Which beats Yellow faster? Physical Chansey versus Special Rhydon

Movesets are incredibly important. But even with the strongest moves, could OU champs like Chansey and Rhydon beat the game with moves that only use their worst stats?
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[@ZorotheGallade]

Chansey's advantage is that she gets to use her huge Special defensively.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

This is definitely a big factor!

[@nikolasjohnson6946]

That's not really enough to help Chansey though. Sure 105 special defense is nice but there's still the pesky 5 in both physical attack and defense. Rhydon meanwhile has 120 physical defense and 45 for each special. So I'd give the edge to Rhydon given the attack stat it's using its higher and it has better coverage along with the fact it outstrips Chansey by miles in physical defense while not getting beat nearly as bad in special defense. Also most the advantage conferred by Chanseys higher HP stat and slightly faster Speed stat is lost due to being restricted to only physical moves being allowed therefore it takes longer to down an opponent giving them plenty of chances to fight back.

[@ZorotheGallade]

There's only a handful of notable trainers who use physical attacks, though. Koga, Bruno, Lance, and the rival's Rhydon. Everything else is Special. Whereas not only Special type trainers abound in gen 1, but with the exception of fire and electric none of them are resisted by Rhydon.

[@dstreetz91]

Chansey's biggest advantage is being only super weak to physical and fighting type moves, which there is a lack thereof. Rhydon's advantage is that diverse moveset does give it perfect coverage since you never fight Chansey, which would be a nightmare for special rhydon until it got frozen particularly if it had it's signature move in softboiled. While Rhydon gets absolutely bashed by water/grass since quad weak and low special compounds the problem. I'm betting hydro pump from Gyarados always kills it if it hits, although Gyarados luckily has poor special since it's a physical mon it still has STAB. I knew it would be the only big issue for it would be that on the Lance fight because ice beam is 4x effective vs. dragonite and the rest of the team it's 2x at least with dragonair not having much special either.

[@dylanangsengsiatsass2688]

There’s a problem with what you said. Gyara’s special uses it’s sp def in later generations. So instead of base 60 sp atk, it’s 100@@dstreetz91

[@treyparkerofficial]

Special Rhydon all day

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Let's see if he surfs to victory

[@MarioMoss69]

Rhydon sure is special alright 😂😂😂

[@neuchatelxanax]

Yup, always taught Rhydon Surf as a kid 😂

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

MemeZilla 's always been my special boy

[@Gfitty]

i had no doubts rhydon win the race, but chansey made that a lot closer than i thought.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Truth, and I think it all came down to the moveset upgrade and Chansey needing so much luck on Agatha

[@PureStealth]

I love your gym leader intros, they are spectacular

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you! I enjoy them too, as the anime nerd that I am 😂 And I intentionally make every one a scene of Ash getting wrecked

[@dragonslayerz2220]

If you're training for damage ranges, it might be worth considering how rounding interacts with the damage formula, making levels ending with 0, 3, 5, or 8 extra impactful. Could mean less resets.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yep, I know my damage rounding formula. However, I runs like this where a Pokemon simply has to grind a lot, it's often best to simply blackout grind against a Gym Leader or Rival provided we can easily beat 2-3 of their Pokemon. So you may see some irregular levels because I was just repeating attempts. Also, ai never grind wils pokemon

[@boblabon]

Prediction is that Rhydon will dominate the early-mid game, and Chansey will start catching up around Rival 5/Sabrina, but it won't be enough and Rhydon will finish before Chansey reaches the Elite 4

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I definitely agree that Rhydon has the better early-game and Chansey the better mid-game. I'd say it's a fair prediction!

[@DarkAuraLord]

This is some of the best editing I have ever seen, do you do it yourself? Seriously, it's crispy clean. The trainer transition screens, dual screen layout, the HUD to make it easier to follow - seriously top notch stuff.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I am a one-man show. I am still working on improving as an editor, but always glad to hear positive feedback! There are plenty of mistakes and things to clean up,

[@DarkAuraLord]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Well you do an excellent job, my dude. It always blows me away how there's so much unrecognized talent on this platform. You've definitely earned my sub, and hopefully many others to come.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

@@DarkAuraLord That's amazing, thank you DarkAuraLord!

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

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[@tallgom]

I read this comment before I watched and I was like 'yeah right.. No way it's going to look that good..' and I'll be damned if I wasn't hugely wrong. The cuts and editing were so good. Very crispy!

[@Eggsceptional]

This video is absolutely fantastic. Keep up the great work. I enjoy watching you suffer with Rhydon so that I don't have to :)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

We need to do a cross Gen Egg themed run!

[@ElysetheEevee]

I love all the supplemental information for each side. Very nice! Interesting comparison. I'm not expert on the intricate stuff regarding early Pokemon games, but my gut says Rhydon wins. I played tons of early Pokemon when it came out in the US and learned a lot just by doing, even if I didn't know the formulas behind it. Poor late-game Rhydon, though; it seems like it'll be difficult just thinking about it quickly. It'll have a lot of obstacles type-wise.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Good predictions! Thank you for watching!

[@gabriellejacquiet9925]

Welp this is definitely cursed. It's crazy both needed a considerable amount of luck to win. Enjoyed the video!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

It was insanity, but we got it done 😂

[@Netroshin]

Fun Fact: You can teach SURF to RHYDON and SURF on any RHYDON statue in all arenas😂 That's why Rhydon can learn Surf😂 (actually no, but it would be awesome if this is true😂)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

If this were true, that would just be plain amazing and Hilarious 🤣

[@ausse777]

There were quite a few freezes that happened because of Ice Beam. I assume Rhydon would have probably still won, but I am curious as to how it would have played out without freezes.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

That many attempts and Freezes are inevitable.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

That is a huge part of why the special set is SOOOO much better that physical sets in Gen 1: Status. The fact that anything that learns ice Beam has a 10% chance to completely eliminate one of the opponent's Pokemon on any given turn is truly OP. Like I mentioned at the end, without the move upgrade at the league I think Rhydon would have needed level 100, and without status, I think it definitely needs level 100

[@vreeze33]

I'm going with special rhydon due to the coverage, but misty, erika and Lorelei might be difficult to get through though.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Exactly this. The type coverage and status from Memezilla's moveset is a big advantage, but two 4x weaknesses are hard to overcome

[@DeathScyther006]

type coverage and an offensive stat which is 9x higher.... doesn't seem like that much of a competition.@@RBYPokemonChallenges

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

And yet it's basically neck and neck?

[@dtsnelson]

​@DeathScyther006 chansey also has gigantic special which is also defensive in gen 1 so that is doing a lot of heavy lifting

[@thetwiggamingchannel9578]

I just came for the funny Rhydon using surf, didn't expect to find some of the most top tier content ever but it's a welcome surprise, subbed :)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

That's awesome, thanks for watching!

[@DkKobaADV]

i wanna say... this is a concept and title that drew me in immediately in a way I rarely am.... this one did something right for you

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

That's awesome! Thanks for watching!

[@anthonycarey9932]

This is a great question! Happy I found this channel.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Welcome and thanks for watching. There's lots more to come, including more like this and some solo run content.

[@theratpatch3936]

I’m ecstatic to see my comment about this idea a few videos back come to fruition so quickly. Great video as always RBY!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thanks for the idea! It t was way too much fun not to try!

[@rockvent918]

a run like this with the same mons in gen 4 sounds fun. chansey could use SD and E speed and rhydon could power gem/ancientpower and earth power.great video

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

That would be cool! I'll keep it in mind foenthebfuture

[@donaldbruce7559]

What a great idea 😂 looking forward to the end

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@KikoLondorShade]

Definitely had my money on Rhydon. Who was gonna tell me that bodyslam paralysis got buffed to 80% instead of 30?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Feels that way, right? But it's balanced by the fact that Submission is clearly a 20% accuracy move 😂

[@KikoLondorShade]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges those bodyslams had me yelling at my tv like my alcoholic stepdad during a Superbowl game. My boy Rhydon got robbed at every corner and still came out on top.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, there were some really lucky spots for both Pokemon. Chansey getting the Tackle miss on the second attempt at the Self-Destruct Hiker, Rhydon's freeze to end it on the Champion, etc. Both fought hard, but really both were inconsistent and I think with different rolls it could have ended differently

[@Psycheux_]

lovely video as always! ^ω^ can't wait for the 4k special~

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you! I'm working on it this weekend, going to be a fun special!

[@derAlphabet]

Chansey, less weaknesses, more hp. Even though special seemed always more powerful in the earliest gen. I am excited to watch!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

This one will be very interesting. I think it's also worth noting that Chansey is in th fast level group while Rhydon is in the slow level group

[@derAlphabet]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges I love these weird concepts! It was a (fire)blast to watch!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

The pun is amazing!

[@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat]

I love how unique this video is. You have earned yourself a sub. Also this must have been a nightmare to edit. Massive props dude.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, the versus runs are nightmares to edit, but I like the final result and the side-by-side back-and-forth structure personally

[@TheRandomGuyTheFarNoGameCat]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges it's absolutely an awesome format. :)

[@catlinkerswell3696]

Awesome video man. Really something to watch and a unique challenge to take on. Good work man !

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you! I gotta give credit to the commenters for the basic concept, I just try to give the people what they want

[@chickenchaser35HeartFable]

21:10 Remember, Gen 1 Frozen can only go away if you use a fire move afterwards. So for neutral damage, the chance for freeze is just as good as sleep.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Fact

[@celticv]

I really enjoyed this video I reckon you should do this again!!! But with gen 2 maybe even with gen 2 pokemon

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Sounds like a job for GSC Pokemon Challenges 😆

[@gibospartan6185]

"If he went hard on mega kick and hit us every time we might have lost" He he he. 'Hard-on'.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

🤣 Even I missed that one

[@hadesthegod9181]

Hey I haven't watched your channel in quite a few months, but it's good to be back. 30k views in 3 days, that's sick. Always a fan of what you do!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Hey Hades the God! Thanks for checking it out! Long time no see!!!! Yeah, I have been oina bit of an uptick recently. Not sure how far it'll go or if it will keep up, but I'm just trying to enjoy and make good content!

[@gamingxpert5596]

"Both fill specific niches in the meta" Chansey: am i a joke to you?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Kind of 😂

[@HELLRAISER02]

This race makes me think bout that scene where spongebob and squidward are racing to the krusty krab to be employee of the month and are dragging themselves with huge weights, just STRUGGLING

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

This is an awesome and perfect analogy. And I knew thes would be terrible going in (thus why this video took forever 😂) but it really illustrates the point of how important movesets are, and that top-tier sets like the MemeZilla set still suck if put on the wrong Pokemon

[@HELLRAISER02]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges i figured memezilla would win cuz type coverage with 45 special vs phys +5 atk would be pathetic, but it was still fun to watch

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, Type coverage was huge. I think if I redid this and "optimized" we could get these two even closer. The ultimate point honestly is that both were terrible, but possible, and they're actually incredibly close

[@Kaspar502]

"You win the game of you can just one shot everything" Imported Cheese collab confirmed

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Someday! I love me some Imported Cheese!

[@zeridoz4464]

First time I played pkmn blue I had a lvl 36 Charizard before beating misty

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, I did similar things. I used to level up to at least the next Gym Leader's level with my whole team before fighting. I had the basic guides from Nintendo Power magazine as a kid when these first came out, so I knew the levels of their Pokemon in my first playthrough 😂

[@Ghost-dx8mm]

Would love to see these one pokemon at a time rather than both at the same time, dont care how long the video is, gladly watch the whole thing. Just feels like theres too much going on. Just my opinion. This is the first time I've came across your channel so I'm going to like, comment, and subscribe :)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

For races like this, I do side-by-side, but don't worry, both will get their own videos exploring strategy optimizations and more normal-style playthroughs as well

[@Ghost-dx8mm]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Awesome :) and hey, thanks for replying man. Looking forward to watching much more of your content.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Funny thing: Rhydon does utilize Blizzard back in Nintendo Cup 97 due to the fact that Blizzard had a 30% chance to Freeze. But, ever since they nerfed Blizzard internationally, it's basically never seen.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

For sure, I mean when it was 30% to freeze, everything had to have Blizzard lolol

[@revantobias8567]

new subscriber. I'm a Jrose11 fan and I've watched a couple of videos. I enjoy your more systematic approach to scoring and the stats and move on screen. I'll be watching your Playlist. also nice to see you do Yellow since Jrose does Red Blue as his bread and butter. Also those Misty thumbnails, nice.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Lol, you're looking at the old ones 😂

[@revantobias8567]

​@RBYPokemonChallenges what can I say, the thumbnail is nice.

[@PrincessGoth574]

this is such a silly idea for a video and i love it. just found your channel recently thanks to the yt homepage

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you PrincessGoth! I hope you enjoy, there's more coming!

[@0-0-0freedartmonkey9]

Fat chance:i am inevetable (didn't struggle against the mid game as much as memezilla did) Memezilla:and i am memezilla (upgrades it's moveset)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

😂 The Avengers reference is on point!

[@Darchias]

I knew Rhydon would win. 45 SPL is just better than 5 ATK. Was a lot closer than I thought!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Very close

[@IvanGarelli]

New viewer here. Loving the content. I couldn't help but notice that the moving background is likely wasting bitrate, causing the video to be blurrier than it should.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

For sure. I will check into that.

[@Zafire063]

This was actually pretty close! I wasn't expecting Chansey to do as well as it did. Definitely one of the more fun ones.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah this was a fun challenge

[@bateltheassistant]

Fat chance and Memezila were having some interesting results. While both are at both ends of the spectrum, they both had similar struggles,but Their path to victory was starting to change once you were hitting the mid game😮. I guess that 45 base special is not that bad compared to 5 base attack (even at level 100 it didn't get to be a three digit number 😂😂😂). Maybe Fat chance could have a chance against a Karby with only special moves because it has only 20 base special or against a hitmonchan with the elemental punches. By the way,this is your best video yet 😊 I hope that this one could get you to 10k subs because you really deserve it.😄

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you so much Batel. This one was actually really interesting because the result was so close! Hitmonchan with Elemental Punches could be q fun run, but I would have to shout out your run since you did it first!

[@bateltheassistant]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Go for it. I hope that you'll get some better results than I did if you'll ever end up doing that.😁

[@Nekromant05]

Most amazing thing about this run: How well the Lv. 10 Squirtle takes hits!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

It is a beast 😂

[@Muzgrob]

Really great video. I expected lick at 100 to do a little more. Shame chansey hit that luck wall though. Though did you consider stalling for a swap then taking wing attack off golbat? Not super effective but more power?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

So the math works out such that Lick is better. It's 20 base power w/ a 2x super effective bonus, making it effectively 40 power against ghosts. Wing Attack in Gen 1 is only 35 base power.

[@shaunduggan8605]

Only about halfway through the video, hoping that seismic toss chancey gets a comparison tho, would love to see how huge an impact it makes

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

There are some plans for more Chansey nonsense in the works

[@someguy2690]

A little off topic but a Quiver Dance Baton Pass mixed attacking Rhydon(or similar pokemon) spunds really intriguing.. same with a Swords Dance or Bulk Up baton passed to Alakazam.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

If I ever do some later Gen stuff, those sound fun to try!

[@Polyphony1987]

Get this man to 10k!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

We're at 5k now lol

[@1Mystery10000]

Wow Rhydon was just super lucky against Giovanni. Not only the outspeeds because of the badge boost glitch, but guard spec and fissure miss from Dugtrio into 2 Guard Specs on -4 Def against Nidoking and Nidoqueen who would have crushed with Earthquake. (A double kick you might have survived) wow. (At this point I still don't know but I am pretty sure that you have to grind for Lorelei anyway so I guess it doesn't matter for the race but WOW.)

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah there were some pure luck moments for MemeZilla, but I think that's a big part of Pokemon. Still it could have made this one even tighter without that level of luck

[@Pheanir]

I think this challenge was really interesting to watch. Well done! =) One thing that kind of put me off throughout the video - unfortunately - was the way your voice is recorded. I like that it's loud and clear to hear, but the way words with letters that require you to push air out through your lips (b, d, f, k, p, t, s, z, etc) seem to be 'enhanced' in their distinctness. Lowering the volume of the video only did so much to help with that, so I thought I'd bring this up as some overall editing feedback.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you for the feedback. I'll see what I can do to improve that. I am getting a new mic next weekend, so hopefully as I get that dialed in I will be able to work on the mic positioning as well and reduce those airy/plosives

[@philipmurphy2]

RBY and GSC Pokemon Challenges is worth watching.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you Philip Murphy! Also, I will be doing the next GSC Pokemon Challenges video this weekend!

[@philipmurphy2]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Probably put that on while playing Pokemon Trading Card Game as thats on Nintendo Switch Game Boy now.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Really!? PTCG is 😍

[@TopVideoGameMusics]

Perfect video. Any chance you can say the time stamps for each Pokémon at each gym? For example it took chansey 15 minutes and 23 seconds for Brock while it only took rhydon 11 minutes and 10 seconds.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, I can add this in in future versus challenges! I didn't want to break the flow of the race too much by stopping to compare times, since the footage and timers are synced throughout the run, but I get that some people like the splits

[@ningyoangel551]

I'm so happy to see that my physical chansey without softboiled made the cut, and I expected rhydon to win from the start, after all chansey only has 5 attack where rhydon has over 40 special, like yes it gonna die to a horsea but it will output about 4 to 5 times the damage chansey can, but at the end of it chansey was way closer to rhydon's time than I expected, really great runs and video, I loved it, great job like always RBY ❤

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I think a lot of people underestimated Chansey, but it's special bulk, faster level up speed, and the fact that Level is a big part of damage calculations made this one not as bad as most would expect. There will be more Chansey shenanigans upcoming, planning to record something over the weekend

[@ningyoangel551]

@RBYPokemonChallenges well I expected it to be possible, yes, but seems like that even myself underestimated no softboiled physical chansey a tiny bit, like I did expect it to not be that bad due to the reasons you already said, aka special and exp, but yeah way closer run than I though. And you're saying that there will be more chansey shenanigans, but have you still come up with anything for the other 2 kings of OU, snorlax and Taurus? BTW I think a special only golem run would be interesting, for the only reason being to compare it to rhydon, after all they are both staples on OU tiers, and some people prefer using golem over rhydon. I'm saying this but I don't even remember how many special moves golem knows xD Anyhow I love your work, keep the great content and remember to always have fun and not force yourself to do something you don't like ❤️

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Cheers, I have some follow-up on Chansey to answer questions like how it would have done with Seismic Toss, Bide, etc Snorlax and Tauros are going to need something, so I may add it to the next poll on what the fan wants to see. Special Golem, but I think in Gen 1 it only learns Fire Blast, so it would need a cheated in moveset. Again, I think Golem will have to be done at some point, but he'll need a minute

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

A fire Golem sounds silly and interesting

[@jussioman]

Congratulations for 4k subs. Looks like you might as well start to work on 5k special soon!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Seriously! Will I even finish the 4k special before 5k?

[@jussioman]

Possibly not but nice to see your channel growing. :D@@RBYPokemonChallenges

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, it's nuts!

[@olesiaalekkou]

I would love to give you some feedback; if you don’t want to read please ignore my message. In the early days of your KZbin videos sometimes while commenting, there were a lot of long pauses sometimes even 10 seconds with out you talking. Now you have significantly improve this and (at least for me) it’s more enjoyable watching. Keep it up !

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you! I'm always trying to improve. There are lots of things to work on... editing, audio, gameplay,.... Just trying to improve little things easy time!

[@joshsimpson1283]

Imagine if Chansey learned earthquake. I feel like this would have been a totally different competition

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I definitely agree with that. Full coverage would have made Chansey OP 😂

[@thelastmagnifi8369]

My question is why doesn't this guy have more subs, this is actual peak content 😮

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I appreciate that. The channel has actually been growing really fast since this came out, almost to 5k! Thank you for watching and supporting!

[@thebigbean8783]

Rhydon without a doubt in my mind I run special moves on that thing all the time I was far too confident. The pokemon stadium music was making my heart sing

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

lol, it was fun and overall a very good run from MemeZilla. Nice call

[@chunnin33]

I Slash, U Slash, We All Slash; but you ain't no god damn Sandslash

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Facts

[@DoctorNovakaine]

I remember when I ran a team that had a Charmeleon, Nidoking, Sandslash, Arcanine, and a special Rhydon and special Marowak. I was just trying to zip through the game for some reason, I don't remember what, and all the Pokémon were heavily overleveled, so I didn't really have issues (I'm pretty sure they were ported from my boxes on Stadium). I'm now super curious to see how things would change with max DVs. These two in particular seem like they'd be good candidates for testing what kind of impact DVs have, because A) they have low scores at the baseline but B) they have movesets that have a lot of potential upsides even with the mismatch with the stats. (Contrasted to something like Mewpoo, whose moveset won't appreciably benefit from DVs, or Godkarp, who relatively breezed through even at 0 DVs so there's not much higher to go).

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

True, I think a Max DVs rerun could be in order. No plans to do that immediately, but certainly something worth trying

[@Loozar402]

Had to watch this video just because the premise was so intriguing. Is Rhydon the fully evolved Gen I Pokémon with the lowest Special and most diverse Special movepool?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Of fully evolved Pokemon, I believe it has the lowest special stat while still being able to learn all the major special attacks.

[@Kekskuchen666]

Really enjoying your stuff, literally my only suggestion is that you might wanna use a noise gate (you can set up a basic one in OBS) or different mic position for your recording setup because your mic is picking up a lot of your mouse clicking noises. Otherwise, I am hooked, keep it up

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I hear you. I am working on this as we speak. I actually am changing to a condenser mic for better off-axis rejection. But hopefully I can get the noise suppression more dialed in as well.

[@Kekskuchen666]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Glad you are looking into it! When that is the biggest thing I can criticize about what you are doing, you are honestly on a very good track. Keep up the fantastic work, I am loving the silly and unique challenges!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Absolutely. The new mic comes next week, and I changed to a controller to help, but just fair warning, a couple of upcoming videos are previously recorded and have the same issue, including the Smeargle video coming this weekend. I would redo the audio, but the real-time commentary taking my playful jabs at Scott's Thoughts for saying I would cry trying minimum battles are the heart of that one... 😂

[@Kekskuchen666]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Entirely fine! I am currently getting a new mic for my own stuff so I was just feeling the struggle from having had the same problem with difficult to cancel out clicky noises. I will enjoy the videos either way x)

[@wiseguise5960]

Found your channel recently from the Mewpoo video and I gotta say you got some really interesting ideas! I also like how you score the runs out of 100 points, but I am wondering about the 'TM' and 'broken TM' points. You deduct a point for teaching TM moves? That seems like kind of a moot thing to lose points for since you HAVE to teach TMs to progress through the game. And I have no idea what broken TMs are?

[@Canaris4]

Broken TM's are moves that anyone can learn. Bide, Toxic, and Double Team. Bide is on that list because there are a lot of pokemon that can't beat the game without resorting to that move.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Do on the channel to date I have done 18 Pokemon that beat the game without a single TM move on Minimum Battles (no optional battles grinding). It's for this reason that I deduct points for TMs, because for the truly best of the best they are completely unnecessary. As for broken TMs, they are moves that can be exploited for major advantages, moves that all Pokemon can learn (except those that can't learn any TMs), and moves that lead to really unoriginal strategies. Don't worry, this will be explained even more in the upcoming 4k special, where we'll be using broken TMs to do some truly silly things in the game

[@wiseguise5960]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges aahh that actually makes a lot of sense!

[@wiseguise5960]

@@Canaris4 thanks for explaining that!

[@nutmegdoesstuff1339]

Huh, does the magnemite not depriorotize its electric moves because they're coded wrong and not counted as resisted for some rereason while the normal moves are, or did it just get weird rolls?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Gen 1 "Smart AI" does very weird things. In the Rhydon fight, it doesn't differentiate between 'resisted' and 'ineffective', so it will just perfectly randomize its moves against Rhydon.

[@NinjaBear1993]

If you think about it, chances had less of a chance to cause statics effects unlike Rhydon. Rhydon could burn causing lowered attacks, paralyzed which can skip a turn, and freeze that will stop the other pokemon from fighting. Chansey could only paralyze another pokemon. So I give it to Chansey for being mainly strong out there, sacrificing her life to be a physical fighter.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Fair assessment. I mentioned it in other comments, but I think status played a bigger roll than stats at getting MemeZilla through

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Also technical note, your "The Champion" intro has some white background between the arms and body of the champion, and a "Press Esc to Exit" pops up during it.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, I used a "glitch" effect in DaVinci Resolve when making it, but I may go back and edit this one up a bit more. Also, not seeing the watermark is the curse of being a low-vision creator 😆 I'll look at that when I get to the edit.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges No worries man the quality of the content way overshadows stuff like this

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

For sure I appreciate the feedback, because it helps me know what to look for when I go back through it in the next video

[@shawn3126]

41:19 this part always get me

[@taketheirheads]

You mentioned that body slam has the ability to paralyse in the first fight with the Eevee, in Gen 1 you normal types can't be paralysed by body for the same reason that electric types can't be paralysed by thunder wave.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, I knew that and just flubbed in the video I even mentioned it in the live commentary on Rival 3 😂

[@Joel97_]

Electric types can be paralyzed by Thunder Wave until Gen 6. They can't be paralyzed by Thunderbolt/Thunder/Thundershock. If you could burn fire types, poison poison types or freeze ice types in gen 1, that immunity would still be there.

[@Redmage913]

I’m sure it’s habit to do it, but is the Magikarp Fisherman south of Pallet worth the loss to Score?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I always mix up which fisherman on that raft is the Magikarp guy and which is the 3 Seakings guy, so it's always like Russian roulette trying to get the right one for grinding. Today I chose the wrong one 😆

[@cloudt.6669]

Hm. I think there may be a strat to speed up levelling fo Rhydon in the Surge section. Dugtrio can be farmed for XP and guaranteed encounters in the Cave; since Rhy's defense is so massive, he should have no trouble beating the Trios, and they're worth a massive amount of XP. The cost, however, is Repels, but I would imagine the XP yield is much faster than the trainers to the East.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

This may be true. In this one I decided to do no wild Pokemon grinding though, because my overlay only counts optional battles from trainers. I may update this in the future.

[@4Tom4lepus4]

Damn, Memezilla got REALLY lucky with many of these fights!

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, and with statuses like freeze that can happen. This is a big part of why being a special attackers is so much better in solo runs that a physical attackers, not only do the robust special attackers have more type coverage, they also have access to an awful lot of status in freeze, burn, and paralysis to get through tough spots with luck eventually

[@RaycrowX]

46:54 “She tried to Flash us and failed.” Is that a good thing tho 😉

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I always wonder the same thing...

[@lights4569]

idk it feels a little unfair how rydon got to upgrade there moves while chansey could not plus chansey already have a lower attack then rydon special i feel like if there moves stayed the same i think there gonna been more of a fair chance but hey i could be wrong great video

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I agree. I decided to allow it because I felt it was useful to point out that when comparing special attackers and physical attackers in Gen 1, the special attackers almost always have the option of trading some accuracy for Power, while physical attackers generally don't have an upgrade lath via TM.

[@waterierStone]

I knew it was gonna be rhydon. I'm not really used to how yellow plays vs redblue. I imagine they'd be similar, but you'll mimic night shade instead of lick on Agatha. I think Erika would be way harder for rhydon. since you can skip her it would never be that bad, but Koga would be impossible for chansey with self destruct. I think in yellow the gym leaders are easier, but the e4 is harder.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I generally agree with this. I think Koga, Blaine and Giovanni are significantly hard Gym Leaders in Yellow but the earlier gym leaders and rivals are much harder in Red/Blue. So the trade-off is generally an easier early game for a much harder mid-late game in Yellow. Self Destruct would have destroyed Chansey though, so I imagine more lopsided results in Red/Blue

[@olvynchuru1663]

The one playthrough in the history of Pokémon where Egg Bomb would actually be a viable move.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

If only I had used it. The problem was accuracy.

[@TheTuneAce]

Rhydon having earthquake probably would have been the boon it needed to dominate every part of this run

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

basically, yes

[@ByoKora775]

Actually in Gen I-III Dig is only base 60 power, the physical gyms in Gen I are Brock, Koga and Giovanni and then the Elite Four Bruno and Agatha and Special gyms are Misty, Lt. Surge, Erika, Sabrina and Blaine and Elite Four is Lorelei, and Lance and your rival is a mix of physical and special.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Not quite right. From Bulbapedia:" Dig has a power of 100 in Generation I." m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dig_(move) Also, in Yellow Koga is mixing special moves and physical moves, as is Agatha in both versions. And technically everything except Brock mixes physical and special moves in Yellow

[@okolo22000]

In my honest opinion Chansey should’ve had Double-Edge in replace of either Body Slam or Hyper Beam while Rhydon should have Fire Blast & Blizzard instead of Flamethrower & Ice Beam throughout the game (I would’ve kept Thunderbolt throughout the game though.) Do you do all your play throughs with 0 IV and NO vitamins?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I can agree that adding Double-edge might have helped in some spots. I did the stronger moves at the Elite Four, but if I were to "optimize" Rhydon, I'd definitely add Fire Blast and Blizzard much earlier. Thunder is absolutely required for beating Lorelei at leas than Lv 100 too, but could likely be put off until then.

[@garrettreven5144]

34:56 Did your growl fail TWICE IN A ROW?? That's all the bad luck one could expect in life, for such low stakes

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, pretty terrible luck, I must say 😂

[@neuchatelxanax]

That was a great run! Now you can try with Stat Exp deactivated 😂

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I can do that with Gamehook. Would either Pokemon complete the game? Not likely....

[@AMH9000]

Prediction Chansey will have problems at Giovanni, Bruno, and Agatha S-Ross will let Chansey for sure win if it’s allowed. Nvm I just got to the part that says no set damage moves lol. Rhydon will have problems at almost any special gym. Chansey probably wins this.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I think that's solid logic on where they both struggle. There was so much in both runs that I couldn't cover, but the goal is to really see how their stats affect things, which is why no fixed damage moves

[@AMH9000]

For some reason, I thought Chansey could get Rock Slide by TM… because gen1. Would have helped against Agatha, because I forgot just how weak Lick is

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Rock Slide would have been amazing there. Alas, no such luck

[@UnknownVir]

Because Brock can use a full heal when bound, it's definitely more efficient to use another attacking move as its a free turn that way.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

True, but the main point is more about the fact that he doesn't recover the speed drop

[@jussioman]

Okay Rhydon won but lets give Chansey a little credit on submission. Finally the recoil damage doesnt matter at all since he has so crazy HP stat. The runs themselves... Crazy and non predictable just great entertainment.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I was kind of shocked at how well Chansey did until the end. Submission recoil was never a factor, so it just kind of came down to Agatha 😔

[@TalysAlankil]

so it turns out, type coverage won out in the end. i wonder what would happen with a Special mon that has more than normal and fighting as options

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

We can explore that later!

[@yan7821]

Rhydon my beloved, i knew you could do it

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Rhydon is amazing!

[@reeceb4973]

The sprites in yellow are godly.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Gen 1 was truly an incredible time for design, both good and bad 😂

[@HitoHitoNoMiChromosome]

Something I think would change it a good bit is if it had modern special and physical moves instead of it by types like gen1 does

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Truth, Gen 1 was before the physical special split and didn't year have all the types, so this is a case where there simply weren't any good physical moves other than Body Slam and Earthquake, really

[@HitoHitoNoMiChromosome]

@RBYPokemonChallenges I know you really only do gen 1, but now that we talk about it, I think it'd be a good follow-up on this video to redo it in fire red/leaf green. I'm not totally sure how much is added to their move pool, but I love the concept of your video. I'm just curious how it'd be in a more modern scenario. 🤔

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Could be really interesting. I will add it to my list of run ideas!

[@christianlaringe1150]

Challenge idea gen 1 gengar but with shadow ball and ghost switched to special how would it be? Surely much better

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I would definitely love to try backporting some moves etc to do some runs that way. Reached out to GymLeaderMatt for some advice on where to get started on ton patches. Haven't had time to dig into it yet, but I'll keep it in mind for a future run perhaps!

[@mackowens7234]

Why do you not reset when your main poke faints? Doesn’t it add a lot of time letting your whole party faint?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

To keep EXP. When I have lots of faints on the same enemy, I did deposit my Pokemon, so typically all of them having to faint was only in the first 1-3 attempts.

[@marcosnavarro880]

wouldn't turning off the animations significantly change the results?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

I don't think I mentioned in this video, but on this channel I always play with animations on. As a person with low-vision, it is basically impossible for me to play the game without them. That being said, animations do add a bit of time, but since both were played with animations, it's still a pretty fair comparison.

[@ThePlainswalker1]

I feel like submission not having STAB and having less than stellar accuracy should have made it a much less desirable option at times, especially after multiple sand attacks. A 2 hit guaranteed KO with body slam should have been a safer pick than a potential 1 shot with submission should it not? I understand for rock types but normal and ice types? Shouldn't STAB have been better after accounting for potential misses?

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thats fair, I'd have to go back and look at some spots. But the real run-killer here was Agatha, and only Mimic gets us through that one

[@yamiookami]

Looks like the Jynx was jinxed for Chansey.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Seriously a bad luck spot for sure lol. I go into it a lot more in the live commentary linked in the description

[@papacitoloko1117]

I think i remember hearing that in Gen 1, normal types can't paralyze normal types with body slams. Or i might have been off my meds. Idk 😅

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

You're 100% correct. I mispoke in this one

[@SpiderRiderKya]

TIL that Leech Seed heals based on your HP stat (at least in gen 1). I did not know this

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Yeah, it was kind of crazy watching it in real-time, and in the live commentary I have losses on Rival 6 and the Champion as well due to Leech Life making it impossible for Chansey to deal enough damage to KO Cloyster

[@denis2381]

RBY Pokemon Challenges

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Denis 🔥

[@grrman]

I would love to know how things would change with max DVs.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Max DVs would boost both Pokemon's stats significantly at the end. I could test them like that at some point, but at least we know with no DVs both did beat the game

[@JulianimeIsAmazing]

My prediction is that despite the raw stats, or maybe BECAUSE of them, Rhydon has the advantage in both distinctions. While Chansey has the most incredible HP in the game and a terrific special stat to get to tank enemy special moves with, it has pitiful attack and defense, so it can't hit hard (STAB helps a lot, especially STAB Gen 1 mechanics Hyper Beam, but that can only do so much when it's just Normal moves off Chansey attack) AND it can't take hits well on the physical side (but thankfully its HP can cushion a lot more than the opponent). RHYDON has the opposite problem, but to a lesser degree, considering Rhydon also has a RESPECTABLE HP stat even though nothing compares to Chansey, and its physical defense at least is also good, which, even though Rhydon's physical weaknesses seem less exploitable, big moves like Earthquake and Submission and even ordinary tackles and take downs and quick attacks scattered throughout the game will help. Now, its Special being so weak means it can't take hits well specially either, AND it has so many special weaknesses including two 4x weaknesses, but it can at least make use of its incredible move pool with options and most importantly status. Rhydon's coverage means it not only has nothing immune to it, it can actually capitalize on weaknesses AND it can get lucky status, either FREEZE, paralysis, or burn, any of which, especially FREEZE could be crucial. Chansey can get paralysis on non-Normal types, but it will NEVER hit anything super-effectively without also taking recoil, and it will not be as crucial a status as FREEZE.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

All very good analysis. I think the results are really interesting in practice though. There is a gap, but not as big as some may think

[@JulianimeIsAmazing]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges What I didn't even consider, but was probably the biggest determining factor in that gap was what you mentioned at the end about being able to upgrade the special moves. The jump from consistency with the 95 power 100 accuracy moves, to the 120 power moves when you no longer need consistency in accuracy and just need flat out stopping power really made Rhydon's job easier, otherwise it may have needed to get much closer to level 100.

[@playc.holder6432]

11/10 recommendation Yt algorithm 🤌

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Thank you! Hope you enjoy future videos as well#

[@needfood4279]

Another 10/10 The clutch freezes.

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

MemeZilla gets all the luck!

[@deadsoulzzz3650]

cant watch jt now but will leave it in the background for the algorythm, cant wait for saturday to see how chansey will obliterate rhydon

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Deal Soulzzz, you legend! Commenting for the algorithm and background watching 😁 You just might launch this channel to the moon, my guy! Thank you co much! Let me know on Saturday how you feel about the results!

[@deadsoulzzz3650]

@@RBYPokemonChallenges the video was good, what really impressed me how balanced these Mons until s certain point where. Can't wait for the next one.

[@rogierownage]

I didn't expect Chansey to beat Bruno even at level 100, but he sucked more than i thought

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

Bruno, certified chump

[@bananaspice1967]

Wonder how this run would turn out in gen 3. With the special split, abilities, and items

[@RBYPokemonChallenges]

It's something I could look into in the future!

[@bananaspice1967]

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