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@l0I0I0I024 күн бұрын
Ty! What is the lifetime of the panels? Science is essential, but cost will make it or break it, meaning in this case longevity.
@Ginita1223 күн бұрын
Only one task each second .. that was a good one ...
@slateslavens23 күн бұрын
So let me ask what I think is the obvious question regarding perovskites: To my knowledge, the biggest problem to solve with its durability is that they break down under exposure to sunlight. Is it a specific frequency (for any given perovskite) that causes it to break down? If it's a frequency that's outside the useful range for perovskites and silicon, could a filter layer "just"* be stacked on top of it to block the offending frequency band? I understand that ideally we want to convert it _all_ into electricity, but if the cell can't use it then blocking it can't hurt much. *I acknowledge that "why don't you just" is the single most infuriating thing a professional can hear from someone who has no understanding of the complexities the professional deals with on a daily basis. I use that wording here as a casual idiot who really knows barely more about solar panels than presented by KZbin's various science communicators. Thanks, Les
@camplethargic823 күн бұрын
I watched the entire video, and seem to have missed the explanation of why perovskite photovoltaics in the hands of Oxford PV "just changed everything". Are they rendered suddenly practical from a cost or durability breakthrough? Can anyone time stamp this moment in the video? Or is this just another click bait featurette without a payoff? Edit: At 16:32 there is mention of "additional layers of packaging are needed to take a lab material and turn it into a material that can survive in the real world." Is this the breakthrough that "changed everything"? No other group of people, aside from Oxford PV, figured out this extra layers approach? That seems a bit incredible.
@Agnemons23 күн бұрын
Never let perfection get in the way of good enough.
@boltvanderhuge871123 күн бұрын
Framing videos like this is so obnoxious. TL;DW: their cells are 20% more efficient. Not 20% of the sun's energy more, but 20% of the efficiency of conventional solar cells, aka less than 5% more of the sun's energy. And it's not like we couldn't reach this efficiency before, or even do much better, but simply that reaching it wasn't cost effective.
@Adam-pt3cb23 күн бұрын
But the physical limit for efficiency of single layer cells sits at c.30%. As such it’s unclear that we could go much better before.
@boltvanderhuge871123 күн бұрын
@Adam-pt3cb these aren't even single cells though; they're a layer on top of a traditional cell
@justinbaker288322 күн бұрын
@@boltvanderhuge8711 yeah it feels dumb. pretending a dual layer 1m square is comparable to a single layer 1m square feels disingenuous. if the dual layer square is more efficient than 2 1m squares, then we're getting somewhere
@SianaGearz22 күн бұрын
Ah thanks for TLDW. I think for the next 20 years, we perhaps don't even need a more efficient cell, in the sense of a cell that captures more solar power per unit of footprint area, because we aren't anywhere near close to saturating possible solar installation footprint. Instead we need cells which are cost effective in terms of total lifetime output per unit of cost, high endurance, and not too difficult to recycle into new raw material.
@blucat422 күн бұрын
So what? The title is accurate (sorry you assumed anything), and it's interesting on how solar cells work. I love this channel but it has a dedicated hard-core hate group. Go away if you don't like the channel. Why watch?
@test-rj2vl23 күн бұрын
To save to 20 min: New best efficiency is 24% now (at 16:25).
@goranz944623 күн бұрын
24? Not much.
@sdtok52723 күн бұрын
Yeah, bit misleading how he promotes 20% increase compared to silicon (20->24%). But then the 28%->24% decrease in efficiëncy due to protective material is almost talked about as negligible.
@Nine-Signs23 күн бұрын
So in other words this video is clickbait given 22% panels have been on the market for an age and 24% is an incremental efficiency gain not a breakthrough. Thanks, no need to waste my time on the rest of what I already know.
@ArandelaGriffe23 күн бұрын
damn THANKS for the timer, the first ads-minute was awfull...
@kakistocracyusa23 күн бұрын
Which is just a clickbait advertisement for the greatly over-hyped under-performing perovskite cells that have crappy life-cycles.
@peteralflat28123 күн бұрын
For a roof installation, when you take the cost of scaffolding, wiring, inverter, roof frames, labour, and profit, a solar panel that is 40% more expensive (for example) might only push the costs up by 20%. People doing price comparisons often often miss this point. The panals are only part of the overall system installation costs. Throw a home battery in and the costs work even more in favour of more efficient cells.
@potato983223 күн бұрын
Which is why it's more efficient for an industry to produce energy rather than individual residences. Industry can save on costs, materials, and carbon expenditure using economies of scale. We shouldn't care how the electricity is produced. We should only care that our power outlets deliver reliable power. Electricity should be produced by industry using nuclear, solar cells, geothermal, or elephants jumping on trampolines. Regardless of how it's done it won't make a difference to us as long as it's green.
@wojciech64923 күн бұрын
@@potato9832theoretically it's true in terms of efficiency but decentralisation give also another advantages
@Sim-q9t23 күн бұрын
I think about this a lot. Humans have hardly really ever had enough extra to always build the ideal solution. What we have now is because of sacrifice. For all or most history. Roads, houses, Schools, farms, entire cities just kind of happen over time. Then having 20 20 hindsight. We can see the best. They even know at the time there are ideal or better ways, and there are realistic levels of perfection that are attained. That just always leaves people either catching up with stuff as it breaks, fixing it, and still theres growth. It would always be best to put the best possible roofing system on your house, so in an ideal world the ones who would live there in the future never even worry about a roof leak and it lasts forever and makes the rest of the house last forever. That is always choice. But, not always possible. That I think is a problem that can be addressed and it could help advance human progress if it is. But you are right. it's true. The Wires for the system add tons of cost.Don't cheap out if you have the choice. Think If one is to get the best wiring, it costs a lot more. Just that is a huge efficiency thing. and cost thing. Wire gauge. We need to get a taste for how much energy our bodies can make and use and then compare it to our machines. That's why we get weaker and weaker and now barely resemble our ancestors, allegedly. We are just out of touch with how much energy we use, feel we deserve, or how much energy is ACTUALLY needed to be alive and happy and healthy and why we use so much more. Sent using energy. Sorry. Also have you heard of phase change materials insulation.
@vyrv671923 күн бұрын
@@Sim-q9t That's an INCREDIBLY reductionist look at history. The longest lived empires, buildings, cultures, and even Religions all have historical evidence of a MUCH larger amount of care put into planning for that perfection PRIOR to execution. A comparison of cultures has been done by a few dozen Master's students (Ty Jstor) correlating how deeply a culture valued planning, efficiency, and mastery to the longevity of that culture(each focused on a different one, or collection of these traits, but the over arching theme is surprisingly common) It isn't hard to guess which direction the trends pointed. The more you plan out prior to execution, the longer you, your creation, and your very society survive. It's incredibly stark.
@dynamicworlds123 күн бұрын
@@potato9832yes and no. Yes there are advantages to massive solar farms, but you also have to take into account land value and energy losses getting the power where it needs to go. Likewise, distributed power generation feeding into a smart grid will be less susceptible to power outages. Solar on every roof combined with distributed storage batteries would be a very robust system and reliability of power is valuable as well. Weighing the costs vs benefits of different approaches gets complicated quickly.
@TiredTom6723 күн бұрын
With all the negativity i see on twitter, and the selfishness I see of world leaders, Im so grateful to even PEER into the work these people do. I really lifts my spirits and hopes for the future. Brilliant minds such as these should be the ones lifting and leading us to better lives.
@vinny14223 күн бұрын
Are you AI?
@akissot140223 күн бұрын
@@vinny142 Absolutely! It’s truly inspiring to see such brilliant minds pushing the boundaries of what’s possible. While negativity can often overshadow the great work happening in the world, it's these groundbreaking advancements in solar efficiency that remind us of the incredible potential humanity has to create a brighter future. Let's celebrate the innovators and visionaries who are leading the charge toward sustainable energy solutions! Together, we can shine a light on hope and progress!
@SolarizeYourLife23 күн бұрын
Twitter is dead... X is fascist...
@nokidding15223 күн бұрын
lol you really are AI. Looking forward to our lovely future
@------83723 күн бұрын
@vinny142 just because someone is good a science doesn't mean you would be a good politician. Brains are but one part of what makes a good leader. A leader that listens to expertise and is smart enough to weigh the pro/cons is what is important for a leader.
@JJ-fr2ki23 күн бұрын
TLDR; 24% with packaging. 28% in lab.
@TrickyNekro23 күн бұрын
So what... Max 4% more than regular panels? Pathetic!
@sectokia190923 күн бұрын
And 0% at economic production.
@syrus3k23 күн бұрын
@@sectokia1909 so this isn't a "step change" at all. Bullshit clickbait video
@LilMissMurder340923 күн бұрын
@@TrickyNekro We're all, with bated breath, looking forward to you publishing your scientific advancement that shows these _obvious_ amateurs how it's done.
@TrickyNekro23 күн бұрын
@@LilMissMurder3409 Solar thermal already can achieve 60% efficiency. Geothermal is also a possible path. One could also combine the two. I don't need do anything. Edit: with btw the problem of energy storage almost solved in the same facilities. Existing technology can be used, produces far less e-waste, don't produce anywhere near the green house effect through self-heating etc. etc. etc.. So yes, 4% max at best possible scenario for current PV for use on earth and not maybe niece space applications is totally and utterly.... Pathetic!
@doublepinger23 күн бұрын
I would've liked to hear more about the toxicity / sealing efficacy. The ability to mass produce is one thing, but it would've been useless without an effective resistance to degradation.
@autohmae23 күн бұрын
It's pretty simple reason they didn't: because they don't want their competitors to know.
@DooMMasteR23 күн бұрын
@@autohmae still, Cadmium and Lead have been banned for good reason, so introducing these to an open market would have to overcome SIGNIFICANT hurdles. And for good reason, humans suck at keeping toxic stuff in check once they distribute it in use, see lead in electronics and Cadmium in batteries.
@autohmae23 күн бұрын
@@DooMMasteR I don't think safety was the main reason in this case, we are talking about films and layers in solar panels humans don't really interact with directly and it's not like people will DIY solar panels to try and build state of the art panels either.
@DooMMasteR23 күн бұрын
@@autohmae I mean, you don't eat batteries or PCBs either and still.. stuff ends up in places it should not. RoHS is pretty comprehensive nowadays.
@anticarrrot22 күн бұрын
@@DooMMasteR It's almost like putting lead in fuel and have it belching out of every exhaust pipe for decades might have something to do with it.... Lead pewter, water pipes, and paint are also very common historic sources of lead contamination. Lead is bad, and hould be avoided where at all possible, but putting a tiny amount in solar panels (assuming their particular secret forumla does) is not exactly a panic button moment.
@KarmaCadet22 күн бұрын
that joke about only completing tasks at one cycle per second really hertz...
@pappapappi91779 күн бұрын
Yeah, it hurts by the Anglo-Saxons.. not by the Germans 😊
@terryhayward790523 күн бұрын
"Famous for doing only 1 task each second" Now I need to clean the coffee off my screen.
@peetiegonzalez184523 күн бұрын
I literally read your comment exactly as he said that out loud and thank goodness I wasn't drinking coffee.
@blucat422 күн бұрын
It wasn't that funny.
@terryhayward790522 күн бұрын
@@blucat4 If it wasn't funny, you didn't understand the joke.
@blucat422 күн бұрын
@@terryhayward7905 Yes, 1 Htz = 1 oscillation per second, and so he was famous for doing a task per second. It's not only a not funny joke, it isn't even a joke, just idiots managing to correlate two things.
@endoflevelboss22 күн бұрын
@@blucat4Terry laughs when he hears wordplay that requires rudimentary scientific knowledge to understand. He laughs in the hope other people will say "why are laughing Terry?" And he can then dazzle them with his "elite knowledge" that most 12 year old high school students know. 🤓
@android0197823 күн бұрын
I love the quote “the sun has never raised its price”. So if that’s true and the tech to convert it to electricity keeps getting cheaper, things don’t look so bleak after all.
@dynamicworlds123 күн бұрын
Things are going to get really bad. It's not as bleak as it could be as decarbonization is entirely within our means. The problem is the political will to do it and the fact that we've already waited too long. There are areas of the Earth which will be rendered uninhabitable already. It's just a question of how MUCH of the planet we're going to loose access to.
@nerath63923 күн бұрын
@@dynamicworlds1 Also .... all the idiots forgetting about the billions of people forced to migrate into other countrys ... maga is already getting a meltdown because of mexicans
@tristan721622 күн бұрын
@@dynamicworlds1We're likely to lose Florida soon, just because of home insurance. Large parts of the dry West also, but there the cities will survive because they exclude wildfires.
@android0197822 күн бұрын
The great extinction event known as 21st and 22nd centuries? There are certainly hard times ahead, but if we can solve energy, that frees up a lot of resources to solve the other problems.
@sansabh21 күн бұрын
@@android0197820th & 21st
@popviz331623 күн бұрын
@18:30 - Perfect is the enemy of good. Any practical advance on the current tech is excellent news
@ShaunHall-i7e23 күн бұрын
When I was a teenager I remember watching James Burke's Connections. He explained how throughout history we build our knowledge on what others have done in the past. I'm happy to say he is rebooting his series again. Of all the accomplishments we have made our ability to learn through language is the one traits that we should cherish most because if we didn't none of the things we have today would exist. Your channel rocks!
@chrishorne401622 күн бұрын
A link would be nice ?
@georgemellen692223 күн бұрын
I've watched many youtube videos on the subject of perovskites, but this is by far the most detailed and useful. Thanks for this.
@lithiumflower3133721 күн бұрын
shoutout to Oxford PV for still rocking Windows 7 18:22
@daemn4223 күн бұрын
Nothing says "in production" like.. "they wouldn't let me hold their panel"..
@SaHaRaSquad22 күн бұрын
To be fair that was a flexible prototype, not the one they actually produce.
22 күн бұрын
I would bet that many of the first prototypes have been tested in military and spaceflight applications and this is where the first year or two of production will go.. A company in Texas is making double sided panels in the 22% range and I don't see it taking long for fabs to get up to production levels maybe a year before the volume is up to retail levels.. If they can get the cost down and lifespan up in two years I would consider adding a bank of these in place of the 300 watt panels I have now as afternoon energy production..
@sansabh21 күн бұрын
Even Chinese are manufacturing perovskite cells, iirc
@lordofelectrons451323 күн бұрын
Summer 2024 DIY 14 KW system installed. Despite a modest understanding of the physics the tech has a almost magic feel. Having control over only a tiny fraction of the suns power is rather amazing, far more power than a small campfire and way more useful.
@jasonhildebrand157415 күн бұрын
10:30 I'm not sure what Dr. Chris Case was thinking when he said "superconductors are used to cool MRI systems". No. The MRI machine is cold so that the superconductors stay cold. They need to be cold so that they maintain their induced magnetic fields. The magnetic fields are necessary in order for the MRI to penetrate object ( humans) in order to see inside them. In other words, "cryogenic fluids like liquid nitrogen are used to cool superconductors, and they are what make MRI machines possible"
@Rock489610 күн бұрын
"High Temperature" distinguishes superconductors that need to be colder than liquid nitrogen and those that can be high enough temperature that liquid nitrogen is can cool them.
@Tsardoz23 күн бұрын
Dr. Chris Case is an ENGINEER not a physicist. Please give us engineers more due for the technology we develop. Of course we cannot work without the contributions of physicists but the converse is also true.
@myuncle223 күн бұрын
And also they treat inventors as if they don't know anything about science. Actually, I think science is mostly a recap of history of inventions. Every invention leads to a new theory.
@kimnach23 күн бұрын
A phrase that one of our managers used and I did not fully appreciate when I started my engineering career was "better is the enemy of good enough."
@thomastmc23 күн бұрын
No one cares how well you can drive a train bro 😉
@Unmannedair23 күн бұрын
It is possible for somebody to both be a physicist and an engineer. I went to school for physics engineering... It's an actual thing.
@markcalhoun821923 күн бұрын
Science discovers what is possible, engineering discovers what is practical... with enough education that can be one person even if they are two different tasks.
@Kevin_Street20 күн бұрын
Thank you for the wonderful video! Perovskite solar cells certainly look like they'll be a key technology in our future, so it's a good idea to understand how they work as completely as we can.
@ariisaac511121 сағат бұрын
@Dr_Miles, I really appreciated you showing the animated explainer on how the photovoltaic effect works and how/why band gaps control the output voltage and the efficiency curve and all that. I never new or understood this. Keep up your great educational and science work!
@TCL_Dasler18 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. As an environmental engineer, battling the planet's climate difficulties, it's good to know other (more complicated) fields are doing their damndest for humanity's future. Looking at the comments, a lot of folks clearly already have ALL of the answers (or more likely watched a video of someone else telling them 😂) but for a lot of us grafting outside and either not smart enough to get a lab job, or too busy applying it practically to read and study, this has been very positive and helpful news. Thanks.
@danieljensen615415 күн бұрын
They’d just prefer to watch it in a TikTok video and forget it 30 seconds later
@barakobama8194Күн бұрын
Cope
@metalhead255023 күн бұрын
High five machines 😂😂😂 That's hilarious!
@wiremonkeyshop23 күн бұрын
Love his dry delivery! I thought, "what did he just say?"
@NWRefund23 күн бұрын
That joke earned my subscription.
@Thankz4sharing23 күн бұрын
For those who know nothing about glove boxes: If you do ever visit a lab with one, don't don't actually give it a vigorous high five. (But if you must, make sure somebody records a video to entertain the rest of us.)
@chippysteve452422 күн бұрын
That's not what my proctologist calls them!
@Doktor4717 күн бұрын
Hugabees moment
@crawkn23 күн бұрын
The only mention I heard of a resolution of the problem of the delicacy of the material was "layers of additional packaging," which is rather a vague reference considering it is the most challenging issue with perovskites.
@andrewhallock254823 күн бұрын
Sharing information vs. secrecy until patented always seems a huge roadblock. I truly hope this works out. I won't hold my breath in the meantime.
@SepticFuddy19 күн бұрын
It's a real fancy term for Gorilla Glass™
@crawkn19 күн бұрын
@SepticFuddy it would cover it but it wouldn't seal it
@recaplrg355216 күн бұрын
I highly appreciate that you do those kind of videos based on visiting the research places and interviewing the people instead of articles. Makes this whole video way more interesting.
@kookeekwisp22 күн бұрын
1:20 is this loss?
@ironic717816 күн бұрын
nahhhh💀💀💀
@mateuslima78815 күн бұрын
Omg
@BoundLessHills15 күн бұрын
It just might be
@belowmars22 күн бұрын
silicon cell efficiency >27% and module efficiency >25% already being mass produced, not the 18-20% limit you said in the video 8:30, it's actually much higher than that.
@sansabh21 күн бұрын
What I thought, too!
@koaasst21 күн бұрын
Most commercially available solar panels have an efficiency of less than 23%, with an average range of 15% to 20%. i wish 25 was being mass produced
@stanislavbandur735520 күн бұрын
@@koaasst we installed about 35 000 PV panels and through two last years they raised from 20.5% up to 20.8% through the 4 types of PVs from 400Wp up to 550Wp - mostly because of size changes (all Risen Solar company) /calculated from standard measurement environment with perpendicular light with intensity of 1000W/m2 - then any deviation from that, lowers efficiency drastically = clouds, fog, tilt, dust .... /
@astoni31420 күн бұрын
Maybe on the planet Mercury perhaps?
@sansabh20 күн бұрын
Thanks for your clarification @@stanislavbandur7355
@TheFutureIsEloi23 күн бұрын
I love this. Everybody has been talking about this company for years (well, since 2017), it's great to have a progress report this detailed and well presented.
@buildingbrosindustries12 күн бұрын
It is crazy how far we are going with tech
@TalzBlaze23 күн бұрын
video starts @14:50
@elwhagen23 күн бұрын
Thanks for helping all those that have the attention span of a normal KZbin Short!
@ThylineTheGay23 күн бұрын
@@elwhagen well, you're entirely free to listen to 14 minutes of waffle
@unoriginalname432123 күн бұрын
@@ThylineTheGayI like waffles
@ThylineTheGay22 күн бұрын
@@unoriginalname4321 great for you I generally prefer them not in video form myself
@unoriginalname432122 күн бұрын
@@ThylineTheGay Thanks!
@Netsuko22 күн бұрын
Sadly, I'll still have to categorize this under "We'll never hear from this again" until there's actual evidence that this will be used commercially within an acceptable time frame.
@nikspring23 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for these really informative, professionally delivered programmes. The occasional subtle humorous asides are also welcome! I have recently been investigating solar marine propulsion and your information is invaluable. Anything to do with PV energy generation, battery science, electric motors for boats is welcome. I'm very happy to be able to send a financial donation as well. Great value for money!
@chrisdsouza868523 күн бұрын
Dr Miles, you are a scientist and that explains your conviction that the commercial stage of the Oxford technology is more desirable than waiting for the perfect cell. Actually, there are two aspects to this commercialisation. First, the pervoskite/silicon cells will be considered in terms of power output per dollar and selected or rejected in comparison with the other cells in the market. Secondly, the worry of investors will be that one of the other technologies, and there are many of them, will reach the market with a greater power output and at the same or lower cost. If this happens, the investment in plant and team will collapse. This is not an unusual problem for business projects. Something similar is happening in the field of electric vehicle battery technology.
@GsrItalia23 күн бұрын
The company now can try to focus more on production rather than pure research, delivering revenues and profit, then start feeding research from customers rather than investors. As economic efficiency can became more interesting. On top of that, two concepts are missing from this... communication. 1: lifecycle compared to standard silicon cells. 2: recycle cost and efficiency compared to standard silicon cells. Deliver more energy? Seems so. It's actually better than silicon in long term? Answer is not here.
@LMF171613 күн бұрын
To add some extra detail into this that wasn't included, the main thing stopping mass production isn't just the rapid degradation in real-world conditions. It's that the current most efficient perovskite that we have uses lead as a main component. Added WITH the rapid degradation when exposed to some UV wavelengths and moisture you have a disaster with lead leaching into some peoples main sources of drinking water
@lawrencejob23 күн бұрын
“High five machines” was the most instant decision to subscribe to a channel in my KZbin career
@CYellowan19 күн бұрын
This is actually great news.
@brentlidstone198222 күн бұрын
20:16 I too enjoy having a sun
@cefcephatus23 күн бұрын
Perovskite coated silicon solar panel is the smartest business choice. Since you don't have to build Si-panel, just source it from other companies, then clean it and coat it nicely. I know "just" here sounds undermining, but the difficulty of doing that could be tedious. And from the graph in 15:41 I think you can't add more than that one layer, only leave a room for a new Perovskite in place of Si. I think, they still have to keep a layer of Si at the bottom even with new Perovskite material, it seems to help stabilize the structure.
@am19arch23 күн бұрын
Very useful, beautifully explained, thank you Dr. Miles
@PlatzhalteR081523 күн бұрын
Well. Ben, you did well in explaining this to a MBA guy like me. Since I understand it now.. I’m fully into it ❤❤ Thanks also for including all the scientists behind it. These findings don’t just grow on trees. Thanks!!!
@gregboi18323 күн бұрын
Type 0 is such an arbitrary measure, in particular because early humans used way more energy than just their camp fires. All the energy that fell on the earth and was absorbed by the plants that the humans or their animals would then eat, for example
@Nadzap23 күн бұрын
all extra energy lost to the heat from poop
@SC-zq6cu23 күн бұрын
Most plants and animals were unavailable to humans for usage, early humans used a very small part of said energy. Even then plants absorb a very small part of the light energy that falls on their leaves and when animals eat said plants they absorbed a small part of the energy stored in those plants. When humans ate said animals they again absorbed a very small part of the energy stored in those animals. So, the total energy absorbed through eating was(still is) an extremely small part of the total energy coming from the sun(and all of this not accounting for the fact that most solar energy falls on ocean water where mostly nothing lives). There is also the fact that gaining energy through eating limits how said energy can be used compared to getting it in form of something like fire or electricity for example, so this would decrease the available energy even more. All in all, yeah early humans used more energy than produced by their camp-fires but it wasn't that much more than what type-0 predicts.
@edstirling23 күн бұрын
@@Nadzap making poop is what all that energy is FOR.
@Sim-q9t23 күн бұрын
roasting marshmallows at yellowstone, or other lava spots. Cavemen. Luxury levels of energy just freely out in the open. Maybe their descendants are free energy guys. ha.
@Roxor12823 күн бұрын
The value for Type 0 is just repeating the pattern established for the higher levels, but going down. The jump from Type 2 to Type 3 is 10^26 to 10^36. To make the scale continuous, Sagan changed the value for Type 1 from 10^17 to 10^16, which left Type 0 at 10^6.
@LoftechUK16 күн бұрын
That got me from start to finish. What a great way to explain solar
@richavic452023 күн бұрын
I've read that silicon cells degrade from about 22 to the stated 18% rather quickly. For the layered cells, will the silicon aiming at a different wavelength have a similar degradation, and what does the expected curve for the provoskovites look like? Basically, how long will they last?
@karolkajda90923 күн бұрын
What you're saying about degradation from 22% to 18% states a degradation to ~80% of initial effectiveness. Data collected from existing photovoltaic solar panels tells us that it takes anywhere from 20 to 25 years to degrade to 80%. Not so rather quickly in my opinion :) As to perovskites solar cells there is no real world data but in labs they mostly had crap life span.
@DooMMasteR23 күн бұрын
That would be insanely much. Most manufacturers guarantee you 80-90% remaining power output after 20-35 years. Most degradation is caused by atom migration, where e.g. Oxygen or Nitrogen migrate into the P-N-Boundary and create leaks. The packaging and preparation of the cells in modern modules has improved a lot, so that the issues has mostly become a non issue. We have "in that regard bad" modules from 1997 running and they still show just very VERY little degradation by age, though one module degraded faster due to mechanical damage.
@dmmax1823 күн бұрын
Perovskites are still a lab experiment, but given the amount of real world operation problems with them I would say they wouldn’t last more than a year and would not be used anywhere except for aerospace.
@horiaiuga664023 күн бұрын
Top end silicon degrade with around -0.25% per year, and th cost is around 100 EUR/kW
@vylbird801422 күн бұрын
It's not that quick. A typical solar installation is rated to last thirty years, after which the panels will have degraded to maybe 80%-ish of their original capacity and are due for replacement. The replacement is fairly cheap, as the rest of the system is in place - electronics, cabling, mounting brackets and such - so it's just a matter of sending someone up on the roof to un-bolt the old panels and bolt new ones in their place.
@NishanthKanala-t8x11 күн бұрын
I'm not sure the explanation at 6:30 is correct, the electron rich and hole rich semiconducting materials are neutral independently. When the two materials are combined, there is a charged depletion layer formed. The depletion layer is charged, hence the field exists.
@electronsmove23 күн бұрын
Perfect may be the enemy of good, but it is in reaching for perfect that we discover the point of diminishing returns or the "good enough" point.
@nathanaelvetters268413 күн бұрын
I strongly believe that perovskite cells are the future. Once manufacturing processes are refined and the most ideal compounds found, I think it won't be too hard to layer up a few layers of this into >50% efficient solar panels cost effectively. This means far less mined material since the power density is drastically increased. That's what's important, because raw material will be the limiting factor to increasing solar power. Energy will become cheaper as we deploy more, which will make manufacturing cheaper, but you can't turn energy into matter (well, not practically). So being efficient with resources, especially if we can make them recyclable, will be hugely important.
@facsiguszmaximusz23 күн бұрын
LOL. High five machines... I died! :D @13:36
@Netsuko22 күн бұрын
I feel like this joke went past a lot of people. It's brilliant.
@jonnywatts29705 күн бұрын
It's amazing to me the level of knowledge and engineering that goes into our daily lives. Also the massive ignorance and lack of appreciation normal people display.
@drkalamity451823 күн бұрын
I don't understand why the pyrovskite doesn't need the same perfection in the crystal structure that the silicon does? You mention that "obviously" it still needs to be tuned, but how is that obvious when you just went over how the defects in the crystalline structure of this compound doesn't matter?
@dragon6784923 күн бұрын
Surely you understand that any can't or doesn't is can't yet or doesn't yet? I mean of course it doesn't matter yet. They get it working is what matter, finetuning comes after knowing how it works! Isn't that kinda obvious?
@Jeremy-kg1zr23 күн бұрын
@@dragon67849 Yeesh. What an immature and egotistical response. Every sentence is just tones of "Duh, you f-ing idiot."? Pathetic. Grow up, kid. The person simply asked a question. I hope you're not raising/f-ing up a child of your own with this kind of ego/asshole attitude...
@pedro_mab23 күн бұрын
It's explained right after in the "defect tolerance" section of the video
@drkalamity451823 күн бұрын
@@pedro_mab i wouldn't call that an explanation he just kind of says it is and glosses over it. I'm genuinely curious why this material is exempt from the physical requirements demanded by silicon, and he doesn't address this. I've watched it twice could u post a time stamp?
@IANHANDS23 күн бұрын
I would explain but you would not understand.
@antoniobortoni16 күн бұрын
This video reminds me of an idea I’ve always had about how we could harness light more efficiently. Imagine a structure, like a cube or sphere, designed to trap and direct all light it touches into a material that absorbs and transforms it entirely into usable energy. Not just solar panels as we know them today, but something capable of cooling spaces by converting excess heat into electricity, acting like a self-contained generator that could wirelessly transmit energy to nearby devices. It’s fascinating how humanity is progressing with innovations like perovskites, yet it feels like we’re just scratching the surface of what’s possible. If we could perfect the way we capture and guide light-maximizing absorption and minimizing losses-it could redefine energy generation entirely. The future isn’t just about capturing more energy, it’s about doing it smarter and seamlessly integrating it into our lives. Isn’t that the true leap toward a Type 1 civilization?
@tiaan_va22 күн бұрын
FYI, 2e+18 as you indicate in brackets at 00:22 is 2 million terawatt not 200K terawatt as you've indicated. So either the large number needs updating or your scientific notation needs updating.
@filipwolinski891515 күн бұрын
Shots fired at the end there
@alienwalk15 күн бұрын
Your attitude needs updating 😂
@tiaan_va15 күн бұрын
@@alienwalk so pointing out a critical error in a scientific video equates to having an attitude for you haha 😂 don't think you realize how significant the 2 numbers are from one another but okay 👍
@GREGGRCO22 күн бұрын
Thank You !! I learned a lot on the history. Even from your ad. on Opera ! I must watch this several times to pick up the parts my future self missed !!
@vinny14223 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to learn how long these new cells last and how recyclable they are. Recycling doesn't sound like a big deal until you realise that current panels only last 20 years before they have to be replaced. Every panel that you see being installed today will have to be recycled 20 years from now. In the Netherlands we current get 400.000 new rooftop installations a year and that number will grow. That means that in 20 years time we'll have 400.000 old rooftop installations that need replacing and recycling every year. That's 4mln panels a year. That's a problem.
@Karsten-cc5ws23 күн бұрын
Current panels last rather 25 to 30 years. The EU and the members have or should have already laws that adress recycling plus there are already PV recycling companies for "normal" silicon PV panels across Europe. But yeah, i agree that there are still questions to be answered how recycling friendly those new ones will be and how long they last.
@Ayvengo2123 күн бұрын
Still think that optical rectennas could get way better result at some point in the future. It still tons of issues to overcome and manufacturing could be problematic but potential efficiency around 80% sounds worth trying to solve that riddle.
@pizzablender23 күн бұрын
Efficiency matters as much as cost. The available area is still quite large I think.
@simonwatson239923 күн бұрын
At 25% efficiency vs 20%, the area is reduced by a fifth.
@electrodacus23 күн бұрын
@@simonwatson2399 Yes but at what extra cost. Also what degradation over times looks like.
@Grundle-buddy23 күн бұрын
This is huge. Thank goodness. This might quarter current product cost, make install cheaper. And ultimately allow some real distribution of useful solar. Huge. Thx for the video.
@ThatJay28319 күн бұрын
i feel like the threshold for being a type 1 civilisation should be alot lower, like, being a civilization that is actively harnessing loads of energy without destroying their home planet (which is actually achievable using today's technology, and alot more nuclear).
@jamesleishman802517 күн бұрын
In my opinion, the definition for type one makes sense because it matches the definition for the rest of the levels. If we redefined it to match our level it wouldn't have the symmetry of the current definition in my opinion
@vidal974717 күн бұрын
@@jamesleishman8025Yes, but I don't think it is a positive to harness the total energy of a planet. Destroying a planet to do so is stupid. Totally darkening a star and destroying Earth's ecosystem is also stupid. The scale is not an absolute measure. It is more of a guideline.
@jellenp23 күн бұрын
I absolutely love your videos, but something about this one was particularly exciting. I have loved science all my life but am still only a peon in the world of science. Thank you for making it understandable and intriguing at a peon level. I’m excited to pass along this information. - An old, old teacher
@gambit63323 күн бұрын
More efficient but as mentioned deteriorates more rapidly. It can be protected from some things. But one thing that can't be avoided that causes it to deteriorate is sunlight - LOL ...Seriously, a big downer for a solar cell, but I guess they have solved that?
@Amazology23 күн бұрын
This was inspiring. Thanks. Everything about Fusion technology please if you're doing requests for future episodes. Fusion never gets boring.
@sullytrny23 күн бұрын
Cheap oil makes world peace --- Cheap energy helps the poorest FIRST! ---
@bab788015 күн бұрын
I went into a fit of hysterical laughter at the “high-five machines.” Thank you for that, Dr Ben.
@TemplarX223 күн бұрын
Everyday a video about some energy breakthrough comes our and every other day the video is forgotten as the tech turns out to be useless.
@IANHANDS23 күн бұрын
So what? just stop then ?. You really don't belong here
@humanbass23 күн бұрын
This is a real product in the market. It is not some crazy revolution, but a very significant upgrade
@jeremymanson178123 күн бұрын
Its called trial and error. Edison created 1,000 light bulb attempts that failed before he produced one that did the job and changed the world 💡
@TemplarX223 күн бұрын
@@jeremymanson1781 No one is talking about this. They are always some great breakthrough when in fact it's some nonsense. Edison had a breakthrough after many attempts. He didn;t boast about his attempts but his success.
@jeremymanson178123 күн бұрын
@@TemplarX2Yes the hype is very annoying. If you look further, some of the hype is journalists getting carried away and some is straight up hype by the researchers, maybe because they are trying to prevent their investors from losing faith in them. The fact is the vast majority of attempts to innovate fail. The failures are an important part of finding out where the blind alleys are or where to focus to overcome the reason for failure. Even in ordinary business, 9 out of 10 business start ups fail. Failure is necessary.
@Alonhhh15 күн бұрын
Thanks for letting me know Opera is still alive. Also the solar panel thingy
@Profphizx19 күн бұрын
“High five machines” 😂
@dalexa23 күн бұрын
One task each second... brilliant... now capture that wavelength.
@Darryl_Frost23 күн бұрын
I was working on PV's in the 90's here in Australia, our group held at the time the (in lab only) maximum efficiency record, (and not much lower than today), this work is very infesting.. Particularly your take on cost, reliability, and eff%, the engineering Vs 'perfection', a case where good enough is good enough.
@stanislavbandur735520 күн бұрын
that is a point - if we consider nowadays prices of PVs then it is much cheaper to add a few m,ore panels than make a frame to give them better orientation to the sun (pricewise). We were covering even northern sides of roofs, because of dirt cheap panels (sun hits them only around the noon in summer - it was for cooling system, which utilizes this seasonal gain). We put them flat on roof without bothering about frames, because it adds weight to roof (to level it is not possible to make installation there), lowers coverage and make installation twice expensive (frame cost and installation cost). so... compromises
@apollion88820 күн бұрын
Love stories like this, I aspire to live in a solar powered electric van one day and this is one step closer
@magnetospin23 күн бұрын
There really is no need to link the K-scale into this technology.
@cbargainer23 күн бұрын
More clicks = more $$. As Dr Miles says, the practicality is pretty dang important.
@mrmb8423 күн бұрын
the advances in perovskite technology are amazing but not as amazing as the recent developments in high five machines, astounding stuff!
@kingkanute23 күн бұрын
Those cells have my handwriting on them! Am I famous?
@chippysteve452422 күн бұрын
Maybe but Facebook are taking all the royalties because of that photo you posted years ago.Yeah,that one ;-)
@kingkanute22 күн бұрын
@@chippysteve4524Facebook does accelerate fascism so I'm unsurprised :)
@pankakelovers123 күн бұрын
"This is why they have so many High-Five machines throughout the lab".....@ 13:35....Love It!!!
@HarryLarsson-b2n23 күн бұрын
1:43 NUCLEAR
@Hector-bj3ls23 күн бұрын
Specifically thorium.
@Ryanisthere23 күн бұрын
@@BondzySmid this is misinformative, thats our current stockpile, not the total amount of uranium capable of being mined and used for power
@HarryLarsson-b2n23 күн бұрын
@@BondzySmid me when i intentionally spread misinformation online
@PhotonLukas23 күн бұрын
Sadly not very cheap and the build has a quite big emissions footprint.
@Dablinds14 күн бұрын
@@Hector-bj3ls no fuel is better than any other. If you can achieve fusion and producing energy it’s good in my book
@daviddempsey872119 күн бұрын
Great report. Thanks.
@edbrown116623 күн бұрын
So basically, 20mins to inform us that there's no NEW information/breakthroughs - this is very old news.
@TCL_Dasler18 күн бұрын
Well it's new to me. And I imagine everyone else who hasn't Currently ridden on the Solar Express, (all puns thoroughly intended)
@danieljensen615415 күн бұрын
@@TCL_Dasler”I know this information so everyone must” ahh attitude
@MrDuceOwen15 күн бұрын
Thanks now I can skip this
@SirenaWF115 күн бұрын
someone needs to get...... you get the idea.
@fleetwingpone96616 күн бұрын
very well put together research, i love it
@mAny_oThERSs23 күн бұрын
efficiency is great and all, but the real energy gainer would actually be applying these kinds of systems. we are currently vastly underusing solar panels, so solar panels that are even 100% more efficient wouldn't make that much difference in overall power production.
@MichaelPaulWorkman23 күн бұрын
Yes yes it's all available but ppl don't buy it enough, isn't at stores, ppl need "micro incentives" to do this more
@MrRacerhacker23 күн бұрын
100% efficient solar panel would be something then it would be very viable, todays panels are around 20-23% efficient, at 100% that would be 1000w per sq metre, tho plenty of people buy it id say dependy on country
@vinny14223 күн бұрын
@@MrRacerhacker "100% efficient solar panel would be something then it would be very viable," And it would be invisible because all the light that falls on it would be transformed to electricity. Are you AI?
@mAny_oThERSs23 күн бұрын
@@vinny142 he meant 99.99%
@MrRacerhacker23 күн бұрын
@@vinny142 no just bit tired do agree 100 aint viable but tho would be alot more usefull at 80-90% tho myself run 3kw myself in the nordics work well but also got some space for it
@LG-qz8om8 күн бұрын
For Hertz, the phenomena is called "The Compton Effect". It applies not only to Electrons around a nucleus but also those in transis. It is most notable in-transit.
@soldat88hun19 күн бұрын
Why is the local climate changing effect of solar panels always ignored?
@SSK1977FEB18 күн бұрын
And the biggest effect is the city island effect on the local logged thermometer, telling us the world is heating up.
@Ivolutcion16 күн бұрын
What is that?
@berndeckenfels15 күн бұрын
It’s not, the shadowing is actually an additional benefit in some application so is reducing the local heat
@jackgoldstein929720 күн бұрын
Well done review of Perovskite development. It would have been nice to hear about how they have improved on life time of Perovskites which have ben their problem until now. I would love to see any improvements in Geothermal Heat Pumps and means to do this without huge costs of drilling wells or digging enormous passive loops. One thing I have never heard of but seems like a good thing to look into would be using the footprint of a house itself to insulate and use a closer loop under the house itself.
@Zack-dw5op23 күн бұрын
Why not use machine learning to predict the most viable perovskites like alpha fold did with proteins?
@braveecologic203020 күн бұрын
I'm just at 7:30 and had to comment. This is a really good video so far. Well explained on the set up.
@mrdual27317 күн бұрын
12:34 windows 7
@Kzoowallace13 күн бұрын
My shop just got rid of a CNC machine that ran on a Commodore 64. In 2024.
@stevewilliams43021 күн бұрын
Great video keep doing the good work we need to be shown the state of play.
@Anonymous9999723 күн бұрын
4:19 Physics joke…😂😂😂
@Mak10z19 күн бұрын
High Five Machines! That is going to be my go to term for positive pressure glove boxes :)
@stinkymccheese801024 күн бұрын
Wonder how difficult it is to produce perovskite.
@SHATOSHI12323 күн бұрын
Engs. Might have already made a good and easy way
@stinkymccheese801023 күн бұрын
@ seems like an ideal opportunity for someone with the skills to do it.
@LetsTakeWalk23 күн бұрын
Perof skite. Not that hard.
@ivanomatrisciano382823 күн бұрын
It's pretty easy to make, but the problem is its longevity. Perovskite solar cell degrade too quickly to be used outside of a lab
@AndyKopac21 күн бұрын
Love to see this research go into production
@saiforos792822 күн бұрын
This is company PR and misleading by leaving out a ton of context. Oxford PV has a production line of "production capacity of
@astralsilver17 күн бұрын
This on the back of Cellphones, Tablets and PC's would be really helpful sometimes.
@gd.ritter23 күн бұрын
That energy scale where a civilization harnesses all their suns energy is silly though. If we turned all the energy that hit our planet into electricity, then we'd live on an ice rock
@drkalamity451823 күн бұрын
If we had the technology to do that we would allocate some of it to keeping our world nice and comfortable. In fact, we'd end up making even more of the planet habitable than it is today. Think about it, if we had the tech to use all the energy coming from the sun it would be a piece of cake to direct it to where we want it to go.
@kijola23 күн бұрын
It doesn't say turn it all into electricity it says control it all. If you had a dyson sphere you could easily program it/design it to leave the very small portion of energy/light leaving the sun that actually hits the planet in question alone and let it through the dyson sphere's network. Also a dyson sphere capable civilization could just use dyson tech in solar systems with no planets with desireable habitable conditions. And only use partial dyson rings in their home system. Given the area of our sun for instance, you could host untold billions or trillions in a structure the size of a dyson sphere.
@mqb3gofjzkko7nzx3823 күн бұрын
If you turn sunlight into electricity, that electricity eventually turns back into heat. If anything we'd overheat the planet by absorbing too much sunlight.
@catprog23 күн бұрын
And once it was used as electricity it would turn back into heat melting the ice. Still would be a rock because no energy for nature would be left.
@ShadowVonChadwick23 күн бұрын
Enjoyed & encouraged, as a reasonably well-educated electrician science lover, thanks for the report.
@GreenAppelPie24 күн бұрын
Cool. I’ve have personally measured some of these cells and can confirm according to ANSI standards, we’ve reached 43%. And yeah it’s quite impressive. I can’t speak for the cost or robustness though
@TheHoveHeretic23 күн бұрын
Any impressions re: anticipated longevity?
@paranormalbirdman23 күн бұрын
43% is maximum in theory. But it was never measured. Maximum till now was about 33% (STC) higher than 40% measured only under concentrated light conditions (CSTC). So I believe you have measured 43% but not under realistic conditions. 🤔 ANSI you mean ASTM?
@rowanjansen203022 күн бұрын
Love what you do Ben!
@elyakimlev23 күн бұрын
The Kardashev scale never made much sense to me. We don't even know what would happen to the solar system if we blocked just 1% of the sun's energy and converted it to our needs artificially, let alone 100% of it. If the temperature on Earth was 2 degrees hotter or cooler, then life on Earth would change drastically. That's how delicate nature is. We shouldn't think this balance is only important here on Earth.
@Duminasion23 күн бұрын
Bruh, the temperature swings about 60 to 80c every single year here. The nature seems just fine. I don’t think 2 degrees is gonna break nature..
@elyakimlev23 күн бұрын
@@Duminasion bruh, average temperature, bruh. It's currently around 15 degrees Celsius. If it moved 5 degrees lower, we'd probably be starting to move towards an ice age. 5 degrees hotter, and many areas around the equator would become like the Sahara desert, and many islands and shores would come under water. Not sure what 2 degrees difference would look like, but definitely different than now. That's all I'm saying.
@coopsquared409712 күн бұрын
New subscriber here. I don't usually comment, but this was an exceptionally well-made video. I enjoyed the history aspect as well as the science explanation behind how solar works paired with the visual representations. Keep it up!
@buggi66623 күн бұрын
There are so many things wrong in this video....
@graxxor23 күн бұрын
Your comment is entirely unhelpful and feels like bait.
@bones122516 күн бұрын
Nice think tank vid. The next generation, will use this, as a reference or a jumpstart. Bugger the skeptics.
@adamanthony746522 күн бұрын
Extraordinary. Britain can do things with it's thinking processes.
@PinataOblongata23 күн бұрын
That joke about Heinrich really hertz me 😄
@ecospider522 күн бұрын
Installation is the cost of solar right now. More efficiency means less installation costs for the same output of electricity. I like this a lot.