Which is better, Poly File or Mono Stereo File? (Zoom F6 Part 17)

[@hertsa1438]

Exactly what I was looking for info on. Thanks

[@RebelTech1990]

You’re welcome! It’s much simpler than it’s made out to be. I was confused when I started using Poly, but it eventually became easier. It was tough because I didn’t see many videos on it and I figured I would just throw in my take on it. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@societyofanaesthesiaradiol8616]

Thank you. I didn't really appreciate the difference between Poly and Mono/stereo until I watched this video. Keep up the good work!

[@RebelTech1990]

I’m happy to help. This was a topic that I didn’t see many videos on. I saw Curtis Judd’s videos on it but he didn’t really explain it in a simple way. That’s what I hope to teach in this video. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@ViciousXUSMC]

I think you sort of have to use Poly to record internally to the Ambisonic B formats? I hope that I can record a poly file for the 4 channel Ambisonic (A Format) and a separate track for a LAV all at the same time.

[@RebelTech1990]

Poly really just keeps things organized. For ambisonic recordings it would make a lot of sense because they are being used for the same thing. Rather than choosing which source to use. I really only use poly with 3 or more tracks. Mostly because it's easier for me.

[@CandiceTang]

Nice video. Thanks a lot! Planning to record a 4-people scene for weeks for a reality show, I think that poly would work better for me, as long as I have to mark clearly which talent is using which track. That would be better for me to edit in post.

[@RebelTech1990]

It's definitely made for people using a lot of tracks and a ton of takes. It makes the workflow so much faster. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@ChrisSpiegl]

Great video to cover this. For me, I never use the Poly system as it’s just super confusing to not have those individual files. I don’t see any benefit in getting it all of them in one file. 😎

[@RebelTech1990]

I totally see the appeal for it, but there are little things that turn me off by it. I gotta admit, if the tracks were labeled, I would change right away. Maybe there is a way to do it but I haven't figured it out yet. Thanks for checking out the video Chris! Oh did you see the other video I put out today? The Zoom F6 went up in price. Just wanted to get your take on it.

[@ZimCrusher]

The poly system makes it easier to keep all your files clean. You don't need a folder for each recording. So if you record 8 times, you have 8 files. With the Stereo setting, you get 16+ files, and have to keep them in multiple folders. So, instead of 'interview 1' folder with 8 files (multi), you have 'interview 1' folder with 8 folders, each containing multiple tracks.

[@kurokid2441]

This what I need. I feel struggled since the first time I got my F6. I'm now using Poly only for one-man talking. If I've got 2 or more roles talking, I tend to use mono/stereo file format in order to take an easy way to post product my work.

[@RebelTech1990]

It really comes down to how you’re workflow is. Everyone is different and one of these may fit you and someone else might think differently. There is no wrong answer, just what works for the individual. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@bengordon9589]

Thank you, very useful!

[@RebelTech1990]

You're welcome! I'm glad it helped. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@andersonhughsproductions6689]

We just purchased the Zoom F6 and like it very much and are finding your videos very helpful. One question. On our F6 it limits the length or size of the files and breaks them up. For example if we do an hour long interview it breaks it into two or three files. Is there a way to increase the size or length of the files so that we do not have to deal with multiple files for each interview.

[@RebelTech1990]

Unfortunately there is a 2gb limit to each take. So the only way to increase the record time is to reduce the data that you are recording. Either through decreasing the Bit depth or the sample rate. The good thing is it does start automatically rather than stopping and not telling you. Here is a video I covered some of these settings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYG1eZ2uqNyAp5I Hope this helps and let me know if you have any more questions or suggestions for videos!

[@12nash64]

@@RebelTech1990 Thanks for the info

[@FAMEAcademyNY]

Maaan thanks. I was thoroughly confused.

[@RebelTech1990]

I'm glad this helped! Thanks for checking out the video!

[@SustainableGal]

Omg thank you so much ! I'm converted to Mono/Stereo 100%

[@RebelTech1990]

You are very welcome! I'm glad this helped. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@ngocehgayabebas2118]

Do you eq your audio in post bro?

[@RebelTech1990]

Not usually, I sometimes throw a little eq on but usually I like the sound of the mic naturally.

[@ngocehgayabebas2118]

@@RebelTech1990 here I give you link for the sample. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g165gXSOba1sppo

[@modocine7450]

Hi, I use Mono/Stereo with LR Track set to Off (so I don't have to delete the stereo mix track). Later I sync everything in Davinci easily. I used to use Poly but I haven't found a way to not include the LR Track (when LR Track is set to Off there is only one stereo track at the end) so with this option I have to delete the stereo mix in every clip. Thanks for the channel, I have learned a lot with it!!!

[@RebelTech1990]

I think the LR tracks are on every take in poly. I haven’t tested it to see if there’s a way to not have them. I’ll be back home on Monday and I’ll see if I can find out more. Thanks for checking out the videos!

[@ericbelluche9503]

This was helpful... thank you. What kind of boom extension are you using for your mic?

[@RebelTech1990]

The real question what boom extension don’t I use lol. I have so many ways of setting up mics that I just choose the one fitting for the scene. Here’s a little cheat sheet I have in my head. 1) Close to desk: PSA-1 or Blue Compass 2) Further back in the room: traditional mic stand with a boom arm extension 3) On the move: when I am holding it I use a Neewer Boom pole Now these apply to stuff outside of my videos. I use 2 and 3 while I work as well. This actually sparked an idea for a video. I think I’ll do one on “which mic stand/boom arm do you need”. I feel that would be very helpful to anyone starting out or figuring out the best set up for their situation. Thanks for checking out the video and the video idea!

[@jamieandrei]

Lols.. just watching this now after having a heart attack looking for mising files, thinking they were all mixed down into one mixed track.. great to see it all unpack in Premiere Pro once I dragged it into the timeline.. 😆

[@DaftRebel]

if you have more than 5 people talking poly is the way to go! I've edited with both formats, and the Poly is the most easy to use. And som "hidden advange" is that you can keep track of all the audio files more easily...

[@RebelTech1990]

That's exactly what it's made for. Also if you work on films, that helps with file organization. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@microdoulo2250]

do you video how u setup shure SAM U USE?

[@A10Jedi]

If my wireless system has two transmitters and one receiver pack, will this record in dual mono or stereo with separated tracks?

[@RebelTech1990]

What kind of output does the receiver have?

[@A10Jedi]

@@RebelTech1990 Comica CVM-WM100 PLUS Has a 1/8 to xlr and says it can split the channels (separate lavs) with this cable. It’s nothing fancy for now.

[@Minus20Design]

Thanks for posting this video. Very helpful. Do you happen to know if you can split poly wav files in Logic Pro X or Final Cut Pro?

[@RebelTech1990]

My experience with this is in Adobe Premiere and Studio One(An Audio DAW by Presonus). I don't have any experience in Logic or Final Cut. I also couldn't find any info on them. From what I have done in Studio one, only audio, I found out that you need to find a way to "Split to Mono Files". Do this to your Poly file and it will split up the different files as it said. I'm sure there is a way to do this in Logic. With Adobe, I just had to drag and drop and the files are already split. Much easier than Studio One. With Final Cut I can only assume that it is the same. I hope this helps you, I'm sorry I don't have any examples with your programs but I feel that most programs have the same functions just different ways of getting to them. Thank you for checking out the video! Let me know how it goes with the poly files, I'd love to know for future reference.

[@TheCharnstar]

Oh, the metadata is 100% for each track in a polywav, and it always travels through your AAF or OMF for Pro-tools or Audition. It's what everyone uses in the film industry. I'm at the point where if anyone gives me a mono files, it adds so much longer on my workflow.

[@TheCharnstar]

Also, why are you deleting your left and right mix? If you have a good recordist and a good recorder, I would rather use that left and right. Your left should be your post-mix boom, and your right is your post-mix lavs. If you have the Mix-Pre or any higher end Sound Devices recorder, your post-mix is so much cleaner. Granted, you keep your individual tracks in case you need to tidy something up manually. If it's a Zoom, I usually just use the raw tracks because it's post-mix is nothing. But if that's the case, you can just record without the post-mix real easy. Also also, why unlink that polywav? You're not gonna lose track of which track they are because they are linked together IN THAT ORDER.

[@RebelTech1990]

To be honest I wanted to keep it simple. Just to get the point across of what they are rather than going into film production workflow. I did this like I would do a mic comparison. I unlinked them to adjust levels individually. Granted I’m still learning as an editor. I’m usually just handing off my recordings and then It’s out of my hands.

[@conan2566]

Just wondering if poly files can be opened by DAW/? Im using Presonus and it doesnt seem to recognize the nature of the file and instead just gives me one track to work with.

[@DaftRebel]

Now, how do you setup the Zoom H6 to poly?

[@RebelTech1990]

I don't have the H6, but I looked up the manual and it doesn't seem to have poly recording.

[@DaftRebel]

@@RebelTech1990 Thanks! I've been all morning searching for that feature but it seems its only available on higher end devices.

[@RebelTech1990]

Unfortunately certain things don’t get added on to cheaper devices. Which is sad because it’s a great selling point for them.

[@DaftRebel]

@@RebelTech1990 just a simple firmware update separates me of a better workflow u.u

[@positiveovernegative9129]

Greetings, can you tell me why my F6 is separating my recordings into 2gig files? I recorded for 3 hours straight and it split the recordings. Is that a setting or max file thing? Also how should I combine them for editing or syncing?

[@RebelTech1990]

Have you updated to firmware 1.9?

[@QLFProductions]

@@RebelTech1990 I bought my F6 2 months ago show it should be up to date but I will verify.