Where HOI4 Gets the History Wrong - Hearts of Iron IV 2024 Götterdämmerung

[@brucesim2003]

By and large, it is impossible for most countries to keep up with their historical technology progress. When pushed on this, the devs said it was a deliberate choice, forcing the player to make 'interesting choices'. Just so long as your interesting choice wasn't 'keep up with history'. So instead of balancing your research, you are quite litteraly forced to sacrifice an arm of service (often navy), just to keep up with economy, army, and air force. Historicity nas never been this game's forte. As soon as the unpause button is hit, there is no historicity that is not coincidental.

[@Fella12366]

I’m always ahead of research but I never research navy

[@user-bn5df6hl1d]

"Sir, Ive learned how to use rockets!" "Sorry , we only have 5 slots and 4 are used for economy and one for aerial cameras your gonna have to wait "

[@topphatt1312]

Yeah my guess would have been that Germany doesn’t have paratroopers so they can’t cheese the Disjointed-Government trait in an early war with France.

[@Denkr488]

People still did that lol, they just researched it.

[@danielcrud9345]

Players who intend to cheese France will research paratroopers first thing

[@tacitplague7079]

They should just change it so paratroopers don't count towards capitulation while they are encircled

[@danielcrud9345]

@@tacitplague7079 Which would essentially defeat the purpose of using paratroopers

[@tacitplague7079]

@danielcrud9345 to cheese yes, but you could still use them to land in Britain or take islands or cut supply lines. It'd be a tactical choice not a cheesy meme strategy

[@Phantlos]

Look at France for example. They don't even have 1936 fighters researched but for some reason Poland and Yugoslavia (and others I belive) have them. HOW? They don't even have the industry to produce them

[@VarenvelDarakus]

its even funnier , Poland had best trained pilots on world , no aces , all their airwings start as recruits , no focuses of airforce reflect this big historical thing.

[@yunongli2872]

Any timing problems can be explained by the fact that almost all focus are 35 or 70 days, and the ones that aren’t are still multiples of 7. Also focus bypassing can skip the timeline forward

[@TheIziPizi]

Old World Blues mod has focuses that are 10 days, 5 days, how about using floating point for weeks?

[@yunongli2872]

@ I’m talking about vanilla

[@onethreeify]

what do you mean by multiples of 7?

[@bartoszmichaek8497]

@@onethreeify 7,14,21,28,35....,70,...140 etc

[@onethreeify]

@@bartoszmichaek8497 im sorry i dont understand. are those numbers special?

[@AlittleRedPepper]

Not gonna lie bro, i love your videos, literally the exact type of Hoi4 vids ive been looking for

[@tomirk4404]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the game considers the B-17 to be a tactical bomber, similarly to how it considers the Crusader to be a medium tank when it was, in fact, light

[@carthagegamingstudios]

You may very well be right. I did not consider that.

[@explodethebomb]

The crusader tank was a cruiser tank, and was a lot more similar to a medium tank than a light tank

[@crazysarge9765]

the crusader is a medium

[@TDenterpriser]

There’s a mod on the workshop that adds historic date requirements to most focuses. It’s not perfect and kinda breaks ai balancing but it’s still neat

[@Vaipts]

what you missed but im happy its in the game since the new dlc, croatia now mostly spawns. was a rare thing before the dlc

[@carthagegamingstudios]

Yes, I have noticed that as well. Honestly, there are so many historical mistakes in the game that it would be incredibly difficult to cover them all in a reasonably-lengthed video.

[@JoboGamezzz]

@@carthagegamingstudiosI usually see Yugoslavia get invaded instead of the coup

[@carthagegamingstudios]

@@JoboGamezzz I mean, historically that's what happened. Price Paul joined the Axis (because what other options did he have) and then he was coup'd and the Germans took this as an act of aggression and then invaded.

[@Custersnightmare]

France still has access to the decision to ban communism, even of they go popular front, so in a way, historicality could still be maintained. My main speculation as to why the focus tree was designed the way it is, is that PDX designed the trees *around* the radical/alt hist paths. Hence why the popular front can't do Laissez-faire, and the right can't reform the labor laws, etc. Japan also wouldn't necessarily go to war with Russia. When Germany signed molotov-ribbentrop, Japan had to swap their war plan from striking the Far East towards moving into the South Pacific because they wanted a quick war. Attacking the colonial states made more sense either way, as Germany had capitulated the overlord states (ie France, Netherlands). And frankly, the Japanese high command was on enough crack to invade anyone by 1941.

[@thejp361]

Planes are fcked anyways since BBA. Some countries have an airforce, but don't even know what an airplane, engine or machine gun is. Its really annoying to researcall of these new techs for these countries and I don't know how Paradox hasn't fixed it yet.

[@carthagegamingstudios]

I don't know enough about the Air Force development of minor powers at the time, but I do know many licensed their designs from major powers at the time. My assumption is that the game (at least theoretically) expects minor players and the AI to request production licenses from majors. Again, I don't know enough about aircraft development at the time to say either way.

[@TheTripleAce3]

​@@carthagegamingstudiosa lot of minor nations bought small production runs of planes from major powers. Chile for example had planes from Italy and Germany.

[@Pasta-mh8wx]

Nice videos. Keep up the good work!

[@Katsura_ja_nai_Zura_da]

It is not historical because soviets don't attack poland at similar time as germans

[@carthagegamingstudios]

This one I think is due to limitations in game mechanics. I'm not sure how they could have both the Germans and Soviets go in on Poland using the guarantee mechanic while ensuring the Allies aren't at war with the Soviets.

[@JoboGamezzz]

@@carthagegamingstudiosin road to 56 they just made it so an event goes out and if on historical the uk decides to abandon Poland and Poland isn’t allowed to call them in

[@blueowln]

​@@JoboGamezzz historically the UK guarantee on Poland was only against Germany

[@fiddler9804]

​@@carthagegamingstudios There used to be a mod that included the soviets declaring war and then signing a white peace with Poland, but it sadly got deleted (Not sure if the author or steam did it). Mod name was *Historical Immersion Overhaul* it was a submod for CSZR's Historical Immersion Event Pack

[@0NG4RN]

A lot of these are acceptable for gameplay reasons but things as fundamental as who annexes what should seriously be resolved. Romania annexing parts of Serbia or making an exclave in Macedonia, or Japan keeping around warlord states but cutting their territory in two, in historical vanilla, really shouldn't happen.

[@idratherhidethat6033]

that's not Lapland but Continuation war

[@carthagegamingstudios]

No, I mean the Lapland from Finland capitulating. In most of my games it happens within a year of Barbarossa. I wasn't meaning to say the Lapland war was happening during that moment.

[@idratherhidethat6033]

@@carthagegamingstudios oh sorry

[@TCHOZ]

Before gotterdemarung they jada paratroopers

[@flameguy3416]

Remilitarising Rhineland is late in HOI4

[@Olipakerranoiva]

I personally have seen Japan attack the Philippines in late 1940...

[@sudnam1142]

Love the vid !

[@TheRealBFKelleher]

Can't France still ban communism through the corresponding political decision that all tags get?

[@szabolcsmate7790]

Ah yes! I just got invaded by the Germans on march 13th 1941 as the Soviets.

[@hondoplays9461]

I thought this was wild but I just got invaded in January of 41. 6 months early!!! Are you kidding me?

[@rocks9303]

Hoi is an arcade game

[@bal_ln]

to be honest, most of the research things are either too fucked behind shitty coding or some other issues so it may just be too "complicated" for our boys at paradox