weird was his hair. Molina's Doc Ock as a character is one of, if not the best combinations of ingenuity, talent, villainy and humanity in pop culture, and it is a shame how films nowadays (not even just superhero movies) have replaced that passion for what sells. There's a reason why they used the human octopus as a main selling point - he (and by extension all the people who created him) deserves it.

[@bobsmith-wg9fz]

Nice video...I personally worked on the EFX crew for the miniature shots of Doc Oct's lair, the destruction and sinking parks along with the end part where the power station tumbled down the pier

[@sunumaudio]

😮 this is so cool. Id like to hear more about your expierience with the movie!

[@d1m5um]

Great video as always, but DAMN that transition from Doc Ock picking up the tritium to the reveal of your channel title was spectacular!

[@MrDomq22]

I see Spider-Man 2 on the thumbnail and I click as fast as possible. Simple. Love this work, man 🤙

[@CinemaStix]

Heck yeah :)

[@chelseybrown2334]

My god I thought the arms were CGI. THEY look AMAZING

[@qayssarjrd5399]

Nearly 20 years later and it’s still one of the best superhero movies of all time

[@DaniG._.German]

I always thought that Molina was dropped into a water tank and they filmed him sink to the bottom.

[@WTF1035]

Harry, Larry, moe and flow is such a nice name for the arms

[@PTFVBVB]

The fiddler on Doc Oc's roof is such a wonderful clip

[@MrJgracias]

Such chill in this video.

[@drowningpooralice5505]

I remember the first time I saw this, when the arms join him in mourning it really got me, I knew this wasn't just an action movie.

[@PewDiePie777]

7:28 Simply gold.

[@marvinfloeb]

The best Spiderman movie period.

[@MrB10N1CLE]

And here I was wondering how well those "CGI" arms aged. The puppeteers killed it

[@GabzAugustoBR]

What I dislike about the second movie that really threw me off rewatching it was the CGI. The rest: perfection

[@Packitagain.]

I was an incredibly lazy student but Ive always been "smart" or at least told I was and Otto's admonition to Peter "Brilliant but lazy." always really hit me hard especially the second time he says it when Peter unmasks in front of him. Something about the way he gives that half smirk of recognition always wrenches my gut and starts my lip quivering right up until he says "I will not die a monster!" then I shed a few tears.

[@johnschuh8616]

One of my all-time favorite movies out of thousands I have seen.

[@Nellak2011]

I love how Doc Oc can take shots to the face by spiderman, so realistic.

[@iainmaclean4872]

well we all know spiderman always pulls his punches, and i bet he'd pull them even more if he knew who he was punching, like doctor octavius

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@@iainmaclean4872Will you stop with that? You gotta purposely numb your brain to believe that a super human is pulling their punches to this degree. 1. Spidey crushes your skull with a punch 2. Spidey holds back, but still 1 shots. You don’t take more than 1 punch from a guy who can lift and throw tons.

[@opedromagico]

Bring back practical effects 🙌🏻

[@hank2188]

Spiderman 2 is still my favorite out of any movie adaptation of Marvel characters

[@MojoMachin3]

This was the first movie I ever watched in a cinema. I love it for that, the nostalgia and the simple fact that in my opinion it is one of the best superhero movies of all time.

[@jimmycorn6255]

SO excited for another cinemastix, thank you :)

[@CinemaStix]

:)

[@CinemaStix]

What’s your favorite scene from Spider-Man 2?

[@isaiahvoss]

Either the train scene with 2.1 extended or Peter turning Otto back to good by not having him listen to the arms. A bonus is in Spider-Man No Way Home when Peter (Tobey Maguire) meets Otto again after he grew up.

[@salty_deez]

When he said its morbin time. Unforgettable.😩

[@nerdstudent8852]

Operating room, it's got horror vibe all around it, just add some blood splats then it will turned as horror movie scene

[@A.l85]

The scene on the train, when Peter Parker tries to stop the train before it crashes through the fence, and all the people there try to protect him from Doctor Octavius

[@king0vdarkness]

it has got to be the train scene

[@nickpapadopoulos6973]

beautiful video esssy. Thank you for making it Molina Raimi and Dykstra deserve all the praise for it truly ahead of its time.

[@Lamtitude]

Practical effects are a lost art. It’s a real shame how much passion has been lost in Hollywood.

[@AayushDBappa]

I watched this lovely again a couple of days ago, great timing!

[@k2sworld]

Spidey 2 is the best superhero movie ever made.

[@Badchi]

4:23 to you he's a comic book author, to me he's the papa of Babylon-5, the best god damn tv series in history

[@CinemaStix]

Word

[@andrewspielman1921]

The VFX really hold up well and huge thanks to the practical effects where possible.

[@roybatty-]

With great power comes great responsatrilitrance.

[@amorphousblob]

The action set pieces in this movie were amazing. They actually went all over the environment and used everything in it, ie. the fight on the side of the building. In too many modern superhero movies, they're just coasting over their surroundings and indiscriminately breaking things in a detached way. I also love how they don't choreograph Otto as a villain right away; there's no cheesy "dun dun dun" stuff happening. He's just a standard character which makes everything more tragic.

[@AkatsukiClash]

Great, great video! Great writing and observation. Thank you for this.

[@CinemaStix]

Thank YOU for checking it out. Just glad people are enjoying it. :) -Danny

[@TheAnxiousOwl]

I was told the inhibitor chip had a history regarding being a salvaged piece of equipment from Ultron in the original comic. Now I'm not a complete spider-nerd or marvel nerd to waste my time skimming through a comic for truths but, regardless of that inquiry, I think that idea is extremely perfect depending on the timeline being set in stone or split.

[@damienkakoschke3099]

Doc Oc's arms were incredibly emotive, they really were characters themselves & that made such a difference.

[@R3TR0J4N]

2:30 ....after this many years, i jsut went in sudden full awareness that his called "Doc Oc" for having 8 limbs; 4 metal arms + 4 human limbs = 8... wtf brain

[@Zombiesnyder13]

LAURA ZISKIN was the only one capable to save this movie from AVI ARAD After she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1, there was nobody else to stop Arad from ruining everything May she rest in peace

[@wilsonwijaya.design]

Can't wait for a multiverse version where Dafoe plays as a doc ock variant 🤣

[@AgentPigeon182]

You’ve become one of my favorite KZbin channels in recent memory. It’s rare to find a channel that talks about films to do so in a way that feels refreshing, even when it’s something we have already heard of or already know. Thanks for the great content ❤

[@CinemaStix]

I’m so glad you’re enjoying it! When I learn something new about a movie I’ve loved for a long time, I just assume there must be other people in my position, and why not share that information as best I can. So. I’m happy it’s reaching the right audiences :) -Danny

[@HeadbutKneecap]

You can tell you can tell how well he worked with the puppets because as soon as he started singing they started snapping to the beat.

[@RightBoyKA-POW]

I wish Doc Ock had survived in Spider-Man 2 and became a good guy. Then imagine in Spider-Man 3, Harry is the one in danger instead of MJ, and Doc Ock comes along with Peter to help him save Harry.

[@andytay5507]

it dawns on me that perhaps he's one of SMs greater nemesis' since he is so similar (8 arms vs 8 legged spider).

[@PatrickWDunne]

Probably my favorite superhero movie to this day!

[@empatheticrambo4890]

I feel silly for not thinking about this sooner, but both spider and octopus have 8 limbs. I can only imagine that parallel was meant as well

[@EnslavedLonesoul]

I knew allot (but not all) of this, because I was obsessed with the first two movies as a child. Those four arms really felt like their own characters. And I really missed the practical 4 arms in " no way home" you could see and feel the difference.

[@giovannimartin3239]

And the CGI still looks better than what wwe have gotten from superhero movies since

[@noelarmstrong2780]

10 favorite sequels 1)The Dark Knight 2)Spider-Man 2 (Obviously) 3)Star Wars Episode 2 (Prequel Trilogy) 4)Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (Prequal Trilogy) 5)X-Men: Days of Future Past (Prequal Trilogy) 6)The Bourne Ultimatum 7)Captain America: The Winter Soldier 8)The Godfather Pt.2 9)Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure 10)Ocean's Twelve

[@seanfranklin3160]

dont know how i feel about the love music 1:43 some tentacle action lol

[@Beery1962]

Alfred Molina is one of my favourite actors. He's lit up so many of my favourite movies and TV shows: Raiders of the Lost Ark, Enchanted April, Ashenden, Spiderman 2, Species. Everything he's in is better for it.

[@TheAlison1456]

8:40 it's still cutting edge, honestly. We just don't get CG this good today. Wonderful vide

[@sunumaudio]

Ottos character for me is one of the most tragic and loveable characters in any movie I've ever seen. His scenes are so memorable and heartbreaking. Spider-Man 2 is a S tier film.