Which carbon steel is better? Case Crome Vanadium or Rough Ryder T10. Stockman knife battle

[@ThriftyKaniffy]

Nice comparison test. They both performed admirably. Thanks for the sacrificial effort to the hands. Take care Mr. B.

[@MrBarlow]

The sacrifices we make for our knife obsession haha thanks TK

[@susans.2664]

Mr. B, I appreciate the extra effort it took to make this video. It was very informative. Good job.

[@MrBarlow]

Thank you! I’ve been wanting to go this for awhile

[@JollyPeanut]

Great test they both did very well,,, although cuts per $$$ RR wins hands down as you can buy 4 RR knives to 1 Case knife & thats a lot more cutting....Great video Thanks Mr B 👍

[@johnelder4273]

The Case knife's blade seems to be shaped a little differently, flatter. The RR seems to have a little bit more "belly". That bit of curve to the blade will inherently make it a little bit better of a slicer, if the blade steels are indeed equal. Great review. Thanks.

[@dereksteele2284]

So you would carry 4 rough ryders at once to make up for the case? Makes no sense

[@JollyPeanut]

@dereksteele2284 No but I could have 4 Rough Riders to add to my collection for the price of an average Case, I do own several case knives, they are a little pricey for what you get on my opinion.

[@dereksteele2284]

@JollyPeanut any knife that has China stamped on it, isn't a collectible to me. I only collect US made and solingen germany made knives, and maybe a few Japanese and England made knives

[@JollyPeanut]

@dereksteele2284 I hear you. I collect knives from all over the world & some of my best made knives happen to be made in China. Buck Case & Ka-bar all have some of thier knives made in China too. I have nothing against the average Chinese person but I sure do not support the CCP...

[@alpine1600s]

Pete over on his channel Cedric & Ada Outdoors, tested Case's SS and their CV. After sharpening both to similar edges, the CV barely outperformed the SS.

[@MrBarlow]

Yeah I hear a lot that CV will hold a slightly better edge over SS but CV steel is easier to sharpen. I think that is a huge draw to CV

[@theprestriedge4657]

I think you are the first to do this.....I have been wondering about the RR carbon steel since it came out....Great review Sir.

[@MrBarlow]

Pretty comparable to CV in my opinion but for the fraction of the price 👍

[@theprestriedge4657]

@@MrBarlow Yes Sir

[@propblast82nd]

Would love to see you do an in depth overall comparison review of these two knives. Great video , thanks !

[@MrBarlow]

Note taken! I’ll cook something up 👍

[@oddsavage]

Great study.

[@WilliamsKnifeLife]

Great test.. I always liked T10 in Rough Ryder's because they do stainless steel mostly.

[@MrBarlow]

T10 is an awesome steel for the $$$

[@Downhaven]

I've been curious about Rough Ryder's carbon, thanks for the test! I love their price for quality, but I personally hate the swedges they use on most designs.

[@oddsavage]

Rough Ryder's T10 is supposed to be equivalent to 1095 steel. It should be good.

[@Gbull7.62]

It was killing you to give the Rough Ryder credit lol

[@JustineWiniker]

I'm so excited to see this!

[@TBEDC]

I love RR T-10 I have several patterns from them in it

[@MrBarlow]

It’s for sure a great steel for the money. And it will take an awesome patina which I love

[@TBEDC]

@@MrBarlow I love Carbon steel’

[@jdnotariano]

To the people who concluded that Case is the better knife for long term durability, I ask is it 4 times more durable? Since I can cycle between 4 RR traditional knives for the price of a Case.

[@explosivemallard8038]

Case’s prices are definitely quite high. I’ve never broken a Case, but they seem to have a great warranty policy unless you use the blade as a pry bar. I think the price is justified by being such a Pennsylvania product. The bone handles are from Ohio cattle.

[@jdnotariano]

@@explosivemallard8038 fair points 👍

[@garethbaus5471]

I have found that both Case and Rough Ryder knives benefit greatly from being thinned behind the edge although Rough Ryder has an advantage for certain material such as cardboard due to differences in spine thickness and Case has an advantage in softer objects due to its hollow grind. I like both the Case large stockman in CV and the Rough Ryder classic carbon large stockman having owned both at different times, but they both have terrible edge retention.

[@PewgetSoundTactical]

Over the past five years or so, Chinese knives have been generally well made - from traditionals like Rough Ryder to modern folders like Kizer and Civivi.

[@randyblackburn9765]

ive had chrome vanadium that’s very good edge holding but i now have heard that CV is no longer on Case knives so why not? Are their carbon steel blades stamped or etched? Idk but i’ve seen a lot of USA products from global and domestic materials

[@stevehuffman7453]

Case's "CV" is a modified 1095. They added a small amount of chromium (around 5% ~ 10%?. 17% chromium is the minimum required for "stainless" steel.) along with Vandium to their 1095. "T-10" is the Chinese version of 1095, with a small amount of Titanium (less than 2%, if I remember right) added to the alloy. Something to do with improving the carbides and hardenability. Both are a good steel. I don't know for sure, but I think RR runs their T-10 a point or two higher than Case runs their CV. (Case runs their 420HC a point or two softer than everyone else, too.) For the stockman pattern, I'll take the T-10. #1, I can afford a RR more than a Case. #2, Case claims "Blade Rub goes with (the 3 blade 2 spring) Stockman pattern" and they will NOT correct blade rub issues no matter how severe, on their 3 blade 2 spring Stockman. Strange that accusation ... None of my 12 Large, 3 XL RR, Circa 1978 to 1984 Schrade+ XXL Old Timer 858 Lumberjack stockman, GEC 828318 Dixie Stockman, all of which are a 3 blade 2 spring design (the XL RR603 was $9.99 retail off Amazon, with free not PRIME shipping) have blade rub. If Rough Rider can build a large and Extra Large 3 blade 2 spring stockman --- FOR UNDER $10.⁰⁰, why CAN'T Case build one for around $80.⁰⁰ (website price, XL Amber Jigged Bone with CV blades)?!? 😳

[@davidwhiren817]

Union labor !!!

[@dereksteele2284]

Because it cost more to build a knife in America then it does in China. I'd rather pay more to see made in U.S.A on the knife than to see made in CHINA anyways

[@halcooper6059]

As a tool the Rough Ryder would be an easy choice because of cost.

[@MrBarlow]

100%

[@jomamma1750]

As a mechanic, I'll say that it all depends on application. China tools are ok for occasional or limited use or for certain specialty tools like stubby wrenches(you're not breaking one of them) or a brass hammer. For heavy use tools, 'tho, they just won't hold up and you can seriously get wounded from a broken tool. I have both Case's and Rough Ryders and I will tell you there is no comparison in terms of the construction of the knives. You can easily adjust a Rough Ryder blade with an 8oz tack hammer. To adjust a Case you will need to blast it with a 16oz, or perhaps use a little finesse with a 3.5lb cross-pein hand sledge. The Case knives really are that much sturdier. For most pocket knives and users the china knife is probably going to fit the bill just fine. The Rough Ryders have a solid build quality and they are good knives. They also polish up quite easily and look phenomenal if you take the time. For heavy usage or a tough environment like a Diesel Shop or a farm, get the Case.

[@TRONABORON]

As a trucker I have to admit I've used mostly Chinese knives after losing my first 2 American made knives. Looking back throughout the years it is true, Chinese/Pakistan knifes have gotten better.

[@haveaknifeday6253]

Thanks for the video experiments

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

My conclusion after carrying both brands for several years is the Case will be the better choice in the long run. They develop less blade wobble, and are less likely to have things fall off. The handles tend to be more durable, etc. I like both brands, but you are paying for more than just "USA" and the Case tang stamp when you buy a Case. In the long run it is the better knife. But straight out the box, it is going to be very hard to prove than. But everyone needs to make their own choice and everyone has their own needs.

[@MrBarlow]

Very true, if I had to only pick one to keep I would pick the Case regardless which steel might be slightly better. This was more of a blade steel durability test rather a whole knife comparison. I love both brands and they can take my money any day! Thanks Tobias!

[@haveaknifeday6253]

Clearly some do not choose and just buy and enjoy them both.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

@@haveaknifeday6253 Oh I enjoy and use both brands, otherwise I wouldn't be able to give my long term view of the steel. And I'm sure others would argue I'm wrong and plenty of others will say both brands are overpriced junk! That said, I've been carrying a large Rough Ryder Toothpick longer than any Case Knife I ever owned. I'm totally impressed by the build quality and the 440A Stainless steel - especially when you consider I paid $10 for it! (well it would be $15 if they were selling it today!)

[@nitrorc4life1]

Of course case is the more refined brand and enjoy them very much...yet I carry a RR far more often, because they work and work well.

[@Skinnymoose]

Or if you are like me the made in China blade stamp just ruins it.

[@rustyknifelover4463]

I am a fan of T10. Great comparison

[@MrBarlow]

T10 is a great steel from my experience. And it’s fun to play with regarding patinas!

[@ianrosie4431]

Props for testing carbon steel. You just don't see that very often. I've just been giving a 1920s J.Hoyland a sympathetic re-profiling. Someone in the past had, fairly, tried to shape them into at least something. I took my files out... and they didn't work. So that's why the edges were more chipped than worn! I had to resort to diamond. In hardness, the steel felt closest to a VG10 I've worked on this year. It was quite a surprise.

[@zero61288]

What Work Sharp did you use to get 20 degrees? On my precision adjust, I was only able to get 22 on my Case CV large stockman before the stone hit the clamp

[@MrBarlow]

I used the standard $50 precision adjust. I inserted the blade into the clamp the least amount possible that would still be able to hold the knife. The stones came very close to the clamp but they did not touch.

[@zero61288]

@@MrBarlow that’s the same one I have too. I setup my blade the same way earlier and was able to get 20 degrees without it hitting the clamp. Ya learn something new everyday lol

[@reikyfoxxe1847]

I will be the sole owner of my denim micarta t-10 barlow. It will change hands upon my death or be lost. I love it

[@adrianbunyard6015]

I know it's not a proper test but I do whittling with both rough rider and case CV stockman knives. The rough rider does hold a better edge.

[@MrBarlow]

Hey, any use of a knife could be considered a “test.” I actually prefer hearing how knives perform from real tasks like your whittling. Thank you for sharing your experience with Case and Rough Ryder 👍

[@adrianbunyard6015]

@@MrBarlow the best steel I have found is Richards of Sheffield. The knives Richards made were cheap with tin steel clip on decorative handles but the blade steel really is superb. Easy too sharpen and holds a great edge.

[@nitrorc4life1]

My experience with RR carbon steel has been very good.

[@JH_1095]

Great video! Not happy with results but!!!👊

[@garywebb5927]

That Rough Rider looks great with the slanted bolsters and the letter R "brand". The swedges and match strike pulls make the blade look distinctive next to the plain Jane Case.

[@MrBarlow]

It is a good looking knife, especially in the cream yellow! The match strike pull also give it a little more character

[@garywebb5927]

@@MrBarlow I've been using a RR Classic Carbon trapper (very popular here in Texas) a couple months and couldn't be more pleased of how the T10 Steel keeps a fine edge but still has enough flexibility to keep from breaking a blade tip. Also been using the Classic Carbon swayback whittler and a toothpick.

[@garywebb5927]

@@ericpitre4031 your computer is Chinese your telephone is Chinese. Your car is made from Japanese parts and Chinese parts doesn't matter if it's an American brand or not. Even your T-shirt was made with cotton not grown in the USA. Rough Ryder is an American company, only the labor is outsourced. So many Americans make money from their sale; the distributor, the truck drivers, the store owners, etc.

[@ericpitre4031]

@@garywebb5927 Case’s labor is all American. Look i own a few rr’s, they’re fun. Diff is Case knives are cool❄️

[@dereksteele2284]

​@garywebb5927 that's why everything is junk nowadays. I'll only buy American made knives and tools, besides solingen germany knives, I'm very fond of them

[@jamesluther3506]

So I can get four Rough Riders for the price of one Case? 😊

[@jeroenvoss6231]

Conclusion: both are fairly good knives, so all other facts come in to play which one to buy.(price, origin, handle material)

[@erso3302]

Now strop them to see which one is easier to maintain. Every knife dulls, but any knife that takes 20min and a kit to freshen up, will rarely get used. D2, for example.

[@dereksteele2284]

I'd rather have D2 over 440A or 1095 carbon any day. It's not that hard to maintain, you're probably just not very good at sharpening knives

[@Fireworxs2012]

*The thing you need to remember about Case Knives is that with a few exceptions, nearly all major US Based Knife Manufacturers can trace their lineage back to the Case Family. The Case Family is literally the First Family of American Knives. Today they're one of the few companies that still make ALL their knives here the US. Not even the venerable Buck Knife Company can say that. Do You want to support American Jobs and benefit from Made In America Quality? You're going to have pay a little more for it. Thank that crazy idea we Americans all have that we like to have food & electricity and don't want to live in Mud Huts* *I own a lot of Rough Ryder Knives, I also own a lot of Case knives. Head-to-head, Case holds a slight advantage in construction quality. But truth is, if you don't know what to look for, you'll have a hard time spotting it. Blade Steel is basically a Push. (btw, this comparison was very arbitrary and kind of garbage), I will say that RR's QC has jumped up by leaps and bounds over the last few years, whereas Case has remained the same as it's always been. RR also offers some SERIOUS discounts on HTF grip & blade patterns that Case doesn't even offer. (Stoneworx & Candy Patterns) When was the last time Case even offered a Congress Knife?*

[@matthewrix2164]

Looks like the T10 wins to me - on price as well $

[@jerseyknifeguy6382]

Rough Ryder for the win I agree!!!!! Whooooo

[@MrBarlow]

Rough Ryder offers the best traditionals by far for under $20 in my opinion

[@BaxtersBlades]

Both of those knives are great. but priced very different.I really like my RR in T 10 and vg10. They give us the stamped bulster to remind us we got a great deal! Haha

[@dereksteele2284]

That stamped bolster is too tacky

[@permafroost]

Interesting ! thx

[@westbsa7424]

[@mathewgoebel4078]

It doesn't matter how the blade holds up if the hand running it doesn't hold up and I don't know if you've never been told you're supposed to switch hands once in a while😉

[@marcinos303]

Is the board you cut on bamboo? If so, know that nothing will dull your knife like bamboo, because it is not ordinary wood, but wood containing a lot of silicon. That's why Japanese peasants made bamboo spears by cutting off the tip at a large angle - the edges are as sharp as a knife blade. Therefore, it is better to buy a plastic board - it does not damage the knives.

[@markshinton2280]

To me, the RR is clearly still sharper... I think maybe (being USA) you kept going with the RR until you got an oooh! moment? For the price.... RR is the winner EVERYTIME!

[@dereksteele2284]

I'd rather pay 10 times the price for a case

[@lewisgreenway5065]

As you could buy three or four RRs to one Case I would leave the Case and buy RRs every time.

[@MrBarlow]

That is true! And Rough Ryder offers a huge selection of different variety. I like customizing Rough Ryders because I know if I mess it up I’m only out $15

[@andyshaw325]

Not a very good example of the superiority of Chrome Vanadium over High Carbon steel. I wouldn't have a high Carbon tool given to me for nothing. A good test would be to put them in a vice and bend the blade and you will see the high Carbon knife shatter. Chrome Vanadium will not. It's not the cutting performance you are paying for, but toughness. However, for knives High carbon is OK as long as you use it right and don't give them too much abuse. For other tools like sockets or spanners Chrome Vanadium always. You get what you pay for.

[@Itsyaboygert]

I like rough rider but most just look disproportionate and cartoonish