When will the American Empire collapse? | Saagar Enjeti and Lex Fridman

[@LexClips]

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[@julieta_solayao]

Juliet your Avid Fan

[@SpotterVideo]

Read the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island", to see the origin of the dishonest money system not found in the U.S. Constitution. The "Federal Reserve System" is not "Federal" and there are no "Reserves". The "Fractional Reserve" requirement of 10% was eliminated during the "Pandemic". Like all "Pyramid Schemes" it will eventually fail. The system steals by inflating the amount of currency in the system, and the average person does not understand the theft.

[@ymaibe]

The main premise is Faulty. There isn't an American Empire Akin to The British or Roman Empires. Hence the entire debate is convoluted and not rooted in a proper Historical context.

[@fanman8102]

“People living during the collapse don’t realize they are living during the collapse.” Yep!

[@FoulWeatherFriend385]

Here’s the thing: as long as a country has nukes, it’s not going to collapse in the ancient sense of the word. Look at Russia. Without nukes we would have long ago had a 3rd world war and Russia probably would have been annexed as part of the west, but that has never happened. Why? Because they have nukes. The USA certainly is headed in a bad direction economically, but we aren’t anywhere near being defeated.

[@Zedem0n]

They unironically portrayed that themselves when they were trying to bring on the bias of "American exceptionalism".

[@8benjii]

America is good at one thing and one thing only and that’s getting the last laugh if we go 75 percent of the world population going with us😂😂😂😂😂

[@sonamagrawal12]

who doesn't see the collapse right now?

[@spatialmemory5040]

​@@8benjiiKeep telling yourself that. The world has been laughing as the collapse occurred in 2008 and most in USA still don't realize the losses as they work like dogs to continue paying for the losses incurred and the winner brilliantly keeps the deception in place accepting the monetary enrichment while the standard of living in USA deteriorates for the majority. In capital markets dynamics, 90% of the move occurs in the final ten percent of the time frame and that Minsky Moment is imminent. Enjoy the fairytale while it laughs because it's all on borrowed time and borrowed "money." Good luck.

[@scotth7500]

As an America who's traveled a fair amount, I can guarantee this is not the best place to live, unless you love being an indentured servant to oligarchs, where one health issue will leave your destitute. These people need to leave their gated communities every once in awhile

[@darkgardener9577]

The best part about the USA is that you don't have to be an indentured servant. Except in blue states, they kinda force you into it, they want to be like the rest of the world. But in other more free states you don't have to. You can do your own thing. That's not something you can do in most of the world and what makes the USA so great. Unless you're a lefty then the idea of living without a nanny state to tell you to wipe your nose is the most horrifying thing ever.

[@crazychase98]

Have fun living off the american tax doller aboard. Once america falls you will be in a far bigger hell once that happens

[@mutombofa1600]

Exactly this guy is clueless 😂

[@vmoses1979]

If you are forced to come back to live and work in America - you have to buck yourself up by telling yourself 'when you travel you come to appreciate America more'. Sure if you're traveling in Congo but any peer country and America comes out not looking that great.

[@darkgardener9577]

@@vmoses1979 Yet NOBODY who says/thinks that will GTFO. Hmmm wonder why that is. USA, so great even the haters won't leave.

[@Megozkarub]

We are already collapsing. Yes slowly. But it is happening now

[@Onlyinbean]

Yep and we will be owned by China sooner or later..

[@blackwolfnation2396]

How long do you think we have to wait

[@luxboss2388]

@@blackwolfnation2396 I give it 10 years

[@SaadBinAlamgir3345]

​@@blackwolfnation2396 depends, full collapse will take time, but US will be 3rd biggest economy (down from 1) by 2050. So around that time yes, 20-25 years

[@TheGrimFoot]

​@@blackwolfnation2396 depends, we're one catastrophe away from a every man for himself scenario. Any day now honestly. I've been a prepper for 10 years, and usually disregard things that people panic about, but lately I've been nervous, and on full alert.

[@shafthespaceegg]

Roman empire collapse cannot be seen as totally analogous because Rome had a long land border with hostile Germanic tribes that it had to defend from. The US is shielded by two oceans, two relatively friendly neighbors and 4,000 nuclear warheads. Collapse would therefore have to come from within

[@kyleg3837]

collapse of the american empire would be economic in nature not conventional war. just think what the loss of the world reserve would do to us financially.

[@cowboysone4370]

Russia and the U. S. Are separated by less than 3 miles. Pick up a map

[@shafthespaceegg]

@@cowboysone4370 that’s only the case for the Diomede islands one is Russian one is American. The Bering Strait is 51 miles across at its narrowest and some of the roughest seas on Earth. Good luck launching an invasion across the Bering Strait

[@georgeallen7667]

Invasion already happen cross the southern borders. Ask Europe how their fuzzies are?

[@supremesrvnt5608]

From within it is coming indeed; from those who control power whose allegiance is to a foreign entity.

[@stephenlight647]

I like Saagar a lot, but Empires come to an end because elites always end up possessed by their own success and come to believe that success is their birthright. They then commence to plunder the state and fight amongst eachother for the spoils. Of course, there can also just be superior states with better ideas that eventually kick in the door as well.

[@will201084]

Then the peasants come for their heads.. Syria being the latest example

[@AtibaVV]

The first one is definitely what's going on rn with the corporations and the current climate of wall street they've even conquered crypto as well they have been siphoning the American people's wealth for 70 years

[@danielvalleduarte]

No

[@danielvalleduarte]

​@thats not wh at happened dude. We funded the syria upset and filled the vacuum with terrorists on our own watch listm. @will201084

[@richg2881]

Saagar is a leaf eater.

[@Bronxguyanese]

The British empire turned into the American empire after Britton Woods meeting.

[@RUBBER_BULLET]

The Crown never relinquished any of its assets.

[@Corbenos]

@@RUBBER_BULLETyet there are American owned and controlled military bases all over the UK

[@VancouverInvestor]

Better term is the Anglo American Order. The CFR runs American Foreign Policy "The Establishment" and it's an offshoot of the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

[@G96Saber]

@@VancouverInvestor American cope. You have your empire; rule it or lose it.

[@Dogmeat1950]

Fails to mention the Roman Empire lasted almost 2,000 years lol

[@StimParavane]

A bloated military and excessive debt...

[@stephenlight647]

Bloated militaries are never the cause. Debt certainly is.

[@StimParavane]

@@stephenlight647 Of course they are. Doh...

[@SenorJuan2023]

@@stephenlight647 Caused by spending too much on the military.

[@will201084]

​@@stephenlight647 bloated militaries are part of debt dipper

[@thomassenbart]

We do not have a bloated military. Our defense spending is half what it was in 1989. We no longer have an industrial base to produce weapons to sustain the military in a conventional war for more than a couple of months. That is telling.

[@manwithaplan8543]

No, I actually hate it more every time I leave

[@mxxkxxg]

Are you actually living and working somewhere else or just vacationing? Big difference

[@NightmareNate7]

I hate America also. This country is evil.

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

Live here in India in my city for some months and I bet your perception will change.

[@EdwardCurrent]

"The fundamentals of what makes humanity great" have been destroyed by social media.

[@markarmage3776]

Please do not confuse this little country with the entirety of humanity, that's not how it works.

[@crazymage9636]

And who owns the media?

[@TheUnseenPath]

No it was destroyed by us for allowing it.

[@adamm5172]

Blaming social media by posting said blame on social media 🤔

[@UniMatrix_1]

​@adamm5172 welcome to moden life

[@pimp22fly]

The reason the US is overpowered is that it’s surrounded by the Atlantic and pacific. With no threats on the continent. It’ll be fine. Unless we don’t have nukes. Post nuclear era is a complete game changer

[@mooncake387]

The US empire will not end with the mainland being destroyed, it will be the slow gradual loss of influence, economic and military.

[@coterie_black]

That’s an embarrassingly simplistic take. American power isn’t some cheap side effect of oceanic buffers or a nuclear stockpile..... it’s entrenched in a massive economy, technological supremacy and global alliances. Take away the nukes and the U.S. still wields unmatched conventional and economic strength

[@KhattaMeethaOficial]

It’s Gonna Implode ,Just see the Political Radicalisation and Gun Violance,,,

[@antoniescargo1529]

The enemy from within.

[@Norg1]

Does this mean central and south america is safe has well ????

[@tonykozina1814]

"You'll love it more when you leave." No, not at all.. I lived in NZ for 5 years, and that was the biggest eye opener for me. If I can get my NZ residency somehow, I'm outta here!!

[@louisepearson9287]

Or any commonwealth country.

[@Colombia20102018]

My two-year recent experience in Germany was subpar. I grew up in South America, have worked in more than 10 countries, and travelled all over the world. There’s no place like America.

[@tylerbarnes209]

Yeah it’s pretty good here 🇳🇿

[@mns8732]

I loved BBC when I left; American news just depressed me.

[@sgk999]

Yeah and become a citizen of a country that doesn’t matter much in the world.

[@AV-iw3xc]

“I think to myself everytime I leave, I love the United States…you’ll love it more when you leave.” I have found that to be true. We tried living in Europe because we bought into the hype. I miss certain things about living there, but being born in the US feels like winning the lottery when I compare life in the few international countries I’ve lived and since seriously looked at with eyes wide open. We really have such a unique and special opportunity to live here during these times. It’s also weird now that I’ve seen it it to hear people complain so adamantly that we have it so bad. I think living almost anywhere else for a year or two would make them rethink their discontentment.

[@bzc133]

hmmmm, nope.

[@AV-iw3xc]

@ tell me you haven’t lived internationally (other than top tier small countries like Switzerland, Monaco, etc.) without telling me you haven’t. You have no clue how the average person in the rest of the world lives. You wouldn’t want it

[@randomguy7175]

​@@AV-iw3xc Canada is better than US , expect Gun part

[@44SirLoopalot]

@@AV-iw3xc Well i live in Germany, I can tell you that live is way more peaceful over here than in the USA, same in Italy, France, Netherlands, Spain, Poland etc.. The only reason Americans still believe in this myth that they are the greatest country on earth is that they constantly preach it to themselves.

[@pedrohpires6608]

I view the picture of one young guy, I hope that when you are 60/70 and an expensive disease you think the same.

[@truckerfromreno]

The British Empire didn't end - it just changed its name.

[@CG-xx2er]

no it collapsed. The US is not British 😂 we left those guys in the back of the line.

[@tamaritiel9909]

It turned into a bank.

[@DorJinTan]

Exactly!

[@Dekgaza]

​@@CG-xx2erMaybe you should understand history beyond first grade history

[@C-Culper4874]

Sure it did. The old saying "The sun never sets on the British empire" It doesn't rise on it now.

[@SenorJuan2023]

I'm American and there's actually not many places in particular I would want to live here. Extreme weather, high crime, high cost of living, too many guns, too dependent on cars, etc.

[@CommentLikeDescribe]

Unfortunately there's to much jingoism to appreciate your comment. Funny cuz, there's really only two things I ever miss when I leave this country. Big coffee cups and the national parks.

[@flashpromo15]

Lmao go live in france

[@SenorJuan2023]

@@flashpromo15 Excellent suggestion, esp. if you are retired. Much better food, more moderate weather, much better healthcare. Thanks for validating my point.

[@Western_Decline]

@@flashpromo15france is great

[@54032Zepol]

Lol that's everywhere else too.

[@themediacontrolyouropinon]

It's collapsing already.. wake up people 😢.. we might have a strong economy but we are doing bad in everything else...

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

That's not true

[@TheRealSamBlack]

Considering how major empires have managed throughout history…America is just getting started.

[@richardc861]

Maybe but the debt is way too high and unsustainable. It can cripple an empire.

[@Zero2Black6]

@@richardc861the debt is to high, but even as insane the amount is currently we’re still not yet on an irreversible path. If this administration deals with it properly and the next few administrations do the same. We will actually be fine. The country is also poised to grow rapidly as well which will also help, but America as a whole is still an extremely young country. If you measure us up to many past empires, some of which lasted well over 2,500 years then the U.S. is still an infant and isn’t even close to peaking which I would agree with, plus we have far more going for us and are vastly more adaptable than previous empires.

[@CG-xx2er]

@@Zero2Black6 that’s something people forget. The US is growing because of its importation of immigrants. Yet people get mad that they are “taking jobs” 😂 We will be fine for now. The founding fathers were ahead of their time and made this system for a reason.

[@redrevyol]

America is at it's end. Look at other democracies.

[@thatotherguy8138]

America needs to be VERY careful right now - thanks to the degradation of the Education system, the West is one generation away from being thrust into an unstoppable decline. Once the Boomers are completely gone, a staggering amount of knowledge will go with them - knowledge that for a multitude of reasons has not been passed on. And much of what knowledge has been passed on generally exists in online sources - so if there is an extended online outage, that knowledge is inaccessible. Another states-wide power outage like what happened in 2003 could potentially kill millions, for example, if it happened in the winter. Or another Ice Storm like what happened in 1996. We have created a society where we expect to have knowledge literally at our fingertips, so there is no need to keep that knowledge inside our own minds. And it is more efficient to keep that knowledge on a single server in Wyoming that anyone can access rather than having a book stored in every library in America, so any disruption to that will eventually be catastrophic. If it happened today, we're probably fine. In 2050? We very well might be in real trouble.

[@freestylebagua]

Its not an empire and not entirely American, its the Anglo-Hegemony and the Americans are just the latest iteration.

[@roywu3124]

by your logic europe is one big empire that lasted 2000 years

[@RandomVidz690]

Bro really said it’s “Anglo-hegemony” 😂😂 hint: it’s a different (((group)))

[@Nahuatl22]

No, it is an empire and it’s US Empire. America is the entire continent.

[@petercaron7023]

Correct. The United States of America is NOT and Empire. It is a Federation.

[@billy3603]

It’ll probably collapse when all the wealth is on one side of it. Oh….

[@track1949]

Every empire has collapsed.

[@JW4897-v2w]

Some great Empires never fully collapse. They carry on in a different iteration. Roman Empire = The Catholic Church, The Mongol Empire = Mongolia, Macedonia = Greece, Ottoman Empire = Turkey, Even China and India are just continuations of previous Empires and Dynasties.

[@BajatheChickenMan]

Except for the ants!

[@driedenfichter2466]

“Yeah, but this time is different”

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

US isn't an empire

[@vmoses1979]

Boy these are not two intellectual giants.

[@ywtcc]

I'm not so sure the American Empire and the British Empire were different empires! They even use the same language. It looks to me, that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and integration of China, we've arrived at a global system. This global system looks like a hybrid of Capitalism and Communism, and financial integration might even be irreversible at this point. This is a global system in which the Chinese Communist Party has been doing trade deals with the Republican Party of the USA for over 50 years. The Empire always had a mind of its own, we're just arguing over what America's relationship should be with it.

[@ChunkyRaguu]

@ywtcc Well said

[@thomassenbart]

Then you don't understand history. Also, there is no such thing as an American Empire. Definitions are important and we are 100% not an empire.

[@ywtcc]

@@thomassenbart LOL! How so you suppose the USA went from 13 states to 50? The USA was founded by land speculators, and the government was set up to colonize the North American continent. It's been an Empire since the beginning.

[@DarrkMane]

The Roman Empire never fell. Look at all the Obelisk locations. NATO is new Rome. It's about to fall for the final time.

[@ywtcc]

@@DarrkManeRome turned into Catholicism. Which most Western countries now have a history of hostility towards. The Brits especially. You don't like NATO, no reason to invent history there.

[@АртёмСотников-я2я]

The very fact of raising such a question in the public sphere gives an eloquent answer. The process has already begun and everyone feels it, tries to make sense of it, find the cause, determine the timing, assess the consequences.

[@ukezafinje]

it's really crazy how nobody is talking about the book the elite society's money manifestation

[@crystalz-h1d]

Bot

[@ukezafinje]

@@crystalz-h1d Can bot reply? I don't think so

[@williamwick5993]

@@ukezafinjeOf course it could.

[@armyveteran101st]

Not any time soon. We've been through much, much worse and made it, and we'll make it through these difficult times too.

[@MP-pz9oe]

The same happened to the Spanish empire. Here in Puerto Rico we are going to change hands once more, this time to China.

[@aiautobot]

This discussion (and many like it) presume the United States is already the “American Empire,” conveniently forgetting we are still only in the Republic phase. The republic might fall, or has indeed fell, but in its wake will be an American Empire. We can have a discussion about the fall of the American Empire in about 200 years. Current affairs are just growing pains.

[@zay57]

I hope you're right.

[@JumpingJack6]

America is in its last days. A historical essay on this topic was brilliantly written by a man named John Glubb called The Fate of Empires.

[@will201084]

Yawn

[@VancouverInvestor]

It's a great read. It's avail online. Read about the collapse of the Islamic Empire due to musicians gaining outside influence. It's quite funny compared to 1960's America.

[@CedarHunt]

That's hilarious. The US is doing just fine and will continue on for the foreseeable future completely unphased by its haters.

[@thomassenbart]

No, it almost certainly is not. An American Renaissance is about to happen.

[@ronbock8291]

@@thomassenbart lol.

[@dan8910100]

giving all of your societies/cultures achievements away to people who hate you, doesnt make them like you. it just makes them hate you and envy you.

[@flamos44]

Putting tariffs on everything cutting the beyaracracy and the civil service which keeps xounttry going and gives you your social security checks and subsidies for your farm and kot understanding how cities work with ballooning debt and a bunch of billionaires capturing the top and wars everywhere that you can’t unilaterally get out off means your empire will fall enjoy the foreclosures and high prices of food keep living I delusional land things will change lol fool

[@mattschrader5047]

We didn't give them to China, they stole them. But yes, we have given technology and weaponry to many countries to help them achieve wealth and stability on the global stage with absolutely NOTHING in return, not even gratitude. It's ridiculous to be honest

[@daveminion6209]

I believe that the "second Civil War" was actually fought overseas, in Vietnam , in the 1960s and 70s , and it was worse than the Civil War 1860s . The first Civil War actually finalized and resolved many issues . However the war that we fought in the 1960s still going on to some extent.

[@ywtcc]

I think WW2 is the better candidate, if you want to look at it like that. The social forces leading up to WW2 were similar to the first Civil War. It does help to see international politics as a projection of domestic politics, sometimes. I think Vietnam is better understood as part of the Cold War, rather than in isolation. The Cold War started as a projection of a suppression of domestic workers' politics. The first Red Scare in the USA was concurrent with the Russian Revolution, and a whole lot of domestic issues with workers! This Cold War politics resulted in a global Capitalist empire abroad, and at home a Federal government funded by taxes on employment. I wonder where this is going, now that we see the Capitalists and Communists doing business together, in the same Empire?

[@FabianGuzman-ov6qk]

We are in a recession right now and this resession can only get worst

[@vii7031]

I like when people talk about fall of empires they talk that it's great that their subjugations have stopped but when they talk about the US empire and it's hegemony is somehow different. It's like all the subjugations and killings the US empire has caused are somehow different from them, more free, more democratic, more humane.

[@steamingwillybeaming]

Joseph Stalin

[@arsy9753]

This is one of the best comments I've ever read. Roughly 182,000 civilians dead in Vietnam War Roughly one million communists purged in Indonesia by Suharto Around 30,000 humans who had their rights violated by Pinochet 103,000 civilians deaths in the Iraq War 70,000 civilians killed in Afghanistan 40,000 - 180,000 people killed in Gaza in one year. And this is just scratching the surface. I didnt even mention Guatemala, Cuba, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama, Syria, Libya, Iran, North Korea the list goes on and on. But nah guys dont worry about it. Top Gun Maverick and American Sniper said that the US is a force for good so you dont need to worry.

[@tma2001]

never heard of this nitwit - is he some kind of MAGA revisonist ? american character after the civil war - really ? geonocide of the natives, the myth of the Lost Cause, institusionlised apartheid and disenfranchisement. The list goes on. Even Lincoln had to be disuaded from advocating blacks to return 'home' in Africa!

[@CedarHunt]

America is just superior. It's not complicated.

[@CedarHunt]

@@arsy9753 I like the way you had such little to go on that you just made up numbers and brought in completely irrelevant conflicts that have nothing to do with the US. Hilarious.

[@aghassimkrtchyan6323]

The key point people don’t discuss - the decline of American empire is not the same as the decline of America. American empire is led by global, although mostly American elite. When it declines, the power goes back to America in a more dispersed way, away from global empire-minded elite. The decline of American empire will decolonize America . Make America great again is actually about making America a country, a nation state, again. Unfortunately many small countries will suffer as a result. America will benefit, not sure about the world. “One world” was not a bad idea, afterall, but turned out to be an impossible idea. Bottom line- Americans have nothing to worry, they will see security and prosperity ahead. The world may become more chaotic.

[@vmoses1979]

Umm so who's gonna take the mounds of USD IOUs that is your biggest export if you retreat from the world. You will collapse because your entire economic system is unsustainable and relies on foreigners funding your massive deficits. Americans are consuming so much more than they can afford. Good luck tightening your belts.

[@Childhoodmemories142]

At just 19 years old, I've spent my entire life in this country, and I firmly believe that despite any strengths it may possess, it has far more weaknesses. I wouldn't hesitate to bet heavily against it.

[@horatiogorganzola6305]

Thanks for interviewing him, Lex. I don’t always agree with Saagar but Ive always liked him and appreciate his dedication.

[@Western_Decline]

he is a tool for US empire

[@Fab666.]

The US loves to try and compare to the Roman empire.. no not even close. That lasted much longer, we use their alphabet right now, follow the religion they pushed, their days of the week, and months of the year. From something that ended millennia ago! It’s on another level

[@Alphasmirmen]

I am from morocco, i can say from our perspective in north Africa 1:16 usa is so ahead from all countries in the world, it’s so difficult to collapse, if it so all the world will collapse with it, i love the usa and hope it will and stay the best 🙏🙏

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

Same here from india

[@functionalvanconversion4284]

Never, but the average person is collapsing at an accelerated rate👍.

[@SEEKUP4EVER]

Because they are addicted to consumerism. People waste excessive amounts of money on so many unnecessary products it’s comical. If the people had any self awareness they would stop buying the junk from China and save their money. Everyone needs a nice car, branded clothing and expensive vacations to distract them from what they are doing to themselves. I am not super wealthy by any stretch. However, I am 51 years old, have no debt and a good amount of savings to last me the rest of my life. I live comfortably but I buy generic products at every opportunity. By the way I dress you wouldn’t think I had money. I’ve become a creature of habit through my daily routine. That is what keeps me grounded.

[@theallseeingkats6321]

How many americans gotta go bankrupt for the whole US to be considered collapsed? 🤔

[@SEEKUP4EVER]

@ well you’re not using facts. Bankruptcies have been decking down since 2010 until 2023 when 435,000 personal bankruptcies were filed. This year they are trending even hire. However, it’s less than .001 of the American population.

[@functionalvanconversion4284]

@@SEEKUP4EVER 💯

[@haskellglover1050]

I think Saagar will be JD Vance press secretary in his first term

[@DrewH-u9f]

There Friends right ?

[@SEEKUP4EVER]

One idiot working for another idiot

[@MauricioGonzalezFilms]

6:15 - useless??Antarctica is a living laboratory holding secrets of Earth’s past future, climate evolution, unique microbes, potential resources, & even teach us about survival beyond Earth.

[@brooklynbud1138]

The resources are functionally useless when they’re buried under thick, miles-deep layers of ice, especially in the interior of the continent where it is not only cold, but a wide and spanning desert Unlike the North Pole, which can be more easily accessed since it’s a collection of islands, Antarctica is a solid, frozen, inhospitable wasteland

[@Nhaflm1821]

That moon landing fake😂😂😂

[@flightplan3]

Say it again !

[@jamricsloe]

Collapsed is such a dramatic word. In order for such a dramatic word to occur something dramatic must happen. Without such an instance there won’t be a collapse.

[@flovv4580]

Decline is more accurate. Either way, it's not good.

[@AtibaVV]

This saagar dude is such a dork 😂😂 love how he just 95% down played what was going on during reconstruction

[@danielvalleduarte]

He's not unique in his lack of intelligence, bloat of confidence. May he get caught in the jaws of a meg

[@brooklynbud1138]

Imagine a grown man using “dork” as an insult against someone who is learned and well prepared for his job as a news commentator

[@coterie_black]

who cares

[@AtibaVV]

@@brooklynbud1138 how is he well learned he sorely uninformed on the history of the reconstruction era south it wasn't no water under the bridge koumbuya between the north and the south after reconstruction. They just found a greater enemy in communism and minorities going into the next century. The animosity we see today goes way back that little anecdote about civil war vets shaking hands or whatever doesn't mean shit

[@AtibaVV]

@@coterie_black u should care lol. That's the problem with our generation the leadership and people we look to for wisdom are flawed or just complete fucking frauds and u apathetic people just sit there and nod ur fucking heads and listen as ur told what u wanna hear rather than searching for truth and greater understanding it's shameful that's what it is

[@roywu3124]

Comparing Rome and the US, we are only at the Roman Republic age, not even an empire yet. We at least have another 300 years in the tank

[@Nahuatl22]

No, no y’all don’t 😂

[@daksans6764]

By 2050 China will make US like present day UK

[@TheGrimFoot]

When? It's been happening for some time. Its not like it happens all at once. In terms of when everyone goes ballistic? Idk my guess is pretty soon. Its really bad out there.

[@sanca5982]

The American empire may collapse but there won't be another. In other words, this domain will end with the American empire. There WILL come one that will be everlasting to everlasting and there will not be a trace of the old.

[@DLYChicago]

You are top dog until someone takes you down. Britain got over extended in WW1 but it still had its Empire and had time to recover, but WW2 totally did it in. France, Italy, Germany, and Japan were all spent which brought in the U.S. and Russia as superpower players on the global stage. Sometimes an empire does not fall as much as it morphs into something else. America is dynamic and we have a way of renewing itself that other countries lack. Our system is flexible and decentralized, and we accept inputs from various sources.

[@daksans6764]

Nothing can stop the collapse of American empire

[@ImthatguyTy]

Get out before the fall because it won’t be pretty when it does

[@davidgarza1301]

I would add Kevin Phillips work to the discussion on the historicism of America and the context of great power politics. He has studied the Spanish, Dutch and British powers. Paul Kennedy is great too.

[@markarmage3776]

Do not confuse unstable and short-sightedness with dynamic. Unfortunately for both Lex and Saagar, they live in a bubble. They don't realize that the overwhelming majority of the US population is low skilled, poorly educated, not fitted to the changes of the 21st century, and no kind of protectionism, grand standing, chicanery can cover that fatal flaw up. You can try to manufacture things in the US, overwhelming majority of US population won't be able to afford it.

[@TheVigilantEye77]

We do these things not because they are hard, but because we thought they would be easy

[@vivekpraseed918]

America has gone from strength to strength over the course of its 250 years and that too like no other civilization that existed at any time in history. Yet social media loves to discuss it's collapse all the time😅

[@TDP-w3j]

How do you define the collapse of the US empire? The loss of overseas military bases? It’s internal division you need to worry about…

[@daksans6764]

It's both

[@flovv4580]

Decline

[@johnrococo982]

“Nothing in Antarctica” Dude wait till you find out about the portal to Hyperborea.

[@curtislundberg3570]

Very kind words from Lex. Great chat, guys! 🔥🔥🔥

[@flovv4580]

The problem with empires, which comes from human nature is the fact that people always want more. That is where the train gets derailed. Infinite growth is not possible. In other words.....the problem is greed. "There is no greater disaster than greed." - Lao Tzu

[@jrvasquez4353]

Very few people that I know in my life, feel we are on solid financial grounds. The collective sentiment is rather gloomy. Its sad. I don’t think Im the only one.

[@AvelierPlays]

It is, these people who just dismiss all the mounting problems will have a rude awakening.

[@edwardsanchez3708]

He doesn't even mention corruption. Purposeful corruption

[@ManicMindTrick]

This time is different. Now we have powerful technologies, civilizational or soon even existential risk level technologies. That makes the situation very unpredictable.

[@daksans6764]

Nothing can stop the collapse of American empire

[@jacobs2308]

America is NOT the best place to live in.

[@AvelierPlays]

It’s not, but America and Americans have deluded themselves into believing they are. Part of it is because of the whole myth of “exceptionalism” which is deeply rooted in the subconscious of the people and the other is reinforced by constant state propaganda to keep people docile and passive. The fact that the US is currently sponsoring a genocide should tell you enough, this will not be pardoned or forgotten.

[@ronobrien7187]

Democracy fails when the people realize that they can take the money for themselves. De Tocqueville.

[@MatthewMortensen1]

More sooner than later.

[@MyPowerfulClips]

The influence they’ve built cannot be undone. We’ve seen this in the financial markets. When 1 super power’s market crashes, they all simultaneously dip. This was seen in the global market during the stock market crash and the real estate crash

[@Thrive910]

I think it happens once the mighty dollar is no longer the worlds currency

[@Bandanko]

america is not unique in granting freedom to its population, dont act like it is...

[@CG-xx2er]

it’s unique in upholding that commitment. Some will never understand

[@DrewH-u9f]

Yes it is

[@calebdeaver1018]

How not?😂

[@djangokill65]

The great illusion of "freedom" in the US

[@jdchatelain222]

Sagaar!! Get your own show. That other person is so annoying!! Crystal is keeping you down mate.

[@will201084]

Nah.. that show will flop

[@jdchatelain222]

@will201084 Why?

[@danielvalleduarte]

They are made for eachother. Both grifters

[@randomguy7175]

​​@@jdchatelain222 the idea is both sides viewers needs other host to hate... That's the fun part Views matter

[@laconictr]

Remember how George W. BUSH said you are either with us or against us after 9/11. Every world leader at that time decided they must secure their country a path away from USA policies. It took countries time to find alternatives and now you see the results worldwide.

[@caldepen372]

Asks when, while it is occurring...

[@thebrightestsun4685]

I maintain my stance that american empire is NATO (or any other security alliances) and unlike empires of old, USA does not need wars to maintain its power. It has all the resources on the continent already.

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

This, you're right, there is vast difference between empires of past and USA.

[@dolphindenny5989]

It already has, you just don’t know it yet

[@Themata]

Need to put Chris Hedges great book America, The Farewell Tour on that list

[@yu-jd5jg]

American Empire is already collapsing albeit in slow motion after 911 and picked up speed after 2014

[@daksans6764]

It went full speed after 2017

[@driedenfichter2466]

Americas decline started in 1996. That’s when I was born. Sorry guys, I let you all down. 😔

[@mikeg9b]

I think the US is already in decline. The economy is doing well because the top 20% in the US are rich enough to keep it going. The bottom 50% could drop dead tomorrow and the economy wouldn't notice.

[@PrincepratapsinghRawat-cw5em]

Every developed nation has same pattern tbh, 10-20% upper class, 50-60% middle class and 20-30% lower class.

[@iTuber012]

He's correct you definitely appreciate America more when you leave and come back. With that being said, I think we are slowly collapsing... When a large share of our leaders and voters are skeptical of science and our raising competition (China) embraces it... We're in trouble and we won't realize it until it's too late

[@donharris8846]

Shackleton is SO popular in America. My household can’t stop talking about him.

[@josefontanez3871]

Really! You think everyone is exploring Antartica for the passion of exploration?

[@veliborb]

Unpredictable times full of challenges are coming, and Western countries must unite and work together. Otherwise, the competition, which is getting stronger every day, will simply eat them up.

[@rickhaass1133]

Very impressed with Saagar - he would make a great Press Secretary for any Pres...`

[@Bossdup]

If it’s too big to rig it’s too big to fail. And the fact that our empire is surrounded by a giant moat and completely self sustainable.

[@ralphieboy119]

“There’s nothing in Antartica” Oh Saagar…if you only knew or listened to people that have gone down there!

[@ryansimmons5591]

He hit the nail on the head- traveling is great, but also makes you realize how unique and special the USA is.

[@daksans6764]

UK is better

[@rainman-]

You're going to have to do better trying to convince us that there's absolutely nothing in Antarctica haha.

[@cutcut1980]

There is a resilience here in America. There are millions of immigrants trying to get in. If things are are bad, then why are migrants trying to get in, and not China, Brazil or India?

[@jcfartson7288]

The only difference is America doesn’t have an empire

[@anthonybeck21]

Never!

[@jeanneelliott7243]

Thanks!! Two interesting guys sharing their wisdom!

[@MeganChic]

Ironically the weakest and those most dependent on the government are the ones who want the country to collapse. When I was a teacher it was shocking how many of my coworkers hated the US and wished for the country to collapse. They would get mad when I pointed out how many of them were single, didn’t own firearms or believe in violence and were dependent on medicine. I reminded them how if the system collapsed they would be the evening entertainment or meal for some local warlord 😂

[@djangokill65]

Did you bother to ask your co-workers why they "hated the US and wished for the country to collapse"?

[@roywu3124]

i agree with you, but "didn't own firearms" and "believe in violence" are very contradicting

[@danielormsbee7668]

@@roywu3124 Firearms are a defensive and hunting tool and provide the threat of direct consequence in the case of a home invasion or threat to household safety. Violence is an aggressive posture and can be carried out through any tool: cars, knives, acid, guns, anything really. So they are not inherently contradicting.

[@DeviousXP]

I agree with Saagar that America is a great place, but when he listed off all the things that you can do there that you apparently cant anywhere else... Im like bruh, you can do all that in every modern western country, only with better healthcare lololol

[@mommytsunami]

You can buy a machine gun and drive for 40 hours without leaving the country? Where??

[@DeviousXP]

@mommytsunami Yea, no one wants to do that. You'll find that sexual arousal over guns is a truly American fetish.

[@ignaciofuentes2642]

Another reason that you can't compare the American empire to other empires is that we've studied other empires and learned from their mistakes. For example, America rules other countries by manipulating elections and controlling the leadership of other countries. We don't use our military to control countries. Also we strategically select other countries to be our proxy armies in different regions of the world so we don't have to use our military to rule over people. So there is no danger of our military being overextended.

[@Lesminster]

I don't think there is something special about america in the regard he talks about. It's just that if you pack over 300 million people into one nation you probably gonna get more exploreres, daredevils, courageous individuals, than in some 30 millions country or even 80 millions country, of which tere are plenty in Europe. It's not that you are somehow special. There is simply many more of you to pick from. Most us citizens are nothing like what he's talking about and that's also probably some average number in the whole 1st world. We can already see usa withdrawing it's influence from distant places. Slowly but surely USA will be pushed out of other continents, or will semi-willingfully withdraw due to lack of public support/funds. World dominance requires not only military power but also a decent narrative to convince people you're the force of good, bcs they have to believe they vote for the force of good. I don't think people in usa are too convinced it is good that usa dictates what happens where through military pressure.

[@KuziCookedIt]

This is partly true but most of the us’s wealth comes from its military presence after WWII. China has so much more at its disposal (1billion + ppl, 40% population pursuing STEM), but the U.S retains its position as the largest economy b/c of the USD’s power in the Middle East.. thus its emphasis on military. Once countries are able to de-dollarize (BRICS) the US will likely fall, granted there isn’t a nuclear war in the near future

[@SitkaMushroom]

Great show

[@jf9670]

“A miss reading of what made your original Society work” - That’s why the constitution needs to be protected more than ever. We are so lucky to have Trump for the next four years to potentially appoint more conservative justices to the Supreme Court who will protect the constitution.

[@urielmartinez6279]

Saagar just said that pioneers were great. Bro they literally genocided entire peoples whole while taking their land

[@evanlabonte4571]

I imagine the southern restoration worked out so well because America was still primarily a homogenous society

[@TaiPan-v8m]

You had me all the way up to the man on the moon bit. ✌️

[@TheDavidtk240]

Excellent discussion. Thanks!

[@jonlevert]

unfortunately, it may be collapsing now- slowly, then suddenly.

[@Dbro2050]

The only reason Saagar can begin to claim there's nothing in Antarctica is because those people went there. No one knew. And we still don't know if there's something 'worthwhile' there. Who knows what's under that ice.

[@hanskarlsson3778]

The flag waving through this clip may cause you gag reflexes. America is number one at thinking it's number one 😂

[@jd_casper]

Idk about there being nothing in Antarctica bro