Where to Take The Batman Next

[@thesigmamale2134]

Hopefully not towards joker. At first I was concerned that would be the case given that scene towards the end of the movie. Thankfully though the director has clarified this isn't the case and was just world building (excited to see the Hannibal lecter like scene that got cut which imo is better than the joker scene they left in from what it sounds like) don't get me wrong I like joker but I'm a bit fatigued of his character. Given batman extensive and great rouge gallery.

[@Igor19485]

Joker is the most famous villain in the world. To me a Batman trilogy or whatever doesn't make sense without at least one movie with Joker as the main villain, he pushes Batman to the edge.

[@kingshinobi3501]

@@Igor19485 they never said he wasn’t going to be in the trilogy

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@Igor19485 you got Dark Knight for that, we’ve had Joker in 3 forms in less than 10 years…enough already Batman has more villains to challenge him in the rouges gallery, not to mention the cartoons in the last couple years

[@riseofazrael]

Matt Reeves said there was a scene they cut that featured the Batman going to Arkham to speak to the Joker to help build a psychological profile on The Riddler. It was apparently cut and Matt Reeves put the end Joker scene in instead.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@riseofazrael Matt Reeves said he’s gonna release that scene online eventually

[@Crick1952]

I think a Court of Owls with Hugo Strange film is the most likely for the sequel. They can do some setup and world building in the Arkham show and build up to a full Arkham Asylum break out with a whole rogue's gallery to fight in future movies. Which would be a great way to introduce our first Robin. Court of Owls and Strange would also force him to embrace the Bruce Wayne persona more and force him to grow.

[@harrylane4]

Not doing *something* with Arkham in the future would be strange given they completely rewrote Martha Wayne to be an Arkham. Strange seems like the next step, or perhaps an overarching villain for two movies

[@danschriver75]

I dont understand how batman can get bested by the riddler in the first film and then be able to fight the court in the second.... the flooded city is much more of a catalyst for the bruce wayne persona than anything involving the court.. and you want to introduce robin simply as help because of an Arkham breakout.? not because he feels the need to protect a young man from turning into vengeance...?? you dont think the flooded city of gotham and new power struggle would force bruce to embrace his family's philanthropic persona.? you dont think that's what he meant when he said he needed to to be a symbol of hope? the last thing we want is another convoluted mess like the amazing spiderman 2 because you wanted batman to fight his version of the sinister 6... we are in a perfect place to introduce victor fries. we cant be introducing the court of owls or having an Arkham breakout when the riddler literally just used the batman as a pawn in his own little chess game.. bruce needs to actually embrace the new change in the status quo before he can be introduced to the court. the riddler almost broke bruce.. the court will break him. it's too soon. and robin needs to be someone bruce feels the need to protect. not just a soldier. especially if you're introducing dick.. and again. a flooded city and power struggle is a perfect place to introduce a young man that just lost his family.... why flood the city and explain the power struggle after falcones death if the second film takes place in Arkham? this universe is far too grounded to have a prison break of 30 major villains all with wierd gimmicks.. it takes time to ground characters. you cant just throw out mad hatter dollmaker scarecrow bane and puppet master and think audiences wont be confused.. the joker isnt even the joker yet and you're telling me the next movie is going to have a prison break of multiple villains that batman has personally already locked up and given "made up" names? gtfoh

[@srijdafrij1272]

Robin joins the universe, and is a psycho-child assassin trained by court of owls(problems with his own mental health and happiness cuz his childhood is literally just killing everyone), who Batman changes through friendship, then their relationship blossoms into father son. I want that. :)

[@Nothing_serious]

Court of Owls should be in the in final film not second.

[@RollercoasterWriter]

I think these could work because they are more grounded villainous forces in the Batman canon and would slot more easily into Reeves’ film world than more fantastic villains like Clayface, Poison Ivy or Mr Freeze. Part of me really does want Manbat tho

[@saifsufian4286]

If we’re going for a more horror aesthetic, I would love to see Scarecrow. He’s just grounded enough to not feel out of place but he doesn’t have to be too realistic.

[@danielwhite6543]

Thank you somebody has finally said it!!! I feel like the scarecrow we saw in the Arkham games would be perfect for this series

[@Kweku0]

@@danielwhite6543 I’ve heard people hate on Arkham Knight but I absolutely loved it. Scarecrow is such a good villain in it.

[@danielwhite6543]

@@Kweku0 I loved him too i don’t get it at all

[@fatherwilliam]

YES, Scarecrow would be absolutely perfect

[@knackis2116]

Not that I'm necessarily advocating for this, but it *could* be a way to show distorted, Scarecrow-induced images/flashbacks from Bruce's past and his origin, for those who really want to see the same old scene again. Personally I might find it interesting if there's a clear spin on it - emphasise Bruce's guilt; make it play out with Bruce as the killer; show what could happen if the Batman goes too far. Or something like that. It needs to be used for psychological insight and not just be a rehash.

[@JoelsCreed141]

I feel like Mr Freeze would be a really good follow up, he’s got one of the best stories of any of Batman’s rogues. Going against Mr Freeze would also allow for Bruce to develop further into a more heroic role, Freeze’s story is one that he can empathize with and not necessarily just be another evil or psychotic personality. Bringing in Dick Grayson would also be great because we haven’t gotten to see a good Robin on the silver screen and he’s a character that deserves just as much justice. Dick would allow for Bruce to develop further as he would know exactly what that trauma would do and how it can shape a person so he would train and teach Dick how to overcome it so that he doesn’t become like himself

[@Vor567tez]

Honestly I think The Batman is perfect to establish the bat family .

[@srijdafrij1272]

idk about mr.freeze. he sounds like a goofy character ngl, a bit unrealistic in a realistic batman world. I want them to keep outta the fantasy aspect of it. but mostly cuz he goofy i think. how can they make aa character like him serious, idk.

[@jfinal2434]

Personally I think hush is perfect in this world.

[@minato_arisato3751]

@@srijdafrij1272 are you joking?

[@mach3wgamer]

This slow walking Batman wouldn't stand a chance against mr freeze lol He needs to be more of a ninja at that point. Maybe this is where Robin can come in. But thus Bruce Wayne is still on the young side.

[@timbobo8459]

I want to see a serious film interpretation of "Heart of Ice". It was such moody, pulp-y reinvention of a villian in the animated series. I think it would translate well to the world of The Batman.

[@Batt-man]

I am worried about that just because of how ‘realistic’ they are trying to be

[@DA11AZ]

@@Batt-man they would find a way that would still fit his character. They wouldn't just change his character entirely

[@KillahMate]

@@Batt-man There's lots of talk of 'realism', but I feel that the movie isn't really trying to be all that realistic. 'Grounded' maybe, yeah, but Freeze is very doable in this 90s horror-thriller mode that Reeves seems to be going for.

[@bettyschwallocks6805]

YES

[@JoeLoquacious]

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[@PinkSalmon]

I would love to see Anarky. He’s not a well known villain, but a very cool villain nonetheless. Anarky would fit in with Reeves vision of Gotham, dark and political focused. I could also see Professor Pyg.

[@flamesofchaos13]

Yes they would fit well indeed.

[@Mothlocks]

Prof pyg was terrifying in Arkham Knight, it would fit with the detective parts too

[@SalviLok213]

It sounds interesting but I feel like the Riddler in this movie was pretty similar to anarchy

[@lukefloor]

i’d like to see mr freeze

[@wndt]

I think black mask could fit in pretty well in the dark Gotham we see. Have him always have a spotless white suit to stand out from the grime and grit of Gotham and we could follow his arc through the movie and by the end he gets desperate and his suit gets dirtier as the movie goes on

[@inionanbas615]

If we keep the grounded element, Hush seems like an obvious choice given the easter eggs/groundwork. But he’d work best with other villains in the forefront. Professor pyg, mad hatter, and scarface could work really well in that role.

[@yurifairy2969]

Professor Pyg with elements of Jeffrey Dahmer, kinda like how Riddler took inspiration from the zodiac killer.

[@JooshMaGoosh]

Hush would be great along with mad hatter. I hope we see a more meaningful scarecrow at some point.

[@tootsie702]

I honestly think the hush storyline should be the end of the trilogy and have the second movie setup a lot more characters that come out due to falcones death like having killer croc being penguins muscle or black mask being introduced just to transition easier to the third movie

[@crispychip1307]

Nick Cage I think said he wanted in, and his Professor Pyg would be way too much fun.

[@qabio]

@@crispychip1307 nic said he wants to play egghead

[@akitta2704]

I would love to see scarecrow. He fits perfectly with the "horror" and "fear is a tool" aesthetic.

[@jamesbrennan7057]

With a design based on the new adventures of Batman

[@SwimmerInBlue]

Would LOVE to see the Court of Owls! Imagining that the Riddler's actions so disrupted the corrupt web of Gotham that it forces the Court out from the shadows just enough to get Batman's attention, and while that is all going on, Hugo is at Arkham fiddling with human experimentation - all leading up to a Film2 reveal that the Joker has been manipulating shit all along, cliffhanger showing an Asylum breakout, and on to film 3 for a finale.

[@onick9250]

exactly

[@CaughtInTheLoop]

Sounds great

[@offspringfan1288]

Bruh that’s dope. You need to write a treatment for this scenario.

[@rudranaik2431]

court of owls is already coming in gotham knights so it will just overdose that group of villains

[@abhijiththampi]

I feel like court of owls is a bit premature. Its ome of the rare times batman was really overwhelmed and had required help from everyone on the bat family. To really make people understand the threat the court poses, and to stop them, you also need to develop the bat family more and that'll take more than a few films.

[@weeaboojones2451]

I think that the Court of Owls is the perfect final enemy for this trilogy, they have already shown how corrupted the GCPD was, so adding a secret society behind all that could work, but for the second movie I think they heavily hinted Hush and he perfectly fits the realistic setting of this universe

[@yobilivingstone7329]

its whatever fits the current climate, if we're in conspiracy times (fueled by the 2010s wikileaks, NSA, banking bailout, the deep state. onto pandemic) then Court of Owls resonates. Currently in a rejuvenation of the liberal Western Democracies owed to the Russo-Ukraine war. Less exposing conspiracies within institutions and more, stopping a despot planning atrocities from a bunker. Joker pulling strings from Arkham Asylum would resonate, as would a rogue gallery war (internal conflict). Not always the case but when US and UK invaded Iraq, the British went from being the main villains in hollywood movies to being geeky sidekicks, arrogant but ambitious rivals that come around at the end and help to take down the main foreign villain.

[@weeaboojones2451]

@@yobilivingstone7329 So this is why american cinema is so mediocre holy shit

[@mach3wgamer]

It would too similar too soon.

[@renardfox328]

I couldn't agree more. I think Bruce could become more of a public figure throughout the second movie. By the third movie, just as in Court of Owls, Bruce and Batman are both well established in Gotham. Bruce's confidence and optimism is actually pretty high in the beginning. Until it all comes crashing down again...

[@Victor-qx3vx]

I’d love to see Clayface as a tragic secondary villain. Mads Mikkelsen would do a good job playing him I think.

[@rsdillbot3646]

I actually think mads would be amazing at Mr freeze if Patrick Stewart is too old to play him

[@d4nnylaflame896]

@@rsdillbot3646 Patrick was too old to play him 30 years ago bud

[@barry2349]

@@rsdillbot3646 bro Patrick Stewart was never eligible for Mr freeze

[@OnlyMichaelSparrow]

I think mads would be better as a mr.freeze

[@Littleton3513]

Glad I’m not the only one who thought of Clayface, I also want to see Two Face again, but Bane might be a better option for a future film 😕

[@rc_awesome]

I think that Scarecrow would make a good villain for the sequel. With Batman turning to hope as a way to inspire the people, someone stepping into his old place of fear might be interesting to see Matt Reeves play around with. I think it would be cool if we saw him take a more active role as the villain instead of working from the shadows, using his fear gas as parallelism to what Batman was in the first movie. I also think it would be the perfect opportunity for Robert Pattinson to finish “I am vengeance” by saying “I am the night. I am Batman”.

[@masonelford8646]

I really love the dark grounded reality in this story and I believe in Matt Reeves to fit Mr. Freeze in as a strong, extremely sympathetic antagonist. Keep the focus on Bruce’s growth though. Bruce dealing with this sympathetic freeze, could cause more growth for our layered hero.

[@Jim-Mc]

I keep wondering how to do Freeze without too much sci-fi technology though. But at the same time, I don't like a regular guy who just enjoys the cold. He needs his suit and helmet. I think a less powerful Freeze wouldn't be cool. 😄

[@storm5ds68]

I'd love to have Mr. Freeze movie about something like him wrecking the criminal underworld to get enough money to keep himself alive and to fund research for a cure for his wife. something I'd like to have along with Freeze would probably be to introduce Dick Grayson Robin, even if Dick's Robin is more closely tied to someone like Two-Face rather than Mr. Freeze lmao

[@nvsbeatbox3949]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIiYppmKiNigr6M This video answers your question how can mr freeze be realistically made

[@communitycollegeofharvard6198]

If they can pull off the riddler, I want to see them pull off less used people, Man-bat, Mr Freeze, scarecrow, hush, clay face, and maybe start giving Batman some side kicks, but do it well

[@papayani6446]

I dont see it, turbo. Obviously this batman is a more realistic, grounded depiction of batman. I dont see how a character of clayface, or mr freeze could fit in there. Unless the director wants to take it to the next level and start designing monsters.

[@communitycollegeofharvard6198]

@@papayani6446 Scarecrow, and hush would fit well

[@papayani6446]

@@communitycollegeofharvard6198 i agree. But im all for it if they wanna make it more extreme and bring villains like freezer or clayface.

[@emilymcplugger]

@Papa Yani The Boris Karlo version (with no superpowers as such) could be a great foil for Batman’s detective side. Appearing as a frail old man, a tragic ham actor, but being anything but. I imagine someone older as an action star would fit the bill. Liam Neeson, perhaps, who could (judging by memory) pull-off being someone seemingly losing it, but really being in complete control of his faculties.

[@ODMUSH]

If i had to pick i’d go with Mr Freeze! The city is underwater and the city has hit a low point, maybe with what happened that’s how his wife came to a coma and Mr Freeze deserves a great portrayal on the big screen, he’s one of the best villains

[@bayek8377]

and it would be cool if mr freezes exploits lead to penguin becoming a more powerful gangster since ya know, penguins thrive in wet icy environments

[@HomosexuaCalderu]

Since it's underwater, I could also see Killer Croc in it

[@hydrocritical2268]

Gotham rebuilding only to be set in flames by Firefly would be nice seeing as it’s a new character and is the opposite of a flood. Maybe Batman stops it to show how he’s grown like in tdk with the bombs joker has in the boats or Batman can’t stop it all and shows how vulnerable he is.

[@bryanperalta7816]

Trueeee ,that wouldnt be bad at all

[@dominicscreativefilms]

Court of owls and hugo strange would really fit. I do agreed that the court of owls plot was already loosly used in the batman, but they could still be used as a reaction to how the riddled shook things up. As for Hugo, he would definitely fit the tone for this batman and with that ending teasing the riddled and joker, I could see Hugo being at the asylum studying the inmates, Batman has to go there to investigate a crime, and all these characters would have a reason to interact with each other within the story. I'd also love to see a more serious take on Mr.Freeze because that character is so tragic, and yet, has not been done justice on the big screen.

[@bigblackjay900]

I think it's too soon for the court, in the comics it took the whole bat family to take them out this Batman, where he is at now, would get destroyed completely, batman understood his methods were inspiring the wrong people so the next film would be a good opportunity to introduce a main sympathetic villain like Mr. Freeze

[@Rico401Prov]

Deathstoke would be better

[@mattcollins3591]

Can we just admire the brilliance and masterful filmmaking that was this film? It was beautiful

[@HeWhoLaugths]

It was SO good!

[@jakubrejak1114]

Legit artistic.

[@phatmantv]

Fart noises, followed by burps. This movie gave me gas...

[@riseofazrael]

From a technical film making perspective, it was a joy to watch. The framing of the shots and overall camera work was great, I really liked all the mounted camera POV shots. The cinematography was gorgeous and the colour grading was amazing, the contrast between the black all the colour looked so good. I also really liked how they used the music in the movie. Can't believe how good this turned out to be.

[@JoeLoquacious]

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[@PancakeTime42]

Professor Pyg in my opinion would be a perfect fit for this new take on Gotham. Gritty and horror like villain, that can easily be heightened for the film.

[@GarysReview]

Glad you are talking about what you love, even if it’s a few videos in a row. Your perspective is always wonderful to tune in to. Loved The Batman and I’m pretty excited for the future!

[@JoeLoquacious]

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[@GmanZer0]

I can see it going two ways: 1. They could go with the "gangster power-struggle". Kinda of like how the ending of the movie was hinting. Where penguin can be the main protagonist but other gangsters are introduced in it. I definitely love to see black mask(jon bernthal as him) in it as another big theat like the penguin. Maybe a couple other ones like "the great white shark" and "Roland Desmond" as supporting characters. Could even do a plot twist where Alberto falcone has been pulling all the strings. 2. They could keep going with the serial killer vibe. There's two that come to mind as the main focus (maybe both?). The Calendar Man would definitely be a great choice. They gave him some great detective-style stories. The other choice is Victor Zsasz, in the past they've treated his character poorly. But his stories are very brutal and creepy. He definitely make a good rated-R detective batman movie, similar to "se7en".

[@binhlevu5653]

With the end of the movie strong implied an adaptation of the No Man Land story arc. I would love see a continuation of such storyline. I hope it will give the james gordon the spotlight he deserves which we haven't been able to see on a live action adaptation besides from gotham. No man's land is also an opportunity to introduce villains such as two face and scarerow of which will be a welcome addition to the new trilogy. The possibility is endless, as long as matt reeves is allowed to be completely in charge of the franchise, we will be in for a treat

[@GmanZer0]

@@binhlevu5653 that's crazy you mentioned that, because I always wanted a james gordon movie or 2-3 part movie. I had a title for it "The Rise and Fall of James Gordon" and I had a beginning and ending but now no man's land would be a great middle. Have the first one solely based on "batman year one" story arc. Then the ending would be based on "The black mirror" story arc. But it would be hard to choose who to play him.

[@aaroncrilly2005]

I hope we see his technology and costumes getting more developed and detailed with each passing movie

[@docha649]

Also maybe introducing the forearm blades. I liked that he didn’t have them as this is his second year as Batman.

[@knightonart8886]

@@docha649 But he does have them. Look closer.

[@bmoney20]

@@docha649 he has them

[@andrewli6606]

I really want the actual cape glider. Him having a squirrel wingsuit just made it feel like an echo of Bale Batman, especially when used in a similar manner to escape police, but less epic and iconic. Like cape > wingsuit easily.

[@JoeLoquacious]

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[@Didgets]

The Ventriloquist/Scarface is my favorite choice, and underrated. He is twisted and chilling and would keep the horror elements that made the first one great. He would also be a good fit for the mafia power grab hinted at the end of the first movie.

[@brianandrews7736]

I also thought that Hugo Strange would be a great villain for this series before I even saw this video. However, I think having a more flashy, well known villain in the movie to highten actions scenes. That’s why I think Killer Croc serving as strange’s bodyguard/hit man would be awesome.

[@spacecotheque5003]

+ imagine how disturbing it would be to have a killer croc conceptualized artificially from birth by hugo as a failed science experiment and he raised him to be his bodyguard that is mentally deranged yet controlled

[@mrm9570]

Legend, was literally saying that too

[@mattpiercey1576]

Could also have Professor Pyg as Strange's scientist while Strange is more of a psychologist like in Arkham City

[@osmanyousif7849]

How about Solomon Grundy? Especially since people are still not over what happened to Killer Croc in Suicide Squad….

[@Rafael_Peixoto]

Well the batman two could use Mr Scarface as a side villain, that guy could look seriously disturbing in live action

[@king_supreme1102]

Reeves already said he’s interested in Mr. Freeze. I would absolutely love that tragic story in the sequel.

[@theultimatenerd3767]

I think Dick Grayson would be really good for this Batman. This Bruce still isn't really helping Gotham as Bruce Wayne yet but Dick Grayson could get him here. Have Bruce adopt Dick in the next film and him adopting a child despite not really doing much before isn't too much of a stretch because of Bruce's reaction at the beginning of the Batman when he sees that kid and what he learns about Riddler's origin it's totally believable he'd do it think I've put the kid in a nice house done the nice thing back to being Batman. Be a little neglectful so Dick can figure out Bruce is hiding something and stumble into the Batcave. From there Bruce trains him to be his sidekick but not as Robin yet. He trains him to be just like him but he really hates beig really violent and severely injuring the criminals. Gets the Robin suit at the end of the film saves Batman from the villain helps Bruce beat him without going as overboard with beating people up as Bruce. Have people in Gotham immediately like Robin because he interacts wih them instead of being silent and terrifying. Bruce realises Batman isn't the only way to help Gotham. To further this have the villain be someone like mister Freeze. Nora's dying and his work on the cure got destroyed during the end of the first film. Victor got more desperate to work on the cure and ended up killing people. Alfred and Robin realise that Wayne Enterprises has the resources to help and that could convince Victor to stop. Bruce doesn't think it would work and the focus should be on stopping Victor from killing anyone. Freeze is beating Batman about to kill him. Robin shows up says he knows people at Wayne Enterprises who could help and reveals he woke Nora up and she's ok with his plan. Robins careless as if he's not careful Nora would die but recognises that not everything can be solved with vigilantism and Bruce Wayne has value because it was Bruce Wayne who saved him not Batman. Find a cure for Nora and Victor turns himself in. Bruce realises that it was Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson who saved the day this time not Batman. Starts helping Gotham as Bruce Wayne. I think this works because the first film had him become a better Batman and it makes sense for the sequel to be him becoming a better Bruce Wayne and I think Robin is a great way to do that. Also Nightwing is DC's best character and not using him as one of the most important characters in a film series is ridiculous to me.

[@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR]

See I like this but I'm not a fan of Bruce needing Robin to remind himself he's overly violent. I thought that was part of his arc here where he realized vengeance wasn't working and it only inspired the wrong people who used it as an excuse to kill. Generally speaking, Batman in the comics isn't overly violent and tends to use minimal violence as he quickly subdues criminals. He even tried ensuring Jason doesn't go overboard as he was often pretty violent as Robin (as demonstrated in Under the Red Hood animated film). To add, Batman towards the end of the film stays with that girl and comforts her until the end and this is a big contrast to the beginning where he saves that mugging victim but leaves him scared because his priority at the time was scaring criminals.

[@theultimatenerd3767]

@@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR this isn't Bruce learning not to be overly violent. He's learnt that already. It's him learning there's different ways to help Gotham than being Batman. Even a Batman who isn't violent is very different than Dick Grayson. Seeing his approach to crime and having a villain Bruce Wayne can stop shows him there are multiple different ways to help Gotham. Which isn't what he learned in the first film. The end of the first film was him actually helping Gotham as Batman after accidentally inspiring Riddler. He still only has his Batman approach. I doubt the next film will have him suddenly quipping with the villains and having full conversations with cops at crime scenes he's just a more positive version of Batman. He still needs the Bruce Wayne part of his character and I think Dick Grayson would help him realise that.

[@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR]

@@theultimatenerd3767 My apologies but I was thrown off by this; "He trains him to be just like him but he really hates being really violent and severely injuring the criminals. Gets the Robin suit at the end of the film saves Batman from the villain helps Bruce beat him without going as overboard with beating people up as Bruce."

[@theultimatenerd3767]

@@DAREDEVIL-MANWITHOUTFEAR yeah that really doesn't make much sense but I'm thinking Bruce is less violent then he was in the first film but still just hits the person until there down. So instead of doing what he does in the first film where he knocks the guy down with a punch and continues to punch him after Bruce walks up and punches the guy until he's down. Robins strategy is use his athletic ability to dodge the attacks and get a couple of lucky hits that knock the guy down without just punching him in the face. Bruce is nowhere near as violent as he was in the first film but still has Batman's fighting style. Robin finds his own that's less aggressive and sometimes thinks there's ways to stop the villain without fighting them whilst that's still Bruce's default solution until Robin proves his style works showing Bruce there's multiple ways to stop crime and one of them is being Bruce Wayne. Doubt this makes much sense but in my head it feels like it follows on from the first film well.

[@Jim-Mc]

The Flying Graysons could be an act at a mob run casino in this version. Like Cirque du Solei in Las Vegas. Then they cross the wrong people and get their act sabotaged. Each Grayson had a bird name in their show, Hawk, Falcon, Sparrow etc. Dick keeps his.

[@CalvinChikelue]

Your pick for Hugo Strange actually helped me finally gel an idea for including my personal sequel pick: Poison Ivy (played by Laverne Cox in my ideal version). Like you suggested, the more metahuman aspects could take if applied in the right way. Hugo Strange could be head Arkham psychologist & instead of genetic experiments, his experiments would all be psychological. He could skirt & run over the line of ethics often with his patients & might get fascinated by the latent abilities of Ivy & her connection to plant life. The voices of her kin crying out after whatever circumstances grant her power could be what drives her to breakdown & be admitted to the Asylum. Despite intuitively knowing that humanity is the cause for the suffering of a lot of the plant realm, her tenuous connection to her human side would conflict with her doing anything about it at first. In comes Strange, probing deliberately at that vulnerability & triggering her ultimate tragic embrace of her desire to be a sword for mother nature using her powers for violence & destruction. With the film's thesis about this being a Batman seeking to be more empathetic of plight rather than just a violent avenger, it could lead to potentially great scenes with Batman trying his hardest to restore that human part of herself & ultimately uncover the covered-up patient abuse going on in Arkham by Strange's hand.

[@tylerbrown5526]

I see Strange as a mastermind type character. He needs a brute to enforce. They could tie him to Clayface and have him be the one who administered the treatment for him.

[@rudranaik2431]

yeah having hugo strange pull some strings and taking hints from arkham city movie can be really good

[@kevingriffith6011]

I could easily see Strange dangling a cure he doesn't have over Clayface's head to get clayface to do his bidding.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

Croc, Clayface, Langstroms Bat, Bane, Victor Frieze could all be lab experiments paid for by the court of Owls run by Hugo Strange, Jonathan Crane and Jervis Tetch. Batman goes to Arkham to help deal with his growing addiction to Venom, Hugo sees the potential in Venom, decides to ''help'' Batman. Batman is nearly driven insane but defeats Hugo and his creations only to realize the true nemesis was still free in the background, the court of owls :P

[@EasternE6762]

Also Hugo could be the one who created Killer Croc in this universe. Having Croc as this failed experiment by Hugo and is now running (or should I say swimming) loose in a flooded Gotham

[@camzilla_does_music834]

After playing Arkham City again I was extremely intrigued by Victor Zsasz, he's very creepy, and he's basically killing because he wants to. I feel he'll fit very well in this universe

[@flamesofchaos13]

Yeah he would but I think more as a secondary villain not a main one.

[@camzilla_does_music834]

@@flamesofchaos13 yeah maybe he takes him down in the beginning of the movie

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@camzilla_does_music834 No he could be a villain throughout just like Falcone/Penguin...Just not the main one like Riddler and his cult were. Like maybe half way.

[@Rico401Prov]

Deathstoke as main villain with Zsasz as secondary. Would be wild

[@GizmosHouse]

A snowy setting would be cool or bringing in fantastical characters with more of a body-horror aesthetic to have it blend in with the realism

[@Luca_Talis]

Yes, and Scarecrow I think

[@kliphord123X]

Imma say this again but seeing other fantastical batman related vilians is so hard to see after this film tbh.

[@Jim-Mc]

I want to see Harvey Bullock (Jonah Hill?), definitely Hugo Strange (as a sadistic Arkham doctor) and brief appearances by Penguin and Joker. Yes, Joker needs to just pop up at the worst times and cause havoc, as in The Long Halloween, rather than be a primary antagonist in these.

[@GizmosHouse]

@@kliphord123X The Iron Man films leaned more towards fantasy towards the end so I have a little hope but I'd be ok if they stuck with this grounded reality

[@kliphord123X]

@@GizmosHouse yeah same but in terms of his own films trilogy like the in iron man 3 wasn't too fantastical to me at least.

[@antoniolucas2292]

Looking at the fact that Bruce Wayne barely appears And doesnt seem to want to, Hush would be perfect, Just imagine, Batman starts to see Bruce Wayne around, attending to events that he does not remember being at, doing things he does not recall doing, And that starts to make him think hes totally going insane, meanwhile Hush uses the influence of Bruce Wayne's name to do whatever he wants, i think This would make for a great plot, plus It would develop the importance of balancing his life as Batman And as Bruce Wayne, but again, that's Just my Idea

[@wwCs49]

Would absolutely love for this to eventually build towards the court of owls. Feels like the perfect final boss for this Batman after they touched on his family history/legacy in this first one. Also, I know everyone is saying how grounded this universe is, but for me it also feels so "comic booky" along with the tone/mood feeling like there’s room for some occult/light mysticism too

[@bloodmemes]

I honestly have a huge wish to see scarecrow, i think he can fit very well with that dark scary vibe that the batman has

[@jcboyle82]

I’m surprised no one ever brings up the Ventriloquist. He’d be perfect in this noir Gotham. I also think Solomon Grundy’s whole 7-day schtick can be adapted to a serial killer with a touch of a supernatural vibe.

[@dingus2k]

I’ve been saying this non stop since seeing the movie, the other pick for me is Mr. Freeze because he seems more likely, but Ventriloquist is a fave of mine.

[@galactic85]

I don't want them to turn Solomon grundy unto just another serial killer. All of batman villains are slowly being turned into just "the joker but with (insert random gimmick here)" Solomon grundy is cool because he is a zombie.

[@jcboyle82]

@@galactic85 I don’t disagree. But if you breakdown most batman villains, they are just mass killers with gimmicks. Solomon Grundy being a resurrecting zombie based on a nursery rhyme is interesting and, IMO, could make for an interesting killer. I like when detectives suddenly realize they are dealing with rules beyond our normal understanding. It may also be an interesting and grounded introduction to the Lazarus Pits.

[@JazziG59]

Agreed. Scarface could be so creepy in live action form. He’s perfect for this universe. Clay face would be great too because he can change his face. Don’t need the hulking monster version.

[@jcboyle82]

@@JazziG59 totally agreed. Maybe it’s a more subtle clayface. Like botched plastic surgery made his facial muscles really pliable or something kinda thing, not just a muddy Sandman.

[@FourDozenEggs]

I'd love to see Scarecrow done justice. He was just sorta there in the Nolan films.

[@elfsieben1450]

Yes and yes.

[@juanclusellas2566]

I have no clue how they could pull this off, but one villain I've always liked that hasn't got its fair share in live action is the mad hatter. Hes the right mix of goofy and the capability for real darkness that i feel would really thrive in reeves' Gotham.

[@dingus2k]

i like mad hatter too, i worry he’s a bit similar to the riddler or joker, but maybe that could be cool to have all three show up at some point if they distinguish the three well.

[@ethanjobson3879]

I’ve been calling for this for a while. If they lean into the science aspect of the mind control stuff with Mad Hatter being a scientist, it could work great. If they made Mr. Freeze work in BTAS and Riddler work in the Batman, they can definitely make Mad Hatter work.

[@ethanjobson3879]

Go for the scientist/science mind control aspect to distinguish him.

[@SP8inc]

And his desperate, stalker-y 'love' for Alice, and his feelings of loneliness, etc. It's honestly a creepily tragic tale too, because lets be honest, who hasn't been lonely and looking for someone to love? It's a feeling we've all felt. But what happens when that need goes too far? Add to that the mind control thing and it basically writes itself. But I would do it in combination of more characters in the movie.

[@JazziG59]

Man-Bat would make for a fantastic movie similar to The Fly 1986. The list in my head just keeps going. I could see so many of the villains from the animated series working in Matt Reeves universe.

[@keithrobertbantug754]

Clay face and Hugo Strange are great picks!! Personally tho I would love to see Mr. Freeze in the sequel. He can provide commentary on the healthcare system and add in a fantastical aspect

[@IcyDiamond]

And when Joker shows up he can maybe represent mental healthcare? Or maybe even Two-Face could represent that IDK

[@keithrobertbantug754]

@@IcyDiamond Yeah!!! And Two Face would be great at also developing Bruce Wayne’s side

[@IcyDiamond]

@@keithrobertbantug754 There we go! He’d kill two birds with one stone

[@BriantheWolverine]

Matt Reeves said he would love to do Mr. Freeze, and I’m all for it. That character needs some redemption on the big screen. I also wouldn’t mind them doing Killer Croc, or The Court of Owls, or Hugo Strange. Hell any combo of them would be great too.

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

Thank you for validating my thoughts on Joker being in the film. I understand that he’s Batman’s #1 villain, and he’s probably the most profitable bad guy in all of media, but good lord can we finally start recognizing Batman’s other fantastic lineup?

[@SmallvilleStudio]

I liked how you mentioned Hugo’s tendency to experiment on people, and I feel that clay-face being a result of Hugo’s experiments would fit very well into this universe. I feel that calendar man would only work if he was just a murder or something that’s based off the calendar or something because he’s a character that feels too silly and comic book-y

[@corismos9131]

I feel like we can have Hugo strange as the main villian plus man bat as the secondary villian, they can both fit tonally. Plus having man bat as a Hugo strange experiment would be cool to me

[@stephengontis1517]

Or Killer Croc, imo

[@kuyt3400]

@@stephengontis1517 or both

[@ThreeProphets]

Whomever you choose, it is absolutely vital that they are capable of major societal impact. Gotham City itself is a main character in this interpretation, and she must grow just as much as everyone else. It's also important to consider the state the city was left in at the end. Will they manipulate the angry second class citizens to take revenge on Batman for allowing this to happen? Will they unite the most cut off neighborhoods under a false sense of loyalty to further their own goals? The intricate politics and conspiracy is one of the most important parts of this particular version's identity

[@DanDantheMagicMan]

To be honest I’m so glad you’ve made these last three videos, I love all your content, but this film has been such a breath of fresh air. I didn’t like no way home, black widow, the new suicide squad was fun but I didn’t absolutely love it and Batman has been lacking in the last couple years but this film and take on the character and world made me so happy to see a genuinely well crafted narrative, world and character(s) unlike no way home. I hope this trilogy delivers

[@IcyDiamond]

Why didn’t you like No Way Home?

[@thebatman4279]

@Bing Boom Pow I agree. A fun film but it's only really getting rave reviews because of nostalgia. Doctor Strange was a straight up retard in this film.

[@nicholasdeandradehannud4646]

Imagine a actor with a face completely desfigure, using prosthetics and able to blend in many roles in the upper classes. This would be soooo good. Clayface is one of my favorites characters because, if well written, can be a Ace in the deck. I like the Strange, but can't be a oscorp vibe that creat all villans

[@JApl1n]

1:35 Can’t forget Cameron Monaghan’s performance in Gotham, I agree with your point here

[@captainstage2009]

I’d LOVE to see Mr. Freeze in the next Batman movie. It’s very likely this’ll happen, since Reeves himself said he’d love to do a grounded take on the character.

[@alexlemonds2838]

I'd love to see Poison Ivy, even if they nerfed her. Something from the comics we've never seen adapted is her infatuation towards Batman. Might be neat to portray her more as a romantic interest than a full on enemy like in every other version. It'd be a new way to approach their relationship beyond enemies duking it out.

[@shinebanana4084]

i want a carbon copy of the batman and robin one

[@StarryEyed0590]

If they wrote Poison Ivy as Batman's love interest in a modern day movie, tons of people would complain they straight-washed her.

[@KIKK2017]

I'm thinking about this too. Poison Ivy could work in Reeves universe, although it needs rework. She could be a scientist turning traditional eco-terrorist, who tried to convince both Bruce Wayne to support her. It's grounded and as you say, will emphasize the relationship between them. Plus, if they do it, I want to see Reeves cast Courtney Hope as her.

[@alexlemonds2838]

@@StarryEyed0590 They could still make her bi, I don't mind. Ivy's relationship with Quinn can always be explored in the Arkham Asylum show that was recently announced.

[@alexlemonds2838]

@@KIKK2017 Also, with global warming being a proven fact, Pam's perspective is on more solid ground than ever, even if you're still turned off by her extreme methods. It comes from an understandable place. I'd love to watch Pattinson's Batman engage Ivy in lengthy debates. Something on par with the Daredevil & Punisher rooftop conversations. That level of well written. And, obviously, their shared attraction complicates matters.

[@philherb0656]

Personally, I think they should let Joker & the riddler sit for a while. The next movie should explore how Gotham has changed due to the flooding. Explore how penguin will power-grab due to the power vacuum. Take it slow & develop the setting before jumping into the big-picture stuff.

[@isaiahvoss]

I'm glad you enjoyed The Batman! I did also with Matt Reeves direction of the character in a grounded realistic Gotham City with a melancholic story that just branches out possibilities of this Batman's future in his own universe, hopefully not botched by WB and letting Reeves take control of the story. It's a story I latch on because it made Bruce Wayne more human and only wants to be Batman in the Batsuit that he made himself through showing people the fear that's in the shadows. Whatever Matt Reeves does next, I'm invested in.

[@mr__music5719]

Adding on to your Hugo and clayface idea. What if it was Hugo that created Clayface and we go from there. Heck you can add on Penguin creating the serial killer Victor Zaisz as well. I'm getting lots of Arkham City vibes.

[@sand4273]

Now that Batman has more faith in Gotham, I think they should have a villain that really tries to rattle him personally. Hush, perhaps… or Harvey Dent, but I’d want them to build up Harvey as a friend and ally over multiple movies (so that his fall is more tragic). Then, in potential future movies, they could shake up Gotham again with the Court of Owls or something. I really don’t care for another Joker story, to be quite honest, especially if Joaquin Phoenix is coming back to do a sequel for his iteration. I also think it could be really interesting to have a Robin in this universe someday. It may not seem like having the “Boy Wonder” would fit with this darker take on Batman/Gotham, but that would be the point… It seems that everyone wants to see a good Mr. Freeze adaptation, and I agree with that, but I’m not quite sure where to fit it in. I trust Matt Reeves, though.

[@dericplummer9272]

Hush is just Riddler right? just a more scared and brutal version of him. I dont see this version of the riddler being able to make that transformation.

[@HansYuan]

@@dericplummer9272 More accurate to say that the new movie's Riddler is just a poor version of Hush (literally and narratively). Hush had a deeply personal connection with Bruce and a deeply personal reason to hate him. Paul Dano's Riddler just arbitrarily latched onto Bruce as a symbol of his grievances.

[@footl0se]

Lets just forget Joaquim's "Joker" happened.

[@BossKillRatio]

We had harvey dent in dark knight rises... i think fans would be a little tired of him since we already know his arc. Joker on the other hand doesnt really have an "arc" and they can do many things with him.

[@Altar360]

I’d go for a Heart of Ice adaptation. With Ferris Boyle serving as a lesson for Bruce to pick his philanthropist allies wisely while Mr Freeze can be a dark reflection in how they both handle the grief of their loss.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Having a Batman villain that hasn't got a live action movie treatment would be nice. I know it's supposed to be grounded but a part of me wants to see Mr. Bloom. I'm kinda torn overall though about the whole franchise thing. What made The Batman so appealing to me in 1st place is that it's not going to be a cinematic universe, but now it is

[@docha649]

I hope its not just a trilogy

[@tridonstrident6785]

It all depends on how it's done.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

What about Lock Up? He would be fun to see on the big screen.

[@jackkelly9048]

I honestly don't know what Reeves means when he says he wants grounded villains/takes on the Batman mythos but my first thought walking away from the movie for what villain could be awesome in a sequel was Killer Croc 1) Never been done on the big screen, bar Suicide Squad where he was wearing a hoodie the whole time, barely had any dialogue/characterization proper, and no clear ties to Batman 2) The city is flooded, the epilogue narration seemed to imply that there would be an inevitable territory struggle among Gotham's villains/mobs which would be a great invite/set up for Killer Croc to make moves 3) The character is super malleable, been reinterpreted a thousand times over in comics/cartoons/games with various levels of strength/intelligence/monstrousness. I really think that Reeves could introduce a version of Croc that is agile in the water, taking advantage of the city's current terrain in a way that Batman is inacapable typically, while being strong, intimidating, and just smart enough to organize whats left over in Gotham to establish himself as a threat to Gothamites and the Dark Knight. What's his main motivation, what's his backstory, how monstrous is Waylan (hopefully very), is he Waylan (again hopefully), would he be the big bad of the movie or more of a secondary player a la Sandman in Spider-Man 2? to these questions I have no idea but I personally enjoy Killer Croc and think it would be cool to see him as a proper Batman villain on the big screen.

[@eastsidereviews727]

I think we might be on the eve of finally seeing the theatrical return of Robin. I think either in the next movie or 3rd in the Trilogy will see Robin and I think it's past time for that return.

[@yurifairy2969]

i'm guessing we'll see grayson briefly in 2 and 3 will be about robin

[@BigTorr704]

They could really build up Robin to later doubt Batman's no killing rule and turn into a real vigilante and then fight Batman like something similar to the red hood.

[@galactic85]

@@BigTorr704 please no. I just want a good batman movie truly showcasing why the dick Grayson bruce Wayne relationship is special. Nightwing is one of my favorite heroes. I get that people want to see a death in the family on screen someday but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[@sgt.krakatoa1093]

They should cast me as Robin fr fr

[@thatghosthost]

I think that Hush could work really well. Especially if they did a movie with a large focus on batman coming to terms with balancing being both batman and Bruce Wayne better.

[@nathanl8622]

I wanna see Robin. He always gets neglected in the movies, and this Batman in particular seems like he could grow a lot by taking on a ward. I also really hope they lean more into the fantastical angle going forward. We already had a grounded, "realistic" take in the Nolan movies, I want to see actual supervillains in a Batman movie again.

[@Aiden-qv3ej]

Robin would be a great choice because we can see a more hopeful Bruce help Dick Grayson or Jason Todd through their anger in their own personal lives and experiences which could give Bruce even more growth as a character.

[@octavianamechi2846]

Eventually, I would specifically love a Jason Todd story after fleshing out Nightwing's character and his move to Bloodhaven

[@hunterprice3320]

I honestly think Tom Holland would make a good Robin. I think it should be a bit more serious than how he plays some other roles. I think he's got the range to do it.

[@batman76rb55]

@@hunterprice3320 no more Tom holland

[@galactic85]

Yep. Robin is the one key thing that any sequel to this movie needs. If they are worried about batman taking a kid in to the field with him, then just make the sequel about Bruce learning to be a good dad to a 14 or 15 year old dick Grayson and then have the third movie start with Batman and Robin out in the field together once dick is 18.

[@aliminator1310]

Clayface could actually be a RESULT of Hugo Strange's experiments in these movies!! :D

[@IIBraderz]

I really want Azrael in the next movie, I felt like the first movie was the detective vs detective with any action Batman wiped the floor with everyone which was great but would like to see him in a real fight. The second movie could be him trying to catch another vigilante (Azrael) who is killing criminals. This movie is like the succesor to Arkham series and Gotham, juggling a pack of rogues perfectly in the first movie, I feel like they should do it again in the second movie. Not a corny Marvel team-up of villains but having them all be connected through Batman and somehow it being the plot of the movie. I want one of those to be Azrael as the action type villain, with Mr.Freeze and Hugo Strange aswell. With Azrael getting put in with Hugo Strange when he's caught and him torturing him into a monster or a successful experiment.

[@Dalton_stuff]

to early

[@duckydae]

far too early for azrael, you’re looking for a successor to a brand spanking new batman. this works for the arkham games because batman is well established (even during arkham city) this batman’s literally on year two.

[@IIBraderz]

@@duckydae Azrael isn’t always a successor to Batman? Sometimes he’s just a villain who wants to cleanse Gotham.

[@KingKhupacabra]

Way too early for Jean paul mate. Maybe one day

[@IIBraderz]

@@KingKhupacabra could be introduced as like a sidekick (instead of a successor) along with robin because Bruce knows he can’t do his job alone but Azrael see’s Bruce as unfit and betrays Bruce. This causes tension between Robin and Batman as he brought them in together. It doesn’t have to take anything from the comics and just take plot points. Just feel he fits vibe of movie perfectly and they could work him in good. Azrael starts to scheme against Bruce and turn the city against him by making it look like he’s killing criminals? Idk just want Azrael lmao

[@oscarstennes9828]

I agree wholeheartedly with the Hugo Strange idea. Just as this movie took clear inspirations from The Long Halloween, I think the next one can pull from a basis of Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth. We now have Riddler and Joker in Arkham, and we have toyed with the idea of the Arkham family being less than scrupulous in the riddler's expose tape on the Waynes. Having someone like Strange (or Crane, but we already saw him in Batman Begins) working at the Asylum to perform unsavory tests on the inmates fits perfectly with the dark horror-inspired universe as well as the investigative side of the Batman from the first film. Additionally it was briefly mentioned that Martha Wayne was sent to Arkham for a time, so the asylum location can also delve deeper into the history of the Waynes and Bruce, which Reeves seems interested in doing with this Gotham.

[@IcyDiamond]

2nd Movie: Mr. Freeze 3rd Movie: Scarecrow 4th Movie: Two-Face 5th Movie: Court of Owls 6th Movie: The Joker If they do have 6 movies in this franchise, these can be the villains in each of the sequels

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

“Death is cold, Batman.”

[@des5052]

Court of owls should definitely be the last it should be Batman finally getting every answer

[@IcyDiamond]

@@des5052 The Court of Owls get beaten by Batman which leaves a power gap that Joker fills by getting all of the villains from the previous movies together to wreak havoc on the city

[@barry2349]

The next trilogy will be carried by dick Grayson as they build him in second or third movie

[@IcyDiamond]

@@barry2349 So maybe the next three can be mostly Nightwing movies?

[@DeadCardinal]

In this world of The Batman I think Mr. Freeze could work great. Maybe he gets roped in to the life of crime by the Penguin who tells him he can help Freeze cure Nora by funding Freeze’s research but he has to do some jobs for him with his cryotech first (oversimplified). I don’t see Mr Freeze as a wholly evil character, ruthless and determined maybe but deep down a good man who would do anything to save a loved one so that could make for a nuanced and compelling story

[@arsenal_616]

I'd like to see what they could do with Mr. Freeze. Also, even though Scarecrow was done so well in the Nolan movies, I feel like he could fit very well in this version of Gotham. And I think they should leave the Joker out of the main villain role until the third movie. I like the idea of him manipulating the other inmates at Arkham that Batman put away. Give him another movie to gather another villain or two in his Rogue's gallery.

[@madtitan0825]

It’s about damn time they bring back Mr Freeze, it’s ridiculous how we only saw him once in live action, his villain motivation is literally just to save his wife it’s like the easiest shit u can do to make a sympathetic villain

[@galactic85]

I kind of want to see scarecrow too. If for no other reason that I want to see Matt reeves direct a full on horror movie hallucination sequence right out of the arkham games.

[@madtitan0825]

@@galactic85 after that dope Mysterio sequence, would be cool to see wut Scarecrow can do on screen(his role in Nolan trilogy is great but deserves more screen time)

[@madtitan0825]

@kshamwhizzle I have to rewatch his Crane to wash off the abomination I’ve seen in Titans with their Scarecrow

[@6amsunset_]

honestly I really loved how grounded and realistic the batman was. it's more a dark detective thriller with a guy in a costume than a superhero movie, and I love it and I really hope they won't put supernatural elements in it. Just like I loved the batmobile because it wasn't a plane with wheels but just a cool car, I hope if they take one of the many over the top villains that they make them as human and believable as possible

[@Icebolt854]

Personally, with the way the first movie went I'd LOVE to see him use Professor Pyg

[@G59METH]

I think Hush, Court of Owls, Hugo Strange, Calendar Man, Mad Hatter, Victor Zsazs, Black Mask would all work, Mad Hatter would need some reworking but could work out

[@stephengontis1517]

I just want to see a really great version of Killer Croc. He’s my favorite Batman villain, and it’s wild that we haven’t gotten a great cinematic take on the character yet (his presence in Suicide Squad isn’t much of anything).

[@lllSASlll]

The city is underwater, how can the not give us Croc! It would be fun to see a version of him that fits into this universe/tone

[@KrandoxLP]

The Batman is so grounded in a dark and gritty yet mostly realistic portrayal that I feel like it would be Important to keep this element - meaning I think it would be best to keep supernatural elements like Clayface out of this interpretation. I could imagine a Hush working really well, especially as a counterfoil to Pattinson's interpretation of Bruce and Batman

[@thatoneguy3253]

I wanna see Bane and the Venom storyline, I feel like it’d fit the Pattinsons take of the character really well.

[@thedargon6899]

I Like the noir aspect of the Batman but I also think the next movie should showcase the combative side of the character too because as of right now Pattinson batman doesn’t seem as physically capable as others. They could do a villain like hush or the court of owls but should also include a character like deathstroke as a side villain to showcase that this Bruce Wayne has also trained in numerous fighting styles and is physically capable.

[@CriticsCupofficial]

I would love to see Clayface and see Batman finally fight one of his hulking monster type villains in live action and maybe could lead to a proper killer croc.

[@oliverjeromiej667]

what I think warner bros should do, is to silently usher the court of owls into the movie/throughout it and eventually expose them to be the true villain of the movie. Then you can have batman to explore their hide outs and learn about their history and bring the audience along, like POV'S. (also like that batman animated movie where he finds them all dead...) and then you could use the 'Bruce Wayne' character getting into places batman simply couldn't, for example; 'Bruce Wayne' could try to become a more active CEO so he'd have reason to strut around the darker parts of Wayne tower, so then you could explore the more political/Business side of Gotham through boring an old board meetings. (which would be evident by 'Bruce Wayne's tired expressions.) and he'd sit through those so after he could talk with a board member to get access to certain room/room's to try to find old renewal files of sewage systems (to further his investigation, ofc ) and then he could find out that the court of owls are secretly in charge of the renewal fund, and that they've secretly been letting these gangsters take from the pot. so in that way, they would have true dominance over Gotham's organised crime world ("tHRough DA sHADOws") . to summarise: you'd have a more 'gritty' and 'horrific' film than the first one, due to the POV'S in the tunnels. And you could also develop a greater understanding of Gotham through those board meetings and POV'S that find homeless people in bad living conditions (like really bad, like enough to bust out the bat plugs.)

[@shashaank195]

I also would love them to bring in Robin, I feel like he would thrive as a character in this version of the series. It would also be an interesting to see how Dick Grayson could help this version of Bruce grow and move past his demons to become a paternal figure

[@samuelsmith1132]

Another argument for Strange: he is supposed to be perhaps the smartest member of the rogues gallery, and has figured out batman's identity on numerous occasions. Seeing the look of pure fear on Battinson's face when he thought riddler had figured it out was not only one of the greatest moments of the film, but is something that can really be toyed with going forward. He has just become a beacon of hope for the people - as he intended - and a shattering of his image would instantly undo all his hard work. The tension there writes itself

[@elfsieben1450]

👍

[@kingutopus7941]

I always dreamt of Willem Dafoe as the Joker. But not as a main villain in the 'The Batman universe'. I'd see him as a deranged Arkham inmate who was incarcerated early on in Batman's career and occasionally helps Batman with solving crimes because he can think like homocidal maniac. The popular belief is that Batman and the Joker are technically equally crazy which is why they have this strange ambigeous connection with eachother which causes Batman to visit him quite a lot even though he technically already knows the answer to his own question. He simply needs the Joker to realize it. They could have great dialogue based on the comics like Arkham Asylum. Can you imagine Willen Dafoe's gritty voice say things like "if it gets too tough.. there is always a place for you here.."

[@georgewhite1254]

Oh man I can so hear him saying that, would give absolute chills

[@justinkertis6560]

I think they’re setting up the riddler and joker team up for the third movie if this truly is going to be a trilogy. I think they’ll focus more on penguin and the power grab in the 2nd. Probably throw in another Batman villain to spice it up. Whatever they end up doing after this movie I’m pretty confident with what they’ll do next.

[@eastsidereviews727]

As for Joker, I wanna give credit to the Double Toasted channel for this idea. What if Joker never leaves Arkham, he stays in prison, sort of influencing or manipulating things from there, all the while Batman comes to him, getting more insight on whichever villain he faces in a given movie. That way Joker is still shown and has a bit role, but doesn't take up the main focus or attention and other characters have a chance to shine.

[@Sondrems94]

Would be cool to see Killer Croc. Given the amazing prosthetic work done on Colin Farrel, I'm sure they would be able to do Waylon Jones justice! I think he would be a cool antagonist that fits the new Gotham presented to us; given his truly vile and visceral being. Also, since the city recently flooded it means there's a bunch of territory for Killer Croc to exploit. Idk, maybe a Maroni/Penguin conflict where Killer Croc is working for one of them to dent the competition? Mutilated bodies turning up, with links to Maroni/Penguin. Murders connected via flooded subways, sewers etc. Pretty cool case for the worlds greatest detective imo . Batman tracking Killer Croc in a claustrophobic, grimy, aquatic environment lit only by the torchlight he carries! But we mustn't neglect the Penguin either, his rise to power and infamy I think needs to be a crucial element in the next movie. I think Killer Croc manages to keep the element of the fantastical, but still being quite grounded if done well. There are some pretty insane free divers, and Killer Croc could just be a cannibalistic free diver with a skin condition (kinda).

[@tfly999]

I think it would be cool since they've skipped Batman's origin story, they could do the same with Two-Face. Have Harvey Dent already scarred by an attack by a vengeful Maroni (already arrested, looking to strike back at someone before he rots in Blackgate) back when he was ADA, and now he's taking up the DA mantle with a 'hard on crime' stance that's swiftly becoming more and more tyrannical. Problem is, lots of people in Gotham are folding to his extremism because they don't want to go back to the anarchy or blatant corruption from before. This Two-Face wants to save Gotham but he's going about it with increasing severity, seeing things black-and-white like Bruce did, and now as Batman he has to choose to either join forces with a would-be police-state or remain a vigilante outside the law, with both police and criminals after him. And he could 1.) remain sympathetic because we're seeing him at his lowest trying to claw back to a semblance of normalcy, him genuinely want to do good for Gotham, 2.) be a secondary villain for a larger threat, only to take up the Big-Bad position in the proposed 3rd movie after Batman proves he can't be controlled and made another one of his enforcers, and 3.) finally give us a Two-Face that's a proper threat, instead of an excellent Harvey Dent who burned fast and bright before getting snuffed out.

[@elfsieben1450]

Hell yeah, that'd be awesome.

[@quibblings]

A genuinely sadistic Black Mask is someone I could see in this universe. Have him move in on the power vaccum left after Falcone's death, hiding his identity, so as not to end up like Falcone. The detective element could be Batman uncovering who's under the mask, and interfering with Sionis' corporate espionage, both as Batman and a more active Bruce.

[@jackdreas4415]

I want Robin to be featured in these films. He’s an important part of the Batman history and not having him in the Nolan trilogy was disappointing.

[@RED01SEA]

i dont want robin to be in any solo batman movie , actually i dont want the batfamily to be a thing at all , if they have to include robin , they could just do teen titans , nightwing , red hood , anything but batman and little robin doing adventures in a serious way , like even in BTAS its was a miracle that thing even worked for a bit , i would love to them to do batman beyond instead

[@brandonl7759]

I'd love some Mr. Freeze. His stories are always bangers and they could take the stories enough ways with his plot with Nora to keep us on our toes

[@v.a.l.i.a]

I think we need to move on from Heath Ledger's joker. Yes, maybe he is the best portrayal of the character to date, but we can't gatekeep the character just because Heath died. Because if he was still alive, people wouldn't be so absolute when it came to the next joker. It's something that happens all the time. Either we want it or not, someone will portray joker better one day. Maybe in 100 years or tomorrow, but it will happen. We can't compare the different actors playing the character because each one of them played him differently. Like we can't compare Rob and Christian's batman. Chris' was the playboy type. Rob's is the detective one. So, stop with the bs about joker. Heath will be remembered, but we have to move on.

[@sasha-dt5vk]

i agree!! there’s already so many fantastic joker adaptations; mark hamill, heath ledger and joaquin phoenix are the most outstanding ones that come to mind. there’s definitely enough amazing adaptations of joker, so why don’t we get a new adaptation that hasn’t been done!!!

[@rdestroyer1511]

I feel like Scarecrow would work really well in this franchise and I would love to see a super dark and gritty scarecrow and his use of fear in this universe.

[@modman287]

My pick would be Flint Garfield, Firefly, as a redesigned arsonist anarchist, and would be a good switch from having Gotham flooded with water and instead bathed in flame. Usually his motivations are burned out relationships or working for hire, but in The Batman I'd like to think he's bipolar and switches between personalities similar to Batman, where he's Flint by day doing his regular work but by night he releases pent up rage as the firefly. Having him be one of the survivors of Riddler's attack but his girlfriend Cassidy drowned would be an interesting twist on the villains motivations. Burn out crime and poverty, by any means necessary.

[@BourLeaf]

Deleted Joker scene just dropped. Great scene and definitely would like to see more of it

[@Tinks27]

Would love to see Killer Croc in the next film. A flooded Gotham just gives the opportunity for him to make a film debut. Not a main villian of course, but secondary or just a quick cameo even

[@patriciomendoza19]

Doing Hugo Strange, and creating monsters would be great to segway into the more out there villains you can start simple with someone that would be similar enough to the monster men like Amygdala, or Blockbuster then work your into Man-Bat.

[@delravinger2740]

With the partial focus of Drops in The Batman, and what looks like a form of venom that got used, I’d be super interested in seeing a proper iteration of Bane, the cunning, the machismo, maybe as a new face on the drug scene in Gotham? I think that’d be cool

[@elfsieben1450]

Victor Zsasz would also be an interesting choice.

[@m_t_m_t]

I saw a comment on a different video, someone mentioned Giancarlo Esposito as Hugo Strange, and that feels like such a powerful casting

[@cytharion]

Hugo was one of my picks as well as Victor Zsasz. I think introducing any kind of meta-human to this take of batman might be a bit of a challenge and change the tone of the overall narrative they are trying to do. Of course I'm not saying it's not possible but you would need a really good script.

[@tomago4274]

I think Hush is a great option. They kind of already established the *spoilers*... Elliot family in The Batman as that was the last name of the reported who Falcone killed. Also, a big part of the Hush comic story is that the riddler was running the whole thing behind bars, and he currently is behind bars.

[@fellowjello2004]

I would like the Ventriloquist. Somewhat still a "realistic" villain that touches the fantastical.

[@elfsieben1450]

I want Zsasz to prowl Gotham City's inundated streets like Jack the Ripper prowled the mists of London's Themse. I want Dr. Harleen Quinzel at Arkham Asylum, assisting the Batman as a profiler in his investigation of Zsasz's murder spree. I want Quinzel to be interested in the Batman for a thesis on the mindset behind vigilantism that she has been writing. I want Joker to eavesdrop / side-glance / snivel around in Dr. Quinzel's office where he gains repeated access by sporadically being interviewed as her pet patient. I want Gordon to investigate Cobblepot's crime network and the ensuing gang wars. I want Batman more as his eyes & muscles than at the forefront of this investigation. I want Bruce Wayne to be more invested in starting a foundation to establish a Gotham City Rehabilitation Center for Drop addicts, looking for social and political support, the right location, knowledge, equipment and staff to get it off the ground etc. I want neurologist and biochemist Hugo Strange to be there, getting involved right from the planning stage. I want Gordon to come across the death of someone who he suspected to work for the Penguin. I want the suspect's killer later to be revealed as his son, having been locked away by his father in an attic for his entire life without any identity, name or outside contact or anyone even knowing of his existence, until Gordon discovers him. I want him to be considered psychotic, deaf and dumb and taken to Arkham Asylum. I want Joker to gain his trust, get him to try and talk/mumble incoherently and almost unintelligbly. Then I want Joker to convince Quinzel to let him give "speech therapy" to the new guy. I want Quinzel to come to the conclusion the killing of his drunken and choleric father was an accident rather than a murder, and (at the suggestion of the Joker) to take her new patient back to his house and to confront him with his trauma on the site after she has stabilised him by means of reenaction and role play, utilising figurines, a dollhouse and hand puppets. I want the patient to recover his speech and sanity so quickly that, after being cleared of being a murder suspect, he becomes an outpatient to Dr. Quinzel in his own home, where she leaves him with his favourite hand puppet as his "new friend who will always protect" him. I want Oswald Cobblepot to take over the entire Gotham underworld in terms of drug running, prostitution, betting, gambling and protection money. I want Killer Croc roaming the sewers of Gotham with frogmen who bring assault rifles, grenades, rocket launchers and explosives into the city, defected from the National Guard. I want Batman to be surprised, assaulted and forced to retreat by Killer Croc and his henchmen during an attempt to destroy one of Oswald's supposed drug labs which turns out to be a hidden armoury of Killer Croc instead. I want the high-ranking National Guard officers to turn a deaf ear to the "conspiracy theory" of any of their men going AWOL and putting in extra work for a private contractor. Abandoned by the Guard, I want the Batman, the Penguin and the commissioned DA to strike a deal brokered by Gordon in order to stop Killer Croc's paramilitia from taking over Gotham. Gordon then builds a joint task force of Penguin's organisation and volunteers from the GCPD. Cobblepot's militia is given deputy status in the fight for Gotham. After several raids, Killer Croc has to retreat, and the National Guard finally intervenes to drive out the last pockets of Killer Croc's loyal resistance and to dissolve Gordon's task force. Oswald, after having beaten Croc and being applauded and celebrated as a daring leader by his henchmen, decides he will focus on extending his business to Bloodhaven next, but first he will need to find another trustworthy accountant for that. "After all, the books don't cook themselves." After Croc's defeat, Zsasz is being caught in an attempt to murder the Penguin and taken to Arkham Asylum where he is sent to the empty cell next to Riddler's. From the other side of the cell Joker asks: So, who is the new guy? After Credit scene: The recently released Arkham Asylum outpatient, bespectacled, wearing a grey business suit, holding his "new friend" and a slightly oversized looking business briefcase in one hand, knocks on the door of The Iceberg Lounge during day time. As the door opens, he says in a timid voice: "Excuse me, Sirs, may I speak to Mr. Cobblepot in person, please? I have a delicate service to offer, which he might be interested in..." So, basically, I want the Ventriloquist to be already set up for the third movie, when martial law is lifted again. By then, his newfound "friend" can have a brand new look - to protecc, to attacc and to be scarred as hecc.

[@MadChatterYT]

Laurence Fishburne as Hugo would be amazing

[@chrisblanchard6422]

I just really want Mr. Freeze. Almost solely because the Red color motif would play so well with ice. Plus the tragic lovers lends itself to the noise style

[@johnwells5414]

Here’s my dream Batman film series. The next film would feature the rise of some of the more obscure and colorful villains in Gotham with Scarface and the Ventriloquist acting as a new up and coming crime lord that the criminals are looking to in Gotham as a replacement for Falcone in the first film. Killer Croc would act as his enforcer, with Mad Hatter, Weskers therapist, would be acting as the main villain of the movie. Mad Hatter would be envious of Bruce Wayne and Batman, using his mind tech to work his way up the ranks to punish Gotham. Scarface would see Tetch as his therapist and advisor, while Tetch is actually the one in control using them as his puppets. Meanwhile, Bruce would be trying to figure out how to balance his life as Bruce Wayne and Batman, finding it difficult to be Bruce Wayne. I would also introduce Barbara Gordon into the world with Jervis being infatuated with her and her friends. The themes would be identity, fear of oneself, etc. Batman would beat Jervis Tetch sending him and Wesker to Arkham. Part 3 would have the Court of Owls and the introduction of Dick Grayson/ Robin to The Batman world. The Court would be directly involved in the Grayson’s death and Bruce would try to direct the anger in a more stable manner. The villains would be The Court of Owls, but also the return of Penguin, and Killer Croc who would act as a dark mirror for who Robin could become if he were to follow a path of vengeance and violence. At the end of this film we would get one more Joker tease where it’s implied that he has an escape plan. Part 4 would see the Batman vs Joker. They would battle it out, until Batman sends him back to Arkham, where the Joker causes a riot we get a sort of adaptation of Arkham Asylum mixing elements of the graphic novel and game, with the past villains making appearances. The 5th and final film would have Mr. Fries as the main antagonist. Man Bat would be a secondary villain. Robin would become Nightwing, Barbara would become Batgirl, Batman would not die! His story would wrap up with him achieving balance as both Bruce Wayne and Batman, because it’s what he chooses (yes that’s a reference to Batman Forever). Leaving his story relatively open ended for a possible return later on or a complete wrap. It’s a very rough outline and idea, but I think it could work.

[@CoolGuy-kq8iv]

I think professor Pyg would be a really interesting villain for them to bring in. He’s a very violent, unpredictable, and insane villain so I think he’d work really well if they wanted to lean into the horror-esque feel of this Gotham.

[@DerrickVanderspoon]

This is the most excited I've been in awhile for where the Batman franchise could go, but not because I can see where it's going. The most exciting part, in my opinion anyway, is the idea that everything about this batman is based around creating films that feel more intimate and personal than past iterations, putting the audience squarely in Bruce/Batman's head and staying there pretty much the whole time. It's centered around Bruce's emotional journey, and because of that focus on character-driven storytelling as opposed to the plot-driven storytelling of previous Batman movies, I feel like the future of this new Batman could go anywhere, adapting any number of storylines with almost any villain and still be just as intriguing.

[@tekuaniaakab2050]

Agree with the joker fatigue, let the character breathe a little. Court of owls is very interesting but probably best as a backdrop (kinda like the League of Shadows in Batman Begins). If they ever do joker, hope they go full Serious House on Serious Earth or Joker War. Not sure if Hugo Strange can carry a movie on his own but mixed with something like CoOs it could work. Nic cage would be perfect as Strange

[@jacobl2222]

What I would love to see is a handful of movies that focus on a single villain in self-contained stories. Batman has an amazing Rogue's Gallery of under-used villains. Many of whom lend themselves to genres of story we don't really get in modern superhero media - horror, psychological thriller, crime noir, mystery, etc. Batman movies that aren't trying to immediately build up to an epic trilogy, and aren't in a rush to use up all the most iconic villains as fast as possible, could really give some awesome Batman stories room to breath.