Watching Norm debate 3 zionists and completely destroy them is almost like watching Michael Jordan
@genechamson50367 ай бұрын
If you think he "destroyed them", you are as delusional as he is.
@yorhaserene86047 ай бұрын
deadass these guys might as well be paid by the IDF
@ErickRawding7 ай бұрын
@yorhaserene8604 Eli Lake works for the right-wing outlets, Daily Beast and Newsweek. I'm sure he is getting some of his paycheck from orgs representing the Israel gov't.
@J3unG7 ай бұрын
It's easy to refute liars, bro. Everything Norm is repeating is factual. It is immutable and these comics(?) have their collective heads up their arse.
@BLGClipsx7 ай бұрын
@@wolfblitzerianyeah ok 👍 😂
@PiceaSitchensis7 ай бұрын
Norman was calm and polite the entire time, Eli behaved like a petulant child.
@yolauskriff31447 ай бұрын
Is he the fat bald guy?
@Samira_m847 ай бұрын
He’s a Zionists! I find that they are not only delusional but aggressive
@sha11697 ай бұрын
An UGLY petulant child. Don't forget to include this important fact!
@J3unG7 ай бұрын
He's probably a Buzzcocks fan...
@norga20637 ай бұрын
@@J3unG😂😂👌
@VanirTraditionalist4 ай бұрын
Eli Lake is so incredibly condescending…it’s all he has because Norman Finkelstein mopped the floor with him using facts.
@scottcamuto841019 күн бұрын
Pot calling the kettle black?
@siamerzuah10525 ай бұрын
This Finkelstein guy is a light from Heaven. I think God creates such phenomenal individuals for the guidance of mankind. And his brilliance is something to behold. In the video, he is like a mighty lion surrounded by little barking dogs, and he is just pacing up and down, giving them occasional smackdown, but mostly giving them lessons in the knowledge of hunting.
@plenumi5947 ай бұрын
"ELI you don't have a clue what you're talking about!" 100% accurate
@menacetohighsociety7 ай бұрын
If only he had the same appetite for facts as he clearly does for food.
@Watcher68687 ай бұрын
Neither a clue or for that matter any hair!
@dingdingdingding28717 ай бұрын
@@menacetohighsocietypropaganda tool for the JudeoNazl death cult
@J3unG7 ай бұрын
@@Watcher6868 I agree. It's tragic in a funny way.
@J3unG7 ай бұрын
@@menacetohighsociety He's probably a vegan...
@muhammadsafwan56067 ай бұрын
Professor Norman debating these idiots is like Einstein debating an infant on quantum physics. It’s disproportional, they never stood a chance. Professor Norman is a treasure to our species.
@pandapower59026 ай бұрын
They don’t even know the history of Israel and Palestine. They don’t even know that Palestinians are indigenous to the area (proven with DNA).
@nathanb59236 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👌👌👌
@christinenaicker65516 ай бұрын
What a dignified gentleman..the truth and nothing but the truth .backed up by evidence..these two bumblers harp relentlessly using tactics befitting a child throwing a tantrum.. let's NEVER forget the Palestinian prisoners being held in Israeli prisons in detention without a trial some as young as 12yrs old. Genocide is happening right this second in Gaza and that's a fact!!! Netanyahu wants to occupy the Gaza and that's a fact..this has nothing to do with the hostages or Hamas... bombing so indiscreetly, who says they haven't bombed the hostages???
@christinenaicker65516 ай бұрын
Who are the terrorists..l only see one group and that's Netanyahu and his IDF..
@patactually6 ай бұрын
Yea not so much. You clearly hold one position. How about you restate Finkelstein best point in the comments? Just want to see if you can actually restate his argument.
@dylanraffaelli52045 ай бұрын
This was as deeply disturbing as it was informative. I am truly, concertedly troubled by the hosts of this podcast. However...I want to grow up to have the balls of Sir Finkelstein. He behaved beyond man and depicted god in this clip. His ability to stand steadfast, and speak the truth, calmly and eloquently, in the face of those who would pettily snipe at him and his display of facts..Endless respect and love ❤❤❤
@koshka022 ай бұрын
they were chuckling when they were discussing Palestinian children casualties. Absolute ghouls.
@ScottRachelson7775 күн бұрын
What truths? Please explain them in full context!
@terryrose65675 ай бұрын
Well done... NF is truly the crème de la crème in this realm. Thank you for giving him a platform to help educate those like yourselves. He's a treasure ❤
@redsbluesdontwalkinmyshoes76047 ай бұрын
Eli started the debate by calling Finklestein "utterly demented". That is a cringeworthy instant loss. Instant fail. This is what people do when they have nothing left in the factual tank, no juice. If it hadn't been Finkelstien, Eli would have also called him "anti-semitic". It speaks volumes...and its laughable. Instant checkmate...wow.
@wmansir7 ай бұрын
I would agree, but then I watched the rest of the episode and found he wasn't wrong.
@honestabe68417 ай бұрын
Eli was very biased and quite ignorant of the historical facts. Finkelstein showed remarkable patience dealing with him.
@spfcasual37867 ай бұрын
Comparing people in Gaza to slaves in America is demented. Shows you know nothing about Gaza or American slavery.
@shlomokenquinn73917 ай бұрын
Norman is a monumental liar.I have corresponded with him over the years, and the guy is brilliant but an incredible liar.@@honestabe6841
@adamgates11427 ай бұрын
@spfcasual3786 Ya at least the slaves had to work to do...
@eliasih86287 ай бұрын
I’m an Arabic language scholar. The speech that Eli and the host said proved that the speaker (minut 46:30) was admitting the usage of human shield is a big Distortion and lie. The speaker said EXACTLY what Dr. Finkelstein suggested: that the Gazan population are ready to give up their lives for the cause, that they won’t be pushed out of Gaza, they don’t fear death and therefore would surrender. That they welcome death as the Israelis love life. This kind of usage/language is a rhetorical method in the Arabic language especially in war situations where the speaker either wants to uplift the moral and patience of his people and/or being used as a verbal attack to the enemy. That’s obvious to anyone who knows just a little Arabic. No where in that speach (which is probably a sermon after Israeli atrocities) does he admit to Hamas using human shields, he even includes the word “mujahidin” (ie. Hamas) SEVERAL times when he speaks about those who sacrifice their body and blood for the cause. So does that mean that Hamas uses it’s soldiers as human shields as well? What he is clearly saying is that Gazans do not fear death, because they believe that if they die they’ll enter paradise, and that dying defending their land is more noble to them than fleeing. You can agree or disagree with this way of thinking but one thing you can not do is to distort the meaning of what he is saying to mean that he admits that Hamas are using civilians as human shields. That’s just a lie. If they are honest - which I doubt- then they misunderstood because they are ignorant of Arabic language, rhetorical and war-context language used in sermons
@nahumhabte62107 ай бұрын
Eyes are not blind, but hearts and minds.
@mohsinsiddiqui10297 ай бұрын
This should have more likes.
@teymurasgarli95067 ай бұрын
I have been studying arabic for more than 10 years. You are absolutely correct, and I even think it is perfectly understandable in english as well
@usama90227 ай бұрын
Yup lol
@mahenmkhan7 ай бұрын
Even in the translation, it lists "mujahideen" in the list alongside, and not outside of, women, children and elderly. Even in English, a list of four things in sequence results in all four having the same intended designation or attribution. If he had said, "this is why they have formed..." and didn't list the "mujahideen", then one could try to make the case that the three groups were the shields in front of the "mujahideen", with the "mujahideen" as the sole beneficiaries. In any case, the rest of the shown clip, though out of context, still contextualizes the statement further, even if we didn't see the 4 groups listed together. And even the sentences before that statement highlight that all groups are part of this resistance effort against the occupation.
@user-ss9ft9ly7h5 ай бұрын
Professor Finkelstein- we love you, man. This is sixth time watching this lecture, not a debate, but you keeping your cool is just unparalleled, sir.
@user-zh6qw6hu4t4 ай бұрын
I am from jewish living in tel aviv. i respect mr finkelstein more then any of politics in knesset. i was told entourage, neighbors and any of my relatives to hate gaza and hamas. these past months i opened up to other voices and point of views after visiting new york met this men. told that to my parents they were furious,outraged, like this men is the boogeymen of the jewish community in new york,don't approch him,he's a kapo. after more self reflexion, i supported the palestinian cause and their right to live in israel with same right equal. my parents havnt speak to me since then. i couldnt live with the position i was holding. i can't say nothing at work with workmate, i can't have this conversation with my rabbi. but i know deep inside i made the right decision
@NobuhikuObayashi4 ай бұрын
God bless you ❤ You’re doing the right thing
@iramdin88274 ай бұрын
Well done for overcoming the indoctrination and brainwashing ❤️
@katieb.95564 ай бұрын
The world wishes there were more of you. ❤
@user-ne5sd6hz7q4 ай бұрын
❤ very courageous. Stay staunch.
@eldariskenderfranke42844 ай бұрын
I kiss your heart brother♥ Truth takes an enormous amount of strength
@cameronb89406 ай бұрын
Honestly, props to the moderator. Despite getting absolutely exposed as a biased, uneducated propagandist for 2.5 hours, he still posted the video. If i ever got publically embarassed like that, there's no way I'd post it.
@okokokokokokokokkook6 ай бұрын
Lmao these dudes had to have a humiliation kink to go through with this. There was not a single moment in the entire lecture Norm gave them where they weren't being utterly outclassed and embarrassed. Like watching a highschooler try to guard Shaquille O'Neal in the paint.
@Nifter716 ай бұрын
Some 'comedians' would rather be publicly embarrassed than not talked about at all... 😉
@Dnyrey6 ай бұрын
@@okokokokokokokokkook😂😂😂
@khaderlander24296 ай бұрын
Under rated comment
@Muzikman1276 ай бұрын
I thought the moderator was fair and asked fair questions. If I wanted to hear Finkelstein monologue without being challenged, I'd listen to a monologue, this however was a discussion, and the clarifying questions were mostly good ones. The "opponent" I wasn't too impressed with, but I thought the guy in the moderator chair did a fairly good job, regardless of his own personal position (which he didn't conceal, but didn't press either). And Norm had ample time to make his case, and, let's be frank, he does often answer in very roundabout and indirect ways. I'd watch another video with them where they get into details for sure
@Thewoods.7 ай бұрын
Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Prof Finklestein is a national treasure.
@leoandolino46687 ай бұрын
More like a cannon if you hope to get a draw.
@GrantLeeEdwards7 ай бұрын
Too kind. More like Never bring a mushroom dick to a gun fight.
@swordfish71657 ай бұрын
He absolutely demolished them ... [and displayed enormous patience in to the bargain]
@PeecfulP7 ай бұрын
This comment made me realize what’s really happening here. I thought Finklestein was finally in front of a non pandering audience and actually got obliterated. I was glad to see him on the back heel. There are 2 completely different situations going on in Israelistine and you either see one or the other. What a trick the devil is playing on us all.
@matthlinak43727 ай бұрын
They brought KZbin videos to a gun fight.
@chouchou75195 ай бұрын
Frienk 2:01:17 Frienkelstein : "I am not going to trivialize the fact that 1100000 children in Gaza are being the subject of genocide, I see no humor in that, nothing funny about that, I would betray the memory of my parents ,where I ever to mock ridicule find funny to what has done to people in Gaza, it is a crime that makes your heart scream .." pure wisdom ❤❤❤❤❤we just love youuu Fienkelstein
@anmiemixmovie72564 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!
@NP10665 ай бұрын
I'm an Israeli Jew. And I applaud Norman Finkelstein's moral clarity. The genocide in Gaza is indefensible.
@promark53174 ай бұрын
Be careful about where and what you post brother.
@sombra11114 ай бұрын
@@promark5317 Why? Are you threatening him?
@promark53174 ай бұрын
@@sombra1111 no. Israeli police have been visiting people posting stuff they don't like.
@beverlystraus93004 ай бұрын
@@promark5317 Absurd, truly!
@promark53174 ай бұрын
@@beverlystraus9300 Do you think what I said was absurd? If so I can show Israel doing exactly that.
@desolator1086 ай бұрын
I sincerely hope, Dr. Finkelstein in his lifetime see's a Free Palestine.
@achm3dz6 ай бұрын
May Allah bless him with a long life to see that
@KimiAlias6 ай бұрын
He will be rewarded. May the truth prevails
@AbtinX6 ай бұрын
Inshallah
@Leve_Palestina_6 ай бұрын
I really hope so as well. Have the utmost respect to him. He's the epitome of a true jew. Real jews are antizionists.
@toms92726 ай бұрын
Finkelstein doesn't give a damn about a Free Palestine, hence his grotesque dishonesty and false equivocation. He wants the destruction of Israel, and he'd sacrifice every last Palestinian to achieve that goal. If Israel disappeared tomorrow, he'd no longer pretend to care about Palestinians.
@user-ce2ht5uv8e6 ай бұрын
This was better than a Comedy Central roast. Norman is a national treasure. He absolutely destroyed these two idiots.
@garrettgsf88496 ай бұрын
That man-child with Herzl T-shirt better not go into a debate again. I can read the Hasbara guidebook myself, don't need such an unsophisticated intellectual lightweight throwing them around.
@nads59076 ай бұрын
That he did.
@den2646 ай бұрын
The host said Israel only killed a few thousand people. As of today November 22nd. The figure is approximately 13 thousand dead with thousands more still trapped under tons of concrete. 75% of all dead are women and their children.
@yrrahyrrah6 ай бұрын
I wouldn't call the podcast host an idiot, even though he's a Zionist. He's able to criticize several aspects of Israel's actions and he is also probably the best moderator of debates on this topic that I've seen, and I've watched over a dozen.
@Hhajsjeieirhrbbr6 ай бұрын
@@yrrahyrrahbarely, he was hardly a moderator. It was a 2 v 1 debate and Norman wiped the table with them. They have no facts or any credible evidence other than saying ‘you’re wrong’
@billlincoln60875 ай бұрын
One month later, Professor Finklestine was 100 Per cent correct.
@danyelleleblanc14094 ай бұрын
I was about to write the samee thing
@shamainhussain59094 ай бұрын
💯🎯🙏🤲 . Free Palestine!!
@SaintSkanderbegus4 ай бұрын
No he wasnt
@promark53173 ай бұрын
@@SaintSkanderbegusYea he was. You should join us in reality.
@ruffryder133 ай бұрын
Nope
@irishayesamendez59465 ай бұрын
Amazed at the patience of the professor in the midst of arrogant stupidity. That's a great teacher.
@michelecarbone28967 ай бұрын
This guy Eli mamages to be offensive to the eye, the ears and the intellect at once. A real achievement.
@NKzutube7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@bilijeanz7 ай бұрын
Beautifully put.
@Chems-Eddine7 ай бұрын
It was painfull to watch the whole thing .
@daysjours7 ай бұрын
His attire was as sloppy as his thinking
@yorhaserene86047 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@whatintheworld60766 ай бұрын
Eli reminds me of the slave owners that argued their slaves had it good because they gave them food once a day. Opressers never run out of absurdity to justify their evil deeds.
@stephelizabeth6 ай бұрын
Lol so true!
@jullietmburu96726 ай бұрын
Or how pro-colonialists tell Africans that colonialism was a net positive because it "brought development" to Africa, conveniently forgetting that these developments were strictly for white colonialist settlers!
@truthbetold80116 ай бұрын
He's very ignorant
@Dee-rw8ue6 ай бұрын
And arrogant too.
@maisaasmar426 ай бұрын
And shallow I can't believe he kept saying historic illiteracy, demented, and absurd So disrespectfull
@farhatchoudhry56396 ай бұрын
Professor Finklestein was brilliant as always !!!
@Deezy4155 ай бұрын
Okay so 2 months later.. Seems like Finkelstein was right about everything, including Sinai. Shocker. We all await Mr Lakes redaction and course correction with bated breath 🙄
@waqarjilani65386 ай бұрын
“Eli, Eli you can laugh, but laughter can also be a sign of ignorance” 😂
@expos4everac6 ай бұрын
Eli I'm not going to resort to the juvenile insults u hurl at me frankly it's beneath me 😅
@TheeWorkexperienceBootcamp5 ай бұрын
He is a gem
@ChrispyNut5 ай бұрын
The host's reply to that was genuinely amusing though: 'I own a comedy club, I certainly hope that's not always true' 🤣
@easylinkz9955 ай бұрын
Fried him
@dabbydabs68184 ай бұрын
Brilliant takedown🤣 Norm proves how simple it is to dismantle zionist nonsense with simple logic, critical thinking and a modicum of human decency.😃
@rickyrojas61477 ай бұрын
Eli made a complete mockery of himself. This podcast does nothing but prove the importance of education and articulating your thoughts with care. Norman once again showed out and did so with grace and empathy for his co-hosts who were clearly nowhere near his level intellectually. He's a real man of virtue and a positive force in this world. Protect Dr. Finkelstein at all costs!
@levand36737 ай бұрын
Norman is a sophist and a liar! He is the reason why there is a huge increase in Anti-semitism on American campuses and the streets of America. Finkelrat is not is a Intellectual. He regularly engages in intellectual masturbation.
@sha11697 ай бұрын
This Eli thing that could be referred to as a human on a cellular level is as disgusting in his rhetoric as in his appearance. He was inarticulate in his poorly understood knowledge of the entire situation and clearly biased due to his lack of evidence when bleating his IDF and Zionist propaganda in comparison to the calm, quick-witted fact-based (destructive - let's be honest, he completely destroyed these insignificant excuses for humans) responses from the great Dr. Finkelstein. Another win for the fair and the just.
@rickyrojas61477 ай бұрын
@@mardeni958not sure how presenting KZbin videos and making emotional talking points constitutes a victory in a debate setting but yea sure I'll let you have that one buddy 🫡
@sha11697 ай бұрын
@@mardeni958 You're joking that you actually thought he won right? lol Have you read EVERY other comment on this video? Eli wasn't even IN the debate. It was a one-sided, landslide, fact-based, history lesson and schooling in an aggressive 3-on-1 from Dr. Finklestein. He barely broke a sweat and answered every question factually and calmly, unlike the child-like Eli and whoever the other two unknowns are. Please tell me you were joking?
@rickyrojas61477 ай бұрын
@@sha1169yea he's just taking the piss man. Just trying to get a reaction lol.
@Amen-sx3mp5 ай бұрын
This felt like 2 vs. 1 and the one, Professor Finkelstein was far superior. Bravo.
@ChrispyNut5 ай бұрын
Hence, it's not 2 v 1. The Eli character was more like a clown, hence maybe why the host had to step in a few times to bring some rationalism to that side of the debate (as he certainly seems to lean towards Israel). It's 1v1. Just 1 equals one person, the other by an idiotic, partisan parrot and a barely informed guy (with all the power as the host).
@sofialazuli15876 ай бұрын
What a polite and treasure man Professor Finklestine is ❤️
@iamhavingagreattime22197 ай бұрын
This is like watching Albert Einstein debate a couple of third graders on theoretical physics
@HM-rz8nv7 ай бұрын
and the third graders act absolutely certain they know more than Albert Einstein at that!
@mg26197 ай бұрын
I dunno about that analogy bc at least kids would try to get to the truth of the matter. These bozos are just trying to push Israeli propaganda.
@johnnyrotten987 ай бұрын
Einstein was a plagiarist and a moron who couldn't tie his own shoe
@daoudkamal77687 ай бұрын
@@HM-rz8nvhahaha they got so destroyed it wasn’t even a competition xD It’s so funny that they were so speechless that they started to attack him as a person rather then rebuttal his argument which is a cheap tactic and it still failed xD
@abdulabdullahi38496 ай бұрын
1:23:00 "Eli you can laugh, but laughter can also be an indication of ignorance" Damn, Professor Finkelstein is running circles around these boozos
@slayxtreme60436 ай бұрын
Mr norman extraordinare, a real genius
@SegzWithTedCruz5 ай бұрын
How he kept interrupting norm when he was about to tie all of his points together " I I I I okay we need to move on" was bad for my blood pressure. Christ what an annoying host.
@EytanKoch5 ай бұрын
How is that a good argument? Does he refute anything Eli said here? No. Does he bring any new information or perspective to the debate? No. When people say things like that, it's because they are losing a debate, not winning it. How can you not see that?
@SegzWithTedCruz5 ай бұрын
@@EytanKoch 1) jsay things like what? 2)what points of norm did eli and his host buddy refute? 3)what evidence that has actual substance supports what eli is saying and refutes what norm is saying? Do you honestly think that human rights watch and amnesty international are what, antisemitic? This is getting absurd, if you ever have kids I hope they don't ever find your takes during this time cause they will be disgusted.
@EytanKoch5 ай бұрын
@@SegzWithTedCruz I left a comment with links for you to check out but apparently that's not something that's encouraged here (my comment appears to have disappeared), so let me just say it this way: Literally do your own research. Google is a great tool. I'm betting that in less than just 10 minutes you can confirm everything I'm about to bring up. Maybe you'll come across all the antisemitic things that Amnesty leaders have said over years. Just last year, one of them said that Israel should not exist as a Jewish state. Let's even pretend for a moment that that is NOT an antisemitic statement (which it clearly is). Don't you think that believing that could affect his ability to be objective? Perhaps you'll discover the article from the British paper "The Times" that links Amnesty leaders to both the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Or take what Norman said about "Mowing the lawn." Perhaps your google search will reveal the truth about that phrase (disgusting as it is, I admit). You'll see it has nothing to do with killing innocent Gazan kids and everything to do with killing guilty Hamas terrorists. And let's take Norm's claim that Gaza is a concentration camp. Show me gas chambers, show me creamatoria, show me piles of skeletal, starved to death bodies and maybe we can talk. I could go on and on. Norman Finkelstein is a Jewish propagandist. He is not objective. He even admitted that in his interview with Marc Lamont Hill when he said: "Fair enough; fair enough. You can claim I have an agenda and I tailor my language to furthering my agenda." Finally a bit of honesty from this supposedly unbiased academic. I'd say that the phrase "tailoring my language" is a great example of just how he does tailor his language.
@sonwabile5 ай бұрын
I respect a man who recalls examples from history to make a point.
@waratahtoba84265 ай бұрын
Eli's gaslighting vs Norman's facts
@stupidwooful4 ай бұрын
Is it gaslighting if you actually believe it? I think it's closer to narcissism
@nicodelaguila907 ай бұрын
I loved seeing how Eli Lake completely dodged Dr. Finkelstein's question about what respected human rights source he was leaving out.
@KIKIkiran-xf4jf6 ай бұрын
100%, and he said 'im happy to answer your question' and then went on to not answer the question
@tablesalt26286 ай бұрын
More to the point, what sources does Eli Lake use?
@mrh38946 ай бұрын
@@tablesalt2628the Eggman Quarterly
@tablesalt26286 ай бұрын
@@mrh3894 lool
@hb986786 ай бұрын
@@mrh3894Says a lot about our society that he's deemed as a respected intellectual, then to watch him have a fit for 2+ hours.
@marie-laure.7 ай бұрын
Norman Finkelstein brilliantly debunked propaganda talking points in a 1 to 3 debate. Courageous and talented
@aminhalilovic34997 ай бұрын
A lion doesn’t care how many sheep’s are in the room. He knows he is speaking the truth
@jalemairliha7 ай бұрын
Hardly.
@bawar1127 ай бұрын
@@jalemairlihabrilliant rebuttal Einstein
@StrongbyLee7 ай бұрын
And when Norman was asked a question he didn't like, his response was: "I'm not going to quarrel."
@navigator37447 ай бұрын
@@StrongbyLee Because they were bullshit questions; a fair judge would have sustained objections to them in a courtroom on the basis of being argumentative, prejudicial, not probative of anything relevant to the present Lidician operation by the IDF.
@ColonialHerstoryOriginal4 ай бұрын
Observe the certainty Norman has in comparison to Eli. I am always amazed by the mental gymnastics it takes to justify a genocide.
@esands88746 ай бұрын
These "comedy" guys are some of the least informed people I've heard argue these points. I didn't know this professor until today, but for once I've found somebody genuinely educated on this subject. I wonder if they actually learned anything from this or that they will continue their march through life re-spouting the monumental ignorance that will force this issue towards genocide. As a Jewish man, I understand the emotion behind their fervour, but as a thinking man and one that has a moral compass I could never be alright with the obvious propaganda used to justify one of the most egregious displays of horror that Israel is visiting upon a people that they have treated as subhuman since 1948. Prior to that it was Israeli Zionists that carried out the most terrible acts of terror against the British. How twisted the world has become and with such short memories. - And the bald guy is by far the most heinous of the lot here. Respect for posting this though - I certainly wouldn't have if I came off as such a group of imbeciles.
@mgkos5 ай бұрын
I hve no idea why your comment isn’t getting more likes. That info regarding Zionist attacks on Brits is both interesting & well concealed from the full story, so thank you for that info, will look into it.
@CircaBEFORE5 ай бұрын
@@mgkoscompletely agree with you. I am also going to look into the referenced zionist attacks against the british too!
@halimaalhiane92845 ай бұрын
I agree 100%
@halimaalhiane92845 ай бұрын
I agree 100%
@bacarolle4 ай бұрын
Good to see other Jews seeing through all this flimsy Hebrew school propaganda
@FarhatKCh7 ай бұрын
This debate wasn’t to change the mind of the moderator or the guest; it was to show us, the audience, the difference between narratives that are woven from supremacy and emotional arguments vs a narrative that comes from facts, information and unemotional morality.
@mmorpgprincess72067 ай бұрын
Man, I wish that was the case. It was evident that both the host and Eli believed the arguments they put forth. The host made his beliefs known both in the questions he posed and the way he posed them. However, although that may not have been their motive, the real message is just as you claim: that the overwhelming majority of citizens make determinations based on emotion, racism, and propanda-based belief systems rather than facts or logic.
@piegirlie7 ай бұрын
Yes, Norman made clear, he was speaking to the listening audience. I liked that he maintained the highst of goals throughout. They couldn't drag him down. The chick: I never heard of mowing the lawn in Gaza, and bc of that I don't believe it was said. Does she think Norman made it up?
@ericdeissler2097 ай бұрын
This is a good take - that there’s a silver lining: Despite the gaping hole of disagreement between the pro Israel supporters and Norman, a chasm not shrinking probably ever, the conversation is valuable to the reasonable folks of all walks of life who exist in that middle ground. And for that we should be thankful to the not-norm participants/host. It would be better if they respectfully disagreed and found the value & sacrifice in Finkelstein’s dedication to a suffering group of fellow humans. (Not that I didn’t cry for the Israeli victims of the massacre. I did cry. Devastating. But the response has been beyond comprehension.)
@gkagara7 ай бұрын
Ugh.... People taking middle ground is a coward, IMO. Why it's so hard to see that one is the occupied and another is the occupier. I am totally on the side of the occupied because my country have centuries of history being occupied and it's just terrible, the occupier always take they never give something back, they do feed us but only enough to keep us alive, nobody have full belly it's a luxury.
@qazwsxedc9647 ай бұрын
It was a crucifixion, not a debate.
@eudaem0n6 ай бұрын
Lake: You're being selective in your sources Finkelstein: Here's a list of reputable human rights groups I'm using as sources. Tell me which reputable human rights groups I must be omitting if I'm being "selective" Lake: [Starts talking about something else]
@Dennzer15 ай бұрын
exactoly
@Malet-Anatole5 ай бұрын
Lake: "I just thought that I would punch the line into and I thought he is not listening. Makes me feel like being a academic gangster."
@irinamitraj81955 ай бұрын
Not to mention he had ZERO sources. He never mentioned a source except for Hamas.
@md85aus944 ай бұрын
"Hamas is a military dictatorship " COMPLETELY UNDENIABLE FACT. frankenstien response "the people were never given a chance" Yeah you psycopath hamas killed everyone else. Where's his " source" for that utter deranged BS.
@jeannedarc75334 ай бұрын
@@user-kk5dn7zt4x At this point, you just straight up turned psychotic. This is the same bumblefucked mentality of a flat-eather who similarly labels all space agencies "delusional" for saying the Earth is a globe. But in all fairness though, you are correct in your assessment of your answer as "easy," because the truth is too _inconvenient_ for you to handle.
@ayaya1735 ай бұрын
2:01:00 literally made me cry. What a stalwart of a man Norman.
@Kahzjgvsbdh4 ай бұрын
To be honest, They even don’t know how to deal with an academic.
@erikapapi6 ай бұрын
“Eli, it is very unwise and imprudent to use cheap tactics with me.” Eli got a whooping in the most eloquent way this whole time. Called his whole bluff.
@erikapapi6 ай бұрын
Eli is fighting his own demons and insecurities and externalizing it toward Dr. Finklestein or whoever else he can.
@maelstrom526 ай бұрын
LOL! That's when he said he doesn't use Hamas' statistics, and then when asked what he is citing claims it was the Gaza Health Ministry which is literally run by Hamas. Norm did not acquit his position at all. Everything Eli accused him of was 100% true, and just because Norm filibustered the entire time by bringing up random anecdotes (Biden-style) doesn't mean his arguments were any good. The man is a clown.
@chilo81876 ай бұрын
@@maelstrom52So only Israel has legitimate statistics? Do you realize how cheap it is to completely discount numbers from one side, and then take the other sides numbers as truth just because you’re on their side?
@l3monsquar36 ай бұрын
@@maelstrom52he went on to site like 3 other sources with numbers and then explained the numbers of the sources, or did you stop right after he said "Gaza Health ministry"?
@ssj210006 ай бұрын
Time stamp please
@thomasp60347 ай бұрын
Eli Lake reminds me of a pampered undergraduate who was the star pupil in his high school and doesn't like being challenged by smarter people at college. We live in a culture, fuelled by the media, which encourages people to be hysterical and emotive. We need more people like Finkelstein to teach us to argue calmly.
@masterfull67026 ай бұрын
And wearing a t-shirt of Hertzel, I can’t help but think that he wanted to antagonise Dr Finkelstein. It was in poor taste in my opinion.
@AshiwiZuni6 ай бұрын
@@masterfull6702bruh I deadass thought that was Serj Tankian ☠️😭
@one43206 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure he's gay.
@bog45436 ай бұрын
@@one4320im pretty sure you’re gay
@jds6146 ай бұрын
@@naushad5139he isn't world famous. He is communist and terrorist famous Ask any normie non political tuned in person...they would say who?
@MrFasikaH5 ай бұрын
Eli’s intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking. Resorting to cheap and morally impoverished tactics only elevates Finkelstein to even higher levels and exposes himself as a liar with zero integrity.
@eleeshahazanovitch01084 ай бұрын
Noam and Eli are physically incapble of letting proffesor finklestein finish a sentence.
@slvskngs13179 күн бұрын
This was so frustrating to watch. The host was mostly fine and even asked good questions. Without a doubt he had his own bias. But Eli came not to discuss but to debate and prove Dr. Finkelstein wrong. Having watched Dr. Finkelstein’s lectures and other interviews, he’s a very slow methodical speaker and that’s how he crafts his arguments. But it seemed at every corner they would interrupt him and say “Aha! See you’re a hypocrite!” and he was clearly still express his thoughts. There was no serious intent to learn, but only to disavow. Dr. Finkelstein has spent over 40 years studying the Palestinian situation and has arrived at his points after decades of research. It’s fine to disagree with him but it’s insulting to question every factual point he brings up and discredit it. It blows my mind that he would discredit Amnesty International without any reason other than the fact that it runs counter to how he “feels” about Gaza and Palestine. In fact, starting at 55:40, Eli basically admits that he distrusts the death toll simply because he feels like it’s not trustworthy. There’s nothing scholarly about what Eli is saying, he’s parroting the Western talking points that we, including myself, have grown up with. And sorry, I have to mention this, but like him or not, he is a PhD and has earned the title “Doctor”. I don’t think Dr. Finkelstein doesn’t care much but it bothered me that he was not given the proper distinction any time Eli referred to him. It’s just bad manners disguised as righteousness.
@jimmycicero996 ай бұрын
Dr. Norman is a man with integrity, he is a national treasure that we don't deserve. He is on right side of history.
@sandyunderpants43766 ай бұрын
The guy is a liar and scumbag who thinks what happened on October 7 was justified.
@knowledgebelaraby6 ай бұрын
Since I discovered this man a couple of days ago and I can't stop watching his videos. How on earth did I not hear about him before?
@sandyunderpants43766 ай бұрын
@@knowledgebelaraby Because Palestinians didn't commit October 7 until a few weeks ago, and there was no reason to excuse unnecessary slaughter of innocent people until now. Enter Norm Finkelstein.
@Buzz7276 ай бұрын
@@sandyunderpants4376 ever heard of intifada??? the Palestinians fight back whatever they can. today we have social media, not one side argument from israel hasbara
@Ozzy1984_6 ай бұрын
Finklestein is like many others. He appears impressive when you first discover him, but keep listening, and you'll soon discover he's a biased hack. He can only see things from one perspective and its not the perspective I share.
@nosheenraza14247 ай бұрын
Can’t respect Dr. Finklestein more. People like him make the world livable. What an exemplary humanitarian, who has had to suffer so much to tell the truth.
@honestabe68417 ай бұрын
I agree. 🤔 The man is a truth teller under very harsh circumstances. He is a very brave scholar.
@lamasbelladelmundo7 ай бұрын
Insane that the idiot host kept interrupting him. Talk like behaving like a chimp in a glass store.
@stella32657 ай бұрын
Amen brother. Peace.
@mattconstantine98847 ай бұрын
you need help you anti semite.
@TheOkkeh7 ай бұрын
How hard is to debate uneducated person with preconceived notions like these two, they don't know that they don't know, May God reward you Norman Finkelstein for your hard work to do this
@youngmarty965 ай бұрын
Norman got the chillest and hardest roasts known to man
@renerodriguez84995 ай бұрын
Norman wiped the floor with these guys lol
@arslanseitaly83647 ай бұрын
Norman was constantly interrupted and stayed calm. What a man
@EverGreenElephant7 ай бұрын
He was interrupted because it is his rhetoric strategy to speak all the time in order to dominate the talk.
@royboy45717 ай бұрын
@@EverGreenElephant Or to state the facts, which take time, rather using talking points by the three partisan hacks.
@miatomi7 ай бұрын
@@EverGreenElephant Stepping back from the conversation at hand, believing this is a good way to get yourself swindled by fools. Sharing information, thorough information, takes time.
@zanderorlin38817 ай бұрын
@@EverGreenElephantright.. the interrupted caused the interruption.. not the interrupter.. right cause that makes logical and perfect sense..
@KyleOfTheNorth7 ай бұрын
Seriously? He talked more than both of the other guys
@rogerwooderson24237 ай бұрын
Well done Norman, outnumbered, interrupted and mocked but you still managed to cut through. I hope this guy is better at comedy than he is at hosting...
@Redpill5557 ай бұрын
Am sorry to inform you he is worst😂😂😂
@shabbaranks79687 ай бұрын
@@Redpill555you are spiralling and the world is turning on Israel and for good reason and deep down you know it
@jeffjackson52777 ай бұрын
I am very much on the side Norman resides on, but I thought the host did genuinely try to be fair. He clearly was on Israel's side to begin with, as were the others in the room, so in light of the factors against fairness, he did alright. I was thinking kudos to him for having this convo. Eli was the one who seemed the odd one out - totally unhinged.
@jacedjohnson35417 ай бұрын
@@Redpill555lmao
@Bearded.Stranger7 ай бұрын
@@jeffjackson5277 Agreed, it was a good talk with respect presented on all sides, Eli the least but again it's an emotionally charged conversation to have.
@PeacefulPerspectives332 ай бұрын
Time is the best judge. Mr. Eli, please verify if Norman Finkelstein was mistaken about Israel.
@jideotuify6 ай бұрын
How is the professor so calm in schooling these idiots??
@noname772fp26 ай бұрын
Norman is far and away the most educated man on this subject that has ever lived
@harkyo6 ай бұрын
Studying for 40 years and living the experience leaves him the undisputed authority on the facts about Israel/Palestine.
@InshushaGroupie6 ай бұрын
Read more broadly, not even Finkelstein would make this claim.
@noname772fp26 ай бұрын
@@InshushaGroupie I’m pretty sure Norm has said exactly what I said just in different words
@InshushaGroupie6 ай бұрын
I would be absolutely amazed to hear him say something so preposterously arrogant, but feel free to show where.@@noname772fp2
@den2646 ай бұрын
That must be the strangest massacre ever known in history where the oppressors far outnumber the victims.
@davidmeacham98517 ай бұрын
Norman Finklestein is an amazingly courageous academic and humanist. He deals with facts. He has been studying and researching the situation in the apartheid state of Israel. Amnesty International has joined other leading human rights groups in stating that Israel’s “system of oppression and domination” over the Palestinians amounts to the international definition of apartheid.
@user-jl5fz9gx3h5 ай бұрын
Professor Norman is a treasure. May God bless him .
@alanniven-qq6tj5 ай бұрын
The presenter started trying to look impartial, but ended up realising that Eli Lake was on the ropes and looked panicky as he repeatedly waded in on his side😂
@bobytubeify7 ай бұрын
I'm 1hr 5min into this. I've seen Mr. Finkelstein in a number of heated debates and yet this one has honestly left me beyond depressed. Hearing the main host just fully digging in as hard as possible to every source Norman is getting (the last straw for me was the poisoned water) and just literally ignoring the fact that - at this stage of the interview - there's not a single decent source on the Israeli side is just infuriating beyond belief. Its sheer tribalism. They don't WANT the other narrative of Palestinian oppression to enter their heads (espeically the host) so they're literally performing the most insane mental gymanstiscs to avoid it. Imagine asking "who sais the Wells are poisoness?" Jesus christ why the fuck would every human rights organisation lie about this? What's the point? Do we all want to break down Israel that badly and smear it that we'll just lie about every single source and every human rights report? It's just insanity they honestly can't see just how much blood is on israel hands because they go insane if they did. God help us all we'll look back on this one day with such utter contempt and disgust that we'll be ashamed to call ourselves Moral in any way whatsoever
@SturdyRoots0076 ай бұрын
Your take is spot on.
@Christian-ry3ol6 ай бұрын
100%
@ynotlucki6 ай бұрын
excellently well put
@mominahameed6116 ай бұрын
Yeah I do think Israeli's are so brainwashed that if they ever get to know how much destruction their ideology has caused they might not be able to bear it. That's if they are humans because all look like monsters rn.
@MohammedAli-tb7zc6 ай бұрын
Your take is right. What you're referring to is burden of proof. When the consensus agrees on a particular notion, idea, or statistic, as most probably true, then the burden of proof lies not in proving the consensus true. It lies in the conflicting arguments discrediting the consensus and proving the contrary. And that's why there is an information war. The more sway you have on the consensus, the more you capitalise on the nationalism and parroting nature of those that subscribe to you. Since its inception, the Israeli regime has gathered the tools and devices necessary to challenge the consensus when it aligns with the truth of its barbaric nature. Hence, history is written by the victors.
@alialzoubi28106 ай бұрын
As an Arabic person, I would like to express my appreciation for Professor Norman Finkelstein. You did what the other people are afraid to do, basically going after historical facts, statistical information, and just being honest with what is really around. This indicates the maturity of the research methodology followed by the professor in searching for the truth. With all respect for you.
@den2646 ай бұрын
The term "mowing the grass" has been used by Bibi Netanyahu and dozens of other right wing politicians including Benny Gantz . I am surprised that the youg lady who is Jewish has not heard of it. Selective reading perhaps.
@johnnysoccer19836 ай бұрын
As a Caucasian Australian who has no bone in this fight, I'd also like to show my appreciation for Norman for not fearing speaking truth to power.
@louisar42276 ай бұрын
💯
@rickdiggler96806 ай бұрын
@johnnysoccer1983 I'm from New Zealand and feel the same way. Norman and other Jewish voices have been some of the best perspectives to listen to in this whole thing
@jeminib54214 ай бұрын
May god bless him with full heath and long life, he is a symbol of bravery and truth... As an Arab and Muslim, may we see more people who follow the same principals...
@supremelysoigne4 ай бұрын
I really do like the ending! Everyone was acting normal. Almost as if they turned all the cameras off and they didn't know they were being recorded.
@shawngoudard59275 ай бұрын
If you were ever unsure of what projection is, pay attention to Eli Lake.
@ErenYaegerPhilosophy7 ай бұрын
I have immense respect for Norman Finkelstein. His pain for the Palestinian victims is sincere unlike many people who just do lip service.
@beebee2427 ай бұрын
His empathy gives me hope for humanity
@TBD3.07 ай бұрын
Indeed he's sincere in speaking the truth and for that I have nothing but respect for him.
@TBD3.07 ай бұрын
@@beebee242 We need more like him to spread the truth.
@myliege58007 ай бұрын
Yeh, I think we’re all do separated from it. If people just listened to people like him, we’d have a better world
@J3unG7 ай бұрын
I rewatched this ridiculous video immediately after Dr. Finklestein's appearance on George Galloway's show. It is obvious to me now that this was a setup, that the corpulent, receding hipster and the Zionist podcast host set up a few of the segments to somehow confound Dr. Finklestein and impugn his veracity on all the (indisputable) facts he brought to the show. It's clear to see these guys are Zionist and seem superior to Dr. Finklestein and his empathy for the people of Gaza. It's gross but they lost. I hope people don't tune into this show. It's neither informative or useful. It's definitely not funny. Sad, really.
@LuisRico-em3hb7 ай бұрын
"Excuse me for raising my voice" said Mr. Finkelstein. Respect to Mr Finkelstein to his poise to deliver knowledge.
@Gabriel-vg5qv4 ай бұрын
2:00:52 - 2:01:58 Tell me if that isn't one of the most powerful moments you've witnessed from any professor on a subject like this. This man upholds the truth until his very last breath. He is an angel fighting for innocent children who are not only unrelated to him but also belong to another religion and ethnic group-many of them orphans barely surviving and enduring daily suffering for no apparent reason. I wish and pray for him a long, healthy, and happy life. Surely, God will reward his selfless and hard work. 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing'
@tb121619914 ай бұрын
"To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed, never with the oppressors." -Marek Edelman, Commander of the Warsaw Uprising
@edosandzo3 ай бұрын
@tb12161991 Unfortunately, that was never the case (except for individuals like Norman Finkelstein) for as long as I can remember.
@tb121619913 ай бұрын
@@edosandzo, my step dad is Jewish, and everyone in his family felt that way.
@orihime2u9135 ай бұрын
Thank you professor, thank you for sharing his words. Wish there was more respect and less ignorance.
@banana_loaf10467 ай бұрын
Dr. Finkelstein, what a man... what an honor to listen to him over and over again.
@asahmed19807 ай бұрын
I have nothing but respect for you Professor Finkelstein. You carry yourself with humility and dignity.
@ccahill23227 ай бұрын
@ashamed1980, Have you noticed the Eli character when you see his teeth how it reminds one of the Clown in the movie "IT?"
@asahmed19807 ай бұрын
@@ccahill2322 I couldn't careless how he looks. As much as I couldn't stand Blake's opinions Finkelstein didn't resort to cheap insults. Class act from a dignified scholar.
@duanemiddleton91626 ай бұрын
Indeed he does. I love that he does not attack the person, but the ideas. His demeanor is of a nobleman. In the face of remarks meant to disparage he stays focused and addresses the substance. Bravo professor Finkelstein.
@patactually6 ай бұрын
@Ccahill2322 Good to see you are focusing on the right things. If you watch a debate and you comment on the appearance of one debater, you are a loser.
@jds6146 ай бұрын
@@asahmed1980isn't he not a dignified scholar in actuality Like he was denied tenure. He is a Hamas schill
@DosEquisMan455 ай бұрын
The amount of times Finkelstein gets interrupted is infuriating
@TheContactLine5 ай бұрын
NORMAN EMBARASSED THESE GUYS
@maysch20196 ай бұрын
I don’t know how Dr Norman Finklestein can be so patient… bravo
@RobertDrane5 ай бұрын
His patience is an adaptation that allows him to survive his superhuman stubbornness. He has the soul of a mule. God bless him. Free Palestine
@anapontopina865 ай бұрын
@@RobertDranemost underrated comment😄
@ruffryder133 ай бұрын
He doesn't have the capacity to consider the justification of his own opinions. That leads to certainty.
@RobertDrane3 ай бұрын
@@ruffryder13 When you can see someone clearly projecting it looks like they're aware of a problem they have and are deliberately accusing others as a diatraction tactic. This ignores that its a subconscious process. Projecting doesn't subjectively feel like making something up. It feels like noticing something. Please reflect on that.
@ruffryder133 ай бұрын
@@RobertDrane Will do, Mr Jung. I hope you reflect on the fact that what you said is nonsense.
@royakakar55436 ай бұрын
Prof. Norman Finkelstein has proven that humanity still exists, it was an honour listening to all the facts that he provided us. I can understand how difficult it must have been for Prof. Norman to educate these fools who see everything but pretend to see not and to hear everything but pretend to hear not.
@wm29226 ай бұрын
Well said. Plus Eli looks like a self-hating egg.
@dillpete41226 ай бұрын
Normank Finkelstein is a grifting tool, no one who has an ounce of respectability is able to listen to his annoying voice for more than 5 seconds
@Dnyrey6 ай бұрын
Absolutely 👍🏾
@Jchasser6 ай бұрын
Well, I don’t understand and I agree with him on a lot, but he’s idea that well Hamas or freedom fighters when they jump the fence and rape and killed civilians and so that’s fair game by that standard anybody that claims their oppressed can rape and kill in murder civilians, so there goes the law of armed conflict. That’s what I don’t understand why people like support Finkelstein. I understand what he’s coming from, I agree with him about Palestine but I don’t agree that it is fair game to kill and bomb and rape, women, children, and civilians
@noorjahanabdeen47006 ай бұрын
Comedy maybe your forte..😂
@techwithcoding6415 ай бұрын
😂😂 I can't stop laughing on Eli reaction every time professor Norman responded
@domjat5 ай бұрын
2:20:53 hey man we're ready for that apology
@Qatayeff5 ай бұрын
Came here for that too
@voidinteractive93085 ай бұрын
What’s dudes name?
@dandannoodles5 ай бұрын
@@voidinteractive9308Noam Dworman
@NeoShaman7 ай бұрын
Normal Finkelstein is an elderly man, and I am full of admire how he was able to debate those trolls for more than 2 hours. Mr Finkelstein I admire your composure, calmness and wisdom.
@Quviyn7 ай бұрын
Well he’s 69 - not that elderly
@DanEMO5927 ай бұрын
Idk if they’re trolls, they seem like they’re approaching the discussion in good faith; they’re just struggling with the emotional reality of what Finkelstein is saying.
@Quviyn7 ай бұрын
@@DanEMO592 I think you’re right
@corneliushfc43707 ай бұрын
Absolutely a real honest and good man. Those lot are the usual privileges ignorant supporters of Israel, they likely have Isralie passports themselves. Does anyone know their citizenship status?
@billyconnelly35686 ай бұрын
"elderly" what?
@ronalddepesa62216 ай бұрын
All Eli did was attack Norman as a person. All Norman did was attack Eli's position and claims. Eli is a disgrace
There was even a part where the one guy says “I’m not trying to mock you” to Finkelstein and then Eli says “I’ll mock you” under his breath. I wish Finkelstein would have addressed that but even if he heard it, he’s too mature to quarrel over some immature comment that’s gonna derail the discussion. Imagine inviting a Scholar on your podcast only to throw insults and snide remarks at him. Eli’s a child. The cognitive dissonance was flooding their brains the entire time.
@izebellebluereadsoutloud37155 ай бұрын
It’s an emotional topic for both of them and for nearly everyone.
@maya-amf33255 ай бұрын
So eli is the fat bald guy?
@user-tp9fv6ju1f5 ай бұрын
I am surprised with mr Filkenstein's patience, talking to these two guys.I am from Greece and i know very good what resistance against the oppressor is. When people have nothing to loose they use all means in their power.
@robikin45632 ай бұрын
They said he wold apologize if Israel starves gaza.... I wonder if he did it yet
@adamfitzgerald9117 ай бұрын
Eli Lake put himself in an absolutely awful and hopeless position of debating the Israel-Gaza issue with an actual professor and expert on the subject in Norman Finkelstein while also defending genocide by the Israeli military.
@indielenseproject36927 ай бұрын
Yeah. Definitely an impossible task. He's so brave to even show up lol
@mattconstantine98847 ай бұрын
wrong.
@collinoliver70497 ай бұрын
@@mattconstantine9884right 👍🏽
@Tom-rt6df7 ай бұрын
He got his ass kicked.
@beebee2427 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for anyone tasked with going up against the righteous Norman Finkelstein. The moral compass of a whole being cannot be swayed with any earthly delights. That scheming snake-tongued Dershowitz was frazzled during his debate with Finkelstein on Democracy Now. He was so embarrassed by his absolute failure to prove his side he got Norman fired although he was a tenured professor. Norman has paid for his moral compass but will always be remembered as true north. ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼🇵🇸
@ma328517 ай бұрын
Norman Finklestein is a true intellect. He knows and understands this issue better than anyone i've heard.
@YallaMiami7 ай бұрын
And no one even dares to debate him or bring him to his show if they pro Israelis
@5piles7 ай бұрын
ummm he is literally the leading scholar on the topic. what youve heard is irrelevant.
@r.b61707 ай бұрын
Hmm. ... The host 'to me seems pro Israel'; this leads me to wonder what truly pro Israel people are like ????
@qazwsxedc9647 ай бұрын
@@r.b6170probably sponsored by them…
@YallaMiami7 ай бұрын
@@r.b6170 he definitely is.
@alexr19345 ай бұрын
Seems like Norm can't believe he's actually having to debate these two.
@deficrypto12344 күн бұрын
It isnt a debate. Its a lecture from an esteemed teacher and 3 difficult students.
@marco8081a5 ай бұрын
2:21:41... this bit sums it up. Kudos to Finkelstein for even appearing on this show.
@sayyidharis47426 ай бұрын
Never quarrel with facts.. Thank you Dr Norman Finkelstein.
@ChrispyNut5 ай бұрын
Except that he does throughout this debate, just any intellectual ought to do, because facts can say whatever you want them to say without the appropriate context and associated facts. let alone whether the fact is even true. Facts evolve as we learn more and gain better understanding.
@zeinabmortada28966 ай бұрын
I had tears listening to you, Dr. No one ever talked about the suffering of the Palestinian like you do. All my respect
@nawwaf__6 ай бұрын
Can anyone who opposes Hamas explain to me? What do you find strange when you say we should destroy HAMAS for killing 1400 ppl . ok, fine, but we also should destroy Israeli governors for their uncountable crimes and massacres . why does it sound like something crazy to say ???,?????¿ I want to know the logic
@kenjohnson63264 ай бұрын
I didn't know Norman Finkelstein could be so patient.
@jehaaan375 ай бұрын
Live by book always. Because books are written critically, not like media; written mostly by people's perspective and not by the truth. More power Mr. Norman. ❤
@lucyoliviasmith6 ай бұрын
It was painful at times to listen to this, but Norman was so patient with these two guys that are clearly completely out of their league in terms of research and intellect. The difference between internet personalities and a true scholar couldn't have been more evident. Thank you Norman.
@den2646 ай бұрын
One man relies on his intelligence, intellect, and memory, whist the other two just present ridiculous foreign language cartoons.
@jamesnadell19986 ай бұрын
Bullseye. Internet personalities vs true scholar. Eli actually calls Finkelstein historically ignorant and a false friend to the Palestinians. He is not a serious fellow. He is not operating in good faith. That's as charitable as I can.
@debraberg45136 ай бұрын
the two irrational "make it quick..." tards act like many Israelis, immature and derp like it's not even comical. It's unreal.... I almost want to feel sorry for them. Unfortunately, my country the US and the UK did this. We all helped created these gullible goons.
@teachernuala88886 ай бұрын
I feel like they also don't stand a chance because there is exponentially more research into the occupation
@natedang50256 ай бұрын
I agree with you it was so painful to watch when one side was trying to base off of facts and one was combative and used cheap tactics like discrediting the other side's sources without any reasonable grounds. Eli's arguments were basically, let people watch, I don't have to say, it is so obvious what I stand is the truth. So obnoxious and uneducated.
@boorhaave58807 ай бұрын
In this debate, the moderator joins forces with Eli and is then joined by 2 other people from behind the camera, and they still lose to Norman
@huytran21267 ай бұрын
norman clutched up the 4 v 1, ez dub
@PutXi_Whipped7 ай бұрын
TWO other people? Yikes Norman CLEARLY won then
@hanfootball13675 ай бұрын
Thank you, Norman, for bringing up the facts patiently. You are a treasure when it comes to the rights Palestinians and the atrocities of Israel. Truth prevails!! The audiences cannot be fooled by these two comedians.
@ZBspicey6 ай бұрын
Never seen someone so respectfully and intellectually destroy people like Norman. Truly a once in a lifetime scholar
@hyperdog676 ай бұрын
Wait are you saying those people destroyed Norman or am I mistaken?
@ZBspicey6 ай бұрын
@@hyperdog67 you are mistaken
@Mirza_Tanovic7 ай бұрын
Finkelstein is a literal legend, we must protect this man at all costs. Such class even when being insulted, even apologized for raising his voice by like 2%
@HITMAKER-XL4 ай бұрын
Norman is amazing. Bravo.
@royboy45712 ай бұрын
2.20.56. Israel is not attempting to starve the Gazans. Didn't age well. Oh and did the moderator now apologise to Finklestien, now we see Gazan children starving ?
@GoooObama087 ай бұрын
If you're going to debate Norman, you have to come prepared because he is a facts machine.
@PorchMusick7 ай бұрын
not really he dances around everything in complete vagueness
@AbeldeBetancourt7 ай бұрын
A single example will suffice. If you don't have a very concrete example, I will call you an unread idiot from now on. America! 🗽
@stevencoardvenice7 ай бұрын
@@PorchMusicknot at all. He addresses every issue and question with detailed paragraphs, backed by sources
@wg39517 ай бұрын
It’s hard for him to accept the absolute beast he is when it comes to his knowledge on this subject.
@PanTrimtab7 ай бұрын
His aspy Special Interest is injustice and it's presence in the State of Israel.
@acdkey1196 ай бұрын
I love how Eli casually omits the fact that Israel bombed the people who fled south on their way south.
@HardFlip3106 ай бұрын
Cognitive dissonance
@olegnurmagomedov7506 ай бұрын
I am highly disgusted to realize that we have people in the west such as this show's host (Noam?) and Eli who support the genocide that Israel is committing in Gaza. I am beyond embarrassed to say that I once represented the same group as these disgusting human beings. How can you ever justify civilian casualties? What kind of insane moral compass do you have to support such criminal acts? Do these people not realize that their support of Israel enables the state of Israel to further murder women and children in Gaza? I am extremely disappointed with the state of west as of today where we are breathing in the same air space as these murder supporting lunatics. Ah words can't describe my disgust with these crime enablers.
@uchennakpaduwa95926 ай бұрын
That part made me angry too. This feels like an intentional omission because those facts don’t fit his argument
@cati223096 ай бұрын
They can’t openly admit the truth even to themselves how telling
@khaderlander24296 ай бұрын
The Israeli helicopters were shooting everything that moved after the fact, most civilians were killed in the crossfire.
@ammarzak98285 ай бұрын
Thanks Dr. Norman for your patient it was very painful to list to these two i hoped they show some respect to their listener intelligent
@maheralmasri60995 ай бұрын
thank you professor i enjoyed every minute of the show taught me a lot
@lindalindab32847 ай бұрын
I don’t know how dear Norman keeps so rational and clear. He’s amazing. The others here should be ashamed.
@danielleb17436 ай бұрын
I felt genuinely embarrassed for those two, but props to them for allowing the video to go out and their whooping to be our entertainment
@bassiejazz6 ай бұрын
‘Whooping’ ?!? How stupid are you 😂😂 Finkelstein is a self hating charlatan.
@zauya96 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 So true
@Moongod25006 ай бұрын
Ya. All those videos were supposed to help their argument. Lol
@tcgim6 ай бұрын
They don’t care whether they are ones who are wrong, what important is the ratings/traffic.
@elie22226 ай бұрын
I felt embarrassed for Norman
@farhadoveisi22484 ай бұрын
Great job Norman
@promark53174 ай бұрын
This is now a certified hood classic.
@ac_house7 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr Norm Finkelstein for your work. You are a national treasure.