When you CAN'T have children with the person you love 💔😢 Gentleman Jack - BBC

[@fanworld2006]

These two women are so incredible in their performances. We DO NEED season 3, 4 and 5, pls!!!

[@bre3365]

I hope it’s a season 3.

[@antonioguedes2126]

@@bre3365 ¹

[@凱拉-j3x]

True!

[@downeastxg]

So powerful, so sad. I understand where they are both coming from in this scene. Lister feels she will lose yet again to a man, lose a love, a companion, not just money. Her anger covers over a deep sadness. I also get how she can cut Ann out swiftly, pain and all. History repeating itself one too many times. And I thought it was mature of Walker to speak of what she feels and thinks. Put all those inner thoughts on the table. Work it out, making that deeper commitment for the times. It wasn't too many decades ago that lesbians thought children could not be in the picture. Thank goodness for progressive thinking. We can have it all today, unlike these two beautiful historic souls. These two actors blow me away.

[@annecast8538]

I love your comment, you are absolutely right, I think the same, I also think that for Miss Lister's level of thought "believing that the purpose of life is to have children" was limiting, I understand her very well. That philosophy continued to exist forever.

[@lukasribin4168]

Children are not commodities, they’re human beings. Unless you’re going to adopt or help the children (and adults) that are already here, then you have no right to selfishly roll the dice.

[@lukasribin4168]

Yes it is limiting and also destructive.

[@ben86jones82]

Her acting in this scene is unbelievable. The pain in her voice when she feels its happening to her again. So powerful.

[@mayling141]

Suranne and Sophie's performance is so amazing! Both these actors embodies Anne Lister and Ann Walker relationship and how they make Sally's superb writings come to life! KUDOS to these three extraordinaire women.

[@annievance8073]

THIS SCENE. It's perfect. Suranne and Sophie knocked it out of the park again. BAFTA-winning performances. This show is incredible. 👏👏👏👏👏

[@m_t3901]

Gentleman Jack is the best show BBC has ever done. We need season 3 for sure. Dear BBC and HBO team, please take our million requests into consideration and make more seasons of this masterpiece. Love it 👏

[@FlagadossSupreme]

Doctor Who

[@missyb9438]

You actually need help

[@amaurisdomain7477]

Killing Eve is about as amazing. I love both shows.

[@ronhunt2254]

The B B C did make a full film year's ago called the secret diaries of miss Anne Lister. Which was also filmed at shibden and is on KZbin or dvd

[@luisacorreia8686]

@@ronhunt2254 I've seen that movie. Actually i have it.

[@dancewomyn1]

This is a difficult scene to watch because Walker unfortunately though courageous to enter the marriage, just isn't emotionally able to handle her conflicting feelings. On one hand, she loves Lister deeply, but the social pressures, the age difference, the constant barrage of Walker's deep insecurity, and emotional instability, make this very challenging for Lister who has lived her life never questioning for one moment who she is in the world. In this way, Marianna may in fact have been a choice with more equanimity in the relationship. I adore this show, and the performances! :)

[@euphoria477]

So well acted, and absolutely heart breaking.

[@madcircle0461]

As if they didn’t know two women can’t have a baby lol what a joke

[@euphoria477]

@@madcircle0461 You miss the point entirely.

[@user-xg6hx7nd8w]

@@madcircle0461 of course they know, you are the definition of an incel

[@onecheckplease7226]

Being a two mom family is amazing, and our baby is even more so! It’s a shame they were forced to miss out on it.

[@Deedee-ee1sg]

INCREDIBLE drama, great cast, and a tour de force performance from Suranne Jones! MORE, PLEASE!!!!

[@nicholc7300]

I felt ann listers heart break when hear the words you imagined children but not marriage. She still hasn't told her that she slept with her ex when she was away. I hope that they can get through this

[@kelsian_smith03]

I think Ann Walker has committed more to the marriage than what Anne Lister has

[@nicholc7300]

@@kelsian_smith03 true I think that ann lister jumped into marriage too quickly because she thought that was what she wanted but I think she's starting to regret it, plus she's too busy dealing with various people to start building a hotel etc and sinking a new coal mine to be bothered about ann walker

[@kimlinden2280]

Researchers state that there is no evidence that Lister cheated after the marriage. It is not in the diaries. In the diary, Lister writes that on that visit to see Mariana at Christmas that she acted with complete propriety when Mariana visits her room for an hour. It appears that part was some creative license by the TV show, as the diary does not have anything about that.

[@kimlinden2280]

@@nicholc7300 If you read the diaries, she had been wanting to settle with a life companion for a long time. I think there are ultimately some struggles and arguments over money (a common marital topic) and challenges in dealing with someone with mental struggles and perhaps depression. Lister is very active and Walker sometimes hesitated, waffled and didn't always get out of bed. Whereas Lister's attitude was to get up and take on whatever the day throws at you. I think they were both very committed, based on the journals. They just had their share of challenges, as many marriages do.

[@rainespells1273]

I haven’t seen a show of such astounding quality in years! This show is so refreshing and makes me feel seen in ways I’ve never felt before. PLEASE RENEW FOR A SEASON 3 BBC

[@myheadfelloffff]

Oh you missed the best part, where she comforts her

[@Aliceops]

I have never in my life heard anyone state 'Forever!' in such a positive, stately, magnificent way before. How did Suranne Jones find this way to interpret this sentiment or was it a great bit of directing or both!

[@kimlinden2280]

Great scene. I loved the meteor references, as well. Both actors are terrific. And, Suranne's was an over the top career performance, embodying Lister completely.

[@forestinmist6777]

This clip wasnt complete, it made Ann Walker looks bad. She actually softened Anne in a very gentle way to accept the angriness she throwed at her.

[@belledecaucase]

*anger* ❤️❤️❤️

[@Goldenretrieverlife3484]

I don’t see how this makes Ann Walker look bad. She loves Anne but she wants children she has every right to feel how she feels. If this is how it did go down in history. But tv likes things for dramatics.

[@kimlinden2280]

@@Goldenretrieverlife3484 The show followed Lister's diary very closely, oftentimes word for word regarding the scenes between Lister and Walker Lister's diary spells out some of the conversations she and Walker had about children and the fact that it would be a sacrifice.

[@TheFire1202]

Ms. Walker clearly saw the future.

[@joannemead6509]

What a pity that all those years ago, when so many, many children were so desperately in need of homes and families,( just as they are today), that these ladies never seemed to have considered adopting. Surely they could have made it possible to go about this in a fitting way for the times? I’m no expert, but I think wealthy people often took on ‘wards’, who they cared and provided for and in many cases loved dearly. I know the child or children wouldn’t be biologically theirs, (because sadly, that wasn’t possible then, obviously), but what great parents these guys would’ve made and what an opportunity to have the beautiful shared bond of a child or children to cherish together. What a wonderful chance,sadly missed😔❤️

[@kimlinden2280]

It's only been the last couple of recent decades that same sex couples could adopt kids. It's more of a 21st century thing. So, assuming it could have occurred in the 19th century may be a stretch.

[@janlowe8418]

This scene is so powerful on so many levels! 100% this is a BAFTA winning performance no question!

[@lightmo_99]

Season 3 would be lovely! ❤

[@JdWi-96]

Yes it is horrible for both of them. Horrible for Ann Walker not to experience having a child with Anne Lister & for Ann L. who is unable to give Ann W. a child. Devastating that these two beautiful people who are so much in love must go through this terrible anguish. I know this too well. This scene is spot on and done so truthfully. Thank you for portraying this painful subject with genuine empathy and respect.

[@Katieawfc15]

And the BAFTA goes to…

[@CarolsFerrao]

These two are just perfect! This show is amazing and deserves more seasons. 2023 should win some awards for sure!

[@ehiehi7858]

WE NEED A SEASON 3!!!!!!!!!!

[@the.antihero0]

i really cried in this scene..

[@M4r7s0l]

Habrían sido maravillosas madres. Amo a Anne y Ann. Queremos más Gentleman Jack

[@taramtatamnow]

Wow, what an intensity! 😲 btw, you missed the scene's ending, BBC: When Ann Walker comforts Anne Lister. ❤ Season 3 has to happen!!!

[@vickikgibson9470]

My fav. scene on this topic, was in the church, visiting the grave of the 5-year-old child. Here we get a deep insight into Ann Lister, and her own longings, which until now, we really never see. She ponders on fate, reincarnation, her place, and parenthood. It's a deeply touching look into her true thoughts, and AW has the opportunity here to know that Ann L also feels the loss in life. And it is she now, who can empathize with Ann L and support her. Now they have a deeper bond with this understanding between them. wonderful, full characters from these two actresses, who have brought them both into the light of day. Suranne is deeply touching, funny, strong, and very real. She has many many layers to her, which unfolds as we go along with her.

[@88motho]

I love this Show so much 😍 , Didn't even know there is a Season 2 already 😳, just saw this episode by luck on BB1 on Sunday evening and was like 😳, l really want to see Season 1 again. Will not miss any episode from Now.

[@tamdonovan244]

more seasons please

[@AeryisaTargaryen]

Please season 3 🥰😍😍😍

[@DarRoberts27]

I want a spin off in modern times, where they have what they dream T_T

[@thedragonsunicorn]

fr. that's all i can think about when i watch this show. ann and anne would've lived such great lives in this decade. free from discrimination (not entirely ofc), raising kids together, legally married etc. if only they were born 2 centuries later :(

[@ruthcaceres5576]

Seria genia un Spin off💜♥️💙💚

[@thehopefuledwardian]

I would absolutely watch that

[@kimlinden2280]

What I admire most about Lister especially is the strength and courage she showed to live her life on her own terms, at a time when it was so challenging to do so, from the time she was a teenager and throughout her life. What a bold, confident woman, in so many ways, with a family who supported her, as well.

[@Mandyb05]

They are working on a younger version of Anne's life. I don't think it includes Suranne. ☹️

[@rkaydia]

A truly great scene - thrilling tension builds!

[@mjspice100]

When I watched this scene and discussed it with my wife after, my thought was that this was a conversation that needed to be had, fast forward to 2022, there are plenty of gay couples out there now who are either having children or adopting them. Of course in the 19th century this would not have been an option in any way shape or form, the technology for AI didn’t exist, neither would there have been any legal basis for adoption but the desire for children wouldn’t have been any less. Anne Walker was quite a bit younger than Lister and would have been going through the feeling that her body clock is ticking away, hence the conversation we saw here.

[@lukasribin4168]

The technology should not exist, it’s an absolute waste of resources and money which could be sued to improve the quality of lives of those already living. It’s selfish science beyond anything else, all for the parents, never for the child. And those who are able to naturally conceive are no better, they think their offspring is more important and worthy than those already suffering every day whom they could use their means to help others.

[@evar1104]

I adore Ann (and Sophie) 💕

[@lyndatillett5343]

Yes we do, so their amazing performances don't go to waste xx

[@isabela9005]

So many lives made so much sadder because of stupid prejudice. RIP Ann Walker and Anne Lister you would've loved the 21st century. How many children do you think they would've had if they could have any??

[@meloettafg]

tbh i was abt to throw hands at anne after that, like, i get where she's coming from (especially w how S1 Started) history repeating itself, however i just can't stand to see Ann sad (must protect at all cost) this show is going to be the mental declive for me, such good performance from both of them.

[@rachelb.anders3344]

I love them! This is the most amazing show!

[@leticiacardoso4022]

It's so sad, but it so on point, in that time, how awful to have choose about all these things because it wasn't legal, it wasn't supossed to exist. And even nowadays, with all the discussions and advantages, we have to struck on this subject like the existence of it is a mistake. I wish whith Gentleman Jack the conversations could be more kind and progressive in the "real world", it could be a good reflexe for good actions e kindeness with lesbian and bissexuals women.

[@rociogg27]

Tengo unas ganas de q anne deje de ser la chica dulce y delicada, y saque su genio y disconformidad con su pareja . Hasta ahora , ha sido, un remanso de subordinación , gustaría ver como aún queriendo a su pareja , impone su parecer, con confianza y firmeza . En ninguna pareja se debe dar la subordinación por amor .

[@hannahchelsea105]

Felt so sorry for Anne lister as Ann walker should know what she wants at this point hopefully they will have a happy ending. brilliantly acted by suranne Jones I've never been so hooked on a show until i watched this. Thank you for representing lgbt please can we have series 3 and 4 💖💜💚💙

[@gabrielebernardo3771]

She knows what she wants. She just understanding and coping with the feeling of wanting children and not having them. She made her choices and they lived happily married for eight years ❤️

[@kimlinden2280]

@@gabrielebernardo3771 She did yo yo around for months, back and forth on it, which was excrutiating,at times, for Lister. You can see it in the diary entries when she tries to minimize her feelings for Walker, to protect herself, in case Walker bails on her.

Las amo😭😭

[@avenidassp5020]

This clip very very good beautiful i love

[@fanworld2006]

WOW!!! Can´t wait to watch the Ep!!

[@anavalls]

Amazing ❤👌 want more seasons

[@karenjhine]

Modern gays can adopt or use IVF or surrogacy but it's still not the same as having a biological kid with your partner. Being gay will sadly always have disadvantages.

[@jotakah1305]

Im gay and have no children is a bless

[@チャムちゃん-s7p]

It's not that everyone wants to have a baby, silly! I'm gay girl and I don't feel having a baby. And I don't feel disadvantageous. I need someone who can fit and care about me. That's enough, not baby problem. And I think baby problem is just for straight couples. I see many straight couples broke up because one of the two can't have a birth, man or woman.

[@claragomezb.7849]

Are there any news regarding a possible new season yet?

[@lynnlRDR-RDR2]

I love the vest they have on lister

[@christophe5076]

The best série ♥️😘 please saison 3 !!!!!😘😘😘😘

[@mariamamali7218]

This scene is so sad 😭...They were both devastated Thankfully in 2022, gay/lesbian couples who want kids, they can have with IVF or adoption. Also, Renew Gentleman Jack for season 3! This show is amazing!

[@madcircle0461]

They still can’t have a baby together no matter what they do it’s someone else’s baby and maybe one of theirs. Pathetic that they are surprised that two chicks or two dudes can’t have a baby. Something you learn when you’re 4 years old.

[@Abdoulah17]

if they have children with adoption or something else it means they are leaving on the misery of a family of a man and a woman somewhere. These kind of “ human beings “ should take responsibility of their horrible choices they don’t have the right of others children. They only have to blame the porn industry and Netflix and its sisters on turning them to these inhuman behavior.

[@hojosconsal9913]

@@madcircle0461 dayum you dense as a brick

[@jupiter9881]

@@madcircle0461 How is it pathetic? They were clearly ahead of their time, speculating on what has actually become an option. That's actually how progress and inventions happen; speculating about something that is not yet possible and figuring out how to make it happen. Of course they knew that two women and two men could not have a baby, on their own, at that time. There is nothing in their conversation that indicates they aren't aware of that. The conversation talks about envisioning the possibility. Everyone who has ever had IVF using egg or sperm donors, whether it's heterosexual or homosexual couples, the resulting baby IS their own. It's not ever "someone else's baby".

[@franciscojose6496]

Great channel

[@englishforya]

🙏💚

[@yesmaam5843]

💔💔💔💔💔

[@doucedan]

Why Ann changes her mind about children. She knew , Anne has been precise about that in 1st season…..

[@チャムちゃん-s7p]

She always changes when there is something "effect" her mind. She has metal health I think Anne is sometime tired of her about this. But Anne really loves Ann and always wants to make her happy , you know till the day Anne passed away. I appreciate their love for each other.

[@leticiacardoso4022]

Even the conversation before, it's still a subject that makes her sadness. She doesn't like men, but she think about children, and it's ok have doubts, inconstance. I think if it was possible, she would love to have a children with Anne, mostly in that time, have a family was important, and I think the problem with her will, the dependency of her sister and her husband, made all the things too bad, because if she had a child it could be different, it's about legacy too, besides bond and purpose. If it was nowadays they could consider all these things, so the talk could be another.

[@maudlynt33]

@@leticiacardoso4022 I completely agree with you, I which they could adopt it’s so sad

[@mayling141]

@@leticiacardoso4022 - Also, the implication of the how they are perceived in society if they have a child. Anne Lister's flaw is that she was a snub hence she only mingles with her own class and climbs up to the social ladder of Aristocracy. A scandal like this will bring them both into ruins. Look at how she threatens her own sister, Marian if she marries Mr. Abbott.

[@kimlinden2280]

@@mayling141 But, Lister had other relationships with people not up the social ladder, such as Mariana. When she set her sights on Walker, it was actually a safer bet. Because of Walker's wealth, she was at less risk of feeling pressure to marry a man and more likely to commit as a result. As the series notes, Mariana and Lister knew they would be penniless if they stayed together when they were young. Women, at that time, did not have paths to earn their own living in ways modern women can.

[@conticc661]

This must have a 3th season at least

[@flickrebeat8936]

Unfortunately this is true, cause Captain Sutherland and Elizabeth put her in an Asylum, and she did have to fight with her nephew to get the house.

[@ruthcaceres5576]

Por favor alguien podría decir qué episodio es este?

[@cumbiera2intelectual]

Es el sexto episodio de la segunda temporada!

[@ruthcaceres5576]

@@cumbiera2intelectual gracias

[@karma8292]

😢😭😥❤️

[@julie8234]

Lovely to see Ava Shelby ❤️

[@mayling141]

😁 Ahhh... You're a PEAKY too, eh? 😅

[@julie8234]

@@mayling141 yup

[@mayling141]

@@julie8234 😂

[@gitongajames521]

😭😭

[@CaterinaRivanor]

Thank God , no babies

[@チャムちゃん-s7p]

Can they not adopt?

[@robertarichiero2886]

Not in those times! Come on!

[@kimlinden2280]

Same sex couples couldn't even adopt in the 20th century. So, definitely not in the 19th century. It's only been approved in recent decades as an option.

[@SMichaelDeHart]

Adoption was available in the 18th century too!!

[@imogenlenore]

I suppose she doesn't feel that would be the same as having a biological child.

[@SMichaelDeHart]

@@imogenlenore you do realize that the show is make believe...as in NOT real. The writer or producer could have written it into the dialog.

[@imogenlenore]

@@SMichaelDeHart Of course I know it's not real, but the writer could have decided "the character doesn't feel that would be the same as having a biological child". Thus, adoption ain't an option lol.

[@mariamamali7218]

Backn then, an unmarried woman couldn't adopt, unfortunately

[@SMichaelDeHart]

@@imogenlenore I was being facetious...but in today's times, there are some that actually believe it's real.

[@samanthab1923]

Can’t they adopt. Have a ward.

[@AnoNymous-dh2sv]

I thought of that too, but back in those days it wouldn't be legal. They wouldn't be considered a family.

[@samanthab1923]

@@AnoNymous-dh2sv Thanks, because they’re women.

[@kimlinden2280]

@@AnoNymous-dh2sv It's only been a decade or two since adoption agencies began to be open about same sex couples adopting So, 200 years ago, it would not have been an option.

[@jasminefrichtl806]

Why cant they just adopt some children plenty of orphans out in the world

[@kimlinden2280]

Do people realize that same sex couples have only been able to adopt children in the last decade or two? And, it's still very difficult in many regions.

[@luanaj.demelo6227]

💜🎩

[@kittygranollers6232]

Adoption anyone?

[@AnoNymous-dh2sv]

I thought of that too, but in those days it wouldn't be legal. They wouldn't be considered a family.

[@kimlinden2280]

Same sex couples have only been able to adopt in the last few decades. It's a very recent thing for couples to get approved.

[@kittygranollers6232]

@@kimlinden2280 pleaaaase, they had many, they could've easily bought a healthy baby, make it pass like if it was from a distant relative and make him heir or heiress.

[@jupiter9881]

@@kittygranollers6232 You think that would have been easy? To fake a baby and heir, with all the relatives scrutinizing every single thing? There is no way, in that time period, that they could have passed off an "heir" when there was no legal basis even for their marriage. First off, they would have to be able to legally adopt a baby as a single woman. Not likely in those times. Single people could not even adopt as recently as the 1970's and 1980's in many countries. Second, if you pass it off as Walker's relatives baby, her invasive relatives would have investigated that thoroughly. And, Anne Lister's inheritance of Shibden for her "lifetime" period was also based on her discussion with her Uncle that she would not ever marry a man and, thus, would not have children and the estate would eventually go to another Lister wing after the deaths of both Lister and Walker.

[@jupiter9881]

@@kittygranollers6232 They wouldn't have likely been able to buy a baby and just easily make him or her the heiress. First, Anne Lister had promised her Uncle James that the Shibden estate would eventually go to the Listers of Swansea. It was the wish of Uncle James that the property would eventually pass to that branch of the Lister family. And Anne Lister's conversations with her Uncle about the estate and the Uncle's decision to put her in "charge" of the estate, upon his death, was heavily influenced by Lister telling him that she would not be marrying in the traditional sense, to a man, and thus would not be having kids and heirs. And, Lister was very loyal to Uncle James and she would have honored his requests regarding his will and estate plans. And, this is why Anne Lister's will gave Ann Walker a "life" interest, but also stated that the estate would eventually past to the Listers of Swansea. Also, I doubt that Ann Walker's meddling relatives, including those who had suspiciously gained property, in violation of Walker's father's will intent, would have allowed an adopted baby to be an heir or heiress and gain control of Walker's estate. Considering they had Ann Walker institutionalized, for awhile, after Lister's death, I don't see that they would have allowed a non-blood relative to inherit any of Walker's estate.

[@claragomezb.7849]

And what about adoption?

[@kimlinden2280]

You think they would have been able to do that 200 years ago? Gay couples could not even get approved for adopting needy children 25 years ago. And, they still can't in many regions around the world.

[@claragomezb.7849]

@@kimlinden2280 Yeah, good point. I was thinking about them taking an orphan under their wing or maybe even become patrons of an entire orphanage and then kind of become mother figures to all the kids.

[@jupiter9881]

@@claragomezb.7849 Well, Walker did start a school for kids; so, they were involved with kids, in some ways.

[@claragomezb.7849]

@@jupiter9881 I’ll have to watch it again. I didn’t catch she was the founder! 😍

[@russbuttypennyblackblade]

PHET ED...METH MAN

[@lukasribin4168]

Boo hoo, Antinatalism

[@memorylane8395]

Fuuu🤢

[@kanux_rbx2536]

First

[@aungpyaesone1024]

Congrats

[@bilalahmad-bo9ge]

I didn't really get the impression, why she wants a child but don't want a man?

[@rtggaming8552]

Well because she's a lesbian. And can't a person have a child without being with a specific gender?!

[@bilalahmad-bo9ge]

@@rtggaming8552 I now got thanks, there may be other medical ways to have a child without having a man to intercourse with...

[@user-xg6hx7nd8w]

@@cathhl2440 what do you mean?

[@bilalahmad-bo9ge]

@@user-xg6hx7nd8w be respectful dude!

[@AW-zv2to]

@@bilalahmad-bo9ge she needs to be respectful to less fortunate people

[@guff9567]

This is the woodenest of acting I've EVER seem. It can only be the BBC

[@jupiter9881]

You have to watch the whole 16 episodes to get a feel for the amazing acting. One scene, out of context, tells you very little about the acting, as you don't have the background of the characters and what led to the conversation.