Where was Robert Lamm on Chicago 16 & 17 - Bill Champlin Interview

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[@timothywills7709]

As long as Robert Lamm was on the Kath era albums, that is good enough for me. Those albums are the true Chicago that made them such a great band!

[@kennethrussell1158]

In my opinion . Anything that they did after 1975 was not the "Chicago" I enjoyed.

[@willard2729]

Robert Lamm is the MVP of Chicago. He wrote 7 of the 9 songs on their masterpiece, Chicago V. Eight weeks at #1 in 1972

[@magneto7930]

The Kath years were the absolute best, in my opinion.

[@MillerGenuineDraft1980]

Chicago V (1972) is their best single album

[@ericshenefield3355]

The biggest fan of Bill Champlin is Bill Champlin!

[@donnascott4833]

😅😅

[@kevinwilkins7851]

And the biggest fan of the Chicago horns are their horns!? Just watch and listen to Lee Loughlane and Jimmy Pankow!

[@MrJsfingers]

He and Ron Nevison both said Dawayne couldn’t be used in the studio. But it was nice to hear Champlin saying he was a great soloist.

[@gman4860]

I’m a big Bill fan but that thing about Terry shows the ego is a little out of control. Ego can really warp people at times. In this interview I think you see one reason Chicago let him go. Not defending the Chicago guys. They suffer with it too.

[@davidkyle2073]

Ya Bill’s massive somewhat condescending ego blasts through, regardless of his resume ...

[@daleeasterwood2683]

If you watch the documentary Now More Than Ever, Champlin told one of the other members of Chicago that the fans came to see him, not Chicago as a whole. Talk about an ego. I had never heard of the guy until he joined Chicago!

[@waltersimmons946]

Honestly if you listen to Bill, he was saying actually that he could never really sing the songs the way Terry sang them and he was using a sense of humor while humbling himself. People don't realize too, that he was talked to years earlier about replacing Kath but he openly said he didn't think he was good enough a guitarist to "step in a legends shoes " Champlin is a good guy cut the man some slack.

[@waltersimmons946]

@@daleeasterwood2683 That was James Pankow who said that about Champlin. I used to like Pankow and thought he was a cool guy until I saw a concert of the band in 1977, as Cetera and Kath switched instruments Cetera on acoustic guitar and Kath on bass setting up to play "If you leave me now" Pankow was talking to the audience making openly negative comments about the song he even said "We're about to do a John Denver tune " mocking the song Seraphine tells Pankow to "shut up and knock it off Pankow " I could see why Cetera wanted out of that band for many years. I put no stock in what Pankow says because of that clip. The concert is on KZbin. Pankow is not all he appears to be himself.

[@lamarravery4094]

@@waltersimmons946 Yeah, I love Peter, but he did make a remark to Pankow before that saying he didn't like singing Old Days, a Pankow tune, because it was corny and he didn't want to sing that Howdy Doody line. So I don't know exactly who started that feud, but Pankow has a huge ego. Too bad, they're all talented and were great together. I think the only time Pankow and Cetera collaborated was on Feeling Stronger Every Day.

[@williamlobur6181]

next interview bill is gonna say he was the 5th Beatle lol

[@chriscianciolo5823]

LMAO

[@capndavey1]

No he's Paul McCartney hehe

[@donnascott4833]

Lol!!

[@TheFergyme]

Good Lord. What an ego. So Terry looked at you for his inspiration? Get over yourself, Champlin.

[@LoyalOpposition]

"Hey Terry, so I heard that Bill Champlin--" --- "Bill Champlin? Who is that?"

[@mattstickle2725]

Yeah a little full of himself. Considers himself an elite, and he is actually. That's always bugged me about him too. His over singing live. But for some reason I can't not like him.

[@daleeasterwood2683]

Bill Champlin- I love me some me!! ❤️

[@donnascott4833]

🤣🤣

[@lamarravery4094]

My favorite Bill tune while he was with Chicago was You're not Alone. I never really cared for Look Away even though it was a number 1 hit. But he had a song he wrote on 18 called I Believe that was a great ballad that sounded a lot like Hard Habit to Break.

[@berliner0]

Thanks for all these interviews

[@bibchr]

"Terry was listening to me"? What??!

[@THEJIG-IS-UP]

Question: Bill, what do you think of yourself? Bill: Very very highly

[@timmccarthy5353]

0:59 My God, the ego. Terry was what...?!

[@jennapuhl596]

Unfortunately, Peter was good on his first album!!

[@donnascott4833]

Ha!!

[@rubicon-oh9km]

I listen to a lot of interviews with musicians who's best and most successful days are behind them and it seems to me Bill's ego is larger than average. I compare him to guys like Lukather or Frampton, who are so completely unassuming and modest you'd never know they were massive players if you just met them on the street. Champlin....is not that guy.

[@EvilTheOne]

Champlin's 'Runaway' is still one of my favorite albums of all-time. Great ballads and solid rockers. With 'Seawind horns' blowin' on the song 'Satisfaction', you know that Champlin was destined to be in Chicago; courtesy of producer/writer David Foster.

[@8Stickman]

I love this, Listening to it a few times.👌

[@jerrygeist1677]

Ego is a dangerous thing , praise always feels an sounds better coming from other folks , not pating yourself on the back. Whew

[@brianmccain6302]

Strongest neck in the world,grande cabeza

[@sb66516]

BILL I LOVED THE BIG BAND STUFF YOU WERE IN CHICAGO, NIGHT AND DAY BABY. YOU KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. I STILL LISTEN TO IT

[@johnryan3374]

Yeah Champlin! He's proud of his work and his voice, as he should be.

[@lilmelvin11]

Love the crack about Brady Bunch! Thanks for these treats!

[@GregSimon]

This was an awesome interview.

[@mjt5576]

Terry Kath was listening to him? I kinda doubt it.

[@dustylover100]

How do you know? The Sons of Champlin were a popular local San Francisco Bay act in the mid-to-late 1960s. He may have even seen or listened to Bill when they first moved out to LA.

[@TS-gn2wy]

But Hendrix listened to Terry!

[@kennethrussell1158]

I caught that too. I'm not going for that.

[@dennisjames1973]

Thank you for saying that, I personally liked Terry's vocals a hell of a lot more than Bill's.

[@ilcicero63]

Good point

[@peanutbutterisfu]

I can relate to what he said about Dwayne Bailey. I am not the best guitarist in the world by far but I am a good song writer, I have a great ear for what is good and what it bad and my ear is all about catchy music that wide audiences would want to listen to. When the serious band I was in started to have some small successes like getting played on the radio, playing bigger shows I had only been a self taught guitarist and song writer at the time and I wanted to take my playing to the next level so I started taking lessons from a teacher that was the same age as me, went to the Atlanta musician institute graduating at the top of his class for jazz guitar he’s just one of them dudes that can literally play anything. Well it came time to record our debut album after releasing an ep and after laying down the drums and some guitar the producer sat me and the singer/bassist down and said guys I gotta tell you that ur guys song writing is next level by far one of the best bands I’ve ever worked with and idk what ur guys plans are but If u really want to give it a shot the drummer and lead guitarist are not on the same page with you guys they will never get to the pro level even if they wanted to I just don’t think they have it in them. I think that u guys absolutely could do something with this album but you need a serious and better lead guitarist and drummer and if you go that route we should delete everything we have recorded and record again because what these guys are doing will not do the songs justice. Now I had been saying that both the guys started to only care about partying anymore, the drummer use to be a really good solid drummer many local drummers looked up to him and couldn’t play as fast as him or as well but he stopped bringing his drum kit home from out rehearsal spot and he just started to not keep time, messing up live. Then the lead player was sloppy, he would get too fucked up to play live, he would forget parts of songs, he also stopped practicing in his free time he just only cared about partying. When this line up first started I had only been playing guitar for 2 years everyone else had a good 10 year experience but after a year I became a better guitarist as did the singer. I would practice minimum 3 hours per day and started to take lessons I wasn’t the best guitarist but I focused on being solid. So we fired the lead player and drummer, we had a friend fill in for live shows, the producer is an amazing drummer he played in many speed metal bands so he played drums on the album. So my guitar teacher and I started to become friends a bit and I texted him one day saying you should join my band and he said yeah dude I would love to and I couldn’t believe it! He said I was his best student and the only student that really made him think because I wanted to learn so much and I couldn’t believe that my guys teacher (again we are the same age so I didn’t have some old guy playing in the band not that it really matters) actually wanted to be in my band it felt really cool now we had one of the best guitarist in my city and one of the best drummers in my city! So we start recording the album, I did all of the rhythm guitars and a few of the lead guitars but my teacher did most all of the lead guitars So again he could play anything but he’s not the greatest writer there were man lead guitar parts he came up with that he was so proud of and we all hated the stuff but if we gave him some ideas or gave him parts then he was good. It was super rewarding to hear the producer tell me how great of a player he is and that I might not be the best guitarist but I am a much better writer. Also the day before we started recording the rhythm guitar I broke a finger so we had my teacher record a bunch on the rhythm guitar tracks and after about 5 songs the producer stopped him from recording he said dude u are playing the songs perfectly but it’s almost too perfect the guitars just don’t have the balls they do when he (meaning me) plays them. He said technically they are played perfectly, no string noise, very good timing but I play much more aggressively and my timing isn’t perfect so it gives the songs much more attitude. So we deleted the guitars he did and after a month or so when my finger healed I did all the rhythm tracks. My teacher didn’t get mad or anything he completely agreed and he also said he’s not a tone chaser guy like I am all he cares about is having a guitar and any amp to play it through and for me I am completely different I spent probably 25 hours in the studio to get the guitar tones I wanted, testing out different guitars, different pickups, different gauge strings, different brands of strings, different speaker cabinets, different cables, different amps, different amps, plugging in stomp boxes and not even using the stomp boxes but just having my signal ran through them to see if they made a difference and they do, different ohm configurations, all different settings on the amps, putting the amps in different rooms of the studio, putting a snare in the room either the speakers to see if there is a difference, trying every microphone the studio had even mics that you wouldn’t normally use for guitar, using 2 mics on the speaker cab and putting another mic in the center of the room, using the mics in weird spots on the speakers, trying to record in the room with the amp to get a better feel, I’m telling you I tried everything even blending 2 live amps at the same time. We ended up using this 1995 epiphone les Paul I have that I had just had a luthier put some pickups in, completely rewire it, fret job, EVH pots. The funny thing was the only reason why the guitar was at the studio was because I had just picked up the guitar from the shop and I only brought it in was it was super cold outside. We had already picked a guitar but the producer seen this guitar and said well try it out and everyone was blown away it was crazy how good the guitar sounded it was just amazing! The guitar vibrated so well it was almost how good it sounded It just felt amazing. It felt like it was made to record this album everything just came together for the album… after a short time we realized how well the album blended together.as far as guitars went we used a peavey 6505+ live amp with. Shure 57 abs a 421 blended tig Esther both mics had separated tracks 2 left side and 2 right sides. We also has the track recorded clean signal one of the left and one for the right and we used a simulated Marshall 900 amp one track on each side to add some really needed mids so we had a really much thick huge fat tone for a total of 6 rhythm guitar tracks it really made a huge wall of sound.

[@kc0lif]

hey bill i like those songs i don't live without love, look away etc.

[@lamarravery4094]

Chicago 19 was probably Bill's favorite Chicago album. He sang lead on 3 of the hits from that album. Jason did pretty good on that album as well.

[@dimitrikotsianas2852]

Hey Bill can you give me a breakdown on which songs on 16-21?, I know a lot of session players were used.

[@MrJsfingers]

From reading and from my ear, Landau did mostly everything on 17 (Paul Jackson Jr did a couple, Goldenberg one or two. 21 all Landau, 18 was mostly Landau and Luke. 16 mostly Luke with some Landau. 19-Dan Huff.

[@fattahhardiwinangun333]

Since Bill mentioned... Lukather should've been in Chicago... He played solo on several of their hits...and he can sing like Terry

[@jb6879]

sad to hear the resentful tone towards Terry Kath. The fact is the David Foster, Cetera, Champlin version of Chicago is mostly schmaltz. At least the earlier versions of Chicago had some heart and soul in the music. Any song off of 16/17 doesn't hold a candle to earlier Chicago hits or many deep cuts. Unoriginal and boring in comparison. This doesn't mean im not a fan of Bill Champlin and that version of Chicago but if I got the deserted island question Chicago 16/17 would not be on that list of Chicago albums to take. Also, Robert Lamm in his day was an epic song writer. David Foster can make a hit but they are boring adult contemporary hits.

[@rhm5158]

Chicago was pop ballad band after 14 and they weren’t really Chicago anymore after 11. Could not stand the David Foster Era. He killed the horns and the jazz fusion style they had.

[@LoyalOpposition]

70s Chicago is where it was at. Every kind of genre imaginable. And as for the Foster junk, they got a lot of 15-minute fans who ditched them for the next hit, while the fans of Chicago I-XI thought, "What the hell?".... They played a few nights here, but with no Lamm (who missed the previous three shows), I wasn't going to go, although Neil Donnel surprisingly can sing Lamm's parts, and is the best replacement for Cetera (although no one will replace Peter's great bass playing). Danny wrote better songs than Bill. "Little One", "Take Me Back to Chicago", etc.. Hot Streets was full of good songs, but no greatness. Pinnock was probably their best replacement, but they got rid of him because he wasn't skinny I'm guessing.

[@nickf9392]

All I can say is this...when I saw Bill Champlin sing an original Chicago song he always made me cringe, it was like he was intentionally shitting on them. Thats how it came off to me.

[@chriscianciolo5823]

Agreed

[@LoyalOpposition]

I enjoy him as an interviewee, but not as a musician. Never liked his voice, and never liked his B3 playing. I always preferred piano and electric piano. Even the organ in The Doors had to be tempered, on "The End" for example (low in the mix)

[@stephendringus8183]

Great voice, but always seemed to over sing parts

[@kevgret]

Brad gillis from night ranger said he and bill made an album together

[@jennapuhl596]

Drugs are horrible!! I loved Jason

[@indigojc]

How great are this segments with Bill.. Thanka a lot for thia gems.. sooo good!

[@frodofraggins]

Hmm, I'm not sure I liked his comment that "Terry was listening to me before he started recording. He knew who I was" and so it would beneath him to try and mimic Terry for certain songs. Um OK. Hopefully that is said more out of defensiveness than a massive ego. Because well if it's from a position of ego I don't really have anything positive to say or think about Bill. I honestly didn't remember the names of the post Kath singers other than Cetera of course. Let alone what they've done post the pop hits they made for Chicago.

[@LoyalOpposition]

Sounds like Champlin pulled that out of thin air. I really enjoy Bill's interviews, but felt the best vocalist replacement is Neil Donnel, who can do Cetera's parts (in the same key, too) and Lamm's (Robert didn't appear on the last four shows of this tour, so I didn't see them.. yet).

[@brushman20]

With complete respect to Terry Kath, Bill was right on in saying no to sounding like him. What artist wants to try to sound like other people (other than Billy Joel)? Bill C is a great vocalist and brought a ton to Chicago. They were lucky to have him so long. Jason for that matter too.

[@mdwayne741]

I agree....Bill Champlin and Jason are amazing.

[@frodofraggins]

@@mdwayne741 He should of left it at that. His ego demanded he add that Terry had studied him in the past so why would he go and try to sound like someone that copied him.

[@davemortillaro8485]

champlin couldn't carry terry kaths jock

[@TrinityParaziader]

Ha Ha. If I can't say something nice then I shouldn't say anything at all 😠

[@joeydonuts5646]

Hi Trinity. Walt's daughter?

[@LoyalOpposition]

"Read my father's lips"

[@DropAnchor1978]

Bill does have that million dollar voice. He enhances whatever he is involved in. I can spot his voice a mile away. I remember listening to The Tubes Outside Inside album, not knowing Champlin was a session guy on it. Then I heard that timbre and thought, "Foster produced this, now it makes sense".

[@peanutbutterisfu]

It’s great that recording is so cheap now but you can tell when a band doesn’t get into a studio together with a great producer because the music is too tame it doesn’t have that clash of the titans feel.

[@AffordableEscapesShreveport]

As in the other Series on these interviews w Bill- I indicated the whole deal w Lamm & the 3 drunk horns in rehab. As for Kath- O God how many times do we have to go over this people! Kath wasn't going to last much longer due to his style! Yes he was absolutely great w his unique style In THE 70S. That Jimi Hendrix style was fading fast, Terry Knew it. He was intelligent enough to know it. And he told his wife that & he told Peter that. You had Disco & Ballads coming on strong. There was nothing he could do about it- he couldn't compete w that any longer. That's WHY We Had the Blonde Guy! Peters voice could easily transition! He was more versatile. I will say it again- Terry had his place for awhile. Music was changing at a rapid clip! Most guys in the 80s didn't like love ballads back then. But EVERY BAND was doing them- it was the absolute trend & Peter Became THE VOICE. like it or not. I Came to see the HOT Blonde! And this band was smart enough to know he's what I Wanted! The female population dug the Ballads & we Were the Ones keeping these Bands in business!

[@AffordableEscapesShreveport]

@@bobthebear1246 let's just say 70s ROCK Was Rock in its truest form. No question. Absolutely. I loved the 70s and 80s for diff reasons. The 80s you STILL Had the Doobies- Foreigner- Boston- alot of bands & theze guys were still HOT. It was the 90s when MUSIC started to turn to boy bands & not true musicians.

[@victoriakrause8711]

Terry was going to start recording a solo album the day after he died.

[@yoty79]

Little One?

[@LoyalOpposition]

I bet you can't produce "And he told his wife that & he told Peter that." - I know you have a mixed up head with amalgamations from all over the place.

[@benjimartinnc]

Personally besides Peter Cetera, Bill Champlin was the best thing that happened to Chicago because on songs like Hard Habit To Break, his baritone voice accompanied Peter's tenor unlike no other.

[@lamarravery4094]

And Bill was the lead vocalist on Chicago 19. Their 3 singles were all top 10 songs and sung by Bill. 19 was a departure from the high tenor voice that we all associated with Chicago and there was definitely room for other vocalists to shine besides Peter and Jason. I remember first listening to the radio in summer of 88 and a new song comes on and the dj says that's a new one from Chicago. I knew it was Bill and I was surprised but thought it was cool that they were using his vocals for a change. And it worked, he had 3 hits off that album and it was a great album.

[@artvandelay8090]

Bill Champlin ruined a lot of Chicago songs with his twangy, whiny falsetto and what he did singing lead on Make Me Smile was horrendous. It sounded like they picked up some country bumpkin off the set of "Green Acres" and said, "hey, can you sing this song?" Once Champlin was a part of that band, I couldn't listen to it anymore.

[@justatalismanpassingby4106]

@@artvandelay8090 He's good singing his own Songs, IMO.

[@justatalismanpassingby4106]

Hate It when those Fans Kept bringing Terry Kath's Death! Should just let him Rest In Peace...

[@stevencochran5301]

Sorrowfully, productions. The Foster was only outweighing his contract. The bail was if Cetera wanted to replace Foster. Donned dividends, huh?

[@milanomaker]

Bill’s voice was one of the reasons the fans came to see them when 16 & 17 came out. It certainly wasn’t Pankow, who never said anything positive about Champlins contributions. After Chicago 14 came out, I thought they were done. That album was horrible. Foster saved their asses,and Pankow bitched about that years later.

[@Faltor895]

I thought Song for you, Thunder and lightning and the American Dream were good.

[@odetteswann7694]

@@Faltor895 I love 'Song for You'.

[@donnascott4833]

That did seem odd.

[@TheBandL3]

Champlain's best vocals with Chicago were when he was asked to be the "Terry" of the band (Bad Advice, Follow Me, Only You, etc). As soon as he started getting comfortable with that weak LA Soul style and be the "Bill" of the band it went downhill. He has claimed many times he rarely felt he fit in with the fans. He's right.

[@LoyalOpposition]

his voice got tinny when he lost weight.. Personally, I think the best three singers in Chicago were Kath, Lamm, and Cetera - all for different reasons. Kath had soul. Lamm was smooth. Cetera could soar.

[@dawnepps3565]

I don't even know who Bill Chamlin is. I have heard other interviews with Chicago members. He seems a little conceited.

[@dkinblu]

Full of himself

[@garyharding5587]

I did not like Chicago 16 because Lamm did not sing on the album. I prefer Lamm's singing over Cetera's & Champlin's. However Lamm did more on Chicago 17, which was good.

[@lamarravery4094]

Lol, without Cetera and Champlin, Chicago would've been dead. Cetera and Foster were the reason for the rebirth of the band.

[@LoyalOpposition]

It's obvious the first question was a lob for Bill to tell the world Robert had problems. When they fired Champlin, Bill said something like, "Robert is no bag of laughs, either" (after Robert said the firing had to do with Bill's negativity).

[@user-lm2it4su3m]

I’m sorry to say Champlin is the worst thing that Chicago did. What were they thinking?

[@fry9700]

This guy should’ve been carrying Terry Kath‘s equipment. What an ego, for a guy that almost nobody even knows exists. He took Chicago downhill, some of their worst stuff. Goofy, sappy love songs. Yuck.

[@sinisterhandgsm]

Agreed...how did he say that Kath was into him? Terry Kath out sings and out plays him all day

[@timarnold7239]

The 1980s was the "ME" decade? Almost as much narcissistic self-indulgence and divisive attitude as we have now in the 2020s. I have always been a Sons of Champlin fan from the age of 14 when I heard them play at Del Mar Autumn Equinox Festival in '69. TBH, I lost interest in Bill's later solo stuff and maybe that was David Foster's influence. A little too "produced" and ballad-heavy. I'd rather hear Bill soul-scat to his Hammond B3 at a Mill Valley pub than any of David Foster-children's processed Yacht Rock. I loved early Chicago. Even before Kath died, I felt they were tilting a bit "too commersh." But I suppose that is what was selling. And like Bill admitted to friends, "...the tours were brutal but the money was REAL GOOD!" Top 40 bubble gum horn bands weren't my deal. I stuck with Tower of Power and Cold Blood if I was in the mood for some sophisticated funk-jazz-rock fusion. Lamm probably felt expendable and replaced when Foster brought Bill in. I sure AF would've. This sort of drama is why I went with graphic design instead of music.

[@lincolnadams83]

Terry was listening to Bill....? I have a lot of respect for Bill...but Terry never sounded like Bill. EVER. And Bill, fortunately, never sounded like Terry.

[@kennbo1]

Champlin is talented but what an ego.

[@lindaloe]

I Dident Like BILL when He Tried To Sing TERRYS 🎵 🎶 🎵 Songs BILL Was Great ON His Own Songs.

[@steely_Bob]

Never liked Champlin’s voice.

[@jrsdsu1986]

Champlin,, get over yourself. You kill every song you touch, you choke and kill the melody in your preposterous runs. Your attitude on stage for years was bitter and detached. You couldnt have cared less about the audience. In concert, you were cold and indifferent. I'm glad you're out of the band.

[@LoyalOpposition]

Great comment. He over-sings and I never liked his voice. He's an interesting interviewee, but if you watch enough, you'll see his agenda (besides himself). His voice sounds like tin, and his B3 playing is unoriginal.

[@ginohernandez3770]

Champlin is when Chicago sucked....

[@LoyalOpposition]

70s Chicago is the best... by far!

[@samcockrell]

Robert lamm was weak and definitely replaceable 2 songs is all he should ever sing Bill Champlin had to play all the real keyboard shit

[@rhm5158]

You have no clue what you are talking about. Go have a listen to the first 5 albums

[@LoyalOpposition]

@@rhm5158 Some think "He who sang it wrote it" not knowing Robert Lamm almost carried that band during the 70s, even doing a lot of the horn arrangements (on his songs, anyway) with Jimmy sometimes adding/helping.

[@sinisterhandgsm]

Really? How many hits did he write? Chamblin has talent but is a pimple on Lamms and Kaths Culo

[@willard2729]

In no sane universe can this creep criticize Robert Lamm