Where is the north/south divide?

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The north and south of England are culturally, economically, historically and accently different. But where exactly is the line that splits the country?
Written and presented by
JAY FOREMAN and MARK COOPER-JONES
Edited by
JAY FOREMAN
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[@michaelmoreton5042]

FLORIDA--The further north you drive, the more southern it gets.

[@ethanh6370]

Also, the further south you drive, the more northern it gets. And vice versa.

[@iggykad]

@@ethanh6370 vice versa is just the original comment

[@iggykad]

@@ethanh6370 ah, my mistake

[@catboy9066]

Go up to a Floridian and say there not southern you'll get shot bud

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

True true

[@HappyDragneels_page]

hats of to the bloke who just drew the scotish border

[@haris6772]

Before this video i thought that the north-south divide was just fancy-terms for the english-scottish border

[@Talshere88]

@@haris6772 I think from a technical standpoint it's the point at which you go from thinking London is cool and it's great to be able to go visit. To London is an expensive, functionality separate entity you wish we just leave the rest of us alone.

[@haris6772]

@@Talshere88 bro chill it's a joke; no need to diss the uk like that

[@judeburns4121]

Yugi Muto Scottish has two T’s

[@aceofspoons8382]

FREEDOM!!!

[@EireProductions]

"What we need is a geography teacher." -Mark Cooper-Jones, a geography teacher

[@Irisverse]

As someone who lives in New Zealand, I can't say I've seen much animosity between North and South Islanders. If there's any cultural divide going on, it's Auckland vs Everywhere else.

[@danflerovium359]

Are you a north islander? I've seen a fair bit in the south. But yeah fuck auckland

[@espe_pineda]

Well, that’s Auckward

[@ahorrell]

Yeah I agree. Apart from a few racist fringe nutters in the South Island, the main divide is AKL vs everyone

[@SD78]

Anything south of the Bombay hills is merely a peasant serf state with the sole purpose of providing their Jafa masters with flat whites and artisanal cheeses.

[@Jutte777]

Wot...there is stuff north of the Bombay Hills ???

[@BrokenCurtain]

This video is an affront to the proud British tradition of drawing straight lines through countries.

[@hamish1538]

Lol 😂

[@DarkBraveStuff]

lol

[@jrd33]

OTHER peoples' countries only!

[@gamertagboakan7417]

@God Save The Queen and TommyKay We don't, we say Bath. Why do you say Bæth like in old english?

[@ink7761]

Important qualifier: *other countries

[@lastsaneman19]

Wales is the forgotten stepchild that lives under the stairs of the UK

[@emjenkins464]

Plus we have our own contentious regional divides, though most agree Snowdonia and up is north...

[@kanal2123a]

So, Wales will go to Hogwarts?

[@tonymoore4584]

I Like Turtles he’s English, from Oswestry, not Scottish.

[@geojelly9830]

@@scottfriske9186 He is amazing!

[@mynameisbangable]

@@kanal2123a So Wales will save the muggle and wizarding worlds?

[@marenhumblebee2736]

Yeah... my family is "northern German"(Hamburg) and they moved to southern Germany(Stuttgart) for better economic prospects, where I grew up. I was told to keep away from the southern culture and language, as a child, since it was considered inferior, by my parents. All people in our household were asked to speak "high German" around me- which is the version of the German language originating in Nether-Saxony/ Lower-Saxony and termed "high" since it is distinct from the regional "nether" dialects. So it doesn't mean "better" or "posh" German, and it is also not from high up on some mountain. It is however the kind of German taught internationally and the kind considered generally free of any dialect. So in my mind there is a clear north-south divide in Germany, too. But later my family moved to Cologne and I moved to Berlin and now don't get me started on the East-West divide... I am not sure, which is worse.

[@lucadreier22]

Actually you are wrong. High German is indeed what is spoken in the South of Germany, while „Niederdeutsch“ originates in the North. We just have the unfortunate habit of calling „Standard“ German (actually the dialect of the region around Hannover) „High“ German. In conclusion: North: Platt, Niederdeutsch, Friesisch, Sorbisch South: Schwäbisch, Bayrisch, whatever the Austrians and Swiss do. Btw: I find it incredibly arrogant and wrong of your parents to immigrate somewhere and still consider themselves superior…

[@marenhumblebee2736]

@@lucadreier22 if something is ALWAYS called something, then that is its name. I wasn't speaking in historically linguistic terms, but in colloquial/standard modern usage of words - terms. And the term "hochdeutsch" does make most sense to people, when it is juxtaposed with "niederdeutsch", which is the original regional language/ traditional dialect there. So saying "I am wrong", because people generally use a term incorrectly, but to such an extent that this use has been accepted as the standard use of the term, is ungenerous. One might have added to my remark by saying this: "acctually Hochdeutsch should be considered misused in its designation as the name for the type of German spoken in Hannover, because originally the meaning of the term has a different origin. "Hochdeutsch" should acctually be used to refer to the German language from regions further south, than those where Niederdeutsch is/was spoken." (Niederdeutsch=Nethergerman= regional dialect (mostly from regions in Nethersaxony (where Hannover is the state capital)). I could have worded mine better, too. Especially, because I didn't mean to say Hochdeutsch originated in Hannover, but the term Hochdeutsch was coined as a term for dialects distinct from Niederdeutsch. And since people in Hannover, which is the capital of Nethersaxony, where Nether-German is prominently spoken, speak the "clearest" dialect-free version of German (which is seemingly completely divorced from all Nethergerman surrounding it), it is also considered the capital of "High-German". But in its essence the term "Hochdeutsch"(High German) is used to describe forms of German distinct from Nether-German. My parents were very much in love with themselves and their own culture and wanted to defend it against new influences. Meaning they didn't want to lose their cultural identity. But they also definitely didn't fancy anything the south had to offer. To them nothing there was a desirable cultural substitute for what they had lost. So, I agree, that is definitely a little arrogant, but also on some level normal. People who leave their ancestral home to go somewhere else usually try to hold on to what they have lost, as much as possible. But this thinking of something as inferior or superior is only on an individual personal basis. They thought of this cultural influence as undesirable for themselves. They did not think the people around them were "inferior" - they just didn't want to become like them^^, because they held their own cultural origin in very high regard. I think more than any other culture they rejected the idea of cultural change in themselves.

[@willneverforgets3341]

Where they say Apfel is South! :-)

[@opiniotworczyblog5090]

This is the most polite and cultured argument I’ve ever seen. There’s this idea that the British are the most polite people on earth but in my experience it’s not really the case. I’ve had an absolute pleasure conversing with Germans and even “arguing” and it never got vicious. What is it about German people that their arguments are so polite, measured and pragmatic? I want to know! I need answers please

[@fernando47180]

@@opiniotworczyblog5090 I know very little about Germans and their culture, but if I had to guess, I would say that it could be that they are known for being efficient, and getting emotional and throwing insults during a discussion or debate is, from a logical point of view, a counterproductive way to handle things, as it brings no new information to the table, and just introduces noise. Notice that not once did either of them make an attempt at attacking the other, even when it was clear that there was a clash in ideologies, but which was later clarified through an exhaustive description of their experience and points of view, one that I would say most people wouldn't even think to bother typing down, as it could require considerable effort.

[@schnozz87]

I like that Mark is essentially the absolute archetype of what northerners think southerners are like

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

Indeed! The last words said in this episode is "mahogany, mahogany", thereby fulfilling the stereotype!

[@lightdeathguy9266]

You’re in the North if you have more Greggs than Waitrose and vice versa

[@AdamsLTFC420]

Everywhere has more greggs. At least were I've been

[@charliebewsey2575]

Will Adams I live in the south and I’ve never been to a Greggs there’s only one in my city

[@lightdeathguy9266]

Will Adams My town has two Greggs and one Waitrose

[@geoffcrabtree657]

🙄Ha! Mahogany Mahogany 😆

[@JACKETMANE]

My town centre has 3 greggs all less than a 5 minute walk to each if you were to start from the centre. I live in Barnsley. We have one round the corner from the bus station, one just outside the bus station, and the final one is 2 corners away from the bus station. I am not joking about this

[@MartijnVos]

Squiggly lines are always a sign that it's a good map. My history teacher would constantly draw maps of Europe with incredibly squiggly coastlines, so the entire school would just assume his maps were perfect. Took me a while to realise his squiggles were just random.

[@omega9409]

“Ummm, Sir, when did Germany reclaim the Sudetenland?!”

[@KouNagai]

Lol

[@pranksterboss139]

@@omega9409 "Soon."

[@stevep8485]

My teacher just drew great britain as a triangle, and france as a square.

[@angelasmith5019]

What did he draw Germany like? I’d vote for a rectangle with a tiny hat.

[@francescogiovannizollo2989]

2:41 Fun fact. In Italy, we tend to divide the country in four subdivisions: Northern Italy (8 regions: Aosta Valley, Piedmont, Liguria, Lombardy, Emilia-Romagna, Veneto, Friuli-Venezia Giulia and Trentino-Alto Adige), Central Italy (4 regions: Lazio, Marches, Tuscany and Umbria), Southern Italy (6 regions: Abruzzo, Apulia, Basilicata, Calabria, Campania and Molise) and Insular Italy (2 regions: Sardinia and Sicily)

[@eckeall2121]

Although there's north island/south island rivalry in NZ, north island folk don't really think about the south island much, whereas the more evenly split sentiment is between Auckland and Northland (north of the Bombay hills) and Everywhere south of the Bombay hills. There's a saying that NZ stops at the Bombay hills, but has opposite meanings depending on which side of the divide you live in. I also remember talking with someone who had lived in Auckland for a couple years who thought Wellington was in Waikato bc to them, Waikato was just whatever was south of Auckland.

[@wilbo_baggins]

Wait there is south of Bombay hills. I thought we'd just fall off the world. Hahaha

[@Irishbloke]

2:48 “France” shows picture of the two Sudans

[@silly_saks]

Lol

[@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587]

accurate lol

[@cryptic255]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqjQqpullrZ2d7M

[@shan3013]

😂😂😂

[@baleycus]

based and redpilled

[@emeritus666]

The Norf/Souf divide should be based on the amount of Greggs per capita

[@geothqlste8562]

True, in Sheffield Centre, you're never more than two minutes walk from a Greggs

[@NFAAtomic]

Yes. Good.

[@pewpew4545]

17 greggs in Newcastle

[@coutinihoho7927]

Couldn't agree more lmao

[@Naiki_Eri_Vescida_Yanmi]

Try morleys instead. If you keep going up and stop seeing morleys, you are in the north.

[@wannabehistorian371]

In Japan, there actually is a East-West cultural divide. It’s also North-South, but it’s mainly described as east and west for some reason. There isn’t so much an economic difference though as far as I know, people in the west are said to be more brash and the east more quiet (or maybe that’s just Osaka and Tokyo), and they eat their food different; like Easterners put onions in their pork cutlet and egg rice bowls while Westerners put green onions on theirs, Westerners hate natto while Easterners love it for example. Though despite being a westerner, I swear I’ve eaten onion (or green onion and onion) pork bowls before and all my family except for me can eat natto just fine.

[@aclark903]

九州でなっとうたびますよ。

[@drheaddamage]

But in Japan, it's easy, you just see where the frequency goes fro 50 to 60 Hz, and from what point on you need to get a new NTT phone contract.

[@Kaimenhoi]

Udon or Soba?

[@wannabehistorian371]

@@aclark903 まあざっくり言うとですよ

[@Jay_in_Japan]

I think it's because of the history of Japan. Hokkaido and the north of Honshu only came under Japanese control relatively recently; so before then, Japan was more oriented in an east-west manner.

[@Ascertivus]

Your jokes and the comedic continuity in each of your videos are godly. These are great.

[@thelonesculler]

The midlands: *exist* Notherners: Is this the South? Southerners: Is this the North? (mahogany)

[@galinor7]

I'm from Staffordshire and most of the people I've spoken to say we're North not Midlands. I think it is more a perceived rural indifference to the inner city, in that rural Staffordshire has more in common with rural Yorkshire than Birmingham.

[@ComWom]

Rich H. I’m from Staffordshire, I also feel more northerly

[@paranoid97_]

I live in Derbyshire and i don't even fucking know

[@Wolflover-uf9ez]

I’m from Worcestershire and I feel like I’m a bit more northern but still south

[@calmar96]

I'm from South Sheffield which is basically the gateway to the north we class chesterfield just below us (7miles ish) as being Midlands even though they very much have the northern mindset and are very much northern Wannabees ... They are Midlands

[@endeavourist5287]

Canada uses an east/west split almost exclusively. But that's because only 11 or so people actually live in the north, while the rest of us huddle along the southern border for warmth.

[@tymandude1510]

Canada's split is actually pretty easy to explain as well and it's mostly economic and the exceptions to the east west split is basically all economic as well. BC resembles Ontario more than it does any of it's neighbors because they share similar economics with their access to important trade partners in the US and important water shopping routes. Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are mostly farm land connected to poor areas of trade in the US. Also oil. Ontario and Quebec would have nearly identical cultures due to how close they are to important US trade and access to very important water shipping routes but they end up being very different due to historical cultural divides and Ontario and BC end up being more similar even though they are very far apart. Then the Maritime Provinces all share a common culture due to their heavy reliance on fishing as an industry.

[@parkerbrewer1257]

I believe I was told in 10th grade that 90% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the borders, so this makes sense.

[@deutschekanadische]

Here in my province in canada (Alberta) We have a Northern-Southern Rivalry

[@chickenbokernot2598]

@@deutschekanadische so does ontario, but it’s more of a toronto-vs-the-rest-of-the-province rivalry

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

Ha ha

[@MartinAsleep]

0:25 I just realised that this footage was reused for the unfinished london thumbnails

[@B3RyL]

In Poland it's more like North-West/South-East divide. Except for Silesia, which is kind of a Schroedinger's region: Depending on who you ask, it's either split in the middle, or North-Western despite most of it being in the south, or its own little country, or a part of Germany.

[@deutschermichel5807]

aren't the North-Western Poland the weird new ones and the South-Eastern the old core Poland?

[@ekesandras1481]

In Silisia it depends if you ask the true locals, or the resettled Poles from Ukraine that came after WW2, when Polands borders were shifted westward.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

@@deutschermichel5807 thing is that whole division doesn't feel really that significant as Poland after WW2 had massive population migrations going on around the country, there was a lot of cultural mix that lead to modern Polish culture being fairly similar to each other most of the time with rather minor differences overall. And North-Western are often descendants of people who lived in Eastern parts of the country which makes it rather tricky. Biggest difference is how people describe outsides (dwór versus pole) but aside from it there is not that much going on that field. WW2 really made massive impact on Polish culture that literally vanquished a lot of local uniqueness.

[@deutschermichel5807]

@@andrzejnadgirl2029 thatʼs sad ig. But much of local uniqueness died with WW2, like Germans who used to live in those lands. Such cultures, local mores and customs and regional dialects - all in all diversity, die

[@SuperQuiMan]

2:47 _France_ *Proceeds to show map of Sudan*

[@TheSimmr001]

so thats why i couldn't find babylon

[@mysteryshrimp]

Not even France claims the Bir Tawil.

[@JimTheFishTV]

Uhh... enclaves!

[@welshmapper8240]

SuperQuiMan ëíğ

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

This is a common mistake for people who have been to France, gotten off the plane, looked around at the people, and thought they got laid over in Khartoum.

[@ruditheraven]

Its not as bad as in germany where it is split like: -north vs south (sort of) -west vs east (take a guess why) -everyone vs bavaria -and a big 16 state battle royale, everybody hates everybody i love germany

[@playlistmaker6703]

Indeed

[@Wuschi2001]

Yes. But everyone except for north germany, can't speak propper german

[@matthewmurren2210]

And that kids is why we need the Kaiser, not a democracy

[@anfisachern8570]

EVERYONE VS BAVARIA LMAO

[@vinniewolff8951]

Everyone vs Berlin

[@rockinRrr]

Jay and friend. I love Map men. find that they are interesting enough to rewatch a year later.

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

Was just watching this again, and I found it quite entertaining, as usual! Thanks for the video!

[@SeraphimKnight]

This is a criminally undersubscribed channel.

[@sm6allegro]

I guess a lot of people started hating him when he endorsed the Green party...

[@nuler55]

How many subs did this channel have before decline?

[@biltonlawford3775]

It isn't declining. It's growing. Up until April 2015, this channel had under 6000 subscribers. Then it more than doubled by the end of May 2015, (coinciding with the release of "Politics Unboringed").

[@nuler55]

+Bilton Lawford sorry, I misunderstood it completely. I don't know how I got to the conclusion that the channel had been in decline. I'm really glad to see that these guys are growing at such a fast rate, I really enjoy their content.

[@jinccha8234]

I'm American, and I just recently discovered this channel. Maybe they can get a shoutout from someone or be on reddit. These guys definitely should get more views :)

[@DavidWildgoose]

In the Middle Ages there were separate taxes for the North and the South. The North paid a tax for “defence against the Scots” and the South was taxed for “defence against the French”. The dividing line was roughly the River Trent. Interestingly, the Trent Valley is also the southernmost extent of the Ice Age glaciers. That’s the line!

[@nikolaangelovski2252]

Hahahahhahahahah, "the defence against the scots" and "the defence against the french" are the most english reasons ever to tax someone

[@Stonecoldinsummer]

That was really interesting, cheers!

[@dan5020]

I'd love to chase you up on that David, but something tells me it'd be fruitless!

[@bensonfang1868]

There’s a lot of interesting medieval locations along this current line-I saw places like Warwick, bosworth, and Tewksbury

[@xtopia9758]

nice. Thanks for the information

[@b.griffin317]

You guys have now got me wanting to visiting Scunthorpe, something I never would have imagined doing before.

[@NocturnalTyphlosion]

it's not worth it, no matter the allure

[@BBallantine223]

That was the perfect youtube video essay, fellas. Bravo!

[@snakelele4148]

"we need a geography teacher" - Mark Cooper-Jones, a geography teacher

[@gpaderx6105]

exactly. I saw from the other video's comments saying that Mark became his/her geography teacher 8 years ago.

[@galaxyllama8930]

we need James V !

[@mariam-hy5jv]

@@galaxyllama8930 i agree LOL XD

[@dogo6226]

I’m from wales

[@adolflenin4973]

@@mariam-hy5jv i love england

[@kostathomas8732]

In Canada the lines are simple, there's Quebec, And then there's everyone else

[@MichaelOnines]

Does that count as an east-west divide? Or is it an east-middle-west divide?

[@Retterime]

It's more of a west-east-quebec-east divide.

[@RushPowa]

To be fair, they were there before you.

[@SoraHjort]

In Alaska it's Anchorage, and then everyone else.

[@andrewgilchrist1816]

the latter

[@roelant8069]

2:38 Another North South divide is found in the Netherlands actually The northern part was historically protestant and was the part that fought a civil war to split off from Spain, while the south was more catholic and wasn't bothered by being ruled by the catholic Spanish.

[@andyjay729]

That was part of the reason Belgium was created, right?

[@roelant8069]

@@andyjay729 I'm not very well versed in modern history but I do think it was part of the underlying issues that led to the revolution yes

[@petermasefield8403]

Love the addition of the Bromwell High theme in there.

[@aibpresto]

"It would put Sheffield in the South, and that just doesn't feel right" As someone who lives near Sheffield, I fully agree with this.

[@tomcourt7888]

AibPresto Official as a guy from the actual north i fully disagree. Sheffield is not in the north

[@CallMeConnorYT]

@@tomcourt7888 as a guy from the north , Sheffield is definitely in the North

[@PhillipR34]

As a person from Durham, Sheffield is definitely not in the north.

[@CallMeConnorYT]

@@PhillipR34 as a guy from the north it is the north

[@PhillipR34]

Anything south of Middlesbrough is the midlands

[@19nightsky91]

British humor on youtube is so rare. Awesome.

[@MikeGill87]

You mean "British humour", of course... :)

[@mantistoboggan1503]

Exurb1a, nuff said

[@ab-ul1yz]

Niran And tremendously enjoyable

[@danielgent6035]

We leave out the canned laughter so you have to work out when you laugh It's challenging for some

[@pyeltd.5457]

Daniel Gent but we don't. Porrage is full of it. Anyway this is shittiest Britainia humor I have ever seen Map Men

[@TheoHiggins]

Interestingly as you touched on the Scottish border having geological roots, this north/south line also vaguely follows geological boundaries.

[@ramamonato5039]

I once read an article on linguistics. Hence, I know there is an imaginary line called "isogloss" in England, which seperates two areas there; native speakers of English living in the south of the line say /ʌ/ and those living in the north say /ʊ/ for 'up, cut, come'. Another imaginary line seperates one area saying /ɑː/ from that saying /æ/ for 'half, bath, grass'. Those English dialects saying /ʊ/ belong to Northern British English, being nicknamed "Oop North".

[@sheilaleslie1323]

I think the isogloss line goes through Nottingham depending on whether we say “our ‘ouse “. Or “ar arse”

[@jacobjallen2620]

It can be easily measured by the Greggs/Waitrose ratio

[@finemmerson9117]

Halifax has 5 Gregg's 😂

[@finemmerson9117]

@@jacobjallen2620 no. Not in Halifax. More like Bath or Harrogate

[@DeltaDW]

Greggs out numbers both north and south these days.

[@user-tx6lu6nz5r]

I've seen one Waitrose in my life and it was the day I went to London for the first time...I havnt been back to the south since

[@Fricasso79]

@@user-tx6lu6nz5r There's one in Otley.

[@michaelrobinson166]

Anyone who lives north of the Falklands is a Northerner.

[@zarffekentish3174]

True

[@christunnell381]

I think you mean the south sandwich islands

[@giovannidipierfrancescodim3058]

Michael Robinson As an argentinian i'm triggered

[@sheoshipperiinng6526]

is malvines and of Argentina Latin America for latin americans only , ok?

[@Agate717]

Sheo Shipper Fuck off

[@stephenj9470]

I was actually disappointed there was no ad at the end. That's when you know they do a good job at it.

[@DarcyDigs]

Laughed so much at this. Thank you!

[@HeiliDwedler]

North of France: the south is only beach and crime South of France : the north is only rain and consanguinity Paris: Wait, you're all also French?

[@HS-PGX]

Parisians are a breed of their own… the most arrogant people anywhere in the planet. But people from other parts of France are quite nice. Just my opinion.

[@HeiliDwedler]

@@HS-PGX You're not wrong

[@SM-dt1pr]

@@HS-PGX Same thing in Britain with London.

[@smilingthroughitall1115]

Same can be said for Manilans and the rest of the Philippines.

[@chelseacomps829]

@@SM-dt1pr Not sure which Londoners you’re meeting but hardly any of us are arrogant about where we live. Don’t let government spending cloud your judgement

[@LiteraryOG]

We germans had a brilliant solution for this ages ago. Just divide east and west babyyy

[@yoavmal]

They came to this solution after failing with the previous one, attempting to remove the border in general

[@blobin8or]

I believe you outsourced your regional pissings to a bloke names Stalin

[@josh7508]

You split in to four actually then three then two then 1 you should probably just make your mind up

[@niko1ndex]

It wasnt Germany's idea.

[@Near_Void]

@@niko1ndex finally, i found someone who knows how the split happened. Thankyou sir

[@BobWitlox]

In the Netherlands we use North (Groningen, Friesland), East (Twente, Achterhoek), South (Brabant, Limburg) en West (Randstad). There's some overlap, for instance in North-East and some regions/provinces are left out of this divide.

[@tapio_m6861]

Finland has both a north/south divide and an east/west divide. It depends on the subject which people usually think about. Culturally, west/east is the pronounced division, but economically it's north/south.

[@caesarlandoco7526]

"Mahogany Mahogany" is the best ending to a video I've ever seen.

[@keatonhardy3297]

I know right?

[@RubenTheCartographer]

So good.

[@frankhooper7871]

Not to mention the Coronation Street theme tune.

[@ASWEnterprisesLondon]

This has the best ending line: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3vJXmuHp62Vaq8

[@Psychol-Snooper]

I say!

[@hwalazia]

Actually for US, we have west coast vs east coast, while ignoring everything in the middle

[@luketalbot7253]

Holy T but what about the north south racism divide?

[@shockedcurve453]

@@luketalbot7253 it generally holds except for this island of non-south around miami that doesn't really belong to a direction

[@luketalbot7253]

shockedcurve453 well of course there’s exceptions, like with the uk the Isle of Man isn’t in the north or south

[@connertoennis1028]

I'd argue we divide much more than that. West Coast vs East Coast, the South, the Midwest, the West, and New England

[@TapdotWater]

"A man from Colorado drew the line between East and West in the Rockies, a man from Virginia in the Appalachians, and a man from Missouri insisted there's something called the 'Midwest'. Ha ha ha!"

[@grumblegroan]

Just been watching Portillo's train programme .he was in Kent . The trains were modern , clean and timely , can't wait till he's up north trying out our cattle truck trains

[@5en_official]

1:31 I absolutely LOVE Mark having his eyes closed here

[@rodrigoteresa7944]

Canada from West to East be like Hippies-->Cowboys-->Americans in denial-->France Junior---->Depressed fishermen

[@lcem7]

Vive le Québec libre !

[@rodrigoteresa7944]

@@lcem7 bientôt big ;)

[@AlbertaGeek]

Good, but it doesn't really account for Manitoba, does it? I would maybe put "Southernmost Territory" betwixt "Cowboys" and "Americans in denial".

[@lcem7]

@@AlbertaGeek nobody cares about the Manitoba

[@kyleking3839]

@@lcem7 manitoba doesn't count, maple syrup, maple syrup

[@amaajemyfren1028]

Mahogany mahogany.

[@lvseka]

Ama namna gani my fren

[@lachlanbrowse6939]

Mahogany mahogany

[@ErwinPommel]

Soft bloody southerners

[@morrobarry]

@@ErwinPommel at least we have friends

[@ErwinPommel]

The wind is your only friend.

[@lavasharkandboygirl9716]

The choice to use coro’s theme song as an outro was artistic genius

[@ollly7287]

map men lets goooooo super stoked

[@edram4051]

To people in Scotland, we are all southeners.

[@Sealto]

Yes, you are.

[@80ki68]

But Northumbria goes further north than the entire county of Dumfries and Galloway in Scotland!

[@dannypeck96]

and you're all wildlings, north of the wall.

[@TheDaisy61]

Dang Southners!!!

[@reb-xu9di]

@Aqua Cunt I think you mean especially Anglian. Northumbria was an Anglian kingdom stretching from north of the Humber (hence the name) to the Forth. You may be confusing the Saxons (Germans) with the Angles (Danes). The Angles are one of the four (five if you include the Viking fringe) ancient peoples of Scotland alongside the Picts (north of the Forth), Scots/Gaels (Argyle & the western seaboard), & Britons (south west Scotland).

[@8Scientist]

That "Bith" joke may be the most British joke since the one about the parrot.

[@TilveranWrites]

If a British man owned a zebra, he'd name it "spot".

[@joeyhardin5903]

@@TilveranWrites id name it benton

[@mvnkycheez]

I know a guy from Bath who says it like he's a northerner but he's just from Bath

[@joeyhardin5903]

@@mvnkycheez i know a girl from bath

[@m.m.1301]

Can someone explain it to a poor foreigner?

[@kathfora]

In Greece it's North vs South (Thessaloniki vs Athens specifically) but there are also rivalries between cities, like Larissa vs Volos, Chania vs Heraklion etc.

[@ChickenWings103]

The Swan Inn in Stalham (thanks JW), Norfolk is awesome, btw. Saw it in the pic you showed for it!

[@jamiewilson5679]

Stalham?

[@ChickenWings103]

@@jamiewilson5679 Yes, been there several times while sailing the Norfolk Broads. Beautiful town.

[@jamiewilson5679]

@@ChickenWings103 the Broads are lovely,I've heard of the pub but never been.👍🙂🔰

[@triplev-th2kw]

I think that the reason that north-south cultural divisions are so common. Is because climate changes more when you travel north to south rather than east to west. Which creates a greater possibility for people at similiar latitudes to create a more common culture as the similiar climate helps unite them.

[@martavdz4972]

Yeah, you're probably right. It doesn't work in countries that are "fat", though, and there are historical reasons for the differences sometimes. Plus the influence of neighbouring countries. Here in Czechia, it's West vs. East because the eastern part was a separate country in the Middle Ages. In Slovakia, the West was influenced by Czechia while the East had more contacts with Ukraine.

[@elonmush4793]

In Germany there's obviously an east/west devide between the original Federal Republic of Germany and the former GDR. We also have a divide based on language. There are three distinct dialect groups going from north to middle to south and at least one of them falsely claim they don't speak with a dialect. Then there's a north/south divide based on geography. Are you closer to the sea or closer to the Alps? And then there's the good old capital/non-capital divide. Nobody likes Berliners (except we're talking about the pastry.) But since for the longest time there was no united Germany, everbody hates everbody, of course.

[@RicardoCristofRemmertFontes]

@@elonmush4793 And Berliners look down upon everyone else. And rightly so, as I may add as a Berliner myself, as everybody else are savages. 😁 Also, LOL at the reference to Hanover 😂

[@TheRustAdmin]

Strange full stop usage.

[@JohnDiGrizUkraine]

@@martavdz4972 Yeah, Ukraine also has extremely strong East/West split for historical reasons, with east and south having bigger Russian influence (and notable amount of Russian migration and suppression of Ukrainian language and culture), and West and North having historically stronger Lithuanian/Polish/Austro-Hungarian influence

[@hamishkane6545]

"Wales doesn't count" Y'know, sometimes I feel sorry for the Welsh. But then I remember they're Welsh, and I feel even worse for them.

[@Kardia_of_Rhodes]

Diolch.

[@TalesOfWar]

I laughed a hell of a lot more than I should have at that hahaha. Ah well, they'll always have their cheese on toast and castles. I mean Rarebit.

[@hamishkane6545]

TalesOfWar "Wales" Comes from an old English word meaning foreigner, or slave.

[@hamishkane6545]

AlwaysRM_ Yes, as in a person who is the property of another person.

[@AlwaysRM_]

I know that... but it means Slave?!?!

[@TheAndrewJBaker]

I live in Stafford though I come from further south. The north begins a few miles up the road - Tittensor. It’s very precise. The weather often changes - you might go into snow there - because of the effect of the Staffordshire Moorlands. Stoke is therefore in the north and I don’t go there (much) whereas I often go from Stafford to Shropshire which is…er….west.

[@FlawedFabrications]

I live in the Peak District and because of the way the county lines are, I'm directly in between Manchester and Sheffield, two cities that everyone agrees are northern, and yet I'm classed as 'midlands' because Derbyshire county has a big sticky up bit for some reason lol.

[@IceSpoon]

Well excuse ME sir, I am from Chile: Longest country in north-south direction and I have a few things to say. This is true. Thanks. Now if you want to see a more elaborated version, we have the driest desert of the planet down here, and that already gives our north a very distinct personality. As you start moving south climate changes, clouds are suddenly a reality, cities become more city-like, traffic jams are real and so on. Suddenly, an invisible line will appear and the "south" begins. Some people say Concepción (where there used to be an indian-spaniard border back in the colonies), others Temuco, others Puerto Montt, where our main highway dies out and boats and planes become more efficient ways of transport because have you seen our geography at the south? Yup. Anyway, ferns and forests arise, Norway-like fjords fill the landscape and you get to the chilean patagonia and the literal end of civilised world (Antarctica doesn't count). I don't know if you could draw a line and as these brits prove it, it depends on who you ask. But there's definitely a N-S division.

[@hughbowden5696]

I live in Chile, but isn't Brazil technically longer from north to south?

[@DannieRay23]

@@hughbowden5696 it is by like 80 km

[@CanthusOfCandE]

'we have the driest desert of the planet down here' ohhh if only you had said 'driest non-polar desert' or the 'desert with the least precipitation' i wouldn't feel compelled to point out the McMurdo Dry Valleys :(

[@akramquol6737]

Icespoon rawa2 as we say in Arabic Edit: I forgot to put the ic at the end of Arabic

[@stee1rat]

Read in the voice of Jay :D

[@superkobster]

"I live in the Midlands!" "No you don't."

[@Hello-yr1ux]

Superkobster cheers... where do I live then?

[@superkobster]

@@Hello-yr1ux The North or the South.

[@BlobBob]

Lolol no

[@hrgrhrhhr]

@@Hello-yr1ux the nouth

[@youtubecensoredme245]

@@hrgrhrhhr things are about to go sorth

[@Trixtah]

I spat out my tea at the VisionOn music. And it's not just countries, but cities too. In Canberra, you've got northside and southside (of Lake Burley Griffin), in London, you've got north (of the Thames) London and sarf Lunnon, Sydney has the North Shore and ... everywhere else except "the Shires"?

[@The1trueDave]

1:32 loved Mark's expression! Never ask the Great British Public anything at all!

[@jameswhee]

I'm from Milton Keynes, and when asked where that is I often say "it's as far north as you can go whilst remaining in the south"

[@johnlacey3857]

Is that what the concrete cows say also?

[@gsungud]

Fake town

[@missgfaulkner]

up the mk, roundabout heaven

[@erikruder3360]

Milton Keynes is a uniquely Southern shithole. Driving through it reminds me of the grim little towns around Portsmouth

[@francesatty7022]

I'm in Gloucestershire and I like to say I'm the most northern part of the south west

[@0000Ledger0000]

Good call on avoiding Ireland what talking about other country’s north south divide 😂

[@loveforsberg530]

Korea is slightly worse.

[@itxi]

That's because they're two different countries

[@rephirairis]

Two Englishmen talking about the Irish divide... Oh boy I can already imagine where we'd be headed.

[@doodlebug4360]

I mean, the Republic of ireland has an East West split

[@sandrajones8245]

Yeah but like Wales Ireland doesn't count! 😂😉

[@NelvanaFan1971]

1:32 love the touch of bromwell in there

[@dragonmovieguy]

LOVE this Channel!!! As an American, I didn’t realize there was a difference between North and South United Kingdom! Truth be told I can’t tell the difference in North and South British accents, but I heard something about ‘Received Pronunciation’. Is that the Southern accent??!! And, which one is the dude from My Fair Lady speaking with??!! The ‘Hartford, Herriford, and Hampshire’ guy that sounds like Stewey from Family Guy!

[@shifterboot1382]

*angry welsh comments incoming*

[@garethaethwy]

And more than deserved. Along with the angry Scottish comments.

[@x_8643]

Gareth Williams what an earth is Scotland mad for?

[@bouncinbetty2032]

Scotland is mad because they when they drew a map of England they included Scotland when Scotland isn't in England, this also caused problems when they asked the public where they thought the north-south line is because some got confused and drew the Scottish-English border.

[@MarkAtkin]

Angry Welsh comments coming from where? There is no Wales. Did you not see the map? :)

[@fulcrum2951]

@@bouncinbetty2032 that or they're just being scottish

[@eastvander7229]

“You can tell he did his reasearch because the line is very squiggly indeed.” I spat out my water when he said that 😂🤣

[@raystinger6261]

Brazilian here. Here we usually divide the country in 5 regions: North, Northeast, Southeast, South and Midwest. Technically you could divide those regions into north and south, but the Midwest wouldn't fit right into neither. As it is, there's not so much rivalry among regions, but there's racism instead.

[@Eurobrasil550]

To many here in Paraná state anyone with even a slight nordestino accent is 'Bhaino' and yes many make derogatory comments about the North East, despite in many cases having never been north of São Paulo! 😮

[@690_5]

"Ahh Wales doesn't count. Hah, Mahogany Mahogany." - Coronation street theme plays -

[@honorarymancunian7433]

I, too, saw the last few seconds of the video.

[@danboah2501]

@@honorarymancunian7433 you just summed up every quote comment on every video ever

[@woganjones2012]

Wales does not count as you were discussing England all along. Why you drew Scotland and Wales on your map MapMen is a puzzle indeed. FYI there is a north/south difference in Wales too. Maybe find out about it?

[@1degabyte238]

Northern Ireland wants to talk to you

[@davewilliams6172]

@Meme Review There is an East West divide as well....it starts at Conwy. East is Anglicised and West is most definitely Welsh...Anglesey is very Welsh with lots of Mancs (Manchester born) on the coast

[@rhapsodicsky4843]

I’m from the midlands To the southerners I’m a northerner. To the northerners I’m Switzerland :p

[@simonh6371]

I'm from the Midlands too...but up in the far north - Darlington - I was called a Southerner.

[@davew4998]

@@simonh6371 No, you have your dinner at miday so you're a northerner.

[@simonh6371]

@@davew4998 Actually mate it depends on what class you are in, or think you are. My Grandparents on one side had dinner at midday and tea at 5:30 on the dot, we had lunch and dinner at home. I now have lunch and dinner too. Because we're neither Southerners nor Northerners, we're Midlanders. Look on the map, even without Scotland if you draw a line across halfway up, it's North of the Midlands.

[@davew4998]

@@simonh6371 I was only teasing. My roots are cockney and we always had our dinner at lunch time too.

[@georgerobertson1054]

I’m from Lincolnshire, equidistant from Newark and lincoln, which would appear to put me smack dab in the middle... I always felt Newark was posher than Lincoln so now I’m confused... I like to think I’m northern... my friends from further south certainly do anyway but my friends from the north say I’m southern It really does seem that no one acknowledges the midlands...

[@jbutfc]

I’m a Devonian. The north begins at the river Parrett near Bridgwater and a line goes from there down to Poole. Everything outside of that line is the north. Bournemouth, Southampton and the Isle of Wight included.

[@belbrighton6479]

I am from Sussex and if you look at a globe or map with latitudes you will find we are the most Southern. You are in the West and up from us.

[@Kernung711]

Upper south, Manchester. I prenounce Cut as "Kutt" and Bath as "Barth" btw its just lovely you used LBP music in this vid, Two Banks Note

[@illiteratethug3305]

everybody who isn't me is wrong.

[@illiteratethug3305]

don't talk shit you idiot

[@nathankingham1248]

You’re right.

[@lildev8117]

Nathan Kingham paradox yay

[@lgtvflia.ruffinelli6569]

illiterate thug you are not an idiot

[@flynn659]

you embody the internet

[@hurlebibi]

I'm a big fan of your map of France :D

[@samanthabrian3896]

lol, I thought it looked a bit funny

[@DimensionalIO]

They said France and showed a map of Sudan

[@DimensionalIO]

Adam Anderson Great, sarcasm

[@SKAndland]

Had to scroll way too far to find this comment :D

[@thebandit0256]

They're subjects of UK they have to hate the French for cheating on them with the Austrians why do you think U.S and Canada live with their mum U.K instead of that tosser France

[@Hyblup]

2:50 I like how it just circles around us in Australia and New Zealand

[@thanostheclub]

Illustrating a point about Coronation Street with a picture of Compo Simmonite is the most Southern thing imaginable. From a born-and-brought-up Midlander and spiritual East Riding-dweller, living in the South East with a slightly South Western accent. And I can't believe that academic put Lincoln in the south, honestly...

[@chewy5563]

it's pronounced Bath

[@Ben-hw1ko]

Chewy No it’s bath

[@chewy5563]

you sure, I always thought it was Bath

[@besttrendsextra1000]

No it's Bath ya bawbags

[@chewy5563]

Yes that's what I said Bath

[@KoruGo]

No it's _bath_

[@DavideGobbicchi]

As an Italian, I find the UK talking about North/South divide as something cute...because here in Italy: -- North and South have always been - and still are - two different countries; the North is wealthy and industrialized and wants independence blaming the South for being lazy, the South is more touristic/agricultural and blames the North for leaving it behind. -- Everyone hates or ignores the Center (Tuscany, Former Papal State) because it is seen as "Southener" by North Italians, and "Northerner" by South Italians -- the center (Tuscany in particular) is filled with local rivalries originating from the rinascimental city-states and thus hates itself --Sardinia is just its own thing with sheep and weird people

[@alvexok5523]

Which part of Italy has the best food, north or south?

[@Smitology]

@@alvexok5523 I feel like you're going to start a big Italian fight lol

[@rachelcookie321]

Is Rome in the north or south?

[@Smitology]

@@rachelcookie321 South I think

[@samzy9358]

sardinia translates to wales in english

[@random-non-poster]

1:53 they are right i went to cornwall and on the first time of going there it showed 'the midlands' somewhere around halfway through our destination

[@awakebriton7944]

My parents lived right by the A5 Watling Street in Northamptonshire and always said this was the agreed truce line between the Danes in the North and the Anglo Saxons in the South

[@andrew4363]

“Ah, forgot Wales again” Said parliament “Wales doesn’t matter” Said Boris Johnson

[@doodlebug4360]

That attitude can be applied to everywhere north of Norwich

[@andrew4363]

@@doodlebug4360 can confirm, I’m Scottish.

[@lonederanger2603]

@@doodlebug4360 ain't that the truth.

[@bradleymchugh6952]

@National Socialist So your name is.... National Socialist. I'd take smackheads any day of the week.

[@nandanpillai4675]

@National Socialist andd so is england we cant do any better

[@rin_etoware_2989]

Wait. France?

[@JoCE2305]

Matthew Tolentino Sudan

[@commander_storm]

Matthew Tolentino better example: Germany

[@evy2031]

France is Germany anyway

[@gad8476]

*ElsaB-Lothringen

[@i.e.s.u7155]

Yes France.

[@MattJohno2]

I think one way that works for me, is to draw a line between the sourthernmost point on the Mersey Estuary, and keep going until you reach the Humber. Coincidentally, this splits Sheffield between the North and South, right down the middle of the Meadowhall shopping centre.

[@eldanridley7]

The calm music in the background when he draws the map is from Little Big Planet 1

[@JayForeman]

It predates Little Big Planet by several decades. It’s a piece of music from 1962 called ‘Leftbank Two’ by the Noveltones. It’s been used in children’s art shows since the 70s. Many generations of Brits associate this music with kids’ bad drawings. That’s why it turns up in parodies everywhere.

[@eldanridley7]

@@JayForeman I didn't know that, you learn something new everyday :) BTW i was very happy and surprised that you replied to my comment. especially since this video is pretty old so thank you and i love your videos! Funny and educational

[@AHappyCub]

2:49 "France.." *Shows Sudan and South Sudan*

[@Pouzdraken]

Close enough

[@radiahmed126]

As a Sudanese I've never knew I was French 🤣

[@atlantic_31]

Why........

[@dathn9880]

wait I just realise something..

[@fannishfanning160]

It's not wrong though. France is fast becoming Sudan.

[@danielyusukeshimizu8802]

In Japan it is easterners and westerners. Tokyo in the east and Osaka/Kyoto in the west. Easterners are respectful, patient but cold, Westerners are (kind of) disrespectful, impatient, but warm hearted. I am an Easterner, but my personality is Westerner, and I'm genetically Ryukyu! That's like a Southerner whose personality is Northerner, but Genetically Irish!

[@andybliss5965]

Yeah I lived in Tottori before Tokyo. People are much friendlier also in Osaka too

[@DieFlabbergast]

That's just playing with words. Japan's axis is diagonal - from southwest to northeast. Apart from Hokkaido (which was "invented," like, yesterday) there is NO "North Japan" (whatever NHK would have you believe) - there is the Tohoku (northeast) region. And Kyushu and Shikoku (plus Kinki) are not just west of the Kanto, they are MUCH further south than the Kanto. And personalitywise, there is NO similarity between the people of the Kanto and those of the Tohoku, so there goes _your_ theory!

[@DannieRay23]

The three mountains intensify

[@lastsaneman19]

Weird, everyone in Kyushu was super respectful but also cold and indifferent, but everyone in kanagawa was really friendly and casual

[@wannabehistorian371]

I think genetically Hawaiian might be more accurate than Irish. Since Okinawa/Ryukyu is basically our version of Hawaii (and Hokkaido is our Alaska).

[@kszatmary]

My new favorite KZbin channel.

[@SafeRemain]

you still watch?

[@chris-ryan]

It splits on a roundabout in Minworth, which is the centre point of the country.

[@doctoad2655]

In germany we have "Aldi Nord" and "Aldi Süd" and thats all we need

[@Soken50]

Germany is also a great example of an East - West divide, though it's thankfully disappearing

[@marcexner1631]

Germany has a east-west-divide for historical reasons. The western part has a north-south-divide for cultural/mentality reasons.

[@cuteerebos2155]

DAS HEISST HOFER!!!

[@dorthusiast]

Marc Exner You'd see that Bavaria and Baden-Würtemberg have very different identities to other Germans, with different dialects as well as the fact that these were the areas Catholicism was pretty much present even after the Reformation.

[@marcexner1631]

@@dorthusiast Uhm... northern Bavaria - not catholic at all. But Hesse, Rhineland-Palatinate, NRW - very catholic. And different dialects are to be found kinda everywhere ;) I guess the main difference is between parts that used to be Prussia and those who weren't.

[@Yotanido]

Here in Germany we have both an east/west and a north/south divide. You can pretty much divide Germany into north-west, north-east and south Germany and actually observe different cultures. Especially the south is vastly different to the northern parts.

[@johnnye87]

Would that be essentially Prussia, Saxony and Bavaria?

[@djsilversun]

johnnye87 not really

[@xtusvincit5230]

@Muddykip 13 The US can be divided every which way like 50 times. They are called states.

[@xtusvincit5230]

Germany is best divided into NE, NW and the good part.

[@tayetrotman]

Well we all know who to blame for the East-West divide..or do we? I suppose it depends on who you blame for the lack of a united Germany. Some will blame the USA, some the USSR (considering it doesn’t exist anymore it’s way easier to blame the Soviets).

[@CowboyAye]

3:11 I've got the joke about Mahogany Mahogany years ago, but realised nobody referred to the joke. Did Jay Foreman have a 5£ bet too, that nobody would notice it in 11 minutes?

[@aspectaerialimagery6288]

The north starts at the River Tees. Everywhere below that line are either in the midlands (Leeds, Manchester) or the south (London, Birmingham).

[@midorishiwa]

Being French I can tell you there is also an East/West divide as in "I'm near the Ocean" vs "I'm near the mountains" kinda spirit. And we do have a centre. In like there is literally a French region called "Centre". Yes, it is a depressing region. We also have an area the geographers pedantly call "la diagonale du vide" aka "the emptiness diagonal" it goes from North East to South West France and has very little population encompassing a bunch counties we like to jokingly describe as having more cows than inhabitants. Though they may literally have more cows than inhabitants. We're not sure, too few people living there to count all the cows.

[@irenejohnston6802]

30yrs ago went to Bretagne. Parc D'Amorique, Pleyben, stayed in old stone house Leur Vihan, Brasparts hardly saw anyone had to practise my French, liked it because was not mainstream French. J'ecoute la chasse des sangliers 🕊️

[@andyjay729]

They might actually have more cows than people. Livestock operations can be very large. I don't know how much livestock there is in France, but you may have heard that Australia, New Zealand, and even Ireland have more sheep than people.

[@dorkmax7073]

Jay: Bith Me: I diagnose you with Kiwi

[@teuast]

yis, thet's abeout ruight

[@daddymuggle]

Nope, kiwi is closer to buth.

[@Baddylongway]

But north or south island??

[@4P5MC]

As a Kiwi, I pronounce it like /'bæːf/ (barf) when I'm speaking quickly (ginna havva barf = gonna have a bath). If I try to pronounce it properly, it sounds like you'd expect; /'baːθ/ (barth)

[@rodrigodelprat]

Mep Men

[@oldsteamguy]

I deeply appreciate the use of Left Bank 2.

[@michaelshepherd6701]

The distinction is how many times a place has been glaciated. That changes the nature of the landscape. Maximum glaciation but south of Hadrian's wall is the north of England, anywhere south of that is the south of England, or to a true northerner south of that is France, north of that is England. The terminal moraine of the last ice sheet is roughly level with Stoke. When you are going up or down the M6 and you come to that hilly bit where the rolling hills are covered in conifers around about Keele you are crossing into or out of what southerners might refer to as the north and what real northerners refer to as England. I always put "Hit the North" by The Fall on the car stereo at that point. Another key point to make is that you can put water in't bath, but you should never put an r in it.

[@jichusTea]

2:48 Shows Sudan but says France I’m so confused-

[@atinofspam3433]

who cares? its france!

[@darkcassoulet1041]

@@atinofspam3433 grrrrrrrr, parle mieux

[@TaigaGetsBitches]

if the map men call it France then its France

[@ionantonescu9475]

Eh, same thing (Mahogany Mahogany)

[@alexl1041]

@@darkcassoulet1041 j'avoue