WHICH IS BETTER? FlyJSim Boeing 737 vs 727 | X-Plane 11

[@PeterESSA]

And I would also LOVE a B707!! And a DC8! I love flying without FMC, using VOR/NDB and Civa.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

On other words, you actually enjoy FLYING the plane! We feel the same way. Modern aircraft are more an exercise in computer programming and systems management. Satisfying in its own way, but very different than manual throttles and radio nav!

[@SebastianWoodard]

I enjoy it. I remember jumping from my PMDG -800 to a -200 in honor of my dad. He flew one, HR-TNR. Did my best to have everything set up the way it would have been flying his routes back then.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

What a great idea and story! www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001626926.html

[@SebastianWoodard]

@@FlightBrothersFT that's her. Actually a somewhat high chance he's flying her. She went to SAHSA after the merger, then to WestJet. WestJet kept her hangared for a number of years, and the new registration with WestJet was given to a -700. Well anyway she's owned and preserved as a stationary training bird of some sort at Newcastle Aviation Academy. I hope to visit her one day.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

We wish you luck with the visit! One of the Concordes Lee saw as a child, is believed to be a gate guard at Tolouse. Still have to confirm that, but it would be neat to see it again some 30+ years later.

[@Ayeshteni]

Loving the FlyJSim 727. Would love a 707 and/or a DC-10.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Absolutely agree with that. We used to fly the Michael Wilson 707 a lot (many vids on our channel) before the updates made it unflyable. It never had the quality or depth of the FlyJSim birds, so I've always dreamed of them making one. Feel free to contact them with the request. We take every opportunity to bug them about it.

[@MartindeSchrijverSEO]

I have a trick for the airspeed for the 727. If you want to maintain 300 IAS on cruise level you can set your throttles on 3.000 LBS per hour per engine. This is a trick real 727 pilots also many times used. When you level off at your target IAS speed you can adjust it bit by bit. But in the basic you're quite safe if you use this method.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the tip, we will give it a try.

[@thenormanator9379]

With the 737 you can also adjust the passenger cabin lighting. I resets to the default settings for your phase of flight after a few minutes though as I've found.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Awesome, I had not seen that feature yet!

[@stevew8614]

In real world 737-200 normal cruise is 0.74-0.76M and 727s run at 0.78-0.80. Add 0.02 if you're in a rush and can pay for the extra gas.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for those technical details!

[@MrAlastairwylie]

I personally think the 737-200 wins hands down. Both are the best quality aircraft you can get. The lighting on the 727 really shines to because of the light bulbs they used (big and clunky) and the 3 variants is very very temping. But the fact there’s no cabin to greet you is what made me go with the 737-200. I also found that the 727 series auto pilot paled in comparison to the 737 which was a lot more straight forward since I am aware there is multiple autopilot brands for the 737. I like having a challenge when flying an aircraft so the 727 was really good in that perspective but Concorde came around which snatched more of the attention away or the felis TU-154B. I also had the problem of throttle blocks. I own a Saitek throttle that only has 3 variable inputs. And I couldn’t risk losing my speed brake axis to another engine which was needed for the 727. I think the 737 classic models or later are too easy for sim pilots who are relaxed with those aircraft and should fly the 737-200 instead to get a bigger challenge using RNAV or INS, TOD, correct rate of climb, watching fuel temps, the pressurisation gauges or the quite often engine stalls because the aircraft in some respects is underpowered or just because of the low power to weight ratio in my opinion when flying which is quite a handful already since I don’t like to use the laminar FMS which automates a lot of that. If you like to spend more money on hardware and like to just focus on flying rather than details then the 727 is for you. If you like to still have a challenge but more minor but focus on details and quality for what is worth your money. The 737 is for you The thing is. I’m not complaining at the great work FlyJSim, if FlyJSim added another variant or 2 for the 737-200 that would put it worth at least $80 in my opinion and really competing with more modern aircraft like the legendary Flight factor 767s, 757s or the ultimate A320. I had a couple of ideas for more variants of the 737 actually The father of 737s. The 100 variant The amazing logistically reliable 737-200 combi The much isolated community loved 737-200 cargo Or even a BBJ variant. Tell me what you think FBFT since I notice you respond to a lot of comments

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. Lots of great observations there. I think you and I feel about the same way about these planes. They really offer an experience quite different from the digital world of the 737NG series, or any of the Airbus family. It is more work, and more immersive and satisfying because of it. On a weird note, it also made FlyJSim's life easier. Custom FMCs are typically the #1 weakness and complaint on payware aircraft. By doing classic radio nav aircraft with a Laminar default for cheating, they have avoided that mess all together. I guess we will have to see how they do with their new Dash8-Q400, which they have shown will include their first custom FMC. Again, thanks for the great reply. Check out our podcast, I guarantee you will like it. -FlightBro Tim

[@MrAlastairwylie]

Flight Brothers FT you’ve got a point there. FMC can be really hard to code and even to just integrate it is a nightmare. I also saw the new upcoming Q400 which looks really good. But yeah zibo and the IXEG which are both study level quality are great but don’t really have that shine that the originals had. And in the video, the first for a cabin to have moveable blinds and overheads bins weren’t big to me but what really was nice is the fact everything can be done a lot more manually. You missed In the video the animated air-stairs that are incredibly smooth to watch. Another big thing for a cabin like that is the manual lighting you can control in the front and back and even the air stairs can be manually controlled without the GUI. That’s what makes the 737-200 stand out because it makes you feel more than a captain. In the 727 if you had smart co pilot then yes you would become a flight engineer if you so wish but the reality is the cabin in the 737 can make you feel like a flight attendant or even a passenger if you really stick your mind to imagination. Also sure, I’ll have a look at the podcasts that you are suggesting

[@PeterESSA]

Thanks for a great comparison! I have both airplanes and I agree with everything you said. For a long time I hesitated buying the 732 as I already had the 727, thinking they're too similar. But I was proven wrong, they are indeed very similar, but you can for sure feel and tell they're two different aircrafts. Right now the 732 is my favorite of these two.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

My story is about the same as yours. I picked up the 732 on sale after maybe a year with the 727. It was love at first flight. Plenty of great uses for both models though.

[@lyzammc8434]

Peter Korkala ffddrt

[@WilliamBugeater64Simpson]

Excellent video. Well done. I have the FJS 727 and really enjoy flying it in X-Plane 11. ✔👌 Waiting for the new Dash 8 Q400 eagerly. Love the Dash 8.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Agreed! Lee has the 'legacy' Dash 8 from FlyJSim and really likes it. We have high expectations for the new one.

[@PeterESSA]

@@FlightBrothersFT Ohhh, I'm very excited about the Q400! Really looking forward to it! But do you mean the Legacy is actually worth it? I don't have it as everyone tells me to wait for V2.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Peter Korkala if you want a Dash 8, it’s reasonably priced. It is an XP10 port over, so graphics quality is what you would expect for that generation. We have an early video on the channel, a little over a year ago on it....Porter Airlines. Take a look and see what you think. I have a feeling both of us will likely end up with Q400s in the hangar when it’s released.

[@PeterESSA]

@@FlightBrothersFT thank you, I'll have a look!

[@DoesltReaIIyMatter]

Hmm

[@slayerjohn447]

I didn't go too far into the depths of the comments, but the one thing that isn't stated here or on the store page for the 727 is what it used to navigate. Whether it was a CIVA/INS or VOR style navigation, or if they gave the default FMS as a toggle for the lazy pilots (JK).

[@FlightBrothersFT]

The VOR is available, the FMS can be a blank panel or is “toggle-able”. A CIVA can be purchased and added.

[@jaysmith4302]

Excellent video. One question. Can I set up a view out of a passenger window in the 727 even though it doesn't have the cabin modeled?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Negative. The fuselage is transparent from the inside unless modeled. It's like Wonder Woman's invisible plane back there.

[@lauris5356]

Nice video i will actualy wanna dc-10 or l-1011 because i really like them (sorry for my bad English)

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for commenting. I love the classics, and L1011 and DC10 would be great!

[@luciom767]

Excelent video from now and on I'll follow your Videos and Greetings from Tecate Mexico

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks a lot, and we are glad you enjoyed this video!

[@McDonnellDouglasMD--]

I hope flyjsim give us the 727-super27 with the upgrade JT8D-200 series engine

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Oh that would be very cool!

[@chris22capt]

They said they can't at this time since x-plane itself doesn't support two different type of engine in one aircraft...

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Must be how the software is written? Flight Factor has multiple engines on the 75/76.

[@chris22capt]

@@FlightBrothersFT I mean different engine on one cofig. The super 27 using -200 on the number 1 and 3 while the number 2 remain the same, the older one, not -200

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Roger that. Makes sense

[@herml39]

I just finished your clip on the LET410. Very good cockpit...couple of questions. 1) does it have the ground spoilers,? 2) How do I get to open doors...how to get interior pictures/camera?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the compliment. Negative on the ground spoilers (if I'm remembering correctly). Doors in XP usually open with SHIFT+F1 (or other F keys sequentially). From inside the camera moves using the arrows, mouse or top hat and the . key is forward and the , is backward.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Just reread your question. If you're asking about the LET, no ground spoilers. If you're asking about the FlyJSim birds, they have the correct spoilers the real Boeing does.

[@CameTo]

Good quality and content, well done and thank you, just what I needed

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Great feedback, thanks! Be sure to subscribe and check out the rest of the channel. Next video drops on Sunday, hit the bell for notification.

[@ruggerorandisi7785]

So there’s still no passenger cabin in 727? And you can’t even open passenger doors?

[@dragoclarke9497]

Just fly the cargo version 😊

[@Incognito-vc9wj]

Such an awesome comparison video. Thankyou for this

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Our pleasure, it was a joy to make. Both of those birds are incredibly fun and satisfying.

[@karstenmurphy3489]

@@FlightBrothersFT I loved the video. I love both but just want to buy 1 for now. Which one should i buy first? I am very experienced as well if that helps

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Tough call. I love them both. I think the average sim pilot would enjoy the 732 immediately, as it's operation is not so different from a Zibo mod. The experienced simmer, or classic airliner enthusiast, might enjoy the 722 more for it's 707 like cockpit. But either way, you will be a happy pilot. Both aircraft are amazing.

[@karstenmurphy3489]

@@FlightBrothersFT Thank you for the advice I'm buying the 737 200 right now! I made my mind up. Thank you

[@joakangel1735]

Friend, good afternoon! could you explain to me why the HSI is in Vorloc mode and the radials do not appear ?? this happened to me and i don't know how to solve

[@FlightBrothersFT]

It all depends on how you have them set up. I (Lee) just completed a 727-100 flight. You have to make sure your frequency is correct (for VOR or LOC depending on what you’re using) and that your radial is also correct for the direction you want to navigate to/from. If this isn’t helpful, please elaborate and we will do our best.

[@joakangel1735]

@@FlightBrothersFT I have entered the VOR frequency of the chart, I have tested several different radials and I still can't. I only get it when I start it up.

[@joakangel1735]

@@FlightBrothersFT I turned on external power, turned on the battery and went straight to set the airfield frequency

[@joakangel1735]

@@FlightBrothersFT It was like that in your video too, showing this "vor loc" next to the hsi

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Did you take off and see if it locked on? I’ve noticed that if it’s tuned it will see VOR/LOC but won’t lock on until you have “line of sight”.

[@YRP_free]

732 is more compact for me

[@animestalin9677]

There is a cabin mod for the 727 so yeah. Just saying. forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/68435-fjs-boeing-b727-200-classic-cabin-modification-for-x-plane-11-v100/

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks. I will definitely check that out!

[@damionmorrison8479]

Can you please do something with installation on A380 setup 🙏 xplane

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Unfortunately, the A380 is not currently in our fleet. If we do acquire it, there will surely be some type of video!

[@nukenabber7228]

Thx 4 this video-link.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

You're welcome. Let us know what you think of the video.

[@harrybosch4595]

Why not both? They are worth it. And don’t forget to get that CIVA add on.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Oh yes, the CIVA! You know I have had that add-on for months, but have yet to give it a try. Definitely going to be worth making a video when I get around to it.

[@damionmorrison8479]

How does Civa work with xplane 11

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Could you clarify? It does work if you purchase the available one, or the aircraft itself has the system modeled. Functionally, it’s an old GPS with more button presses to load less information....sort of.

[@AyushTH]

Boeing 727 >>>>

[@Trenguy170]

707 727 737 The same nose?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Yes. The 707, 727, 737 all have the same nose. 707, 727, 737, and 757 have the same fuselage cross section.

[@SimulationGP]

Bonjour, avez vous travailler pour résoudre votre consommation important de fps ? Cordialement merci.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Hello, I put your question through Google translate, and it came out as: 'Hello, did you work to resolve your significant consumption of fps? Cordially thank you.' I have not had any FPS issues with either FlyJSim product.

[@SimulationGP]

@@FlightBrothersFT Hello, exactly, because it is a big consumer of fps. Cordially. Thank you.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Okay, I understand. Neither myself or the other FlightBro has any FPS issues with it. We have not had to change anything to maintain decent FPS.

[@Trenguy170]

737-200?

[@thekungfuguy4678]

Is CIVA really in real 737-200?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

I have seen the CIVA on some B732 panels, but not many. You can find some in a quick Google image search. Since the 732 is a short haul aircraft, the need for it on continental flights within the United States would seem to me to be limited. A long haul aircraft doing transatlantic or transpacific would have far greater need for precision the CIVA would give. Obviously the arrival of GPS and FMCs would also limit the use of CIVA on later models that would have been upgraded.

[@thekungfuguy4678]

@@FlightBrothersFT interesting info, because i never see 737-200 video using CIVA but maybe because of that limitation use. I got the info that in here Indonesian Air Force 737-200 use LTN-72R (INS) and search it on google, it works like CIVA right?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@thekungfuguy4678 in some respects the CIVA is an INS. Once the plane knows where it is, then it can measure, through lat/longs, gyros, or more recently laser accelerometers where it is and where it needs to be. The solid state laser “gyros” are more accurate and reliable. This is also how ballistic missiles navigate. Now of course we also have a GPS satellite constellation as well. LORAN was also a method of LOng RAnge Navigation used by ships and later aircraft early on.

[@thekungfuguy4678]

@@FlightBrothersFT so it is like CIVA is one of INS instrument? i can't believe i got much information here. Thanks for explain it to me. it is interesting there are many type of navigation on plane. I will search it deeply on google :D

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@thekungfuguy4678 awesome and glad we could help. If you find any other cool info, and you don’t mind sharing, drop back by! We love learning new things about aviation.

[@Trenguy170]

The 737-200

[@Trenguy170]

Boeing

[@Trenguy170]

727-100...... American Airlines

[@cdllc1956]

I want a 707 😭😭😭

[@FlightBrothersFT]

We definitely feel your pain. We take every opportunity to remind the FlyJSim team that we want them to make one. Check out our content on the (now unavailable) Michael Wilson 707.

[@cdllc1956]

@@FlightBrothersFT Can you give me the 707 I want it so bad

[@FlightBrothersFT]

No, we cannot. The product would need to be released as freeware for that to be allowed, and Mr. Wilson has unfortunately disappeared from the sim community so that is unlikely to happen. Also, the Wilson 707 is no longer flyable since he did not update the product. Xplane now crashes to desktop when I attempt to load the aircraft.

[@cdllc1956]

@@FlightBrothersFT Oh sad to hear that it's not flyable! But thabks anyway! Hopefully there will be a 707 coming for fs2020