Which is the Bigger Sport - Rugby Union or League?

Which is the bigger sport, rugby union or rugby league? NRL or Super Rugby? What about the Top 14 or URC?
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[@brianharvey9765]

Rugby League is more concentrated which can boost the numbers. Rugby Union support is much more spread out amongst many local and international teams. It’s gotta be Rugby Union.

[@Zomo1553]

Was looking for this comment. Where they play league it's massive but the fact hardly anyone plays it has to say it all. I'm scottish and I've never met a scottish league fan

[@Quilty2]

Irish guy in Oz here. Agree with this comment. NRL is Australia's flagship rugby comp. But it's Australia only. NZ & North of England play league, but there's no comparison to Union globally.

[@gavinringland1362]

Western Australia. NEW. TIMES of. NRL

[@luqmaanabrahams1971]

In South Africa we dont even know what League is

[@davidmclean-on4dj]

In Scotland, I know we have a national rl team. I'm not sure if there are any clubs here.

[@usarugbyleagueunionfan]

South Africa is the best at Rugby. No doubt. They play a style which is polar opposite of what Rugby League is. The Saffas props are the best in the world. They can slowly grind you to pieces with 5 minutes left in the game. They’ll try to get a penalty off the scrum for Pollard to seal the deal. They pride themselves on their scrum. And rightfully so. The first half of the Rugby World Cup bored me to death. The 2nd half was phenomenal. There are people in places like Wigan and St. Helens, UK who would think the same about Union. There are way more laws or chances for the whistle to blow in the 15 man code. I just hope they can figure out a way to limit the scrums. Too many and it slows down the game for me. MLR has it where after the 2nd reset scrum the team can do a quick tap which I think is genius.

[@alanfox691]

​@davidmclean-on4dj Yes, there are, but only amateur it's the same with American football , Baseball & Aussie rules there are teams but they tend to be nomadic from season to season I have looked in to them all in the past. I am Scottish myself I follow Glasgow Warriors & Scotland myself. I watch The N.R.L. they have an absolutely fantastic streaming service N.R.L Watch it's very much value for money Melbourne Storm are my team of choice.

[@jnic2165]

Didnt tney make league illagal in SA ? Similar to what happened in France.

[@thewielloyd988]

@@davidmclean-on4djpretty sure the Scottish national RL team is mostly made up of NRL or lower tier players (NSW Cup etc) that have Scottish heritage. That’s how most of the teams in the Rugby League World Cup seem to be formed.

[@muskerrytram6453]

League = NASCAR, Union = F1.

[@alanfox691]

NASCAR & F1 hare both Snoz marathons, if you sleeped through both now a day's, you would miss absolutely nothing. I tried to get back in to F1 & when Red Bull are winning every single race, buying a country mile it starts to get a bit pointless watching it a bit like Super Rugby when it comes to Crusaders costing it most seasons. And in terms of N.R.L. apparently, you did not watch the Storm V Broncos game today it had more twists & and turns than any F1 yrack will never have.

[@Primal-Weed]

League = Checkers Rugby = Chess

[@alanfox691]

😅​@@Primal-Weed

[@muskerrytram6453]

@@alanfox691Not knocking league. It's a pity the game is split. The Aussies bring so much to their sport. Growing up in Ireland had no exposure to league but believe me I've tried to watch it. Lived in Brisbane in mid 90s when Broncos were kings. Just couldn't hold my attention. Fell in love with test cricket though. Actually there's another analogy. Union = Test Cricket, League = T20

[@Stephen-jx1hz]

@@Primal-WeedLeague = Checkers = Baseball Rugby = Chess= test cricket

[@usarugbyleagueunionfan]

I love both codes. Hence my name. I have a season seat for Rugby Football Club Los Angeles in MLR. I also do commentary for Rugby League here. It’s called Pacific Coast Rugby League. I watch both codes religiously. I have friends on both sides of the aisle who hate each other’s games. Fair enough. I want to watch a game with constant action. You can love both.

[@footyfin]

I agree - you can love both ... From an Aussie 👌

[@Samizouza]

As do I on both codes

[@gavinringland1362]

WA. NRL

[@scrivenroan]

I've never even heard anyone in South Africa talk about Rugby League. Our school boy rugby is massive and sevens are pretty popular as well, I've even seen 10 v 10s and 1 v 1s popping up in a few places. I think the comparisons and wanting Union to be more like League are silly. Kinda defeats the purpose of having two variations of the sport if people want them to be so similar. You can easily just watch both or only watch the one you enjoy and forget the other one even exist like saffas have done their whole life lol.

[@thewielloyd988]

Yeah whilst I agree that something should be done to cut down on the dead time between set piece in Union, World Rugby would be stupid to change too much. In Australia and New Zealand, where the threat of League is a commercial risk, the local unions should be elevating a local, professional Sevens comp to give a wider audience the quick, running rugby they supposedly crave.

[@SplatWun]

​​​@@thewielloyd988It isn't the desire for "running rugby" that is the issue - it's the actual policing/officiating of Union itself, as well as the amount of stoppage time involved. The time it takes to get a decision when TMO's intervene can kill all momentum for everyone involved, fans included. The speed of decision making & the simplicity of understanding referee calls are what the fans in Australia & NZ desire. They already get running rugby, that's as normal to them as breathing is.. a rule in rugby can get refereed one way this week, and then refereed entirely differently another week.. ask one scrum question, and you get 10 different views. Ask the same question in League, and there is only 1 view.. the lack of cohesive consistency is what is missing. We can see what the NRL is getting on that front, and Union isn't there yet.. that's the 'spectacle' you want to be referring to.

[@thewielloyd988]

@@SplatWun the TMO has been a problem in 6 Nations lately but it honestly has hardly been mentioned as an issue this Super Rugby season. I can’t think of any really controversial calls that there’s been much discussion over here. The bunker in the NRL is far from perfect. Every week there’s bloviated League journos whinging about it. League definitely has more straightforward rules and therefore the interpretations are more black and white. Rugby should definitely seek to streamline the laws, that I can agree on.

[@SplatWun]

@@thewielloyd988 The TMO has intentionally been looked at in Super Rugby, specifically as a consequence to other competitions around the world having issues with it over the last few seasons, RWC included. Administration said so themselves. They've taken on board learnings from everywhere they can. I never stated the NRL bunker system was perfect, but the fact that it streamlines the viewing experience for audiences in real time is what makes it valuable. It does not hold the game up, that is all I'm saying.

[@benjicool2808]

okay so France has 3 division of fully professional rugby union (that's 42 clubs)

[@iamnutty8471]

and 1 pro league team (post ww2 capturing of league assets)

[@TOTN17]

@@iamnutty8471 2 actually, Catalans in Super League and Toulouse in the RFL Championship

[@dfaulkner1985]

League is like watching Groundhog Day. Same thing over and over. Run into contact and repeat. There’s no variety and doesn’t require the multiple skills or player types like Union. It’s like comparing pitch and putt to golf

[@geoffhogan4831]

Union is better, but then you get the Matte Williams of the world trying to get the rules of Union changed to look like league....

[@PaulHolder]

This is a fair point but watching scrums collapse over and over and mauls or pick and go's grind their way joylessly to the line or another penalty is like Groundhog Day too.

[@ChrisBrown-or8ky]

I watch NRL, SR, URC, Top14, super league, and Gallagher prem, but no longer follow each comp intricately. I look up the games that interest me and watch those. Eg, in the last week I've watched 2 urc, 1 gp, 2 nrl, 2 SR, and 3 top 14 matches (yes i need a life, but i don't watch much else). I don't really give a care about competitions until the finals. Until then, I'm just picking matches to entertain. There'll always be space for NRL as it's entertaining. I can't say the same for super rugby because atm, there's only one or two quality games a weekend if we're lucky

[@fasterout777]

So lets add some balanced and salient facts for the non-league subscribers. 1. There are 17 NRL franchise clubs INCLUDING the New Zealand Warriors (so not really JUST Australia) 2. Each NRL club has 30 first grade contracted players (thats 510 players) 3. 54% of all contracted players are of Polynesian/ Maori decent 4. Each franchise exists in a salary cap of approx $11 million per annum for all 30 contracted players 5. Minimum salary for contracted players is $200,000 6. Players also earn additional income through third-party and sponsorships which increase earning substantially 7. Each franchise also operates a "pathway" of development with teams in lower age brackets in 3 additional grades all feeding into the NRL side. 8. The NRL also funds a professional NRLW competition for females which has just announced 2 additional teams. 9. The NSWRL, QRL and ARL operate the "provicial" and international fixtures and selected players earn significant additional representative income. 10. NZRL also have a domestic 8 team competition and England plays the Superleague with teams mostly from the North of England but also one from France. 11. The NRL earns over $20 million per round in gaming commissions. 12. The NRL season is a 24 round regualr season with an additional 4 weeks post seaon finals Why explain this, well as a fan of both codes its importants to clearly identify that the NRL is actually really a regional sport in Australi, NZ and the South Pacific with the NRL likely to announce a second franchise in NZ very soon which will pave the way for more rugby union talent to transition to league simply because of money. Union will always be the internal game and RWC will always dominate every 4 years but league in this REGION simply dominates and iwith the NRL seriously evaluating the acquisition of the English Superleague along with a significant investment in North American promotion diverging futures of these two codes couldn't be more stark.

[@zworm2]

Irish Hurling! Now you're talking. Great fan base. 20 over cricket. Now that's fun to watch. I'm with Gazza. Both different but becoming less so. Both great to watch. Probably will meld one day.

[@jasonwall5012]

1:52 well in the URC there must be some games at 5000 to 7000. Because Leinsters games are always over 10.000 even in the pissing rain.

[@TheDonCursino]

To me, rugby league's flagship product is basically the NRL. And yes, I also think there is no union club's championship that can match it economically as a product. But union end (and historic) product is International rugby and it's of an all another scale.

[@iamnutty8471]

leauge is small scale budgets compared to French union! currency conversions included

[@justinnell1957]

What I don’t understand is why so many people are trying to turn Union into league - Union is far more popular and gets a much bigger viewers ship yet certain pundits and administrators think Union needs to be like league. If you want to speed up the game get rid of TMO and put power back into hands of ref and linesman

[@SplatWun]

Your last sentence regarding TMO's is the entire existence of the argument to begin with... that has always been the premise - rules, rule officiating, and the dead time between live ball. Those are all Union specific issues that can't be unseen once you compare it side by side to League, which many fans in Australasia end up doing, seeing as many of the games are played in similar timeframes. How the narrative gets lost in translation so often, is confusing for me.

[@joeschannel246]

The fact that the Warriors sold out Fmg stadium within days yet they had to give tickets away for the kiwis game a few months later in the same stadium speaks volumes to the difference between the domestic game and international game.

[@PaulHolder]

The NRL has to be the most entertaining and impressive domestic league in the world in my opinion. Super League also deserves a lot of credit for how steady and reliable it has been. Most of the sides have been playing each other for well over 100 years. Bradford Bulls went bust about 20 years ago but while there are only 10 teams in the English Premiership and none in a position to be promoted, Super League has 11 English sides with promotion still in place (for now at least). If I were a superstar Rugby player with the ability to write my own ticket and play wherever I wanted, I'd want to be playing in the NRL with a shortened season to play in the Six Nations and Union World Cup.

[@gavinringland1362]

Comes. BARKS. IN. THE. New. NRL

[@archvermin]

I feel like the oddball here, but rugby sevens is my second favourite code after union

[@darrenbyrne5465]

Did you have a look at the growth in attendances. My understanding is that the NRL is a much older competition and any of the rugby union comps bar international matches. Also, look at the Champions cup over 16000 average atendance last year. Its been growing at about 2000 a year since crowds were allowed back post covid.

[@colmgeiran3476]

Great presentation. Thanks again. Rugby League is non-existent in Rep of Ireland.

[@arties.s.1026]

Very good video. It would be also interesting to know the Betfred Super League numbers

[@AllInTheGame01]

Can ppl pls speculate on what Rugby Union would be like today both domestically & globally in terms of attendance, revenues/resources, stature/popularity, skill level & any other factors you can think of if it had never split into the 2 codes way back then?! Also, how does the European Champions Cup fka Heineken Cup compare to the NRL?

[@superbowljoel01]

For one, the wallabies would be much stronger.

[@handsolo1209]

You can also speculate on if League wasn't banned by the Vichy government in France during WW2, when it was by far bigger than Union, what effect would that have had on Union?

[@AllInTheGame01]

@@handsolo1209 But you wouldn't have your scenario if the split never happened in the first place :)

[@alanfox691]

The Top 14 is the Rugby Union Turnement that is closest to The N.R.L. In terms of Champions Cup French clubs dont tend to take it seriously until it gets to the knockout rounds they priorities The Top 14 always.

[@jakeclough8090]

@@alanfox691took it pretty serious this year mate

[@finlayD853]

Although only 2m people watched the WC final highlights. 94 million people watched it live

[@jaycordner3890]

Add up all the followers of all the big unions and nrl and union will outstrip in numbers. Far far more union franchises than the few in Aus and Nz

[@dantewalters5209]

Union by far.

[@Dinkybear622]

I thought URC had better attendance. That number may be low because of small club stadiums in Wales, Ireland and Scotland. I'm seeing attendance of 20k + this season at the higher capacity stadiums.

[@tappie34]

I'm a Saffa and love rugby union, have watched almost every Bok game they have played in South Africa in the last three years, as well as the quarters to the final in the world cup. I live in Bloem so watch a couple of Cheetahs games a year, but they are not in the URC so there aren't that many games to watch. I barely knew what league was 2 years ago, and don't really care about it beyond the impact it currently has on union which I feel is quite shit. Nz and Aus people in union are pushing union to be "faster" because they think that is why league is more popular in those regions. I think if this is just left unchecked it will probably be the death of rugby union as the scrums, line-outs and kicking is depowered and eventually made obselete, the game won't be for all shapes and sizes anymore, this will reduce space and missmatches which in turn will make it necesarry to reduce the number of players on the field. I think they should have a law freeze in union for at least three years, except for real safety issues, and get a proper gauge of where the game is heading. Unless you follow it avidly the rules change too much to know whats going and that deters new fans.

[@SplatWun]

The speed of the game when we talk about League, is about the speed of officiating decisions, as well as the minimization of dead time between sets. The speed of the game you are referring to, while partially true, from a League perspective, is more focused on keeping the officiating as simple as possible, which in turn will inevitably speed the general game up as a consequence. You don't need to hold a game up for ransom, watching 20 replays of an incident like what used to be accustomed to in Union. League has the bunker, a concept Union has only just started to implement. There are other ways in which the game is faster paced too. What the NRL realized in the modern era, is that they're in the entertainment business, not the sport business. Watch and observe their moves over the last two decades, and you will see they have taken many clear notes from the NFL & NBA in particular, especially as it pertains to fan engagement & off-field presence. They have the official NRL fantasy league. They also have a retirement ceremony for players during Grand Final day. They have an MVP race that everyone can see week-to-week, culminating in a huge TV audience watching for the results live on air during Grand Final week. In fact, they make every effort possible to make Grand Final week as grandiose as can be. Finally, they have huge KZbin viewership numbers that normally dwarf many Union games. While many may, and will say, all that stuff is nonsense, the end product still equates to more money, and more loyalty from their fan base for said side shows. They look to cater to any potential fan need as possible.. that is why League is big in Australasia. It's not because the sport is "faster..." They have learnt how to monetize everything they can.

[@ChrisBrown-or8ky]

I just want to clarify many kiwis thoughts, as they're often misrepresented. I and many ppl I know want rugby union to be as fast as it was. That is, get rid of the stoppages and time management that have been introduced to the game in the last 15 years. Fwiw, most kiwi rugby players actually love scrums, mauls, forward grunt play. I was a prop, my brother was a prop. Our dad was a hooker. We just want the game to flow

[@DownUnderWarboss]

Both union world cup finals were a debacle and it seems that the governing body recognize this. 32/80 minutes of actual rugby being played is an embarrassment and is indefensible.

[@dantewalters5209]

@@DownUnderWarboss was it now? Very exciting and entertaining with record number of spectators each tournament exceeding that of the previous WC.

[@tappie34]

@@SplatWun I agree with this 100% I think bigger focus needs to be put in the entertainment aspect and the sport itself should be left alone for a bit just to settle. Half the recent rule changes are to fix something another rule change caused, it's impossible to get the entertainment aspect right while the sport is this unstable. I think union's biggest issues are instability and inconsitency, they need to get the game stable, which will in turn simplify and speed up officiating and make it more consistent. After that they can worry about ball in play time and flow of the game and all the rest of the nice to haves

[@charlottescott7150]

Interesting comparison

[@user-jv2ye6bt9m]

It doesn’t have to fight against soccer in Europe .

[@duplicafly98]

it's spelled "football"

[@SplatWun]

NRL has to fight against AFL, Cricket, and Football/Soccer... Europe's TV market isn't as saturated as the Australian market.

[@colstoun4762]

The Australian winter sports coverage is the most competitive of any country in the world (or at least it was for a long time). You have AFL, NRL, SR, A-league as the major sports but Australia in general watches a crazily large amount of sport from surf living saving to triathlon to horse racing. It is one of the reasons why super rugby is struggling. It is actually incredible that the rebels lasted as long as they did independently in Melbourne which is the AFL heart land and the storm which has a huge following.

[@Alaster-]

​@@duplicafly98awww, it's ok precious.

[@andrewimms7676]

I'm a rugby fan but I gotta say the NRL final is mental, it has the same feel in Sydney as the Rugby world cup in NZ, or the Football World cup final in Europe. Since the clubs rule, no one cares about growing it outside Oz . Its also a higher skill level than club rugby. Internationals ... well thats a different thing

[@dane1056]

Rugby did much better at spreading the game. Being amatuer for so much longer benefitted it in that regard. League being professional meant they solely focused on making money and concentrating on their current product rather than helping wlthe worldwide game to grow.

[@fasterout777]

Do you seriously look in a mirror and believe that contribution?

[@dane1056]

@@fasterout777 do you seriously believe you just made cogent response?

[@fasterout777]

@@dane1056 So, you're happy to post a comment filled with errors and misinformation but you can't deal with a reply. Why not stick to you own lane and not comment on topics you clearly have no intelligence of.

[@dane1056]

@@fasterout777 having grown up playing both and being part of both scenes means I've got an opinion. Claiming misinformation with no proof suggests your a troll with nothing to add but nonsense. Keep trolling numb nuts. It's obviously all you have in life

[@dane1056]

@@fasterout777 you make the statement but don't explain what it is you think is false and full of errors. Seems more you're just talking out your backside.

[@pepesanchez5802]

I agree........ P.S... the NRL are gunning for rugby's women too, The NRLW will eclipse all women's rugby....that's my prediction

[@mitchellsmith300]

I honestly probably actually start watching NRLW next year because my team(the bulldogs) are getting a team.

[@joaofigueiras1106]

As a union fan from Portugal. The most annoying type of union fan is definitely the one who jokes about how small league is, as if union by itself is not a small sport as well. Plus, the vast majority of union fans are very casual, only watching the international tests. A sport can't sustain itself with that and league has the NRL, which is bigger than all of the union club competitions combined

[@alunjprice]

Are you ‘avin a larf? Combine all the union club competitions together and it dwarfs the NRL, there are only 17 clubs, so even if it is well attended, that’s tiny compared to the global union club attendance.

[@joaofigueiras1106]

@@alunjprice their TV deal is worth more than all of the major union comps combined. That's what I meant. Also, you could combine the support of the Welsh URC teams and it wouldn't match the support a team like the Broncos get

[@subbie5498]

​@@joaofigueiras1106thats cuz the welsh teams are really bad atm

[@joaofigueiras1106]

@@subbie5498 the Welsh teams have never had good crowds, just look at the Ospreys when they had a crazy squad. People just aren't interested in club rugby, and thats where the focus should be

[@readesiun988]

What a very stupid statement, google can help sort out your delusional statement, try it out

[@superbowljoel01]

shouldn't it be called the NRLL? National Rugby League League

[@alanfox691]

No, you're missing the point completely.

[@spancherBob]

In Russia rugby league called rugby-13

[@mitchellsmith300]

No because it is dominant rugby league in Australia

[@gavinringland1362]

North SYDNEY. BRERS. Comes. BARKS. IN. A. Australia

[@steveosullivan4211]

I get your point that NRL is bigger at club level than in rugby. But the opposite at nation level. I would suggest the reason the NRL is bigger at club is because, the NRL, actively sub-press the internation game, as they know they would be in trouble...as Aust would win 99% of games. Therefore are you comparing apples with apples???

[@johnryan509]

I would suppose if you were to factor in the Champions Cup in Europe it might swing attendance numbers a little, but comparing the domestic competitions a more of a level playing field.

[@jjeales7329]

NRL is easily the premier footy in both codes, unreal to watch and state of origin is pure next level. But the all blacks and the union WC are bloody class and a great spectacle every 4 years too

[@frasercornwall3517]

Another thing to mention about club game is that rugby union has 4 big club comps in prem,URC,Top 14 and super rugby while rugby league only has NRL and super league (which isn’t as big as the prem in England). Rugby union also has a continental comp in the champions cup. Rugby league does have the world club challenge though which is very good and I think they should do this in union. Winner of champions cup vs winner of super rugby to be crowned best In the world. Feel the club World Cup will try and do this not sure how well though

[@frasercornwall3517]

Rugby sevens is also an offshoot of rugby union and Lea doesn’t have anything popular like that

[@tallshort1849]

How do the two codes compare at Grassroots level?

[@rhysjones9870]

Just cant get into League, yeah the pace of it can be entartaining but it just feels like a much more dumbed down version of the sport and more of an individuals game than a team game

[@Alaster-]

This! Union has always been more interesting to me, both playing and watching. And since watching decent analysis videos like Squidge, it's only enhanced Union as a way more interesting game. Aside from the State of Origin, I can't watch League any more.

[@yodaking8764]

Rugby union

[@gavinringland1362]

Western Australia

[@Jafana09]

I like both but prefer Union. I agree, club wise NRL wins in that category due to a condensed audience and lack of international calendar games. Union is small comparatively in club but big in international due to audiences being more spread out amongst clubs then brought together for international. So if we are talking about which sport is bigger, for me its Union. Money wise, of course NRL has it, they only have to focus mainly on the comp and not so much on international, whereas Union money is spread out to grow (NZ for example) provincial, then the next level of SR and then national team for calendar games. Well thats just my 2cents but i follow both codes, one more than the other.

[@JHPT-CPT]

I watch both and enjoy both. They are appealing to me in different ways. Union is appealing in the different aspects of line outs scrums etc more contests in different facets of the play whereas I like the continuous flow and pace in leage. I do think Union could take a few more learnings from the league to make the game a bit more exciting. For one I find in league the calls and TMO decisions tend to be quicker. The scrums in union need to be reffed better and my suggestion would be to get a scrum ref on and start recruiting ex front rowers to ref this part. They would know best who is up to no good in the scrums 😅 and IRB needs to stop with all the rule changes they are slowly ruining the game! anyways love your content and always enjoy the videos!

[@johnzadkovich2990]

I like both codes, but the excessive use of the TMO in union makes it challenging to watch; NRL simply plays faster.

[@l8on17]

NRL is only 1 league competition so it’s all Rugby League fans really have. Super Rugby, Top14, URC, Japanese league and most of all the European champions cup which is huge. Union is definitely the bigger sport, more players, more fans and it’s still one of the fastest growing sports globally while League is littlest nonexistent in Wales my son plays Union l, said he can’t get into league because you can’t fight for the ball, it’s an odd game but each to their own. Union is by far a bigger sport globally

[@Crashtestdummy1]

It's not really a straightforward comparison to make. In this comparison, there are fair few variables at play. The saying "There are lies, dammed lies, and then there are statistics" comes to mind. League primarily concentrated over 2 competitions Union split over 5 "big" leagues and one big competition in the champions Cup. Do you then compare each competition individually or as united fronts? In European countries, Union is absolutely dwarfed by football again. Union is not even the second most popular sport in most countries. Do we then say in that context, union is more appealing since it has compete for sponsors, viewership, and participants with a behemoth such as football? The NRL, on the other hand, does compete with other sports, but does the two environments compare? Therefore, what are the comparable market shares of each code within their operating environment then? These are just 2 factors I quickly thought of. Ultimately , to fully compare, it would involve a fairly complex statistical analysis with a lot more variables than we can think of. In the end, rugby union is doing well and growing (with the exception of Aus). League, I don't know, but the NRL on its own is already very impressive. Who cares then! With the exception of a few countries, as a whole, both codes are doing well!

[@fasterout777]

I sure that the arrival of the messiah (Joseph Suaalii) to the Wallabies will answer all the issues in Australian Rugby, hell, RA has mortgaged the farm to do it, Seriously, what an epic waste of money that deal is given he;ll run straight back to the NRL when the RA money dries up.

[@tim.jenkins75]

In Wales league is called northern Rugby..... well it was when my dad was alive...😂

[@scottiramage317]

I like both

[@mati-wh1dt]

I think I heard that the next League world cup is gonna get cut down to 10 teams. Oh and why didn't you look at the Super League numbers??

[@andjammor]

I’m South African so we only know union, but I heard it from an Aussie who played in the NRL who told me that union was for the rich elitists. If you came from a blue collar family background he said it was almost frowned upon to play union rugby as opposed to league or Aussie rules. Pretty interesting

[@dustinalessi6602]

One sport is in the Olympics and the other isn’t. Thats huge in terms of casual fans or potential new fans tuning in

[@philipqvist7322]

Worldwide Union is the dominant Rugby Code, although I agree League is doninant code in Australia and the Northern parts of England - but that's it. For the record, although I'm a Saffer I enjoy watching League, especially NRL (for my sins I'm a Rabbittoh fan - and they are currently having a wretched season) and the Super League in England. But yeah, Union is still my preferable code - and overall the stats support Union. You should also mention the other code, Sevens which is a hybrid of the 2 codes. PS I would love to see a SA Rugby League Team (and they have played in 2 RLWC's), but it doesnt stand a chance competing against the Union code, which is massive here.

[@osmanperaltaguzman8337]

People from oceania acting like nrl are the nba o nfl nobody outside aus and nz cares about that league with ordinary shirts

[@thephantomstranger4073]

What about total pair of eyeballs as club level world wide??

[@adammaggs8563]

I’m only a new rugby code fan being a Melbournian. I’m an AFL fan, AFL smashes attendance of most sports. But has low/no take up overseas. I like all 3, league is a club game and state of origin is the epitomy of the sport internationally. Whereas union is awesome internationally, club comp sucks. especially in Melbourne where I didn’t know the rebels existed til recently. I hate any sport comparison and love most

[@stephenjudge4356]

This is why soccer is king, it is one game everywhere in the world. We have Union, League & then there's American Grid Iron. We are happy in our small compartments but will never be able to compete in size. Worse is a sport like Karate. Full contact v sports karate don't talk at all. There are many different styles and codes, each with their own rules. It's such a massive sport, with representation in many more countries than rugby but they are not even an Olympic sport because of all the splits and variations.

[@jnic2165]

I'm like your dad, I enjoy both codes and I cant understand ppl who say they love one and hate the other. They are so similar, enjoy them both ! Up the Wahs and up the ABs

[@alexbarclay9615]

I like scrums, turnovers and lineouts that’s why I don’t like league

[@fasterout777]

best contribution to this comments sectiion. Well said

[@ahhere7880]

I would say league better club comp but union streets ahead internationally and in terms of club union is closer to league then league is to union internationally. Rugby World Cup trumps the nrl in terms of numbers ( viewers profit) and it’s not even close

[@maximus_3111]

rugby League is carried by the nrl and a little by the super League when we look in the rest of the world it is regression, the last European championship has been cancelled. The next World Cup will bring together only 10 nations when in rugby union it will play at 24 nations, in truth it’s just that in some nations there are difficulties in Australia the rebels should disappear at the end of the season and their national team is extremely weak, in England the clubs are over indebted and in Wales they have so much trouble that I can’t even list them all

[@joaofigueiras1106]

Have you ever heard of commas and full stops?

[@alanfox691]

​@@joaofigueiras1106 Chill some of us have problems with spelling & grammar that is not fault of our own it's how we where born. I personally have Homocystinuria something I doubt you personally have the first clue about so stop the bloody high & mighty act get a flaming grip. No one made you the the judge of humanity so raign it in or bolt. This is about Rugby Union not bloody spelling & grammar. Christ you should come to Scotland the S.N.P. would snap you up as qick as you could blink they love people like you it could be a life long job for you.

[@jakeclough8090]

Union clubs are in debt sure, doesn’t mean the support is struggling. They, like ALL uk businesses, are really struggling with spiralling costs. And then they’re also trying to stay competitive with France and if you make the wrong decisions with loans, bad liquidity and equity etc, they’ll go under. Or your millionaire/billionaire owner don’t want the losses anymore. But it’s not just a rugby thing. Most championship football clubs, so clubs in the league below the premier league, also make a loss and football is massive here

[@maximus_3111]

​​@@jakeclough8090 except that the English rugby clubs in cumulative have more than 340 million pound debts it’s just huge if the british government forces them to repay, all the clubs will go bankrupt, also the leaders of the rfu kill the championship by preventing clubs from going up for bogus reasons and the rfu is the richest union in the world in terms of liquidity and it is also the 2nd in terms of registered players if the premiership collapses it is the end of rugby in England

[@jakeclough8090]

@@maximus_3111 just talking rubbish 😂

[@TGuinness]

Union

[@Aimless_Guy]

I like both as well as the AFL.

[@alexbarclay9615]

I think the club leagues aren’t comparable because certainly in the UK, we have the football, which restricts numbers for rugby but in the Pacific you don’t have that

[@fasterout777]

Huh? You think that leage or Union operate in a vacuum of no competition in the Pacific? Heard of AFL? Do you not think that Fottball isnt also growing in the Pacific? FFS, given how bad the Wallabies are now...Australia's "national team" is probobly the Soccoroos!

[@mitchellsmith300]

@@fasterout777 no the cricket team is our national team. Honestly not trying to be racist,( I love the fact that Australia is so multi-cultural). But just by looking at the last names of the cricket team players compared to the soccer team shows which sport has the national team.

[@guidof3444]

400 millons aud is 260 millons USD, if you have around 100 millons per european competition (eng + france + urc ) you are talking about 300 millones euros wich is way more than 260 millons USD

[@bwdown]

You've added three competitions together. Comparison is one v one competition eg NRL v URC

[@geotruthnz7013]

The NRL has been pro for a long time and should be good at what it does which it is while Union comps are only just at primary school learning the basics of pro sport so it's amazing that union comps are still good considering how bad the union comps are at making good decisions. NRL will struggle to get much bigger quickly as it is already achieving very high for it's size while the growth possibility in union comps are massive in comparison should the union comps sort there crap out. We can have great international and domestic comps not just one or the other.

[@omacburma]

It's a shame that the ARU is so focused on turning the game into league (to compete with the NRL), that the rest of us have to deal with the consequences in terms of rule changes and marketing.

[@kirwan1414]

I get sick of it also. The Club game is all that 5 tackle & kick really has, so of course it has big numbers for that.

[@sakkiekibido1665]

But look at the stormers who have over 30 000 attendance every saturday in Cape town.

[@Primal-Weed]

The Stormers have always had great support, even in the Super Rugby days. I wish they had won a Super Rugby title lol.

[@wlk2408]

I have no clue about rugby league. What it sounds like, league only has one big club competition with a big following. During the 1980's when South Africa were in isolation the Currie Cup had massive following. Regular season games would fill Newlands, Ellispark or Lotfus. It was nothing un usual to watch a regular season game at Ellispark between Transvaal (Lions) and Northern-Transvaal (Bulls) and have a sell out crowd. We didn't have international rugby so our local competition got all the attention. You have to look a global participation and viewership and then you realize there is no comparison. League is tiny compared to union on a global scale.

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

League is small, union is a little larger. Both are really rather small sports in a global context.

[@The_wolf_gamer]

we needa top who cares whats better its what u like what why do people care so much about whats better its what u like better

[@spancherBob]

I love rugby union.🏉❤ I like everything about it! I can't stand rugby league. It's better to watch North American football.🏈

[@gavinringland1362]

Australia

[@eonrossouw3399]

League is popular on one continent. And has one big competition in Australia. Union has big competition in every other continent. How are the other league competitions doing? Non existing. In other countries this isn’t even a question no one cares about league other than Aus and NZ.

[@TOTN17]

I would say overall Union is the bigger sport globally due to having a much larger international game BUT the NRL is bigger than any club Union competition.

[@Primal-Weed]

Rugby has professional rugby comps all over the world. League has only 2.

[@ahhere7880]

Union is way bigger and it’s not even close. League is only played in Oz and north of England. Union is played everywhere now

[@thewielloyd988]

I’d say the Top 14 probably has the NRL’s number for the bigger domestic competition. Fan numbers and atmosphere seem much better in the Top 14, even more so when you consider Pro D2 is much much more popular than NSW and QLD Cup.

[@fasterout777]

@@thewielloyd988 It;s impossible to emphasise just how ridiculous this statement is. NRL franchises (all 17 of them) operate 4 grades, have 30 contracted players and spend a collective $200 million a years on first grade player contracts under the salary cap

[@GaelicGuy]

@@thewielloyd988 Last year the Top 14 and Pro D2 had 3.9 million in attendance combined. The NRL had over 4 million. Do some research 😂😂

[@Rayrulesohye]

Union is the best. A game for all shapes and sizes

[@arties.s.1026]

Do you think that one day Super Rugby will be able to join the Investec Champions Cup and the Challenge Cup?

[@Dinkybear622]

Super Rugby looking far worse than 10k. Blues v Force past weekend was very sad.

[@gavinringland1362]

We are keep. NSW

[@Pesso86]

If you live outside Australia, New Zealand (and I guess the north of England), the answer to that question is...what is rugby league? 😁🤣

[@siphesihleoliphant8734]

Add South Africa to the list 😂

[@bazwilli]

dont you only play league and back line union-league in nz 😊

[@johnmcdonald-6196]

One has a thriving international competition, and still strong club competition, the other doesn’t. Enough doesn’t.

[@intothemultiverseai]

Send all Super Rugby Players to URC, English, France and English League. Its what yoou get for kicking SA out

[@peterclark6290]

Rugby is played in more leagues (organised regional comps) than League has professional clubs and on more continents (a given). More ex-players who have extracted the benefits and apply it usefully in their daily life. We have less people in jail, or dealing with mental issues. Rugby League is entertainment for the WW1 Officer mentality. _"Off you go chaps, walk in a straight line towards those machine guns. I'll stay here to fill my ink cartridge and keep the tea warm. Best of British and all that. Ever so nice to have met you. Been absolutely lovely whatever your name was."_ Rugby Union is for those who need to have very good reasons to expect the enemy will 'cease and desist' for their benefit.

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

You seem to have a difficult relationship with reality.

[@peterclark6290]

@@TRexo-ds5ze Which you will now dissect and expose the source of disconnection. I'll wait _for the notifications._

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

@@peterclark6290 There is no dissecting that sort of mindless waffle

[@peterclark6290]

@@TRexo-ds5ze Not for you genius. Back in your cage.

[@EdgarJnrJnr]

simple solution start a rugby union league

[@MarcDavidReich]

League is HUGE in Australia. But I enjoy both.

[@jmo8934]

Union obviously is. The Aussie national team has gone down the toilet so Australian fans have flocked to league where it’s always been really big in Eastern Australia. After all everyone loves a winner. Then you have the north of England. Those are the two hotspots with a few pockets here and there elsewhere. Union is big in a number of countries.

[@somersetfan1]

Rugby league isn't even that popular in Northern England, apart from Wigan it's only around the M62 motorway.

[@Verita1975]

Oh one last thing .. in South Africa the largest sport by FAR is soccer. There are 1.4 million formally registered players and 4.5 million players who play occasional!! Compare that to 600,000 formally registered rugby players. The number of soccer players is almost the same as the number of people in New Zealand! There are only 2 sports on this earth which are truly global … athletics (every healthy person has run a race even if only in grade 1) and soccer ( every person has kicked a soccer ball) . I’m a white South African love watching Rugby ( and lots of other sports) I am 49 and never picked up a rugby ball in my life!!! I have player soccer at school, at clubs and as a vet … never touched a rugby ball (I want to an all boys Catholic school .. we didnt even have Rugby as a sport then ). Oh the reason that only soccer and athletics are and will be global sports is because they are the only sports that can be played everywhere with minimal equipment. To play rugby properly you need a decent field to do swimming you need a swimming pool. For all we know the most talented rugby player ( of any code ) is in Burkina Faso and the best swimmer is in Chad. The world is a very big place. PS it’s one on my problems with the Winter Olympics .. excludes 60% of the world that does not have … winter … why not have an Extreme Summer Olympics where you can only compete if the temperature is above 35 degrees and the UV index is 10+

[@DownUnderWarboss]

League is smaller undoubtedly. But in terms of actual sport of rugby being played, League has nearly twice the amount of: Passes, running Meters, tackles, offloads, carries, attacking kicks, diving tries, defenders beaten, try saving defense and rugby skills in general etc. The reason why you're doing this, is since the last two rugby world cup finals (men's & womens) were a debacle and decided by the referee, the NRL has been growing leaps and bounds. With the NRL matches in the U.S.A and their proclivity for a fast entertaining game, rugby needs to be worried.

[@alunjprice]

League is a tough watch for most union supporters, you could have 4 times all the things you list and it would still be as dull as ditchwater for most of us, 6 passes and constant trucking up into your opposite number just doesn’t do it for us, we like the scrums and lineouts etc. It’s big down where you are, but globally, it’s not even close.

[@jakeclough8090]

It’s funny you actually believe that 😂😂

[@Triple5live]

League is like Basketball, a goal every 39 seconds, but a very simple sport, union is like cricket, a more cerebrally challenging game.

[@ngabushallday6642]

Both. But Union needs help.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

NZ is a sporting nation and punches well above its weight in both codes. Not many nations can lay claim to that.😂

[@YinWhoo-zx2sz]

Rugby League is a watered-down version of Union which is the oldest code. Rugby League is not popular in Ireland, Scotland, Wales or South Africa at all. Rugby Union requires more technical skills but not as much athleticism. Rugby Union is easily more popular globally!

[@MrUHTiger]

Its the excitement factor Union brought in rules that were shit and slowed the game down, made it boring. I only watch the Hurricanes, All Blacks and the top 14 comp.. i watch all league games because its exciting its fast..

[@timmado8441]

I enjoy both its the fans that ruin it.

[@clemfandango619]

Loigue is bigger in NSW and Queensland, a few pit towns in Lancashire and Yorkshire . its not even Australia and the North of England. NRL is just pretend Rugby.

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

Rugby League was established as a working class uprising and ultimately became a sort of social movement. Which is why it remains so strong in the communities which fostered it, it's part of their identity. This is something many people can't grasp; you can call it 'pretend' if you wish; for people involved it is very, very real.

[@clemfandango619]

@@TRexo-ds5ze jeez. Claiming Loigue is some sort of rebel sport is so cringe. No scrums, line-outs, ruck or mauls. Fake.

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

@@clemfandango619 Either you've never read about the history of Rugby League or you're a WUM. Its entire reason for being is as an act of rebellion.

[@edwardevans9162]

Union is bigger but the NRL is the best competition

[@gezzarandom]

As you said Mark, club it’s league, international it’s union. In league the pinnacle is the state of origin, whereas in union it’s the World Cup. Even Russell Crowe, who is a league fanatic, said international league doesn’t work. The Aussie league team are so dominant they’re on the same pedestal as the likes of USA basketball. But one question, how does the European Champions Cup compare with the NRL in terms of attendance?

[@footyfin]

This being a rugby union channel, you're clearly asking a biased sample 😉 look at the great diversity of nations who have won RWCs, and the glittering spectacle and advertisement for rubgy that was the last RWC, particularly the final - bound to attract legions of new fans to the sport. 😂

[@jaycordner3890]

Like aussie rules and grid iron. Only played in their countries. Australia and Nz hardly has a population of note. If SA WAS IN SUPER RUGBY THEN remember average was around 30 to 40 000 per game in Africa. That's why nz and Australia lost out when SA LEFT.

[@jakeclough8090]

Well they just don’t average that 😂

[@n-tertainmentx-tended4760]

Yeah, league is absolutely tiny. And they know it too, which is why they are trying to expand to USA.

[@hyonimarru]

I am South African so league is virtually non-existent here.

[@jnic2165]

I'm a League fan, while the NRL is undoubtedly the king of domestic in either code, it would take league a century to catch up to Union internationally, maybe we can check in again on this question in year 3024 😅

[@barnigranero5882]

"Super" Rugby is a rubbish franchise competition. That doesn't help in Australia. Everywhere else, Rugby Union is bigger. You can't really use social media followers to judge Rugby popularity. Most People who like Rugby Union don't tend to be the kind of people who sit on social media all day. They tend to have lives.

[@EdgarJnrJnr]

union obviously

[@jaycordner3890]

RWC OVER 1 BILLION VIEWS. LEAGUE 29 MILLION 😂😂😂

[@jnic2165]

Isn't that the whole piont ? Union dwarfs league internationally but the NRL dwarfs Union domestically

[@mitchellsmith300]

No way Union had 1 billion that is absolute bullshit

[@TRexo-ds5ze]

1 billion views is not a number supported by any evidence.