Where Did The Conservative Party Go Wrong? | Peter McCormack x Mark Littlewood

[@buntyhoven9163]

"Where Did The Conservative Party Go Wrong?" It's simple. They stopped being conservative and abandoned conservative policies.

[@ezioauditore3128]

Boom!

[@aaddy5157]

How does one 'be' conservative today?

[@fanfeck2844]

@@aaddy5157I’m not sure you can. A lot of society has gotten used to handouts, and not being encouraged to be conservative, or self sufficient

[@maccagrabme]

And got involved with the organisation beginning W.

[@peterdockerty8077]

They turned into new labour under Cameron

[@simonlinton8123]

The clue is in the name. Conservative, conserve. Reform, reform. I think we need the latter.

[@TheBaalnet]

Mr. Littlewood, your spreadsheet tax idea is pure genius. Tell me who would choose to send foreign aid to countries with their own space programs?

[@kerryhaynes4639]

Trouble is even if conservatives say they changed I would not believe them.

[@liz2111]

Tories are toast. Good-bye!

[@mattdaylewis]

Conservatives are not conservative and labours are not labour. They are the uniparty. Reform is far from ideal but they speak to all people that have enough of this type of politics

[@TheMushybees]

9:00 this guy is almost entirely correct. my own prediction is the arrangement, in the end, between Reform and the Conservatives, is that Reform will end up with all of the Conservatives' voters, and in return the Conservatives will cease to exist. they dug their own grave by going along will all this shit and not reversing any of it though they had plenty of opportunity.

[@BackToSchool-e6e]

Will never vote for the conservative show again Even if they talk tough not one authoritarian policy will they reverse Not any of the hate speech laws Not any of them

[@deborahcoveney8846]

We need to get rid of the quangos and OBR.

[@jeffsmith3392]

Removing Johnson and ending levelling up finish the Conservatives. Reform picked up that baton.

[@janoconnor2706]

Mark Littlewood just seems very old fashioned to me. I feel he is going to be very disappointed with the Conservative's insistence on staying with the same playbook as they have done for the past 20 years. The fact he can't see that outcome is a dead cert is interesting.

[@m4ckle]

Postwar Germany managed to be both economically successful and have a higher standard of living by implementing the sorts of policies that right-learning politicians and economists strongly warn against. How did they achieve the apparent impossible? The only politician that I have seen asked this was Daniel Hannan, and he refused to properly answer instead saying something about it being a special case and so nothing to learn from it but instead think of how much better the GDP would be if they’d had a Thatcher instead of a Wily Brandt…

[@MaryAnneArkwright]

We need to undo the damage Tony Blair did to the constitution. Restore legislating to Parliament and get rid of the Supreme Court. Start teaching our constitution in schools (by conservatives, not socialists) so that people understand their own government and can't have the wool pulled over their eyes again.

[@Matick-]

This show is fastly becoming my favourite social, political podcast. What a breath of fresh air.

[@tonycouling2455]

Two things. Re MPs not being frank and honest, Steve Baker was mentioned. I watched that interview twice. Whilst he was an ERG Brexit toting back bencher, I followed him with interest. As soon as he got a ministerial postion, he immediately towed the party line and was completely at odds with his earlier views. So, maybe political parties are no different to the mega-corporate football teams. Once you are on the inside, you do as you are told and not as your conscience or ideals tell you? Secondly, it was Baker who said that if we wanted better quality MPs, we needed to join the Tory party, go to the local selection meetings and voice our dissatisfaction with candidtaes we didnt approve of or who lacked experience or competence. Thats all ok but I dont want to be a party member and in any case, we know central office has been parachuting their favourites into some constituencies. So, little or no hope for the ordinary bloke to influence this process at all. The entire system is a crock of s__t. Incidentally, as a businessman with a 55 year career in manufacturing & exporting, I have never not voted at an election. However, I have spent my life voting tactically according to the prevailing local and national situation. I have never been able to say that I truly 'supported' any of them or thought that any one of them was any good. I wish Mr Littlwood every success but he needs to include destroying the infamous 1922 committee and all the 'old remoaners' in the background - the so-called Tory Grandees. In my view, Badenoch is nothing but a continuity leader - like Haigh - she lacks the authority, punch and credibility to wreak the kind of changes he seeks - and I see no one with the 'right stuff' lurking in the background. If she was up to the task, she would have come out fighting from day one.

[@wellyman2008]

Did Thatcher?

[@NTL578]

Totally agree.

[@deanbrooke7103]

You've got an ex-Lib dem, and ex-member of the "Pro-Euro Conservative Party" (yes really, that existed, Google it) trying to play at being super-right-wing and a Tory-hardcore and tell the Tory party where they need to be? Fuck me it doesn't get funnier than this.

[@tomburroughes9834]

Life is a journey.

[@SteviePeters-x3u]

That might be true but he has changed his mind

[@fanfeck2844]

People change. I have as I don’t like this rapid change to the country, others obviously disagree

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

100%. You nailed it there. The sad thing is, that a lot of people still can't see that.

[@deanbrooke7103]

@@SteviePeters-x3u minds change, characters don't. And minds may change, but trying to whitewash the past or pretend that he already knew the truth of things is the mark of a dishonest man.

[@Jimmy-ew2xe]

Our Magna Carta is perfect apart from it needs codifying like the US Constitution, which is a direct copy. Under the Magna Carta our government is no more than an admin team that can be hired or fired depending on effectiveness.

[@GeraldStow]

Brilliant interview… Mark is great and Thinking Miles ahead !

[@sye601]

Just think of all those dependants of immigrants (grand parents) who now get the state pension or some other named workaround.

[@turquoiseowl]

like a dinosaur sniffing at the bright asteroid in the sky

[@mawin5899]

It's not really clear what the relevance is of banging on about renting stuff instead of owning it but it's a mad way of looking at things. If you wanted to have rental lawn mowers it would be like the tool hire companies we already have. The price is far higher for a rental mower than it is to simply own one. This is because the process of acquiring the mower and then maintaining it has to be paid for. i.e. you have to pay the salaries of the people managing the asset which makes it more expensive in the end.

[@andrewfish3778]

Additionally, if fewer people buy lawnmowers, then the market for lawnmowers will decline, some manufacturers will go bust, competition will thus fall and the price of lawnmowers will go up. It would be fine if lawnmowers lasted forever, but they don't.

[@scottbuckingham5626]

I am voting reform because you fail me It's that simple Kemi is a liberal so I won't vote for her

[@leightontaylor4711]

The grass roots are very much ahead of the curve and have been for years. They are also aware of the containment strategies, so they aren't willing to be fobbed off anymore. If Reform don't produce, like a hot potato, they too will be dropped. Enough is enough.

[@Boro-Lineman]

4 years is no time at all. You can't spend 2 years thinking about it. You need to own decide and do. So that on day one of the parliament, it's happening. Look at trump's policy, decided people in place and at the blocks waiting for the starting gun.

[@kristopheradams782]

I get the impression this guy is either oblivious and genuine or he gets it and just doesn’t care. Shame

[@deborahcoveney8846]

We need to get rid of most of the business regulations ECHR and the equality act

[@evenAndre]

How cute. He thinks you could ever trust the Tories again.

[@skylark_yt]

Sharing stuff sounds great until you get a lawn mower that 100 other people have abused.

[@rickybushy]

The Conservatives are finished.

[@mikedudley4062]

If you were in some of our Reform branch meeting, or our public meetings you'd see the tsunami coming, we're picking up voters daily, even in our new branches being organised today..... Reform is the future, it self employed and business owners running the new branches. A business owner, running a £2-3m company walked in was desperate to help, even if it ment stuffing leaflets through doors

[@DanButcherMK90]

Interesting conversation, good to see good debate and discussion in the comments. Reform have the momentum for now, really interested to see how they develop and professionalise. I think as Peter says - we are underestimating the Labour vote coming across to Reform as well. Next election will be a big one thats for sure, Podcasts will become like in the US a large part of the political currency & discussion this time around as well.

[@IanParker]

A brilliant episode... thanks Pete & Mark. Like many on here, I voted Reform as the Conservatives, were/are simply not conservative. Will this lead to a total split of the right vote, with Reform being proper Conservative and the Tories, being centre right/centre? Socialism for another 10 years?? Frightening..

[@peterdockerty8077]

PopCon people need to move to Reform as some very good MPs and former MPs were sound. It would assist the Reform top team on policy, plus give the PopCon politicians a new home. Mark has always been sound. A bonfire of EU laws, every quango, overseas aid, climate change and net zero and a massive reform of the civil service, climate change act, all the laws Blair brought in regarding human rights and the ECHR

[@crazykiddeath]

NHS: The first thing that needs to happen is that there should be a separate tax for the NHS that covers it's entire cost that everyone pays. That way people will know exactly how much it is costing them, maybe then people will be more willing to look at reforming the entire thing.

[@alexpheasants]

Mark, your overall idea is to stick with the Tories and get them to change to be more like Reform. Firstly I don't agree with you on Badenock, I don't think she does fully get it and I don't think she will do or say anything radical enough at all. Secondly though even if she was the right person, what is your answer to the fact that at least half the Tory party mp's are Lib Dems and will vote down anything right wing Conservative? How will you get them to either change their minds or leave the party???

[@MarkRE333]

Kemi was very effective as an intellectual minister, and I wanted her to succeed as leader, but she must be crystal clear on the policies with action points. In addition, she was great in parliament torturing Labour MPs but now with the restrictions of keeping all her own MPs on side, she is tip towing and no one wants to bathe in tepid water.

[@alexkimmerly9490]

It was great that Mark was talking about how Cardano structured their tokenomics budget, and Peter interrupts his train of thought to talk his bitcoin book. Maxi's can be so blind.

[@swan1471]

The view count Peter gets on his videos provides a small glimpse on everything wrong with this country. We really are a nation of the uninformed and the docile. Peter is right, the majority (which I suspect is 80+ % of the British population) don't understand basic economics nor the different forms of politics and governance hence why socialism is so easily propagandised to us. "We love us free handout". Peters, highest viewed videos feature US guests like Whitney Webb or Michael Saylor and if we're being honest 95% of the audience are probably Americans. How much has the UK evolved from the era of feudalism? At our current trajectory, big government will be our new kings and we'll all be paying rent, but at least a new season of Love Island is on and cor can't miss the Premier League.

[@izdatsumcp]

I was just thinking along those lines. Why does the right wing work in America? It's because the 'working class' are basically capitalist. It's easy to have a coalition of small government types and anti-immigration types. In the UK, though, it seems as if the working class are anti-capitalist. Therefore the centre right are suspicious of them and the right doesn't work.

[@davidnorton7437]

Easy, reject Christianity, reject all the values this country was built on.

[@mikefish8226]

"What is the Bulgarian state pension", funny you should ask, it's about 50% more than the British state pension. Attacks on the UK state pension are a red herring, it's comparatively very low, even if the triple lock was kept until 2070, the expect % of GDP spent on it would be 1/3 less than the French spent today as a fraction of GDP. If we are going to have discussions about the size of the state, let's go after sensible targets as the state pension isn't one, unless you reduce taxes to around 15% to free you cash that then goes into a compulsory scheme. Even then you'd still need to look after people that don't/won't save and the associated moral hazard.

[@vatsmith8759]

At last, someone saying that the Conservatives and Reform will need to do some sort of deal before the next election. Like it or not, a split right will always lose to a united left. (Although it is arguable whether the old division between right and left is still valid).

[@alisonbrown1841]

14yrs tory happy with labour policies

[@Skimatik_DnB]

I may not agree with all he says and I may not trust him yet but he seems to want to re structure government .... for that I'm glad I gave this some of my time ✌

[@paulmetcalfe4054]

This guy is a joke. Own nothing and be happy! Scenario: guy rents a house, rents his car, his wheelbarrow (lol). What happens if he loses his job and has no income? How can he rent? You've already said you disagree with UBI so your argument is a foolish one and not thought through. The guy next door bought his house on car so if he loses his job he has assets and less liabilities. I was also shocked with his lack of knowledge of digital assets. I don't think there was much thinking going on at that think-tank he worked at. He's certainly not a populist Conservative in my eyes.

[@barryplummer4695]

PMI at only £250 per month…on top of income tax and NI contributions. So cheap.

[@Dave-Red]

How can Reform have a naive budgetary policy when the podcast is stating that these things are run by Quango's, in this case the OBR?

[@colonelflashman972]

I helped the Torys up north to elect a candidate, as I was educated that it was the gays that saved them in 1997 if you reed between the line hence the demise of Torys and the liberals of central office.

[@AdamMitula]

The guy is seeing Peter and didnt take 2 minutes to learn about Bitcoin. It is a shame.

[@Avidcomp]

Why don't you have Jason Cozens on, founder of Glint?

[@cassiopeia21]

Is there a free way to buy bitcoin? It's a hard sell to me that I lose whatever the % is each time I buy.

[@Dacijo]

Dear god man clear your throat

[@simonf7367]

What happened with Peter and the “what bitcoin did” podcast? Did they have a bust up?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Capitalism doesn't conserve ANYTHING.

[@nasher6949]

Capitalism is like a tool-it can conserve when there’s an incentive, like profits from renewable energy or sustainable products. But without rules, it can also overexploit resources, like overfishing or deforestation. Your comment is an oversimplification. While capitalism has flaws and can lead to overexploitation, it also has mechanisms that can encourage conservation, depending on incentives and regulations. The reality is more complex than "it doesn't conserve anything."

[@jsg9575]

Too much UK based content, too much Peter repeating the same personal points to his guests, it's a becoming a bit of a bubble. I appreciate the base of operations are here in the UK but needs to seek out guests from all over the world and fly them out or check when they're in town for balance

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Can you name some?

[@PeterMcCormackShow]

I can only get the people on who say yes and are in the UK. I won't do remote interviews as I can't stand them...so the journey is this...firstly build up a UK base of relevant content, dropping in Bitcoin orange pilling moments when relevant, once the channel and audience is sufficient I will have the credibility and clout to go bigger and wider. We are only 30 shows in, this takes time.

[@MegaRugster]

Mr Obnoxious, aptly named.. rich people discussing how obscenely they should treat poor people. This is what is wrong with our country. Imagine going to a job interview and they offer you £2 an hour to work there.. because some immigrant will work for that or less..and then you're told by the dwp that if you don't accept the rate, you lose all your dole money.

[@PeterMcCormackShow]

I'm not discussing how to treat poor people, I just want to be left the fuck alone as much as possible.

[@MegaRugster]

@@PeterMcCormackShow Then leave our society and go make your own.

[@PeterMcCormackShow]

That is not a very good answer, if I leave the UK this would be a financial net negative for the economy as I contribute far more than I take out with taxes, not using public services and creating jobs. I am all for helping others, I am not for wasting money on big inefficient government.

[@MegaRugster]

@@PeterMcCormackShow Good for you, I fought for my country, was injured for nearly 30 years due to my service, have lived in near squalor for 25 more and you're suggesting the poor should be forced to work for nothing. If anything there should be a maxium national wage make it illegal for you lot to cream off the hard work of everyone else. But you gave yourself the right name, I suspect you already know the truth of what you are already.

[@izdatsumcp]

@@MegaRugster You want rich people to leave you alone but then you also want rich people to give you more stuff, makes sense.

[@mindfulmw]

Reform?

[@norabrady9066]

Until Badenoch and the Conliberal party are prepared to leave the ECHR you can forget ever getting back into power.

[@BackToSchool-e6e]

Will never vote for the conservative show again Even if they talk tough not one authoritarian policy will they reverse Not any of the hate speech laws Not any of them