When will Chelsea be good again?

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Chelsea are sitting mid-table far behind their London rivals Arsenal and Tottenham. It seems like Pochettino's appointment and Todd Boehly's big spend at the start of his reign hasn't worked out for the Blues. But where do they go from here?
Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie are joined by Liam Twomey, The Athletic's Chelsea Correspondent, to figure out when Chelsea will be good again.
This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
00:00 Intro
00:28 What are Chelsea right now?
03:29 What is Chelsea’s tactical identity?
08:55 Is Pochettino’s job in jeopardy?
12:26 Evaluating Chelsea’s players
19:39 The problem with Moises Caicedo
25:37 Is Ruben Amorim the right fit?
30:23 Who else?
32:25 Squad Issues
38:35 So when will Chelsea be good again?
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[@TheAthleticFC]

What team shall we breakdown next week? (That's right, long form is back on the menu, team) 👇

[@thierryhenry674]

When will Chelsea become good again? Three steps. Hire a modern tactician who has previously learned from PepGuardiola. Buy technical, skillful and silky players under the tiki taka framework. Don’t buy physical or athletic players. Develop the academy into the next LaMasia, just like what ManCity did. Teach them tiki taka football, skill moves, and complex tactics at a young age.

[@patrickevans2041]

Could you maybe do a round up of smaller clubs? Brighton, Fulham, Palace, Wolves etc. Would be a shame to solely focus on the traditionally big clubs

[@pubba9566]

wolves 🙏🙏

[@lordvader4746]

Real Madrid: what will Mbappe do to the squad's balance?

[@AmiteshMishra-yh3jo]

Wolves, Bournemouth, Luton, Bayer Leverkuson, Arsenal OOP

[@chrisfraser5088]

I mean…have you guys ever considered doing a weekly podcast? I bet it would be massively popular 😏

[@meeds7473]

Could name it after the choreographed displays fans often do at football matches

[@chrisfraser5088]

@@meeds7473 absolute genius! It’s sure to catch on 😏

[@gentleken7864]

After seeing this it's obvious why it was canned. The Athletic clearly just want serious, boring commentary. Hearing Adam Leventhal as the host of the Athletic stuff backs this up. You can see in this episode Joe is keeping a lid on it and the other two are following. Real shame. They should bring back the podcast as a rival to the Athletic.

[@Nathan-tw6vf]

@@gentleken7864 Honestly is a massive shame, the Tifo Podcast in its current form can be informative but I feel it is mostly quite boring.

[@mourningireland4560]

If the Assletic owned a football team it would be called Real Shame.

[@josiahchudleigh6801]

It's been a long time since we've heard the dulcet tones of Joe Devine!

[@lancesebastian4989]

Yaaaay

[@robertpethick1270]

Joe Devine!!!!

[@fullydavid]

Or the Divine tones of Joe Dulcet

[@wesleyhalverson1758]

I've missed his warm hands and cool embrace.

[@brun4775]

Bring back Tifo IRL!

[@stepovermike]

Excellent video but special mention to Joe, who is always sorely missed from discussions like these when absent. The analysis from John is superb, but Joe's levity is what humanises these long-form chats. The common folk like me always love someone like Joe chiming in with 'and that's not good is it John?' to make me chuckle and helps keep the discussion grounded and flowing without wandering for too long into the analytical deep end. Please encourage more warm hands and cool embraces.

[@jpquinn1989]

Please, for the love of God, someone at the Athletic pay attention to this!

[@progrockertom]

@@jpquinn1989 breaks up the anti-man utd crowd at Athletic. Chelsea get a much easier ride...

[@PinakKashyap42]

Oh how I missed his warm embrace

[@HerrCron]

And his cool hands

[@PinakKashyap42]

@@HerrCron I think it was the other way round 😅

[@theblackswordsman9951]

Yeeeeeess the boys are back with a long form video

[@Lfcme]

Long form videos with the whole gang is a great start to get back to the good old days. Seeing Mr Devine back on my screen is always a pleasure too Hopefully there's scope for less... Serious tone? This has the atmosphere of a quarterly financial update when we know they can be silly, funny, and educational at the same time!

[@meabh4877]

yeah felt like there was a director standing behind the camera just staring at them so they don't veer off topic

[@Ali-lc7vp]

In fairness, and no disrespect to him, that often happened when Jon Mackenzie was given more time to talk, but agreed.

[@addy5572]

Yeah tbh it seems like they are determined to not listen to the fans

[@samde9922]

Yeah it seems the athletic prefer the very serious discussions about football, tifo podcast was far more engaging

[@meabh4877]

@@samde9922 yeah im honestly confused at this stage why they bought out tifo, that is other than taking a competitor of the market, like if your gonna gut it and turn it into the athletics video department, why bother

[@Flash4ML]

The man, the myth, the legend. Joe Devine

[@EMAH669]

Finally an old school Tifo video, you redeemed yourself Athletic, if that is your real name

[@TheDangermau5]

The JJ / Joe / John / Guest dynamic is great. JJ with the chaotic energy, Joe with the levity and John keeping it insightful works so well, and it’s those parts working in balance that made Tifo so great

[@davidkao]

I like to think of them as a really balanced three man midfield: John as the dry, tactically astute anchor, joe as the gallivanting 8 crashing the box, and jj as the chaotic destroyer. I also like to think of the athletic-tifo acquisition as the Todd Boehly era that messed with the chemistry and changed formats way too frequently.

[@fredisazombie]

we missed you joey

[@Taidgh17]

This could make a great podcast

[@W_CPT]

Joe Devine’s voice should be narrating commercials for male-luxury perfumes. It’s soo smooth.

[@ashtonndlovu9470]

His voice is quite DIVINE u may say 😅

[@seanfreimond]

For a programme including Joe Devine, JJ, and Jon, this was too much like a proper football podcast for my liking

[@hansfridge]

Loved the episode but the branding isn't distinct enough from the main athletic channel. I nearly scrolled past this thinking it was a normal video version of The Athletic podcast

[@jourdanjackson5365]

Same

[@victorvelasquez1482]

Longform videos are back THANK GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@fullydavid]

That's a really interesting point from Jon - that the 'underlying numbers' argument might not be right because teams with good players *will* tend to have good underlying numbers simply because they're likely to be doing the things that get the numbers - it doesn't mean that they'll be coherent as a team. I'd love to see a piece picking apart the effect of the stats revolution on football - where the stats don't capture the reality, how they've warped football, what the long term effect will be. I have a fear that we'll see fewer and fewer really genius players coming through, because any high risk play will be coached out of them. See Grealish at Man City, a theoretically 'better' player but far less thrilling than at Villa. Imagine that effect but starting in the academies - and everyone playing percentages all the time. I feel like we don't see many of the great moments of instinctive skill that made football amazing, like chips from the edge of the box, because they're so low probability.

[@brzt4256]

Interesting point. I think you're right, but what would you do as a manager or youth team coach to change that? If you tell the kids to do more low-percentage shots they're more likely to lose games, which might jeopardise your job. Also agree with your initial comment about what Jon said, this is called Goodhart's law: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".

[@gomeze8230]

Asking Jon to talk about the inefficacy and misuse of stats? How cruel

[@fullydavid]

​@@gomeze8230- then next week - "why pressing is overrated"

[@dmoloney3824]

Joe Devine in the flesh?! My weekend has been made

[@soronprfrbs]

It's great to see/hear Joe in group discussions like this again. The gang is back together! Would love more content with you all chatting old school Tifo style.

[@dot4207]

I'm proposing a video series idea - a spotlight on often overlooked teams such as Fulham, Luton Town or even championship clubs like Ipswich Town, showcasing how they can rise into top teams. It can help us understand the small scale structures and the inner workings, often challenged by limited resources. This way, the Athletic can enhance media equity. While content focused on the top six clubs may draw views, as an established media house, I am sure The Athletic has the expertise to innovate and engage audiences with compelling stories from less prominent teams. Also, I would love to see videos covering women's football because I believe the content quality here can attract an audience for it.

[@karl_franks]

it's a shame given how much women's football has grown in popularity over the last few years they haven't capitalised on it, their coverage on youtube seems to only ever be a handful of videos around major tournaments

[@oscarx-ray3545]

Your premise (which also wouldn't be popular enough to drive engagement) falls at the first hurdle; "a spotlight on often overlooked teams such as Fulham, Luton Town or even championship clubs like Ipswich Town, showcasing how they can rise into top teams" A two second video of Jon saying "They can't" into the camera isn't really going to generate revenue.

[@dot4207]

@@oscarx-ray3545 I assume your reply is sarcastic. However, if it is serious scepticism, I believe they can on receiving adequate resources. Media attention is one of them. I should have used the phrase 'rise into successful teams'. Because success varies in form. A team's story of avoiding relegation is equally interesting as that of one winning a trophy.

[@dot4207]

There might be a concern about the initial revenue. However, the potential for long term growth and positive impact is immense. It begins with creating sustainable and inclusive content. Gradually, it will appeal to a wider audience and attract new fans, sponsors and generate new revenue streams. The reputation of the brand will enhance, on its commitment to equity, and will help them appeal to socially conscious consumers.

[@robclarke6273]

There’s a large Tifo shaped hole in my podcast listening heart. Bring back the old format. ❤️

[@arpitsultania632]

great to see Joe devine back, thanks AthFC.

[@addy5572]

Thanks athletic for our crusty morsel of bread. When we used to get loaves every week

[@ionatom100]

More of this please. Great to have the old gang back doing what they do best 🎉

[@msives]

thank god for informed, tactically astute commentary on Chelsea's problems...rather than screaming 'get Poch out!!'

[@fortis17]

Exactly! Those short-sighted takes have gotten old.

[@ryanw2170]

@@RS-vy9qv​​⁠absolutely no idea what fantasy world you’re living in and where you’re pulling these numbers from. Please let us know where you’ve found the £770m total? Why do you think you get to exclude players who you deem not ready for first team football from money spent? And there is a 0% chance of getting £100m for Broja, Maatsen and Chalobah. Latest was that Boehly would accept 21.5m for Chalobah and Maatsen has been quoted at 30m - you believe Broja will fetch 48.5m?

[@2639theboss]

​​@@ryanw2170The net spend isnt 1b euro. Hes right. Thats the way its reported because it draws the most clicks, but its not accurate. The costs are amortized, which no one seems to understand what that actually means despite being a very simple concept. So including player sales, theyre probably actually running at a profit on players on both a cash flow and accounting basis. They wont be for long if they keep it up, and those yearly transfer payments are going to make future purchases virtually impossible for like the next five years from my understanding of the installments owed, but thats not the topic. Weirdly. No idea what else hes on about though. Poch looks tactically incompetent, if i was getting fucked as hard as Enzo and Moises are in that midfield, i wouldnt be on youtube. Not sure why youd exclude injured players or youth players from their spend, its still part of their spend, and ironically im pretty sure those are the ones that were flat fee. No way they get 50 of anything for Broja. So the rest was def nonsensical.

[@Bigcrooks]

@@ryanw2170maatsens release clause is literally £35m and Brojas quoted price is 40 and Chelsea could easily get 25m from chalobah also they have already received loan fees for both totally 6m that’s easily over a 100m

[@couturecriminal8330]

POCH OUT

[@eh1095]

Literally the perfect video, exactly what I want to watch

[@gror7849]

I missed this John, JJ and Joe format! A bit less fun that we are used to but great to see them together! Maybe the producers/bosses from The Athletic will let them add a bit more fun to this and you have a perfect football podcast!

[@ckaledin]

Here I am, a Spurs fan, watching this episode on Chelsea... such is my thirst for the dulcet tones and warm embrace of Joe Devine!

[@alexjp123]

Glad the Athletic have realised that Joe is an integral part of why Tifo was successful in the first place. Hope to see more of this format again

[@MystClips]

Long form vid + Joe Devine Thought it would never happen again, Im happy :]

[@mig539]

Finallyyyyyy the podcast is back

[@Rileysteros]

Oh how I've ached for the warm hands and the cool embrace of Joe Devine...

[@benharmon7369]

Really enjoyed the video. Love having Joe, the bull, and the goblin king all on at the same time. Always fun and educational!

[@WeabooMilk]

The cutaway to Alex's segment about Ruben Amorim was pretty smooth, more of these videos please 🙏

[@AnomalyAFC]

Nice to see the lads back together, one of the best football channels on youtube 😂

[@TattooedMilk]

It feels like I'm seeing a passed loved ones face in a crowd. The tifo podcast, as beautiful as the day I lost you.

[@soumitratarafder8641]

I needed your analysis, thanks 💙

[@grady.b]

really appreciate the long form video ! keep up the great work guys 🙌🏻

[@user-ty4mm5ln4n]

having long form content with the gang back together genuinely made my week. cheers lads

[@ChelseaSaint]

Brilliant We need more of these

[@victorsenn967]

I have commented on three videos in my KZbin life, your last podcast, a long form you did shortly after ending the podcast and this one, all to say keep or bring back the podcast! I can only imagine how difficult putting together the podcast is so I understand if you can’t do it but if you can, please do!

[@tianruixiao9239]

Oh how I've missed Crow Devine's warm hands and cool embrace!

[@aka_jr]

Let’s go, Joe Devine!!!! We all hope you’ve been well

[@thatscouserjay]

The cool hands, and the warm embrace, of Joe Devine. Love it.

[@Bazovkin]

This long format is awesome! Will be glad if u continue to do It

[@antifocus]

So nice to see the long video back

[@PatrickVS101]

The eagles absolutely delivered the ring with this video

[@bobbymgaming]

Excellent Video Outlining how We play. That has been a major issue all season. Caicedo is always left isolated in Midfield and there’s always a huge Gap in midfield

[@jamesmcshane1914]

Its about god damn time...... For Joe Devine

[@canoler9117]

Big fan of the gang being back, also really like the long chat/Tifo video hybrid there

[@ginogranzella514]

Incredible content. Please keep videos like this coming. Love the more detailed break downs on focused topics.

[@luvo6233]

Thank you so much for making a normal video

[@jeremyong]

Love the long form video. More pleasee

[@mashoodhassan4036]

As a chelsea fan this was a treat!

[@valzor2562]

It should be noted that Amorin has shown the ability to adapt his systems to his opponents. The Taca de portugal semi final against benfica has proven this. In build up, he switched to a 3-3-4 and OOP he played a 5-2-3 mid block and allowed benfica to have the ball more and threaten. This is very similair to wt bayer did against bayern. It allowed for around 20 shots while only conceding 6. I think they would need a change in personal though to have Amorin to succeed at chelsea, and hed need a proper structure for long term.

[@nickyheart]

yay long form vids are back :3 hopefully we dont need to wait for another month !!

[@lucaslonchampt613]

This is exactly what I have been waiting for. - Stephen A. Smith

[@EMAH669]

I used to pray for times like this - Meek Mill

[@barnaclefelching4079]

An umbrella makes a wonderful gift for a stranger. - Graham Foreskin

[@tomerrozenberg1549]

I must say it feels like somebody told Joe to be less... well Joe. If so, please let him be the funny, charismatic speaker he is. unshackle Joe Devine!❤

[@thomaschoma8914]

This Chelsea team has also been decimated with injuries. The one worrying trend is Chillwell has been fairly mediocre.

[@Blueski43]

Amazing that they completely overlooked that ... what a stunning team of analysts they are LOL. When Rodri has been missing from the Man City team, they have lost 5 out of 11 games. No manager can cope with having his best players missing ... Brentford, Brighton, Newcastle have all shown that this season as well as us ... United lose Hojland and immediately lose back to back ... Arteta lost Saliba last season and his whole title run went up in smoke ... Let Poch have his best side and he'll do well.

[@romf1810]

I really missed you guys

[@toby3695]

The stealth return of the Tifo Football Podcast!!

[@tommymccartney8891]

The Tifo tea cup has sneaked in 😊

[@lukehferris]

Glad to have Devine back in the studio.

[@Osa1501]

Brilliant video. This explains what chelsea problem is. What chelsea need to do in the summer is keep pochettino and sign 3 experienced players that builds on this team. I don’t think it will take the, 3 years, but moreso 2 or maybe even next season if they keep pochettino and sign the right players. Oshimen/gyokeres will be game changing signing for chelsea. Their underlying stat are already good, so chelsea will be good closer to 2 or 1 year

[@Omar_Little]

Amortization mentioned within 90 seconds. This is the tifo content we love.

[@FreshSince92]

THE PODCAST WILL NEVER DIE!! 😭😭😭 GUTEN TAG BOYS

[@stennostenno1346]

we gates

[@darbleful]

Thank God they're back. Haven't watched Tifo in a looooong time.

[@Paschal_Potos]

Poch should watch this video please.

[@rodrigorivero3181]

love that you are back. And the POD is really good

[@endatreanor5263]

0:47 John MacKenzie's hands doing a separate monolgue

[@beneades3275]

Love seeing this group!

[@Osa1501]

We got into a final. That is going unnoticed. Not an easy thing to do

[@user-is1ce6bi3u]

Had one of the easiest runs ever. We lost to a championship side that is sitting mid table. Wtf has happened to our clubs mentality, Boehly has corrupted the fans and made it seem like it’s an achievement to get to a final. It ain’t

[@Blueski43]

@@user-is1ce6bi3u You've still got to get it done though. We had a piss easy FA Cup draw against a League One side back in 14/15 under Mourinho, and we had no injuries, were top of the league, had topped our CL group, and were in the SF of the League Cup. And we were 2-0 up as well. What happened ? We got smashed 4-2 ... by Bradford ... a League One side ... and we were the HOME side ... No cup game is ever easy !

[@onepiecebarca]

i like how the quality has improved from 1080p to 720p

[@XxDaTkIdFromBtOwNxX]

Welcome back boys!!

[@ruycosio6765]

Joe Devine is undoubtedly the standout moderator across all of The Athletic podcasts.

[@Grerty22]

The issue is a lack of leadership, which stems from a lack of players being established enough to be a leader. Most have only been there 12 months, and when you start somewhere you naturally focus on yourself before you start getting involved with other people. It's hard then when the 2 longer serving players James and chilwell both aren't really that outspoken and obviously also have injury issues. Then the senior players, you have Silva who maybe still doesn't speak English? And sterling. With sterling maybe we'll just blame the position, as you don't get many captains who play on the wings unless they are truly remarkable players. It's reached a point now where those 4 pre season leadership contenders are probably not playing either through injury or just not being better than the younger players in the same position. So it will take 2+ years I think as someone becomes comfortable leading the team. That will probably be colwill and disasi, as they both look to have a bit of personality and leadership. Enzo will hopefully grow here too, and not look like Bruno too much , and actually Jackson seems quite popular and outgoing, so he could be a big figure if his form holds. Palmer's just a good player, a bit more independent which is fine, and Gallagher I feel is a bit of a struggle as he's not a big name and not that technically great. For example how much would world cup winner Enzo Fernandes want to listen to Connor Gallagher? But if he puts in another good season then he could become a respected figure. I just think that they didn't factor in squad relationships when overhauling the squad

[@legitatr8337]

Great video from you guys pls do more🤝is it fair to say Joe isn’t quite particularly a fan of chelsea? 😂 what team does he support

[@TheMichaelNugent]

very happy to have long form tifo crew back p.s. caicedo and enzo being dropped in the “flop” bucket feels very very harsh

[@AdThe1st]

I think one thing of note about the midfield situation is that Enzo and Caicedo are kinda playing too many minutes, Enzo especially

[@kieranriches1089]

Thank god Joe is back. This channel was getting far too serious.

[@abbenay2300]

Love this format! Would love to see an arsenal centred long form with the three amigos and James McNicholas pls

[@abbenay2300]

Or Amy Lawrence

[@azurediamond2323]

My pained soul is soothed by the cool hands and warm embrace of Joe Devine.

[@sahilaswani5812]

To what you said at 31:30 When Klopp went to Liverpool why were they his best option, they were horrible for years, but still got Klopp, how did a newborn city get Pep after Barca and Bayern? Was city his best bet.

[@danielrowe7998]

How good is it to see joe presenting on the podcast 👏

[@danielrhodes4023]

Fantastic analysis, the problem is trying to rush something that cannot be rushed. Time is the only answer to Chelsea's problems and changing managers is meaningless as the 5th change 5 years later or no manager change in the same time frame has the same effect but a seemingly different reason for the success

[@53232adrian]

Nice tactical video with a lot of banter. More like a podcast than anything else.

[@caniacman2444]

Thank you for this. You put a real analysis to what I’ve been observing all year. A suggestion for the next manager for Chelsea is Thiago Motta. I believe his tactics and beliefs can get the most out of these talented young players for Chelsea. A bonafide striker and Motta, Chelsea could compete for top 6 next season.

[@XxJon4ev]

Wow, Joe comes back and suddenly I’m interested again!

[@melaniehuber6348]

interesting analysis but what should of been questioned is the volume of injuries Lavia (would of been in the double pivot we problay would have seen less of Gallagher),with Caicedo Nkunku link up play would be more effective no captain leader Reece James etc What more important as well as why they have not been successfull is is why at times chelsea have actually performed well.

[@bludgermoey876]

de Zerbi is the man. Without any interference from the hierarchy, he’d solve most problems tactically. He’d bring a tactical identity and has the mould of players whom suit his style

[@dominichoad]

I disagree, like with man utd, Chelsea need to fix their structural issues to improve, in my eyes at least.

[@Blip-qz9ch]

De Zerbi clearly hates Chelsea the guy literally said "they can take our players but they can't take our soul" in reference to them. Guy would rather be unemployed than coach them

[@Xebthebarbarian]

Absolutely! De Zerbi got the best out of Caicedo or Colwill and made Mudryk shine at Shakhtar. De Zerbi knows how to build from the back and especially how to set up to give his wingers room to operate almost as a counter attacking side and that would help all of our wingers put better numbers especially Mudryk. We need him although i hate dealing with Brighton again.

[@Iamwhatyousayiam]

Nah, I'd rather try out Ruben Amorin. He emphasises organisation in his team. Builds a strong defensive base first with ball playing keeper and CBs. Attacks with wingbacks and front 3. Take a look at the players that played under him..and you'll see the likes of Joao Palinha, Mathias Nunes, Pedro Porro, Diomande..Victor Gyokeres...the guy raises his players value...so he improves the players... He has won the league title at Sporting, too, along with domestic trophies. Only if he can win a European title..then everyone would give him a lot more hype..

[@Xebthebarbarian]

@@Iamwhatyousayiam They are both good modern managers but De Zerbi has more premier league experience and has worked with Cucurella,Colwill,Caicedo and Mudryk and you could say that he made these players look so good hence the reason why Chelsea payed fortunes for them. I'm not saying that at Chelsea they aren't good players but they aren't used to the best of their abilities so De Zerbi could do that as well as Amorim. Also De Zerbi is proving a good manager despite the fact that mainly Chelsea keeps taking his best players from him and that at Brighton he also has a very young team with a lot of players on their first season in the EPL. Give him a much higher budget and players he loves (said an year ago before the Arsenal v Chelsea Mudryk saga) that he believes Mudryk has the potential to be a Balloon d'Or so give the man more money and better players that he currently has and he will make you a title contender.

[@darkjosh1]

That Sporting analysis was great. Some of the spaces left because midfielder gets pulled to one side is similar to what's been happening at Chelsea most times

[@elicraig7367]

So weird seeing them stay on topic for this long of a video 😂

[@ohno22446]

Joe hosting is like Darwin Nunez after the 85th minute

[@davisitumeleng3141]

He is back 😊❤

[@judsonbaker8128]

A long form video hosted by Joe Devine with analysis from JJ, John and guest? Woahhoh that’s a winning format Tifo

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

The gang is back!

[@jamesleiper6399]

Reminds me a lot of the tifo videos The tifo football podcast would be a good name for this

[@vuangxuan1766]

my man Joe Devine! missed u so much, and also the old podcast format :(

[@thehappyloaf]

I missed the gang as is. Joe, JJ Bull the Bullet, and Jonathan Ross "Dog" Mckenzie

[@bransonliimo9601]

I believe its Bull the Bullard 😅

[@thehappyloaf]

@@bransonliimo9601 nah it's Bullet

[@highnoon7097]

WELCOME BACK JOE THE VINE!

[@andrewg3947]

JJ giving it 'am I JJ Bull?' vibes in his introduction