When Women's Football Was Banned

[@BillyDrakePianoMan]

It must not be forgotten that UEFA had to pressure the FA to lift the ban... in 1971.

[@mankytoes]

One could easily mistake the FA for a bunch of backwards fuckwits.

[@mankytoes]

@47 47 just correct

[@mankytoes]

@47 47 What do you think about Cameroonians?

[@mankytoes]

@47 47 Yeesh, wish I hadn't asked.

[@mankytoes]

@47 47 Very perceptive, I am an active homosexual.

[@huzepham3849]

Best football channel out there. Also your voice is so soothing

[@Meedster08]

H M i listen to their podcasts right before bed... and i think i’m been sleeping better cause of it

[@adamrobc]

Don't really understand the comments saying "they'll never be as good as men". So? That's not really the point is it?

[@zaggy3110]

But that's just what these women and the media claim (at least in the Netherlands and Germany, in other countries it will be similar)

[@adamrobc]

​@@zaggy3110 Really? Never seen that being claimed in the UK.

[@sponish0]

zaggy3110 the point is they can be as good on a technical level in terms of skill, obviously women are physically not as big strong or fast as men though nobody is claiming they are

[@Joshy-ck3on]

sponish0 They can’t be as good at then in anyway, unless it comes to being bad lol. Also they are the ones who always compare their football to men’s and say they deserve equal pay. It’s all over social media mate. You’re in denial if you disagree or you’re just being a white knight.

[@sponish0]

Joshy no they can’t but that’s accepted In all sports, in tennis a woman could never compete with a top ranked man but does that mean serena Williams is not that good at tennis cause a top ranked man would beat her? Everyone respects serena is a top class professional even if she couldn’t compete at the mens levels it should be the same with football.

[@td_8346]

Such a fascinating yet sad story, great work Tifo

[@mynumberoneguy]

Disgusting. The way men treated women back then and even now. The fragility of a lot of guys egos never ceases to amaze me. When everyone is empowered they can contribute in some shape, form or fashion to help our society grow.

[@scsutton1]

It is extraordinary how far the women's game has come in a relatively short space of time. But this just shows how much further we still have to go.

[@merseydave1]

The advancement came about in 1993 when The Football Association took over from The Women's Football Association (1969-93) who disbanded ... It was from that point onwards the progress came about. I would say, it was from around 2000 onwards that the wider public became aware of Female Football.

[@Dannypuck]

Your videos are always so well-researched but not too long or dry. I love the women's game because they aren't rolling around after every foul. I do hate the people on the Match of the Day Facbeook that tell the women to make them a sandwich whenever BBC posts women's football content.

[@L1am21]

no they just roll around after every contact full stop including heading the ball sometimes.

[@Paperbagman555]

Great video but so devastating. If there was never a ban in 1920 and the women’s league kept evolving under FA, imagine how much bigger women’s football and women’s sports in general would be these days. There would be less naysayers underselling it’s quality. These footballers were suppressed by a bunch of patriarchal old men who couldn’t bare to see a women’s league popularity compete with the men’s. Even more depressing that it took THAT LONG to lift the ban. Society has come a long way since then but still has so far to go

[@Spagoody]

Phenomenal video on what remains, sadly, a touchy subject for some people...

[@pay_]

I wonder which level women‘s football could be played at even today if human beings weren‘t as stubborn as they are...

[@Liofa73]

BobbyG --- Nonsense, thee are plenty of mixed amateur leagues around the world, where the women hold there own against the men.

[@JimmyKillem69]

@@Liofa73 name one

[@lassenikulainen6722]

There is no reason why best women players can not be on par with professional men on tactics and technical skill. On professional level the limiting factor is physical. Women can not be not strong and fast enough for high level of football. Most 17 year old football boys are so strong and fast that they can overpower pretty much any women team in the world even though the women would be more skillful. But that is the case only on team level. All women team will be under powered no matter what but there are still place for smaller and/or slower individuals if they have great skill. There would be some professional women players if there were no segregation on football. Not in champions league level but still on some professional level

[@JimmyKillem69]

@@lassenikulainen6722 men have better spatial reasoning for one so that is a lie

[@lassenikulainen6722]

​@@JimmyKillem69 There are tall women even though men are taller than women. Similarly there are way above average woman on spatial reasoning even though men are (little bit of) better on that on average. Secondly I don't think there is strong connection between football skill and spatial reasoning but feel free to point some studies that show otherwise

[@rh6_football]

Men and women should have equal opportunities in football its not men's football its not womens football it should just be football just enjoy the sport doesn't matter who is playing it! 😊⚽

[@iskindersam7834]

It does matter who plays it. I could never watch women's football. Quality is far too low

[@JakePetrolhead]

Seems like yet another story of FA incompetence and stubbornness. After all this, it's incredible to think we are one of the best international sides in the game - shame to see so many still rehashing the same arguments from the 20's which banned the game in the first place. Didn't know about the massive amounts of fundraising the early teams did too, imagine the type of people that are livid that a women's football team are helping those in need.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

No, the FA was very effective at promoting the interests of unimaginative rich old men who liked owning football clubs. It is only a disappointment if you thought it was supposed to serve the interests of the players, fans, and nation as a whole, for some weird reason.

[@elizabethmarvelfan9033]

This really annoys me as people still have the audacity to compare women and mens divisions

[@kristi4113]

“Women are unsuitable for football” USWNT: Oh, yeah? *polishes four World Cup trophies* Germany WNT: *snickering while polishing two World Cup trophies* England WNT: Boy, how times change *three major tournament semifinalists in a row*

[@iskindersam7834]

Well, of course, women can play football if you only compare their success to other women. But it's nothing compared to men's football.

[@running0where]

Sadly, the misogyny in football still stays vividly.

[@merseydave1]

From the mid/late 1990s I have researched the formative yet "hidden history" of Female Football, although you have missed some incidental details, you have encapsulated that period very well ... I thank you for educating the ill informed majority.

[@walterfrancis6896]

On the 5th of December 1921, Arthur Fitzgerald Kinnaird the wicked President of the Football Association (FA) banned Women in Football because Arthur Fitzgerald Kinnaird the wicked President of the Football Association (FA) believes that Football damages Women's bodies, damages Women's health and very inappropriate sport for Women. Arthur Fitzgerald Kinnaird the wicked President of the Football Association (FA) hated Women in Football who also believes that a Woman's place is in the kitchen not the football field. So Ladies if you are watching this, it was Arthur Fitzgerald Kinnaird the wicked President of the Football Association (FA) who banned Women in Football not the FA Council.

[@blessedking3001]

Women had it even harder back then

[@arryharry]

Yet, the public responded. It says so much for the establishment (corporations, media, government) and how opinion was forcibly swayed.

[@teresarivasugaz2313]

@The Most Interesting Man On KZbin because men's ego is so fragile that they would rather prevent women from fighting alongside them (as had been done in many less stupid societies throughout history all over the world) or sharing dangerous work (women had also been working in dangerous things like mining or heavy farming, you daft prick).

[@iskindersam7834]

And men had it harder than them. So what's your point?

[@OmarimillsEntertainment]

Jamaica to the world 🇯🇲🇯🇲🔥 we will come back stronger we no deal with weakness

[@andyb8349]

Jamaica has a good goalkeeper

[@neon3690]

Such a sad story.

[@TheHighwayDreams]

Callum Dwyer mimimimi

[@hauge9855]

TheHighwayDreams mimiiiiii

[@barmanitan]

It's absolutely disgusting... And still is... I don't think a women has been bought for more than a million pounds, and yet a man has been bought for 200 million. Astonishing.

[@beashnpull]

Don't you understand economics? What a dumb fuck you are.

[@shurupack]

fascinating as always

[@anansistirade5800]

Wow I'm angry but this is incredible I have been educated. Patriarchy is a curse, never have been so embarrassed to be a British man

[@TheHighwayDreams]

KILLTHe BODY haha you pathetic human

[@L1am21]

the ban was a class divide as womens game was working class. the only thing you should be ashamed of is you not getting that.

[@tuanmai8005]

I got questions what if they banned men football instead of women football?

[@iskindersam7834]

Men played football before it was a profession, and we'll play well long after it!

[@dhaenir]

This (honestly excellent video) then no covering of the World Cup.

[@sonicgoo1121]

A good reminder that society doesn't just move forward. No matter what you achieve, there will always be people trying to move things backwards again. You have to keep pushing.

[@andyb8349]

The goalkeepper performances have been the best thing about this World cup

[@spinnact]

If this is facetious, bear in mind two things: 1) the equally bad goalkeeping mistakes regularly made by male keepers; and 2) the size of the goals relative to stature. People still like to say the same thing about black goalkeepers (racists do), and it's worth calling out this stupidity.

[@fuckmesidewaysdaddy7875]

jack jack jack not racist in anyway but most top level keepers in the mens game are white i can think of dida who was at one point the best in the world and currently steve mandanda but they are the exceptions and womans football is terrible compared to the mens currently the players aren’t good they should scrap women’s football and if there are any female footballers who are good enough let them play in the mens game

[@andyb8349]

jack jack jack Did you watch the USA Thailand match ?

[@احمدراتب-غ7ظ]

@Behizy wasnt he the one who asked to leave even tho klopp and the club supported him and wanted him to stay also the only people who wanted him out are Twitter warriors who have never been to a football match

[@iskindersam7834]

That tells you outfield players are poor

[@rasmusjensen291]

imagine what womens football could have been

[@sasatalic85]

lol they cant win a game vs u-15 mls teams. mls is utter garbage and they cant even win vs u 15

[@playboicartiismydad4842]

@@sasatalic85 Your not very bright are you🤦🏼‍♂️

[@poparrow9416]

​@@sasatalic85and barcelona u-19 defeated by woman team

[@gu98marrafon174]

In Brazil, the game was prohibited by the president in 1941, when questioned about he said: "the ladies' feet were not suited for football shoes"

[@showmustgoon929]

This is a beautiful video.

[@_.13_]

I love watching women's football

[@Liofa73]

Once again, there are more comments by men who are so uncomfortable with their masculunity, they have to degrade women. How would you feel if every time you played your favourite sport, that you were terrible at it and should quit. It's time to grow up lads, learn to embrace a changing world and stop treating women the way our fathers and grandfathers treated them, as second class citizens. Encourage and support your female friends, family and partners. Kick out the misogyny and sexism, it's bloody pointless. Raise your daughters with the mindset that they can do anything they want.

[@TheHighwayDreams]

Liofa haha stop self projecting

[@smoketrash6807]

Should women be drafted?

[@poparrow9416]

​@@smoketrash6807so no birth? Are you stupid

[@vandeleur]

Excellent video, but that would be the 1920 FA cup final between Aston Villa and Huddersfield.

[@itstoni352]

Great vid TIFO 👍

[@EU_Red_Fox]

Even in these comments we see a few people who fail to understand that the men’s game has historically benefited and been given preferential treatment over the women’s. This ban shows onto some of the set backs the game faced and even the current WSL is still trying to find its place. I find it easy to follow my women’s Australian Rules team with little issue as it’s a chance at winning trophies for the club. Made getting a women’s membership to put my dollars to support them in addition to the men’s side.

[@JimmyKillem69]

it gets preferential treatment because people prefer to watch it

[@raycath0de]

Jimmy Killem people only prefer it because it was given preferential treatment

[@JimmyKillem69]

@@raycath0de no people prefer it because it is far more exciting to watch due to the big difference in skill between men and women

[@akshatagarwal6776]

@@JimmyKillem69 More like physicality. In terms of "skills", women can do most that men can.

[@JimmyKillem69]

@@akshatagarwal6776 nah

[@carsena1318]

big up women's football

[@iskindersam7834]

Why?

[@kopend8638]

Wow I don't realise the establishment was so involved in keeping women's football down.

[@jammicus2k3]

Big up Ulverston!

[@henryalexander3496]

Can you make a story about Djalminha?

[@ahmadzikrul898]

Maybe you should post Yemen Team in Asia cup who played in 2019 Asia cup, the story was the same as you posted about Iraq.

[@bshnizzle]

joe devine has the best voice on youtube

[@MBx19v]

Thanks for getting the flag of current day Cumbria correct.

[@jorgeezequielortiz1974]

Hi tifo i did the translated version of this i in spanish i don't know if you have to accept a request or how the system works, would be great for Spanish speakers.

[@anthtan]

Will you all be covering the history of women and football in countries where they don’t even like the idea of women *attending* matches?

[@thesuomi8550]

I mean that would be cool but I don't know if there would be enough material to make content from

[@anthtan]

TheSuomi This issue affects several countries. The tracing of the issue in each territory is a mini-story in its own right. It’s a matter of how micro Tifo want to go, whether they have access to the sources. I know I’ve come across various reports.

[@KebenCosme]

@@anthtan The Middle East is a classic example. Jordan and Iran is a case in point.

[@ejiro237]

Amazing video 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@QuestionableFishman]

6:47 Devastating but was *met met* by retaliation

[@nate_kang]

6:48 *_”Devastating but was MET MET by retaliation”_*

[@NilSatis1983]

Race riots in Liverpool in 1919….. no, that’s bad history that

[@MatthewFeyissa]

I think women on the international stage should be paid the same as men. Classic example is with the USA team where the women are winning trophies and the men cant even qualify for the world cup. Great video by tifo once again, I took inspiration from their style and produced a video on Mo Salah vs the Average Man where I look at his physical attributes and also into his shoulder injury from the 2018 Champions league final

[@maismz]

Men world cup raise 30 times more than women's but they should be paid the same ? Where do you get the money from ?

[@MatthewFeyissa]

@@maismz Most of the money goes to FIFA not the countries. Its similar to the Olympics where they draw on national pride. If I'm not mistaken everyone gets paid a standard fee then would get more from advancing further.

[@seyioladeleojo4395]

Matthew Feyissa some goes to the countries as prize money. Also they have completely different contracts (USMNT and the USWNT). The women’s tickets for friendlies are much cheaper than the men’s . Also the federations have split accounts handling men and women, so whatever increase in pay they get will be coming out of the men’s pay.

[@BujangMelaka90]

Disagree

[@johnkelly3570]

While this is a nice idea and should in theory be the case with the total revenue gained for teams and companies involved in the men’s game being so far above the revenue gained by the woman’s game it will never be the case

[@DjReXforever]

Make a video about Lampards tactics so the Chelsea fans can what they might be getting since he's heavily linked to the job

[@adrianledaal8794]

The mighty Spartans appear once again

[@00millern]

Fantastic video

[@molester9434]

Should continue to be banned! Unless they dress like volleyball girls shorts and stuff

[@evieb-s4728]

That's so sexist and disrespectful

[@timewarptrio11]

Oh snap

[@izzojunior]

Oh dear... the puns that emerge from Dick Kerr’s , I doubt that name would fly in 2019...😓 . Anyways Oranje ladies ftw!

[@merseydave1]

Dick Kerr was the Co-Name of the engineering/transport production factory, from the formative years and today many football teams used their Factory Names (as they sponsored them) ... The factory stopped supporting them and they re-named themselves as "Preston Ladies".

[@Kwamya10]

Where can I read more about this? I have no idwa why the pro women contingent hasn't publicized this more.

[@GCAbleism158]

Clare balding did a documentary on it.

[@Leviticus-ks1dj]

Why isn't banned

[@rowanhulst7474]

The good old days

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

🙏🏻🌹🙏🏽

[@ramadita1410]

Ahh the good old days

[@chikish]

Everyone should have the right to play football! That being said, women's football still sucks.

[@jordyn3563]

Just far, far from the quantity of, their male counterparts

[@doyinhaastrup3215]

Tbf I feel like this video explains why... that ban pretty much hindered Women's football from developing as well as the men... Shame when you think about it.

[@droland3949]

knobhead

[@battistoberhoel8839]

Did you even get the synthesis from this video?!

[@carsena1318]

@@battistoberhoel8839 i doubt they know what synthesis means

[@drumagus2258]

women's football>>>american's "football"

[@Tubeite]

What about Women's American Football?

[@lrc6217]

When you comment thoughtlessly

[@CoolioXXX52]

??

[@Aemond2024]

They should do it again

[@BujangMelaka90]

Women can play football but they can never achieve the same heights as men. That's all.

[@rickded2860]

No shit

[@evieb-s4728]

That's not true

[@iainrae6159]

Is there anything more tedious than women talking about the future of womens football on Womans Hour Radio 4 ?

[@Tifo]

You.

[@iainrae6159]

@@Tifo Yes, I know I was expecting your comment and thanks for your strike from the edge of the box. However I'm sure many women listeners were also bored stiff by the endless banality and cliches from the pony tailed midfielder.

[@Tifo]

None of them bothered to pop a comment on here, though. Have a great day

[@iainrae6159]

@@Tifo Best wishes to you and thankyou for being so gentle .

[@eugeniofernandez8101]

Nobody cares

[@xSoccerxCorex]

you obviously do, hence the comment. jackass!

[@brinydemon0321]

@@xSoccerxCorex and he watched the video too

[@mitchio86]

so womens football wasn't banned. They were just banned from using the big football stadiums.

[@deltaboy2011]

Yes and pretty much from publicity which means no fans and no ticket sales and no money revenue. Girls who loves football won’t play if they are not going to get paid and move on and not be a pro footballer. So for decades it’s stagnant where women don’t train or learn techniques from men side. Sure it will never match the mens side in terms of speed and physicality. But people love to watch womens sports like tennis or gymnastics or swimming, etc. cause they like to watch them. Same for football.

[@mitchio86]

@@deltaboy2011 yes but my point was not to over-react. women could still play football and they could use other stadiums. Furthermore the english FA is not the only FA in great britain. I think the spectacle effect was wearing off. Ironically the only teams that where truly banned was the mens teams - during the war!

[@deltaboy2011]

@@mitchio86 because women weren’t allow to fight in the war. And playing in small pitches with no fans was FAs attempt to destroy the competition that women side attract more than men side.

[@mitchio86]

@@deltaboy2011 I don't think woman wanted to fight in the war, you make it sound like it was a holiday 😄. Like I say there where many stadiums they could have played in. Other sports exist. Most sports, including womens football, still get only small crowds so it is not unusual. No grand conspiracy required!

[@deltaboy2011]

@@mitchio86 you be surprised, women have in the past disguise themselves to look like men to fight. Obviously doesn’t happen anymore since now women are allowed to be on the frontlines. All we know is that the FA banned women from playing under the guise that they can’t play because of too much competition of attracting fans from the mens side during the war and after.

[@hosamelsayed5723]

too bad the ban did not last forever.

[@vincentmurphy7574]

Too bad your dad didn't wear a condom

[@Ese96Agoaye]

@@vincentmurphy7574 Is Windows XP popular again?! I see people with the same picture as yours! Its even my desktop wallpaper!

[@rickded2860]

You idiot

[@bibix2]

Smh

[@amalihomer7626]

i dont care about women football. am i sexist?

[@xSoccerxCorex]

yes, especially since you took the time to leave a comment. prick!

[@Rusheman13]

That depends on why you don't care, if it just because the people playing it are women and your problem isn't to do with quality or other factors then yes, that is sexist

[@erikgarcia3995]

Doubt anyone cared