Which is the Better Rolex GMT 16700, Other Options, and Will the Preceramic Market Fall More?

[@BAF605]

I always learn from Austin, and the fact he is a collector not a grey dealer apologist means he's on our side.

[@cyan0xide]

He probably knows more about Rolex than anyone not currently employed by Rolex. Austin is the best.

[@ALLinHerMovements]

The ultimate Rolex expert and Rain Man is back! Glad the video requests can pull you out of the watch sabbatical. I will try one also. 😊

[@nonrevguy]

Austin, this was an incredible second video for Harshad! I also love the new microphone -- you sound great. Thank you for always sharing your most helpful learnings with us.

[@stevenwebb9861]

Another great video, I wish I lived next door to you Austin, I would build a great vintage Rolex collection but I am frightened! I do have one 2006 Daytona but it has 8 stickers so the purchase was easy. Thanks for your time.

[@kiwimark3875]

Great to have you back Austin. I'm heading to Japan in a few months, would selfishly love some of your old school price and stock videos in Tokyo :)

[@michaelrimmer338]

Same, they’re very entertaining.

[@bernardmauge8613]

I learned alot thank you. Hope the price will fall some more.. This is exactly the watch i want. 16700 with original non ceramic bezel.

[@robertschmidt9584]

I’ve bought from these guys. Good operation for neo-vintage pieces like the 16700. However, make sure you get what is advertised and also make sure you get a ALL links for the bracelet, as they charge you extra for links. Good luck out there!

[@andreasd6857]

Nice video format, i really like those in depht analysis of the details of a watch, learned a lot thank you Austin

[@aajustjay]

Great video, Austin. I would plan a trip to Japan and go watch shopping there. Probably buy 2 pieces...and hire Austin to accompany me shopping.

[@modernworldiscrap]

You are the only one who talks about the 16700 on the net, cool it's my favorite gmt.

[@colinallan1962]

I bought one of these because I like the size and weight but above all it has a sapphire crystal rather than acrylic which for a vintage watch makes it much more wearable.

[@jonselzer6553]

Agreed can always wait for a better one never be in a rush. Austin always knows what he's talking about Greetings from Thailand

[@jockdodson9093]

So glad seeing you back!

[@qchang09]

I purchased a 16700 A-serial Swiss only from Collectors a few years back (and not the one featured in this video!) I sold it last year when prices were still pretty high for good condition, unpolished pieces with full sets. Agree with Austin, I think prices are lower than usual and will continue that way for awhile. While Swiss only dials are indeed collectible, the 16700s do not have the independent moving hour local hand and hollow end links, so I would be looking for a 16710 with the independent local hour hand and solid end links. Just a few details to keep in mind if you intend to wear these pieces regularly.

[@watchsymposium]

I tend to like the 16710 because you can get the Coke insert, and (as you mentioned) that extra functionality. There is something cool about the old-school 16700, though. And the 16700 is about half a millimeter thinner.

[@inplurals]

Last year (2022) I got links for my 114270 from my local AD. $52 each, had them in less than a week. The links shouldn’t be an issue imho

[@PaulG-s9i]

I really enjoy viewing your Rolex watch shopping videos. And these custom videos; so much information about the little differences of a Rolex. I learn so much from them. Too bad you retired from making youtube videos; what a loss of knowledge to us mere mortals.

[@DEFENDER-lx2hs]

Personaly if i was Harshad i would use the 10% off in Japan, use that to go to Japan meet Austin and spend a day with him and buy his watch in Japan?

[@truxton1000]

These older models never really increased that much and will not fall that much either as they stopped making them a long time ago and there will be more and more collectors fighting over them.

[@Andrew-nn4ml]

Adding a comment as I always enjoy your videos.

[@fragge2926]

Please explain why the "swiss only" dial are more collectible than the "swiss made" dial. The "swiss made" dial only existed the very last year on the GMT-Master and are far more rare than the "swiss only" dial.

[@watchsymposium]

Great point! I'm not sure, long term, which of those (Swiss or Swiss Made) is going to be more collectable in the future. But they both have great potential. Especially compared to the tritium 16700s.

[@structurescience]

Excellent!!

[@YUNQ04]

Hey Austin, I appreciate your channel it’s educated me more than any other source online for preceramic Rolex. I’m currently vacationing in Osaka any areas other than Shinsaibashi you would recommend? Trying to find a zenith Daytona.

[@watchsymposium]

Thank you! Nakano Broadway is a must visit collection of shops.

[@YUNQ04]

@@watchsymposium thank you for the reply! I was just there this weekend! Found a zenith Daytona at jackroad for around 20k but am still shopping around. Is there an app you use other than Chrono24 or Rakuten? I find that the stores don’t post all of there listing on these sites.

[@TheRonyZ]

You have a wonderful channel!

[@watchsymposium]

Thank you so much!

[@RabbitWatchShop]

Until the mullet and cop stash returns, I’m not watching another video.

[@Alejandro.T-k3c]

Hey Austin! I’m planning a trip to Tokyo and would love to buy a vintage Pepsi like this one! Which store/areas would you recommend to go?

[@watchsymposium]

I don't recommend any one place. It's all about the piece, not the place.

[@zeldatokyotower]

Hi Austin! As a 16700 owner in Japan, I really enjoyed your video and it made me like my watch even more. By the way RCS offers Jubilee bracelets for about 155k yen. Do you have a plan to change in the future?

[@watchsymposium]

Thank you! Yes, I added a Jubilee from RSC a couple of years ago.

[@zeldatokyotower]

⁠@@watchsymposiumthanks for the reply! Maybe I shoud do it too! I admire your knowledge and the way you share it with us!

[@thorstenmichl6983]

I think it's good advise to move away from both pieces. Remark to the 'Swiss Made' option: pretty sure there was no factory released 16700 with Swiss Made dials (the last pieces had Swiss only) which would mean it's a service dial.

[@watchsymposium]

I used to think the Swiss only dials where on very the last of the 16700s, like you mentioned. But I've since seen a couple Swiss Made 16700's that were A serials. I know that it was during the A serials that the 16710 went from Swiss to Swiss Made, so I suspect some Swiss Made dials made it onto some 16700s. But you might be right!

[@jmbaug1229]

Are you going to Watches and Wonders 2023 Geneva?

[@watchsymposium]

2024? But no, I'm not going.

[@RAJohnson713]

I think skip both of those and find another...

[@Vic-sj2ws]

Harshad wants to wear the box and papers, is what it seems like. Pull the trigger on a naked one Harshad and regret not getting the box and papers later.

[@omar10213245]

If he's buying from Collectors, he wont be getting all the links for the bracelet. They're one of the many scheisty dealers that pocket links and if you buy a watch from them, and the bracelet is too small, then they charge you for the extra links. Yeah, they're real pieces of shit

[@watchsymposium]

You're the second viewer to call into question this retailer poaching links. Sounds like one worth avoiding.

[@ragetobe]

I have a love hate relationship with the 16700 and the 1675, the build quality is pretty awful, the new Sub 41mm is so well made and feels great that my 1675 just doesn’t get wrist time. If they ever updated a bracelet for it I would buy one because it feels so cheap.

[@gbvoul]

Austin why do you prefer all transitional models, over the quintessential versions of each model? ridiculous

[@watchsymposium]

The relative rarity has more potential in terms of collectability than a more widely produced standard model.

[@gbvoul]

@@watchsymposium sure, but you're paying that premium when you buy those transitional pieces to begin with.

[@watchsymposium]

Some sellers tack on a premium for those little things, but many (most, in my experience) don't. I don't think I'd pay a premium for a transition piece, but all else being equal (including price), the potential collectability would swing me in that direction.