Where Is Everyone Else?... Sam Harris & Brian Greene

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[@darrengagliardi1540]

What makes so many conclude that other living beings out there should somehow be able to bend and break the laws of physics and travel to us. Given the vastness of space, it is entirely plausible that the following 2 things are both true: 1) there is intelligent life out there, and 2) they are far too distant for us to receive any sign that they exist.

[@brianhannon]

Yeah dude they’re obviously way too far… like ever :/ I think it’s totally possible that there’s no other life. Could be by chance that it just so happens to be no nobody else. But if there are. They’re just so incredibly far and it would be unfathomably impressive for anything to get here.

[@machinarum]

@@brianhannonunless they had a head start of millions and millions of years….

[@starfishsystems]

There might also be a wise sense of caution about advertising oneself as a concentration of resources.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

That's what I think it is. They exist but they're so far away they can't get here. There's no reason to think travelling those enormous distances can be done.

[@stickyrubb]

Like 'Machinarum' said, if there are civilizations out there, they could possibly be millions of years ahead of us in terms of technological advancements. Depending on what is possible in this universe, they might be able to travel so fast that these distances start to matter less and less.

[@MesfrAlasiry]

judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Where Is Everyone Else?

[@chrisohare9314]

Great discussion from back in 2018 of two great minds. Would be great to hear them chat again

[@HansZarkovPhD]

They are out there, just having the same problems with physics we are.

[@lhurst9550]

Nope, there is a timing issue. Either they have come and gone, or have not evolved yet.

[@victorjcano]

IF INTELLIGENT LIFE WAS LOOKING FOR LIFE ON EARTH OUT OF THE 4.5 BILLION YEARS OF EARTH'S HISTORY, INTELLIGENT LIFE WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN DETECTABLE FOR A LITTLE OVER 100 YEARS. THE TIME SPAN WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BROADCAST RASIO WAVES. 100 OUT OF 4.500,000.000

[@PhysicsGuy1000]

@@lhurst9550How do you know? Maybe they live in a planet with higher gravity than Earth so the trouble is being able to actually get off of it?

[@lhurst9550]

@@PhysicsGuy1000 Obviously I don't "know", however this is the simplest explanation that explains the current known facts.

[@JeddieT]

@@lhurst9550…It’s either ‘this or that’ is it? How disturbingly naive. _”The fish is the last to know it lives in water.”_ ~ Ancient Chinese Proverb

[@larryharder4285]

no one replaces Hitchens but Harris comes close.

[@LucaNova101]

200 years ago, flying was impossible; 100 years ago, leaving the planet was impossible, so… it’s a matter of time

[@Robert-yc9ql]

Very enjoyable. Thank you.

[@adamleckius2253]

Beautiful conversation.

[@dwjx71]

Two of my all time favorites!!

[@mrkutty0]

Love how their minds work, especially Sam's ❤

[@convinceme6676]

listening to these two gentlemen makes me feel like I have a 20,000 year cognitive mismatch. But somehow I do love listening to them.

[@christelwilk6166]

To love listings to conversations is more important than understanding them, because you learn because of your interest in it.

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

If there are alien civilizations that are advanced enough for space travel, it's likely that they are simply too far away.

[@machinarum]

Unless their departure flight was millions of years ago.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@machinarum No, because they would not know to travel in this particular direction. If they were millions of light years away, then the scant information that they might have about this sparse edge of the galaxy, as it began to propagate millions of years ago, would barely suggest that life had formed here. Why would anyone come out on such a monumentally doubtful proposition? How long do you suppose these beings live? And what knowledge do you have about exobiological metabolism that justifies such a claim?

[@triple1]

@@starfishsystems You are thinking in terms of how we understand light speed works right now. It's not that plausible that they'd have to travel millions of years to reach us. It's more likely that they'd have found a way to travel faster than the speed of light, by using the properties of spacetime. And maybe they have a way to probe a galaxy without being constrained to speed of light, and that way they could check "present" time. Everything I said just now of course can be true only "if they exist".

[@Jafmanz]

Your talking about time travel​@triple1

[@edblair929]

Or we are not interesting enough?

[@SusanBloodgood-o5s]

Where is everyone ? I’ve never seen anyone from New Guinea , and that’s way closer than other Solar Systems 🤔

[@maddentech]

We have detected an artificial signal from Proxima Centauri already we just dont know what to do with it, it was a narrow band radio signal that the european version of seti at home found in the American version of seti at homes legacy data.

[@TRUECRIMEADDICTTT]

Brilliant!

[@PolyQuasi]

I'm just glad to see Fermi's Paradox debunked for reasons that seemed intuitive to me by people far more astute than me.

[@slangster233]

Out of the darkness.... 24 divided by 1.25 = 19.2, height, upper chamber. 19.2 divided by 1.25 = 15.36 side wall height, middle chamber. 15.36 x 19.2 = 294.912, width squared, both chambers, (17.17300206) The "as built" dimensions of the chambers within the great pyramid are square roots, to eight decimals of accuracy. Encouraged at every turn to "think outside the box", perhaps it's time for a closer look at what got us into boxes in the first place.

[@trentp8035]

That's nice buddy we will put that on the fridge good job.

[@generichuman_]

Ya, that's not how error margins work... unless your starting figures are also to 8 decimal places of accuracy. You're telling me that in old crumbing rock, that they measured a chamber to be 24.00000000 m? That's an accuracy of 10 nanometers... A red blood cell is 6000 nanometers for reference. Get real...

[@slangster233]

It wasn't crumbling rock when it was built. 5000 plus years of slow, intentional destruction, like stripping the casing stones, was the worst of a long line of insults. Despite all the vandalism, even today the master craftsmanship on display inside the chambers is exquisite. To your point, the upper chamber is based on a 1 x 2 rectangle, whose diagonal is the square root of 5. The chamber width is half the length and the height is half the ceiling diagonal. 19.2 ( 2 to the 6th x .3 ), is the height of the chamber. Divided by the square root of 1.25, ( phi - .5 ), equals the width: 17.17300206 "lix". If the width is 1, the other dimension ratios within the chamber are: Side wall diagonal = 5.25 to the power of .5. End wall diagonal = 1.5. Cubic diagonal = 2.5. Length = 2. Ceiling diagonal = 5 to the power of .5. Height = 1.25 to the power of .5. Multiply each by 17.17300206, the width, then square each one. Three of these squared dimensions, the height, length and ceiling diagonal, add up to the base perimeter of the Pyramid: 3022.848 lix. ( 2 to the 13th, x .369) So, yes. It's very "real" *The "lix" unit is not meters, but ever so slightly longer than the English foot, and base 10.

[@karlschmied6218]

One could respond to arguments like those made by Wigner in his article "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" by pointing out that the way our brain understands the world is based on the same basic rules that it can represent. After all, the brain itself follows the "laws of nature." We know that complex and organized systems can arise from very simple rules, which can be described mathematically (a concept known as emergence). So, this isn't unreasonable at all.

[@barryt2666]

ETs exist. Elsewhere. But, especially, in our creative, fervent imaginations!

[@WallySoto-yi8fz]

2 possibilities exist, with a very interesting equal conclusion...either we r alone in the universe or, we r not...both possibilities equally terrifying! (Dark Skies)

[@Jeremy-Ai]

3:08 Ah yes the dogs I have not forgotten about the dogs. They are not mine to control they just hang around, In a wider space? It is not wise to approach without the dogs finding you first. They will heal or bite depending on the demeanour for which they have known to be raised. It is naive to speculate about life that we did not create, its best to focus on the life we have been given. If so or not so, approach and the dogs will sort you out before you arrive.

[@2nostromo]

Narrowband EMR is one consideration. The biosignatures in Earth's atmosphere means we are likely to be cataloged as a living planet in many places in the Milky Way. My view is that we just have not devoted the resources required to detect alien biosignatures/technosignatures but the day will come. My hope is, just as unruly children quickly settle down when the teacher enters the room humanity too will look upon our actions with more introspection and maturity. hope springs eternal I am told :)

[@vicp7124]

8:20 Brian Greene proves how Italian he really is. Note the movement of the hands.

[@alex79suited]

Hidden in plain sight. Peace ✌️ 😎.

[@gerardgauthier4876]

The physicist acts like theorical physics is never wrong with their mathematical journeys.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(　:ﾟ皿ﾟ) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.

[@Titurel]

Dark Forest

[@dannielproulx2333]

Imagine a child being born today then every other human disappears. Being lucky enough not to die from any number of things, what would happen?

[@jamesragsdale8202]

Need to bring AI into the discussion. No use in always thinking about fleshy aliens like ET in a big spaceship like in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

[@ginofactap]

this is 2160p done wrong 😵

[@thesphinxfactor]

Yeah. Two uber pixelated talking blobs would have worked just as well.

[@SteveMG500]

Ludwig Wittgenstein famously argued that if a lion could talk that we wouldn't be able to understand it. That is to say that although we had a shared language the experiences of that lion (and of us) would be impossible for us and the lion to understand. His speech fails to convey meanings to us, at least meaning we understand. Would math, then, be one of those cases where although we have a shared math with aliens their understanding or usage of it is so different that we and they could not understand each other?

[@thomaspeterson8357]

It looks like even our solar system structure might be one in a million/billion. I might be wrong but out of the thousands of other solar systems they've looked at, haven't they all been gas giants orbiting close to the star? I think they found one possible rocky planet close to a goldy locks zone, and it was 4 or more times the Earth's gravity. Like it was bordering on being a small gas giant itself

[@BusterDarcy]

I don’t know what anyone is surprised that math describes reality. That’s been its function since its earliest usage. If I have two apples and I pick two more, I will have four apples. That is just describing reality so there’s no reason to believe that math’s ability to do so would hit some sort of cosmic wall the deeper it delves into the makings of the universe.

[@Henri-y8t]

Look why talking about appels and bring reality , and cosmic what ever that is false informations Philippe 😎

[@Paffi135]

Brian's excess use of the language of hand gesturing 😃

[@jasonantigua6825]

Could be that everything is hiding

[@robertmcclintock8701]

:-( The human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.

[@Paffi135]

AI stopped playing Tetris, put it on pause I think, once it figured out there's no winning. There's no winning in life; suffering (in some form) is guaranteed. To keep this going indefinitely is stupidity more than anything.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

I think any organism that became highly developed would ultimately want to microscale, as being macroscopic ultimately puts you at greater risk of extinction. Using quantum computing or something approximate to keep their intelligence or "identity" while ultimately inhabiting the world at the scale of microbes. Microbes live in an infinitely larger state of existence to macroscopic organisms such as us, the surface area of a tree is the size of an entire continent to fungal mycelium. This is my hypothesis to answer the Fermi Paradox, it would explain why we don't see macro scale activity out in the wider universe and fits in line with our limitations on testing.

[@TheDaddyBonglegs]

Fascinating idea

[@nopriors]

Dogs have clearly moved on past the simplicity of relativity.

[@d-darkness-within]

First!

[@Henri-y8t]

Hi, hope your confident about Me and My words because all of you alive in arrond 2026 will, I hope the fact I want to get involve physicaly to finalise,modified technology and get done new stuff that I will bring Philippe 😎

[@knowme4iam326]

"I am constantly amazed at the total destruction of ecosystems". Charles Darwin. Ask yourself where are the dinosaurs? Hint: gone. Were next.

[@eximusic]

Dogs don't talk, so hard to know what they don't understand.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

( ;｀Д´) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

Pattern recognition is it all there is, nothing more, nothing less. How do we understand it? What is it to understand? In big words, epistemology and oncology or something, i guess. I'm simply and stupid so let me put it in simple and stupid. It's a question of Truth or the truth of reality. When we're talking about Truth or the ultimate truth of reality, ultimate it's up to our consciousness to understand it or not. Consciousness, it's a brain in a vat. My consciousness is mine and mine only. So is yours, his, hers. It's a solitiscism. But then we won't go nowhere, logically so let's jump to next assuming i exist, you exist, he, she, and so do others, although keep in mind it is ultimately what it is logically, so keep in mind. Mature seems orderly when we look around us. Meaning things happen in nature repeatedly in orderly fashion. We wonder why do they happen that way. We try to reason. We try to figure out what is it all about. What does that mean? So on and so forth. But, if we could find the order they repeat, then we could predict the future outcomes. Practical reality. What do we do? We correlate patterns, connecting the dots hoping we'd get it right so that we could predict the future outcomes of things happen in nature for our benefit. So we study the patterns in nature, hypothesis, theories, try to connect the dots and test it. Try to see the order of the patterns and try to figure out the underlying causality, what causes what to make it a pattern. But correlation is not causality. Correation is correct until it ain't so. But if it's correct close enough it's close enough for the practical reality. That's science. That's logic. Pattern recognition is it al there is, nothing more, nothing less. Something like that.

[@atmoo3447]

Knowledge is to delude you into thinking you know something worthwhile

[@ransakreject5221]

Do you know that?

[@simplylethul]

Word salad.

[@generichuman_]

Reading quote a day calendars is to delude idiots into thinking they can make up their own quotes, and that they'll be coherent and meaningful...

[@ransakreject5221]

@@generichuman_ yeah it’s a waste of time. And as a great man once said You don’t waste time, time wastes you

[@robertmcclintock8701]

( ・ε・) It's intelligently designed that if you master evolution it just makes you a baby doctor.

[@جمهوریبییخدایاندوست]

Investing in the security and well-being of nations like Ukraine and Israel, and extending support to the Iranian people like smart sanctions on Oil exports of Islamic Republic but letting Iranians make money online through services, is crucial because our populations share a common wealth of talents, technologies, and values that foster economic growth, human rights, and fundamental freedoms. This understanding is lost on extremist ideologies like fascism, Marxism, and jihadism, which often rely on zero-sum thinking. For evidence, consider the arguments presented in 'Enlightenment Now' by Steven Pinker. Those who disagree are invited to engage in a constructive debate at Atheist Republic, where we can explore the merits of liberal values and the flaws in authoritarian models. Embracing liberalism allows for mutually beneficial outcomes, whereas extremist ideologies often require someone to lose in order for them to gain.

[@hmdshokri]

Are you OK man?!

[@جمهوریبییخدایاندوست]

@@hmdshokri These pro Hamas people are the biggest curse on the Palestinian people. They are waiting for an Israeli soldier to rape a Palestinian girl so they can say that Jews rape too. This is their wish. This is the quality of people you are in camp with. This is the ideological curse on anyone unlucky to been born in the fold of Islam and in the Palestinian region. They want them to die and get raped and they pretend to be on Palestinian side so they have points to win in debates with people like me.

[@N.Y.C.FreddyBling-z9u]

Pangburn :: CHECK MARK :: ''Intelligence'' remains ''intelligible'' - when a ''ratio'' assessment is arrived at. FACT. Do THE MATH! [ Sum it up! ] .,. (* Joking around here but truth is applicable!* No?*) .,

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(＃｀皿´) We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

( `_ゝ´) Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.

[@fouraces9137]

Change the name of your channel from what I saw it should be Christmas Goose. How many words can I use to make myself look smart LMAO you could see that going through your mind.

[@drumsticksusa]

They’re not here, they’re not coming. These gentlemen are smart enough to understand interstellar distances. It’s disappointing to see them “debate” this topic. There must be a good payday in it, but it’s as irresponsible to lend credence to an idea as distracting as the idea that we’re going to “colonize” Mars.

[@eoinokeeffe7014]

Thanks. It's great to finally have a definitive answer. I'm glad I read this comment because now I know. How fortunate that one random commenter understands everything better than all the great thinkers in the world who foolishly believe these questions are worth debating.

[@drumsticksusa]

@@eoinokeeffe7014 Elon has a seat for you on a rocket to nowhere.

[@KBirk83]

I still like to think that interstellar travel will be possible one day, but I definitely don’t think there are aliens here.

[@Prometheus4096]

Brian Greene doesn't understand the Fermi Paradox.

[@spoddie]

Serious question, is Sam Harris the most boring person on earth?

[@kevincasson9848]

Can't understand why people like Sam Harris. He could send a * glass eye" to sleep 😂. His voice grates on you aswell!

[@generichuman_]

He's not for everyone. Just people who read...

[@paulfromt.o.7384]

"I DONT LIKE SAM HARRIS AND WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO KNOW I DONT LIKE SAM HARRIS!" Lol then move on and watch something else fella.

[@redmed10]

He exposed jordan peterson for the charlatan that he is. He's revealed our lack of free will more than anyone in modern times. Two reasonable achievements i would say.