Where are the Male Allies? (with Gretchen Carlson) | The Next Level

[@rrrwaves]

Thank you Tim for giving Gretchen Carlson a platform to speak out about the behaviors that continue to be protected in the workplace. The power of the system (and enablers) to maintain the status quo is daunting. I applaud her for the courage it took to speak out and continue to work for legislative change. Thank you so much.

[@speculawyer]

She blames Trump but her lawsuit was filed before Trump was in office. She should blame who she sued...Fox "news".

[@Ahtaht227]

As a woman living in America you better be gutsy and stand up for yourself. Some call it aggressive I call don’t take anyone’s shit!

[@KateColors]

Thank you, Tim, for this interview. I didn't know of Gretchen's story and what she is doing now. I wish I had her 30 years ago. For you, Tim, to help raise your children, I give you two words, "Not acceptable." These two words spoken to me by my Priest when I asked for his help in getting an annulment from my husband who raped me when I was married to him after telling him the whole story, meant the world to me. Had my parents, my church, my school had used these words throughout my childhood instead of "good" and "bad" or "right" and "wrong", ALL of us would have organically more respect for each other then and now. It's not acceptable for any Catholic to rape another especially in the sanctity of marriage and to whom that person is married. This was ten years post-divorce I sought help from my Church. Around the same time, I wanted to help other women by becoming a safe house for them. During those meetings with the network of experts who came together to train us on the dynamics of abused people, I learned that I wasn't only physically raped and verbally abused by my husband all those ten years I was married to him, I was also emotionally and psychologically abused by him. I had to reconcile with this enlightenment before I could help anyone else. I don't know how you can teach children the deepest tentacles of abuse beyond "not acceptable." When I divorced my husband, I recognized I needed deprogramming as if I were in a cult. In 1984, where do you get that help? I was in therapy for a long time and some therapists helped a lot. I still never felt they had "fixed" me and some part of me was still broken. In 2009, my retelling of my marriage to a friend, I started crying uncontrollably and my body started shaking. This went on for four straight days. I thought, for sure, my body was trying to kill me. I then realized that not only was I recounting my story out loud but, my body was also remembering and brought me back to the last year of days in my marriage when I'd start shaking and crying about 3-4 hours before my husband was due to come home from work. It was like no time had passed and my body was thrown back into reliving that terror. I knew then that I had tapped into the part of me that still needed fixing. Not only was my body telling me it hadn't forgotten the danger I had once been in, that it was also warning me that the person to whom I am confiding, is even more dangerous. I know this to be true because ever since I've been raped I can have a visceral reaction to any person's certain gesture or inflection in their voice or anything and I immediately don't trust them. I started to cry and shake when this person started clenching his jaw, wringing his hands and raising them up to his head as though he was going to start pulling out his hair. It took me four days to sort this out. He was smarter than my ex, just as evil and more secret and covert. I then took to writing and through that, realized I have PTSD. It took me almost two years to find a therapist for it. I'm still not fixed but I still write a lot which has always helped me figure out stuff. So, thank you both.

[@mfblosangeles]

Great job, Tim. I had no idea Ms. Carlson was such a rockstar. Most importantly, this was a positive use of your powerful platform. Thanks.

[@ebutuoy586]

Thank Gretchen Carlson for your undying efforts ❤❤❤

[@t.andrewhanes872]

I really needed to hear this interview… fight the good fight! Thank you Tim and an extra special thank you to Gretchen!

[@hctobe]

Thanks for bringing Ms Carlson to your show, such a good interview, especially the question related to how to raise your daughter!

[@DanBaraz-q7v]

Well conducted interview. As someone who had a relationship in which the woman had been assaulted prior to us meeting, what Ms.Carlson describes rings all too true for me. Love the Bulwsrk. Keep up the great work.

[@atlaustell]

We need to educate young boys and young women. Educate boys starting now to treat all women with respect in your daily lives and in the workplace.

[@johnconnolly8582]

I'm glad someone is addressing age discrimination. Being the victim of this, I am very uplifted to hear that some big names are putting truth to this issue that effects people over 50.

[@KattEyl]

I’m very appreciate of all that Gretchen Carlson has done but let’s remember she’s not the only one fighting for change and making a difference.

[@Newtperc]

Super weird audio glitches for the final third anytime Tim is speaking.

[@paladinbob1236]

maybe some editing issues there? like at 27:20 ish?

[@jordanstrayer7199]

I looked into the comments to ensure it wasn’t just me hearing that, thank you for verifying my sanity.

[@shannonmeshbane]

So glad somebody else heard that creepy sound!! Hideous!!

[@mariewilson6115]

Yes, it was pretty weird.

[@chromafresh]

Its driving me crazy too.... theres a really mumbling voice. I've heard this on another recent Bulwark video with Tim.

[@Reldas]

Thanks for having Gretchen on Tim.

[@missmindy3803]

Kinda surprised nothing was mentioned about Human Resources not being there to help the employee- they are there to help the company.

[@marycullen2275]

Maybe not at Fox. They don't want to lose their jobs either.

[@browneyedgirl6050]

Thank you for your voice Gretchen and your conversation about boys. I am a mom of 3 boys, my oldest approaching 13. I am trying so hard to teach them their words matter and to treat people with respect. It is so important. I see people at events where their parents are modeling poor behavior. It worries me. But I can do what I can do.

[@rushoke]

Companies get a financial break on liability insurance by having nonarbitration agreements in place. The insurance industry is another potential target for legislation and change.

[@jannichi6431]

State insurance law is so different. Health definitely even with Obama Care. Not all states accepting Medicaid Expansion for this reason. Life Ins. A real problem unregulated also. See Policy Genius for help.

[@danielqcallahan]

We need a live stream of Tim and Gretchen watching "Drop Dead Gorgeous" together!

[@meghankowalik5595]

I LOVE DROP DEAD GORGEOUS!! Tried to watch last night and it's not streaming anywhere 😢. Also good interview & thank you Gretchen for your work trying to make us safer at work

[@liamcullen3035]

Gretchen Carlson is a champion, a truly courageous person. Corporate NDAs and forced arbitration are protecting abusers and ensuring that generations of employees not only suffer, but suffer in silence. Thankyou so much for putting yourself in the scorching spotlight to fight to change these ghastly practices! It’s not often these days that something makes me like Lindsay Graham a little better. But hearing that he has been an advocate for Grethchen’s legislation on the Republican side is something that I am very thankful for.

[@princeraj8089]

Thank you for this episode...mostly for Gretchen...but particularly for the movie suggestion...I don't know how I missed this one but it's fantastic...cheers

[@juliaruggieri3749]

Great observation Tim. It is the brave WOMEN who also come forward first.

[@shrews13]

They taught me to be tough and to really stand up for myself, and then they taught me how to file massive lawsuits

[@alanburke1893]

It's how rape-victims end up as Madam's in brothels... kick down to build up

[@steele41]

If you're an accomplished professional, like Megyn Kelly, a constitutional lawyer, for example, and the man interviewing you asks you to "do a twirl," and you still take the job, you get what you get.

[@miguelvelez7221]

​@@steele41Yeah, it's stuff like this that will always separate me from many on the Prog side... I wasn't put on Earth to be a saint. She did what she did for many, many years with people telling her how messed up the Conservative Culture was getting, including nurturing misogyny and rape culture... Fuck her career and her crocodile tears.

[@missmindy3803]

Yet another great interview. ❤️

[@lauren92355]

This was a great interview!

[@juliaruggieri3749]

Thank you for this wonderful interview.

[@llkellenba]

Painful to hear this but glad she’s engaging in the effort to change this circle the wagons trap. I was pushed out of a hospital in my early 60’s replaced by a young practitioner. The hospital behaved very badly and surreptitiously. There were forced contract signings of NDA’s and binding arbitration. Basically the hospital writes the contract-give the pages long legal contract to us/employees then with a day or two to sign and return it OR leave. The hospital had me on a work “contract” to pay them back for education. Leaving meant a huge financial burden. Hospitals have their own legal departments teams. By the way at 68 still am paying back school loans. Paid off undergrad and one grad loan. Working on #2 grad loan. Ugh. Raised 4 kids so I needed those loans to get an education to support us.

[@debrakron9049]

Tim, make sure you let your daughter know you value more than her looks! Whenever someone told my husband that our daughter was beautiful, he would respond with, “And she’s smart too!” Girls are pressured to dumb themselves down for boys! Don’t let her do that! Women are often also socialized to be peacemakers. That means pushing down our own needs to satisfy others! Mostly, love and value her for who she is! And make sure when she starts school, she has the right kind of shoes to actually play! Some girls have shoes that are pretty, but mean they can’t play on the playground equipment unless they’ve careful. And the can’t play soccer or whiffle ball etc cause their shoes slip and slide (but they’re pretty ! Lol).

[@sms-2014]

I really like the shoe advice. Thanks! Such a straightforward and strategic approach to empowering girls.

[@burntorangehorn]

I actually have to remember to throw in a looks complement every now then. It simply doesn't occur to me when there's so much more to my daughter.

[@dougsooleyphotography]

Can’t believe Gretchen hasn’t watched Drop Dead Gorgeous. OMG 🤣🤣🤣 The smoking in the hospital!😂 There’s a photo of mom in the hospital after delivering my sister where there is a pack of smokes and ashtray on the bed table. 🤪😛🤣🤣🤣 Family movie night for sure!!

[@waldograde]

So nice to have you highlight unsung heroes like Carlson. She is a figure of grit and character. She used her platform as a “victim” to fight the evils of the corporate practice of forced arbitration and NDAs - all while continuing to be hamstrung by Fox’s legal shackles. Thank you Tim!

[@missmindy3803]

*send emails to a personal email account or screen shots then send that to personal email or take pics with phone. *I made sure to keep my personal phone when the company got me a work phone.

[@jannichi6431]

Tim, ya didn't go down the Kavanagh Confirmation Hearing road?

[@TerryParsons1724]

You're a true hero Gretchen thank you for all you do for women and girls. Good interview Tim best one to date on this format.

[@jannichi6431]

Meidas Touch Jennifer took her NDA to court and won also. She's a lawyer and reformed to Dem because if her experience.

[@ArthurGraham-vy1ze]

The male allies got tired of being backstabbed by women everytime we render aid. So we're leaving the females to their fate.

[@C123abc]

Glad I saw this. I had a very negative opinion of her due to her settlement with a NDA but have a better understanding of her now. Thought she was just a Fox hack.

[@speculawyer]

She was just a Fox hack.

[@jannichi6431]

Still wondering if Roger Ailes visited Bee Cave,Texas during his last couple of years. Swear he was drunk crossing five lanes of traffic giggling with another player from Italian Restaurant??? 🤠🤪

[@ironyelegy]

men usually feel entitled to dignity beyond respond and thus are limited as allies. they always feel as though they can revoke support for any group that they don't agree with if their feelings aren't handled properly. sucks

[@harinisridharan1188]

This is an interesting line of thought that'd never occur to me. Thank you, kind internet stranger!

[@mfh6982]

Gretchen Carlson sure has a lot of impassioned inflection and intonation in her spoken words. However, and predictably because she is a lawyer, she lacks substance. Lots of words with no meaning.

[@KathyDennis-fy3bg]

So very brave.

[@doctorj2u2]

Gretchen is such a brave woman. Kudos to her.

[@lindawoodruff2772]

Gretchen you are correct. Trump opened the Pandora's box. It breaks my heart. I hope we can go back. I just don't see how.

[@ElaineMLove]

Thanks, sorry I am late this morning, better late than never!!!!🙃😮

[@lisalivingston6473]

Gretchen Carlson is such an inspiration to many young women who find themselves being sexually harassed in the workplace. With the recent allegations being made by Cassidy Hutchinson in her new book, it makes me wonder if Gretchen Carlson's experiences gave her the courage to come forward with her own experiences. I watched Hutchinson's interview with Rachel Maddow and could only think one thing....eewwww. Men can be so nasty, and it's about time women begin standing up and calling out that bad behavior. Men try to blame much of their bad behavior on "locker room talk", but no, men should not get a pass for treating women so abominably.

[@elisemadeleinekachaturian6063]

Omg I totally forgot about Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! Tim is right that movie is AMZIMG & u MUST watch it w/your girls….u will LOVE it…just saying…good job Tim

[@raceydaniels]

Said alot of positive things buuuut she shouldn't get away with blaming this all on Donald Trump. Fox and right wing media did more then their fair share to soften the ground including her while she was there

[@Spearca]

Right. It's true that Trump "gave permission" for a lot of people to become more publicly terrible. But Fox prepared its audience for Trump to become that figure.

[@jannichi6431]

Then NewsMax followed. Anything for sensationalism views and ratings. Can't the FTC, FCC do anything. Licensing or at least scroll warnings 'This is Entertainment NOT NEWS'.

[@judykinsman3258]

How is it that we are going backwards when time moves forward?

[@cindialbrecht3692]

By pure chance I was watching Carlson's last show. She came out for some gun violence prevention laws. I knew then something was up and she was a good egg.

[@mariewilson6115]

So was her whole message, I have an organization created to tell other woman not to sign the kind of contracts that I had to sign? Or maybe, I can't tell you anything about my situation because i took the $$ but despite that, you shouldn't do that even if the only way you get into this industry is by signing those contracts? I am so confused.

[@snosister]

UNIONIZE and get workplace protection

[@jannichi6431]

Unions and news today? Interesting. Printers used to have union, but not management or reporters.

[@bmt-zo1ue]

Seems like 1 step forward, 2 steps back for women - especially if well-known and/or popular men are involved.

[@michelleiverson2642]

I can’t believe she’s never seen Drop Dead Gorgeous, so funny. I love that Tim loves this movie. My husband and I met that summer the movie was being filmed in MN, we were aquatic life interpreters at the MOA aquarium. Kirsty came into the aquarium during my husband’s shift. I was so envious because it is a deep desire of mine to see famous people in the wild.

[@jannichi6431]

So true, just commented on the possible/probable Roger Alyes 'run' ing.

[@welles28]

Gretchen Carlson forfeited the right to our attention many, MANY Fox & Friends episodes ago. To say that I'm surprised she is being given a platform here to engage in whatever her latest image rehabbing exercise is would be a considerable understatement.

[@speculawyer]

Yeah, there really is a feeling of "What did you expect working for Fox 'news'"? I'm glad she won her settlement but she helped create these problems. It is good that she is trying to change things but it would have been better if she had not participated in the Fox hate machine.

[@doctorj2u2]

Sure can tell you are a Fox News consumer.

[@Spearca]

Did you listen to what she's been doing since Fox?

[@speculawyer]

​@@SpearcaDoes that absolve her of everything she did while at Fox? She walked away with $20 million, people hurt by Fox get nothing.

[@miguelvelez7221]

​@@SpearcaShe is useless in changing minds, and she STILL hold most BS MAGA beliefs. No one in MAGA cares what the "traitors" think after they criticize the movement of their media allies. This "Conservatives Who've Seen The Light" schtick is its own grift, but instead of the MAGA base types it is self congratulating "Centrists" and "I'm NOT with the Racists, I'm a Moderate Conservative" types that are the marks.

[@stephenoneill-zr7gw]

this woman knew ailes was a predator, worked alongside him and watched while he hired other women she knew were going to be abused. then, rather than speaking out she took a payoff -- and now she's the great defender of women? shameful.

[@wlf9108]

Sometimes to truly take an organization down you have to endure the abuse. Hitting them in the pocket is the most effective way of rendering them powerless.

[@stephenoneill-zr7gw]

@@wlf9108 respect, but at the cost of how many others who were abused along the way?

[@1being]

You know there would just have been denials and it wouldn't have kept young women from taking a risk for professional reasons.

[@stephenoneill-zr7gw]

@@1being i honestly don't know how to react to that... are you really saying there's no point in doing the right thing, because it's not going to do any good anyway?

[@miguelvelez7221]

Yeah, sorry... This is a grift. She doesn't have deeply held values, if she did like all Trump supporters they would have actually kicked in A LONG TIME AGO. Conservatives don't have First Principles. They have a pose.

[@serraangel7465]

Tim take your daughter to self defense class.

[@claudiarichmann9313]

Good advice. Also encourage girls to participate in sports. Anything that encourages strength and confidence.

[@jannichi6431]

Think all teens some sort of MMA these days. Sorry to say so.🥌🥊🥋

[@jannichi6431]

Suzanne at Faux has to go for any integrity. Murdoch choice. Shep up sonny boy.

[@rodgerjacobs9437]

I agree with a lot of the things that you’re saying, but let’s stop painting women is angels

[@MeneerHerculePoirot]

"Where are the male allies?" What happened to, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."? It's your gig, Gretchen. We owe you nothing. We'll keep our money, enjoy our lives and let you fight it out for yourselves. Shaming tactics work on simps like Tim Miller, but any self respecting man is living his best life and enjoying the fruits of HIS labor.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Might be a mans world, but it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl.

[@chromafresh]

Tim has creepy audio gremlins @25:48 and on.

[@greedowins]

The plight of normal white men (the only perspective I can speak about directly) has nothing to do with the fact that many powerful people are also white men. It's not like those rich guys hang out with normal low-to-middle class white guys and give us all secret promotions, in fact these same rich white guys are rewarded socially for giving opportunity to minorities and women, creating a specific disadvantage for non-rich white guys that is unique to our position in society. I'm mature enough to understand that other types of people (not middle class white men) have other types of disadvantages, but FFS please stop pretending that there isn't any merit to "the plight of the (not rich) white man".

[@miguelvelez7221]

The plight of the non rich White Man in America is the plight of every non rich citizen, all races and creeds and yeah, sexual orientations yadda-yadda... So why not join with them and recognize that the criticism levied against the rich and powerful is not being levied against you personally. Neither is criticism of, yes, the structural advantages ON AVERAGE that White Americans have over others , a personal criticism of you or your family per se. PS... If you are resentful of perhaps the sense that you feel misinterpreted by larger society and when represented in culture there's only the negatives on display... WELCOME TO BEING A NON-WHITE OR "NON-TRADITIONAL" PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES FOR THE LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS.

[@telemarkaeology]

Hnnnnng... as a fellow white dude, would we really say "plight"? Might go as far as to say "struggle", and only with an asterisk.

[@johnwelch6490]

Florida Festivis Beer Can Poles offend this woman.

[@alanburke1893]

Nobody heard of the traditional, historical defence? A kick in the balls followed by slashing nails? Kept women in my family safe for at least 3 generations... my grandmother worked as typist in WW2 munitions factory... police called to altercation in her department... no charges issued..bloodied weeping male supervisor resigned days later

[@speculawyer]

That's nice but Gretchen got $20 million.

[@alanburke1893]

@@speculawyer which only makes wonder why she won't spend a fraction fighting the NDAs.... $6m or so would get her a SC hearing under 1st Amendment

[@jannichi6431]

She did pave the way for many after her publicized lawsuit. Gillerbrand (who encouraged Al Franken to resign) backing her with Lindsey can't HELP her legislation.

[@johnanderson8714]

Women good men bad! Seems very one sided..:(

[@1being]

That was not the message. But your twist on this certainly says something about your own insecurities or failings. The failures of men referenced here had to do with either being a predator, or participating in that predator culture by trivializing it, or being a coward in having the backs of men who are predators. Which of the three would describe you?

[@notcompletelynormal]

They specifically mentioned that victims, regardless of gender, should be able to speak up. Then later there was a discussion about gender, including specifically going into how we’re failing young boys. If you heard it as being one sided, I think you might’ve gone into it wanting to hear it that way. That might be worth thinking about.

[@Geoffreydarcy-pv4mq]

It sound as if there were some bad men involved. Nobody's perfect ,right?

[@chrisb9345]

Tim, you repeatedly defamed Scott Smith for standing up for the rights and dignity of his teenage daughter. You are not a male ally, because you have repeatedly ignored the rights of women and girls to keep themelves safe. This is not a victory lap you are allowed to take. You have done nothing to deserve it.

[@TheSashapooch]

You obviously don't know Tim at all, to make such a comment. He is a decent guy who always stands up for those who are mistreated. Whatever comments you are referring to are no doubt misrepresented by the lunatic rightwing grist mills. Tim, is a very smart campaign operative who never takes risks with statements he can't back up. If he DID???? say it, he is 100% sure of his facts. And BTW, isn't voicing your opinion, as long as it is not a lie or defamatory, a God given right that MUST be protected? Well, maybe that only applies if you happen agree with it. I must point out that Mr. Smith got his fifteen minutes of fame from the horrible thing that happened to his daughter. I wonder if she will thank him for it?

[@direwolf6234]

isn't he and his partner raising a girl .. ?? maybe his tune will change ....

[@RememberMeYeah]

⁠@@direwolf6234Tim did say as a Republican he was pro life from the perspective of the unborn. It wasn’t until recently that his perspective changed to think of the women in the situation.

[@ElaineMLove]

Such Anger!! You probably don't know(with a personal history) either of the 2 people with whom you are defending or blasting. Even if you do, that's a lot of baggage for you to be carrying around for someone else; it's not healthy for you and probably not necessary. Mr. Smith, I would think, wouldn't want you to be angry for him.

[@speculawyer]

Who?

[@jeannotpoivre437]

Re: the discussion about why Me Too and progress is simultaneous with all of the ugly, hateful stuff. Tim used the word, Backlash, which Susan Faludi theorized a few decades ago.

[@jannichi6431]

Glad she reinforced the truism about sexual assault is about POWER over others, the vulnerable or perseved to be weak by a predator. Misplaced actions are often learned behavior contrubuting to 'cycle'. Please don't leave your children in an environment with just one adult. Try and STAY with kids rather than just dropping off. Safety First. Texas wants to put a 'Chaplain' in every counselors office, no credentials or formal education required. What could go wrong???❤️‍🔥❌🩸👎