Where have all the take-down AR15’s gone?

[@texasranger24]

Too much cost, too little size reward when you can already easily separate upper and lower, takes too long to assemble for actual backpack carry, probably too bad accuracy and return to zero.

[@justarandom5280]

100% correct

[@jordano3088]

He said we would talk about it in a future video. You wait >:(

[@Bestgameplayer10]

@@jordano3088 LMAO

[@letstalkcaliber704]

Yeah they're basically pointless.

[@Taprack13]

You just ruined it 😃

[@damiangrouse4564]

ARs have always been take down. While neat, all those systems are redundant. Pop two pins done.

[@Meeko1010100112]

Thats the big one. Unless its also taking the handguard off like the Air Force's Survival Rifle, its not worth the extra money for a few inches saved in weight. A folding stock adapter is worth way more in actual compactness, in an AR platform.

[@royrogers3624]

Not redundant in the slightest this cuts the length down several inches because taking it apart sticks the barrel with the upper a proper takedown supersets the barrel to itself

[@user-nb8yt2il2r]

@@royrogers3624 i mean, why even have a takedown rifle if the shortest you can get it is still longer than an assembled ar pistol? The rise of ar pistols is exactly why takedowns stopped being a thing.

[@royrogers3624]

@@user-nb8yt2il2r why have an 18 inch barrel 308 that breaks down the a total of about 20 inches long for storage and transport over a 5 inch barrel 308 pistol? Gee I wonder what could be the reason

[@damiangrouse4564]

@will b take down means whatever anyone thinks it means for their situation. For me, two pins no extra expense. Period

[@The_bigbo55]

Where have all the Dragunovs gone? 🤔

[@MrCashewkitty]

Hahaha

[@clydegrey5061]

Too expensive to make a milled receiver in a market like this

[@The_bigbo55]

@@clydegrey5061 or perhaps MAC fucked the market. Look it up.

[@YON_RO]

Import ban. Thanks Obama

[@nfaisnfgay]

Blatantly stole my comment, okay lol

[@mattmansarizona8868]

Shorter barrels on pistols, and folding braces have made them relatively obsolete.

[@BrassBashers]

yep

[@MinuteBracelet]

Folders cant adequately compact the gun enough for most stowage applications

[@mattmansarizona8868]

@@MinuteBracelet hence why I said "relatively obsolete." There's still a niche for em. A small one, but a niche none the less.

[@royrogers3624]

Said like a true idiot Folding stock adapters and shorter barrels aren't a replacement for the ability to carry a 20 inch long barreled rifle in a back pack that isn't much larger than your kids school bag Plus with a take down set up in a small package like you mentioned you can Fit that same "pistol" in something the size of a lunch box as opposed to still needing a back pack I don't get the "just as good" stupidity when it comes to take downs like yes you can shorten the over all length of a weapon instead of getting a takedown set up then you can have non ofbthe benefits of the takedown Like having the full length weapon you can't normally conceal in the same package as the shorter one you compromised on power with so you could conceal it

[@user-nb8yt2il2r]

@@MinuteBracelet folding stocks are kinda pointless on ar 15s. First off, its not saving you any length. Its just about the same amount of work to simply pop the upper on and off and that saves you more length over all. Secondly, it adds another failure point to the rifle, which should be the last thing you add to a survival rifle, third, it might save you 10 inches in length, (assuming you left the upper on) but you are adding width. Youd be better off with an ar pistol or simply a rifle with an actual folding stock, like an akms or g3 or scar.

[@DeanMk1]

Browning still makes the SA22 which has always been a take down rifle, since 1914. They also do a take down version of the BLR.

[@CasitaAdventurer]

A supremely elegant John Browning design. The first production .22 auto.

[@DeanMk1]

@@CasitaAdventurer I agree, but I didn't know it was the first .22 auto. That's cool!

[@zaytv125]

I’ve always wanted to sit down with you and just talk firearms and just life in general seems like a good man to me

[@dogbutter99]

it went to the same place where all those 80's cheezy 'assasin' movies wh oused .22lr takendown rifles.

[@sulkingsalamander6181]

I'm glad people haven't forgotten were the svd's went

[@AlphaChimpEnergy]

It’s only application is for the tray in the bottom of a pilot’s ejection seats. I’m guessing that you could just take a rack grade M4, take the lower and upper apart and it would probably fit. Especially if it had a 10.5in barrel.

[@Kross8761]

The MCX and other similar firearms killed the "takedown" market. The closest thing to that now is the AR that has both a folding barrel and buffer tube. The MCX 11.5 can get stupid small and is even pretty slim with the skeletonized folding stock option, add a QD suppressor like a Sandman S with a keymo mount flash hider and you can go from inside a backpack to ready to fire in about 10 seconds.

[@haveyounoticedtheshieldsar3467]

Probably +$1300 and probably not California legal.

[@keithmccartney8970]

@@haveyounoticedtheshieldsar3467 I'm not one to care about CA compliant. You can get a kit to turn your ar to fold for a couple hundred bucks. My FOLD are was less than a grand last year

[@MoonAuto743]

a quick release barrel (like Dolos) with folding stock makes an AR pretty compact.

[@frivolousd8046]

That ejection pattern. Lol

[@duaneshadd777]

Yeah something's wrong now

[@biggeorge2964]

Overgassed bad

[@NiMi93]

The way forward is instead ARs with folding stocks where the recoil assembly is built into the upper

[@NiMi93]

@Pedo-lizard Destroyer Faxon's ARAK-21 too, and some AR9s like the MDP-9 coming out this fall. To me, the AR platform is defined by its upper/lower configuration

[@Enjoyer.762]

@@NiMi93 The ARAK was turd. Unreliable. Too many gas setting adjustments.

[@NiMi93]

@@Enjoyer.762 Thank you for your comment.

[@WCGwkf]

Because of stupid designs like this ruger that just the barrel comes out and the rail stays. The AR15 is already a takedown rifle. The upper separates from the lower with 2 pins. Solving a problem that doesn't exist.

[@crimpers5543]

No, the takedown system breaks the rifle at the 16" length, which makes it easy to fit into a standard backpack. Detaching the receiver leaves a 23" segment that doesn't fit conveniently.

[@BoomMC_Inc]

After my barrel walked off while shooting the Dolos I had no more interest in them.

[@nfaisnfgay]

What about all those SVD’s you scalped? Where’d they go? Glad to see others haven’t forgotten

[@Slay_No_More]

Good question, I'm sure it went right into his bank.

[@Sturmbannführer88]

TIM IS A HE-HE GUY

[@Makingnewnamesisdumb]

SVDs are take down rifles. He took a lot of them down.

[@Mbyers1984]

What’s this about?

[@aniquinstark4347]

@@Mbyers1984 A couple years ago a bunch of guys on a gun forum put together a bulk order for SVD's. MAC somehow made a deal with the importer to buy them himself and then sold them at an inflated price through his own gun store. Super obnoxious and hypocritical since he rants against scalpers and resellers.

[@robertcaseydavis]

Great short, Mac. Keep 'em coming.

[@walkingcontradiction223]

My brother has the Ruger SR556/762 take down, it's actually in my experience an outstanding tool. It was expensive though, but it still places them where you want them.

[@michaelcarrier103]

Love his style ... Seems like the shows I grew up with.

[@Noobish_Camper55]

Taking the barrel out of the shroud instead of pinning it seems like it would knock the scope out of alignment each time it is re assembled.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

The SR556 Takedown was excellent, but other styles and component implementations ran them out of the market. The OG SR556 and SR762 rifles were/ are amazing, great Piston gun for what the price was compared to others.

[@bobhill3941]

I look forward to that video and history. That Armilite you have is really cool. Browning makes an all weather (stainless barrel and action, furniture in marine-grade coating) BLR takedown in .30-06, go anywhere, hunt anything.

[@rizaradri316]

I think it's redundant for most people. You can easily separate the upper and lower receiver and put it in a gun bag. But for very specific purpose like USAF folding AR-15 for pilots it makes complete sense.

[@ParrotTactical]

It’s just not a feature I need badly enough to buy this over something else. That capability won’t be free in the price, and you have to worry about if it holds accuracy, gets oil in your bag, dries out, etc. Its not a horrible idea, I just can’t see the market for it being large enough to make it competitive.

[@keithmccartney8970]

I keep mine isolated in its own bag inside of my bug out bag. As far as accuracy...that's partially true...no problems at 0 though. And perceived targets are well with range. Long term as a survival tool yourd leave it opened up and sight it in at distance

[@Blap552]

I have a Ruger,the barrel doesn't come out of rail-section but I love it,just wish I didn't have to drive for an hour or 2 or pay for range time but still love it!

[@alexanderbrown2717]

It’s because now is not the season to be breaking our guns apart. It’s time that they are ready to go.

[@croman191]

Stay strapped

[@michaelsmith4325]

Damn the truth hurts

[@amg5656]

🙄

[@fattymatty823]

Aim small, miss small or just pray and spray!

[@mexicanwhitedevil386]

I've got an MGI quick change barrel upper I bought years ago . I like it you can just change the barrel to what ever length you want and bolt if needed to any AR platform caliber you want. It comes in handy when your going hunting for different size game animals and only want to take one rifle but don't want to be limited to only one caliber . I take it on my texas hunts all the time and use a 5 56 barrel for hogs and then use a 300 blackout or 6.8 spc barrel for deer and exotics.

[@TheDandyMann]

My favorite was the dolos system, too bad they went out of business

[@sofloflow]

Because it was garbage, I had one & it would loosen / loose zero. I switched to a Cry Havoc QRB, double the cost but its actually used by the military & has given me 0 issues. Check my videos for a demonstration of it.

[@TheDandyMann]

@@sofloflow did you have the first gen or 2nd gen system?

[@Fee.1]

Great thanks for letting me know you’re going to make a worthwhile video at some point in the future, guy who I’ve never seen. I’m sure I might come across it in a few years

[@justanothergunguy7146]

Keep your camera man behind your fire line. This is how accidents happen.

[@positivelynegative9149]

Carelessness.

[@chipanderson2135]

Just what I was thinking as soon as the cameraman stood back. Much better to use a tripod.

[@TheDingpud]

Where had all three common sense gone?

[@fosatech]

If you accidentally shoot someone just because they're in front of your muzzle line you shouldn't be handling a firearm

[@justanothergunguy7146]

@@fosatech self defense situations aside, if you shoot *at all* with someone in front of your muzzle, you shouldn’t be handling firearms whether you accidentally hit them or not. This is basic firearm safety, and skill is not an excuse to skip safety.

[@armstrong2052]

Yep it's just been so many that didn't have enough practical applications.

[@groberts1980]

I liked the idea of the Saint Evac. Basically a commercial version of what the military is putting in pilot ejection seats. Pricing is high though and it's cheaper to build your own. I haven't built one yet but would like to.

[@eribertoacedo9505]

I like the 22 breakdown the barrel fits in the butt stock and floats. Single shot nice to fit in your backpack when you’re out camping or just going out for walks in the woods but you always have protection with you!

[@charleswas0419]

Nice Rifle! Looks Good, Shoots Good, looks clean.

[@XSTREAMLINEX1]

That was sweat and awesome dude… super well done.

[@kyleduddleston4123]

Off topic, but thought it was cool. My buddy just showed me two Zastava's he picked up from Copper Custom recently. We live in Kokomo, so it's not too far from us. He said your shop was the only one to have any in stock in our area. I have wanted to make a trip up there to look and possibly buy something nice, but have had a lot going on recently in my life. First baby, Chrysler screwing me around as a "temporary employee" for over 4 years and now about to start working for Haynes International. Maybe sometime soon I can make it up there and check it out.

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

Just pop two pins and it breaks down already anyway.

[@paco100x]

Agreed. AR15s are already technically takedown rifles.

[@georgewhitworth9742]

Not anywhere near as nice as a true QRB system

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

@@georgewhitworth9742 I don’t see how that’s the case. Separating the upper and lower is so easy a child could do it, and it cuts the length of the package down by at least half.

[@user-nb8yt2il2r]

@@georgewhitworth9742 it might not feel or look as nice, but its actually better for saving length, a folded stock saves what, maybe 10 inches? Pop the reciever off and you save 11 or so, for free, with one less failure point. And you dont have to worry about fucking your gun up by firing it with it slightly out of lock

[@keithmccartney8970]

@@idontwanttoputmyname403 I don't think you can reassemble in 10 seconds under pressure especially...not hating, but I doubt the veracity of anyone claiming...maybe if your weapon spec military trained

[@mme856]

I'm glad you're had it with yourself

[@shirokuma2000]

Imagine your building your ar as someone is in your house robbing it “give me like two minutes im almost done mr robber”

[@BadHeff]

Ohh Mericha is soo blessed to have soo many guns...

[@Janko630]

Where have all the Hungarian PSL54s gone?

[@blakevangundy9562]

the adapter piece, which is needed for both barrels cost as much as a new upper so ppl just get a whole new upper and dont worry about it...

[@JohnCoffins]

I have a Springfield Saint (not the edge) and I love that gun. I've never had 1 problem with it. I even bump fired over 300 rounds on my friends property without 1 jam. That's the only AR I've ever had but it's perfect. Highly recommend.

[@unkulwilly]

I'd say it's because of the popularity of AR pistols which are (for now) legally able to use a brace. combined with a folding buffer tube system they become more compact yet quicker to deploy than the takedown AR's.

[@majorpwner241]

I agree with the general consensus. That kind of looks like a piece of junk with too many loose pieces to be dealing with on the go when I can just use the takedown pins on my AR pistol and easily bag it, not that I really need to as it's already ridiculously compact and easy to carry.

[@corvoattano4777]

Ar15s are already take down rifles if you get a folding stock adapter and seperate the upoer and lower

[@corvoattano4777]

@Pedo-lizard Destroyer didn't know that ✌️

[@EF-by1kp]

Ants in thier house: "AYYYOOO WHERE THIS BULLETS CAME FROM? HONEY CALL THE GUARD WE GOT SOMETHING TO SATTLE WITH"

[@shawnwillis7561]

I have an mcx that came with 3 barrel lengths. A 16" 556, 16" 300blk and a 9" 300blk. I've had it for 4 years and never switched out from the 16" 300blk until I was able to pin and weld a suppressor to the 9" 300blk. I think it's something that sounds great on paper, but no one wants to keep switching out barrels and having to rezero their optics. It's something you do once or twice and then you just find something else to fill the 2nd role your trying to make the gun play.

[@gabbz4540]

Those sounds gives me chills

[@guntotingnerd8830]

Honestly a company came out with something like this on the Ruger for a LSW making quick battle changes possible I think it would sell pretty well.

[@chrisjones6002]

Not exactly a take down rifle but so far I'm pretty impressed with my Sub2000. I wish they still made the all metal Sub9 too.

[@benfuct5880]

With popular ar 180 design like the brn-180 and the fm-15; a cheap foldable stock nets the same benefit. Or a steyr AUG or other bull pup design can offer similar advantages. Not to mention the huge growth in the smaller pcc market, like the sp9a3s, scorpion, etc offer smaller backpack sized guns that are less expensive than take down AR’s, just as easy and cheaper to shoot, without worry of over penetration.

[@firemanjack6487]

Everyone keeps saying “just pop two pins and boom it’s a takedown.” But that’s not really true because the length of an AR is in the barrel, not the receiver. I will concede that the idea is a novelty for most, and the extra cost not really worth it. But stowing an AR in a confined space like a backpack isn’t easy without a true takedown type.

[@Xpnential999999]

As 10.5”-12.5” become more popular, there’s less need for a takedown upper. You can save weight and money by using a short barrel, a folding buffer or BRN/other internal buffer and folding pistol brace, and a pair of extended takedown pins, and it will be just as fast or faster than any removable barrel system.

[@mr.lovell3645]

The caliber change would have been nice but Ruger never sold the kits to do it...or they only manufactured a small amount and never marketed it. I own a Ruger SR556, Rugers first AR15 and external piston system. Mine had some carrier tilt but a PWS buffer tube with heavier buffer solved the issue

[@Kahaka99]

I had a DOLOs system. Could never get it to properly line up. Even had a armorer buddy take a look at it. The idea is sound as a good concealed AR.

[@luckeypolishing]

Lol nice display. Now we have the law tactical folder taking over , and folding ARs. Occupies the same space but it’s still attached for faster engagement, would be my guess.

[@BlackrockLobbyist]

Because it's a very niche thing that very few people need

[@soup31314]

Mgi hydra, Windham armory mcr (which they are looking for someone to build them). I love the idea of a quick change barrel system

[@michaelmortag3536]

Check out the empties "falling" from the ejection port. Kinda like beer cans being lazily tossed from a car window. 😂

[@Speegs23]

The saint edge wasn't a take down rifle, the saint edge evac pistol was though.

[@toddmcgahee7885]

I have a Saint edge pistol and thought I was going crazy when he classified it as a takedown. 🤦‍♂️

[@jeffcon123]

That 3 pc folding ar15 is dope tho… not that I need to hide something like that

[@chucksanders9875]

It's hard to keep the head spacing on these break down, it's a good concept but parts get loose and it's the head space that suffer

[@wilemelliott]

part of the problem is HOW they take down. If the handguard doesn't go with the barrel, there really is no benifit [Removable barrel means the longest part is your barrel, which will be shorter than barrel and upper receiver]. In addition, removable barrel means that your bolt and carrier are positively contained in the receiver instead of needing some other mechanism to keep them in place as in a separated upper [bump the charging handle and everything falls out].

[@Will_b83]

I have the full size Saint and the pistol…I had the chance to by the edge…it was amazing how little it weighed…I’d say pretty damn close to the pistol.

[@sneezingidiot301]

How did it not get popular it Lego and a gun that is one of the best combinations I can think of

[@davewebster5120]

Tim, my dood, i bought a dolos from copper custom a few years ago and it's great. Did y'all stop carrying them?

[@mr.robinson1982]

Make sure to "POLICE YOUR BRASS" reloading is cheaper in the long run.

[@royrogers3624]

What's your hook up on primers?

[@IamONaLIST]

Because I can build a rifle with an OAL of 16.5 inches and weighs 3lbs. With a skeletonized brace extension it's 3.75lbs, with the folding mechanism being the heaviest part.

[@Jon-lo5de]

I got one when they first got introduced in the market I didn’t know there was a different kind.

[@zokushatech]

I really like my 10/22 takedown its awesome and fits in my backpack

[@GunBigotHater]

Speaking of takedown guns, I’ve always wondered why no one has ever made an AR seven, and any other caliber of a 22 long rifle. A long time ago, I saw a James Bond movie, we had one in like 32, or 9 mm. With the advent of the 30 super carry, I would be interested to see what a AR seven in 30 super carry would look like.

[@Dystractible]

Thought this dude was MrBeast in his late 40s

[@AFreeThinkingDawg09]

LAW folder basically made them obsolete and did the same thing in regards to making it smaller for storage. But when you need it you don’t have to assemble the damn thing

[@MrJbrew69]

That was the best rifle ruger made, short stroke piston system. SR-556. But yes I’m not a fan of the take down feature but I’d take one

[@gabrielkoerner7045]

Thanks for the brief history and all but it seems like it's just an ad

[@binkleyme]

Pistols braces essentially made them obsolete in my opinion. A takedown rifle will never be a precision rifle, so you're not worried about the accuracy at range, which is the only benefit of a rifle length barrel

[@Magnum_Express]

i really like the concept of take down rifles. im glad rugers hanging in there with the pc9 takedown and even the backpackers model. good bug out rifles.

[@HandGrenadeATmine]

Eventually i want to build a compact takedown AR-15 for hiking. Store it in a hiking backpack while camping.

[@user-nb8yt2il2r]

Just buy an mcx or even an ar pistol. A 7.5 ar pistol is shorter than the reciever and handguard on this rifle and ready to go without assembly. Hell pop the reicever off and its shorter than the barrel on this rifle with fewer failure points. A 7.5 ar pistol is more than capable of killing a man or hunting a deer

[@b85biggidy]

good way to do a "live" functions check 😆

[@Liberty4Ever]

Love my Beretta ARX100, although I posted pictures of it on an Amazon backpack review and now I'm not allowed to upload pictures to Amazon.

[@JayMakepeaceAllan]

I love my Ruger PC breakdown, tho it's a carbine.

[@jeremiahpaul02]

Awesome gun

[@scottedwards3403]

It was mostly a gimmick, and the 10-40% increase in price surely didn’t help

[@mikeblackwood3234]

God bless you sir!!!!! God bless you!!!!

[@uwone7778]

People quit shilling them, so there you go.

[@steveriley1000]

I have one and will never get rid of it. When I can put it in a bag the size of a lunch box and put it together in 30 seconds

[@txtacticalgamer]

That’s pretty cool but looks expensive

[@littleshepherdfarm2128]

I want one in .308 for convenience when going big game hunting. You can take it apart and carry it in your backpack

[@sergin95]

I think the availability and popularity of AR pistols probably played a big part in curbing the demand on taken down Ars

[@azcop2]

They are impractical as defense guns. While on Patrol, I did not have the time to assemble the gun when I needed it in a tactical situation.

[@Militaryarmschannel]

Not everything is a tactical situation though. Backpacking isn't tactical. Storing a gun in a small place in your car/truck isn't necessarily a tactical situation. They're more for practical storage vs. being in a war zone and having your rifle broken down.

[@richard-fish-monger]

Honestly, true takedown rifles are so much more compact then a takedown ar-15. The Ruger .22 take down is one of the best out there imo. They just gotta make one like that in a higher caliber

[@Logan12345]

you'd be better off getting a little 300 blackout in a backpack, or something with a collapsible stock. I say 300 blackout because if you wanted to go out and hot something at range it's not impossible, it's not a pcc so you still have damage output of a rifle cartridge and finally putting a can on a 300 blackout is magic

[@sinclairpages]

I have an original Ruger take down. It totally sucks. It has slam fired on me several times. With a round in the chamber I have to pound the charging handle back to get it to unload. The head space never lines up correctly. I have tried every thing I can think of to fix it. It is now just a wall hanger dust collector. For an expensive firearm you would think I should not have issues.

[@Sig_P229]

Ruger moved on to the Ruger PC9 which is a take down backpack rifle

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

Helps when you're testing printed parts.

[@markparker7778]

Nice t-shirt...Great company! 🔥

[@mikegraham5875]

I love that rifle that's my first time I've seen that I didn't know they had to take down rifle like that they are

[@u.s.militia7682]

I wish Henry would make a AR15 like their AR7.

[@BigPark51]

Well, I don’t know if he is speaking exclusively about AR’s, but I know for a fact Ruger is producing PC carbine takedowns and 10/22 takedowns.