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Have you ever seen one of those martial arts movies or documentaries about The Shaolin fighter, temple, or style? Some people always question their style and philosophy so in today's Kung Fu Report episode we will discuss, in my point of view, how do I see the Shaolin style and some curious points I bet you didn't know about it. Check this video out and leave your comment on what you know about the Shaolin style.
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[@shadowninja569]

Same thing happened in India British outlawed kalaripayattu it had to change to dance to be allowed. There are attempts to revive it by incorporating arts like karate but we'll see.

[@MeHowBeatz]

Yeah, I've also heard about it, unbelievable loss of knowledge during the Portuguese and British rule, especially since one kalari teacher [they are called Gurukkal, right?] said in some video I've watched some time ago, can't find it now, that approximately 80-90% of all the knowledge & skills were lost because of those.. let's call the 'restrictions'.. So, I often wonder how much knowledge & skill has also been lost because of all the destructions of the northern Shaolin temple [the last one in 1928.. as the internet says..] and during the so called Cultural Revolution.. when the communists were destroying the Four Old Things or The Four Olds which were: Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Customs.. But I really like that 'revive it' phrase, I've been thinking a lot about lately, trying to search for the real, authentic 'stuff' and.. maybe collect it somewhere somehow.. and learn some of it? And share it? Would definitely be a dream come true! :) There's this great video titled: "Kalaripayattu: The First Martial Art" which made a huge impression on me and I had this very humbling experience, again, something like: "The more you get to know, the more you realize how much you don't know and how much there still is to know!" :D I can only imagine how many other martial art systems/styles were there, and even how many are there even today :)

[@yew2oob954]

That wasn't the British, it was the Muslims that banned Indian martial arts.

[@benjaminbecker8508]

Awesome Information. You are an encyclopedia, Sifu.

[@WuzuquanSpain]

Hello, Adam. I agree. I'm from Ireland and we have a saying: "You have to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was." Too many people in CMA like to talk about their "grandfather" (i.e., their style or their Grandmaster) and where he came from, instead of showing what they themselves can do. What does it matter if someone got whacked with poles, while wearing a traditional outfit, during their grading at the Shaolin Temple, in front of some saffron-robed monks, if they cannot even root? I practise what is traditionally referred to as "Nan Shaolin Wuzuquan". I have no idea whether there was a Nan Shaolin temple. For all I know, the name merely means "a southern system that has Shaolin roots". The heritage of Wuzuquan means a lot less to me than its mechanics and application and, in particular, my own ability (or lack thereof). Perhaps, not being Chinese, I have a lot less cultural skin in the game. One thing I have noticed about people I have met, who train in any of the branches of the Shaolin Temple franchise, is that they refer to "Shaolin" as if it were a style in itself, rather than an umbrella. I guess that's because in Henan, they have reverse-engineered a homogenous "Shaolin" style. I have also noticed that the various international Shaolin Temple branches often also teach Taijiquan, which makes no sense to me.

[@preacher48]

I call modern Shaolin Kung fu as : Adults wearing silk pajamas.

[@bnalive5077]

Always love your content.

[@catitonavarro]

Thank you for sharing, please keep this up it is very inspiring and informational.

[@tristantse5900]

Nice info sifu very interesting

[@williambreazeal387]

Meir Shahar has a good book in English out regarding the history of Song Shaolin martial arts. Regarding the arts of the anti-Qing revolutionaries, you can track the history of some branches in the historical reviews of the documents about the Millenarian sects during the Qing. It can be difficult to track styles this way because the focus is on organizations and individuals. For example, in Northern China one of the main revolutionaries was Feng Keshan. Iirc he was the “Earth Emperor” of the Taiping rebellion, and the only one of the “Emperors” that wasn’t apprehended. He was responsible for covertly spreading several martial lineages in the North after the rebellion was put down including branches of Chuo Jiao, Fanziquan, and Jing Gang Quan.

[@aardvarkhendricks6555]

Professor shahars book should be one of the first to be read in regards to the true history of shaolin martial arts. The shaolin martial arts as we know it, with choreography of movements,seems to be no older then the 15th century CE. It is possible that the origin of choreography based martial arts may be a little older with Daoists practicing in the 14th century CE. As to Chinese martial arts previous to this time period, none seem to have choreography and are primarily based on weapons. All mention of unarmed combat are in reference to bodyguard units for the nobility which weren't battlefield soldiers. The one exception being a Zhou period writing about soldiers being trained in something called "jiao li" or "jiao ti" in relation to wearing a horn helmet used for head butting. I take a slight issue with Adam saying the Current shaolin monks don't practice real shaolin material. Who would know whether the material is authentic or not? He also mentions that they now practice sanda as if that's bad. I'm pretty sure the shaolin monks previous to the current era NEVER practised for competition or engaged in any heavy sparring.

[@ahdomsmith]

great book. I read it last month!

[@VlogTrungTran]

Thanks Sifu Chan.

[@spinningdragontao]

Couldn't agree more; So sad that the Chinese martial arts have had their teeth and claws removed especially in China but you are right there are still some genuine Sifu in China and I hope they manage to pass on their arts fully to keep the dragon alive. With regards to Bodhidharma, in the BBC programme "Way of the Warrior" it is mentioned that a Chinese monk visited the village that Bodhidharma came from 400 years before Bodhidharma was born and on his tomb there are carvings of fighting postures. To my mind it is important for those genuine Chinese martial arts teachers that are still teaching and able to pass on their skills please do so to whomever wants to learn and not just those ethnically similar because Adam Chan is right CMA have lost so much credibility due to wushu. Respect to Mr Chan

[@creightonfreeman8059]

A Song Taizu Quan practitioner I know visited HeNan Shaolin temple around 1980, just after the Cultural Revolution ended. He said nothing was there. Just a few 90 something year old monks who could barely walk, let alone practice gongfu. The lineage was broken. It has all been re-imported. My Zi Ran Men shifu told me his shifu's shifu was arrested and jailed during the cultural revolution. The story is he committed suicide by smashing his head against the stone wall of the prison. It was not a good time to be Chinese martial arts practitioner.

[@VanishingNomad]

The thing is, the Shaolin arts were closely preserved in the surrounding villages. So it all survived all around the Temple. It could be argued that thats where it still lives to this day, as well.

[@manjulasubasingha5421]

Important discussion.. Mr Adam, Can you add subtitles in English to this discussion?

[@callmedavex2]

Where can we find the highest form of Shaolin in your opinion, would we need to go to China or are there any school's that teach it? I forget what you called the style/haven't heard of it before. Thanks Adam! 😃

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

Yes, but what the Shirley Temple? On a more serious question, have Adam talked about his martial arts journey - about what he started with and the different styles he has trained and whom he has trained under/with ?

[@shadowninja569]

Yes his ebook "Path of A Warrior" details all of that check the video description for the link. I have read it and it is pretty awesome.

[@kevinruesch2864]

It's strong possiblity it was one temple but when monks fled some went north some went south so we're speaking about one temple but styles adjusted to environment and who trained in it or taught it

[@MrRourk]

Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philippines.

[@scrtwpnx]

Lol we were definitely training rapier in a secret location during covid

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Dear Sifu Adam, Watching over the years and really, highly appreciating your work, innovations, patience and sharing of training methods, I hope I can respectfully offer a point of constructive criticism, to use or throw away as you like: It seems that both an open mind, and a rigor in learning various perspectives and fact checking on social issues before coming to a conclusion might be lacking. You have zero obligation in this area, it's not your field, but at the same time, if we choose to speak in public on an international platform about such things, then some obligations to ourselves and others may kick in. I won't go through what I may suggest are empirical mistakes and biases about communists, mao or the cultural revolution made in this video, in some arrogant attempt to show you up or start a debate. I would simply say as a voice from nowhere -the faceless ether of the internet - that this might be something you would enjoy boning up on. best regards and thanks.

[@billyray323]

So very true though, Japanese in China, Germans in Their own country, same in UK at times .. Wise words Thank you 😉

[@daboodeef179]

I've never learned from these people just seen some videos but there is Wu Nanfang and Shi Dejian who have preserved some of the legitimate stuff from what I understand

[@MeHowBeatz]

Yes! I'm also trying to find as much as I can about it since a while ago, not necessarily the easiest task, but definitely worth it, I think, cause there's so much principles there, which is clear even to an untrained noob's eye like myself xD But seriously, even if we take the quote from *Yiquan* master *Wang Xiangzhai* [below]: “One should know that a big movement is not as good as a small movement, a small movement is not as good as stillness, one must know that only stillness is the endless movement.” [even if it's a paraphrase, not an actual quote, cause I don't know, maybe it is, must search a bit more, I guess..] it's pretty clear that those small movements are there in the *Wugulun XinYiBa | Wu Gulun Xin Yi Ba* all the time everywhere in what *Wu Nanfang* and *Shi Dejian* has already been kind enough to share with the world, and then, when you see some examples of some of such/similar movements in the videos showing *Jiang Yu Shan* , those principles/patterns are still there [like the small movements, e.g. elbows as close to the body as possible, , rather straight back, the coiling and/or circle types of movements, the six harmonies, even the external - Foot corresponds to Hand, Elbow corresponds to Knee, Shoulder corresponds to Hip and so much more I haven't even discovered yet, cause I've only started the search recently] and of course you can find these/similar movements in video materials with others like: *Chen Geng* [disciple of Wu Nanfang and a senior Coach at the Gulun Kung Fu academy in Dengfeng China] *Hu Zhengsheng* [founder of Shaolin Temple Xinyiba Research Society and the headmaster at the Shaolin Traditional Wushu Institute] and I also found a video with *Shi De Qiang* and even *Shi Heng Yi* and few other masters & practitioners doing some forms/routines from the XinYiBa style/system So I often wonder how many more absolutely unbelievable things like that are actually out there! And about all the internal principles! More than interesting, rather quite mind-blowing :)

[@MeHowBeatz]

Q&A questions to this video: 1. You've mentioned 2 classic Qigong forms - but you pronounced them in a way I've never heard before - is it because of the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese? If yes, was/is that how you pronounce them in Cantonese? I'm asking, cause I'm quite new to the Chinese culture, but I want to learn as much as I possibly can, about the real, authentic, valuable, important and useful things. And are they the ones below? *Yi Jin Jing* [EN: muscle tendon changing] [PL: zmiana ścięgien i mięśni] *Xi Sui Jing* [EN: bone marrow cleansing] [PL: oczyszczanie szpiku kostnego] Also, did you say 'brain marrow washing'? Could you please explain and/or say sth more about it? Cause I've found things like: "A new study strongly suggests that some cells from bone marrow can enter the human brain and generate new neurons and other types of brain cells." somewhere online, but couldn't find and, frankly speaking, never heard of anything like 'brain marrow'. Is it connected anyway in that Qigong practice/exercises? Like, it cleans/cleanses both the bone marrow and the brain somehow? 2. Does the 3rd classic Qigong form, below: *Ba Duan Jin* [EN: improving the respiratory, cardiovascular and immune systems] [PL: poprawa układu oddechowego, sercowo-naczyniowego i odpornościowego] also come from the Shaolin temple? Or from the Wudang? I've seen examples showing that they have both their slightly different versions, but have they had them since like 'always'? I'm wondering where does this form really originate from. 3. Are there any other classic, or maybe a little less known, but also very powerful & useful, Qigong forms? What are their names? What are they for? Where do they originate from? 4. What is the name of the temple you mention at [5:48]? 5. Could you please write down the names of the masters/sifus from your Yiquan lineage that you mention at [6:21]? 6. What is the name of the founder of Yiquan you mention at [7:34]? Is it Wang Xiangzhai? Sorry, just want to make sure, maybe there's somebody else I don't know about and.. oh my.. you've said it fast! :D ;) 7. Could you please write down that phrase 'the best gongfu system in Shaolin' you're mentioning at [7:50]? Also, do you know what was the name of that head monk of the Shaolin temple? 8. Is that system you're mentioning from [7:55] *XinYiBa* | *Xin Yi Ba* and a bit later in the video is it *Xin Yi Liu He Quan* or *Xin Yi Lohan/Luohan Quan* and later *Xin Yi Quan* but, again, it's a Cantonese version of pronunciation? If so, do you know more about this system that you could share here on your yt channel? 9. Could you please write down/share the names of those real masters e.g. in Shanghai that you mention at [9:55]? 10. What is the Chinese name of the One Finger Zen that you mention at [10:19]? Could you write it down, cause there's no way I'm gonna figure it out myself by listening, too fast, Man, too fast ;) nah, I haven't even started learning Chinese, neither Mandarin nor Cantonese, that's the real 'why' I can't figure it out here :D ;) Is it Shaolin Nei Jing Yi Zhi Chan Qigong? I would appreciate your answers so much, as it would be such a huge help in my current and further journey in the world of martial arts and would guide me and hint me towards further search and study. Thank you so much for another very very interesting video material, as well as all the previous ones - I must watch them as soon as possible, cause every next video I watch here, proves that it's gonna be so worth the time & effort to go through all of them, as you clearly contribute to the community, being another huge yt channel with real, authentic, super helpful martial arts content! Btw, absolutely loved the: "Oh yeah? We're not aloud? ... Can't let this [the martial arts] die." and that note about being careful not to be a disgrace to one's ancestors. Universal and timeless.

[@MeHowBeatz]

@darkwing dook Thank you 🙂🙏

[@prout123456789123456]

hey ! Did he got back to you? I would love to have those infos :)

[@MeHowBeatz]

@@prout123456789123456 No answer here and I haven't sent any email, at least not yet, but if I do and I get any reply on priv, I will let you know, but probably if they read the questions, in an email or here, if they/Adam decides to answer, it's probably gonna be in a public way, so you will know anyway, but yeah, would love to have those infos too :)

[@juliengralepois577]

Nice video ! Maybe you can discuss with sifu kanishka about the training and martial application in the temple of Shaolin, he is a 34th disciples and his stuff looks real

[@thelifeandtimesofjames4273]

So with that in mind. What is a good shaolin Kung fu film?

[@game9848]

The 36 Chamber of Shaolin. Staring actor Gordan Liu.

[@thelifeandtimesofjames4273]

@@game9848 superb I agree but good by these standards? Unsure.

[@game9848]

13 minutes of FACTS. Adam Chan video's are a breath of fresh air...amongst some of these KZbin MARTIAL artists...

[@pardonthedank]

when did Americans Outlaw Martial Arts on Okinawa? It was the Japanese who invaded and made royal families into peasants and force to work in the sugar cane fields. Which is why all Okinawa kubudo is based on farming tools. Okinawa's had to hide karate and they hid it thru dance. I would love to know more on Americans banning Karate on the Island of Okinawa and a source for this info. thank you

[@DrTzeus]

Budo ban, 1945-1950...after WWII.

[@scratchthesurface8084]

to the one about the scandals stop it youre disgracing the ancestors, bring back the real shaolin, make shaolin great again XD sorry no serioulsy adam i hate how the internet doesnt value such knowledge more i hope you guys will always continoue your videos your the you and chris are the socrates and platos of the modern martial arts ages :'D

[@houseofkungfu2543]

Hans are hakka. Learn some hakka fist. I did and never looked back

[@snowissj]

Brutal is a nice way to put it.😢😢😢

[@giuseppienad2632]

Sanda is not real kung fu? Lol

[@NYCNathan]

It is definitely not

[@giuseppienad2632]

@@NYCNathan on what basis? Because clearly Sanda is heavily based on Chinese Martial Arts. The creators or piomeees of Sanda (depending on what phase) were masters of several styles.

[@watamutha]

@@giuseppienad2632 I think he means it's not real kung fu as in the traditional sense. I would agree with him, the movements are not at all similar to Chinese kung fu movements, more similar to kickboxers/muay thai with some throws in there.

[@giuseppienad2632]

@@watamutha "More similar to kickboxing and Muay Thai" A real CMA has 4 fundamental skills...Striking, Kicking, Throws and Submissions (Ti, Da, Na, Shuai. Take note Striking and Kicking aka "Kickboxing". Also the techniques in kickboxing and muay thai are similar in TCMA. Straight punch, hook punches, uppercuts, overhand, body punches, back fist, spinning back, fist, hammer punch, front kick, side kick, roundhouse are all basic kickboxing techniques which are found in TCMA. The 8 elbows of muay thai are found in many TCMA especially in Baguazhang and bajiquan. The joint locks and throws are very common in all chinese martial arts. Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji, Mantis, Hung gar....ALL REAL chinese martial arts have grappling and throws. So when a real kung fu guy fights in a ring....expect it to look like kickboxing or like a MMA fighter. Also, the pioneers of Sanshou and Modern Sanda were REAL kung fu masters who fought in tourrnaments and cross trained with other styles (Jiang Haoquan, Zeng Qinghuang and his student Chinese MMA pioneer Zhao Qiurong who is Xu Xiaodong's master) So, do pray tell which part of sanda has no "kung fu moves"?

[@watamutha]

@@giuseppienad2632 The argument TCMA masters make is that wushu and sanda have lost all the characteristics of the individual arts. Take Eagle Claw for example, its main feature is its 108 locks..that doesnt exist in either wushu or sanda. Every art has its own essence thats gone with the post-Mao era.