Which Lane to Exit a Roundabout?

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Ashley Neal

Ashley Neal

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When you have turned right at a roundabout in the UK should you exit into Lane 1 to Lane 2? In this video I explore the pros and cons of each.
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@ibs5080
@ibs5080 2 жыл бұрын
One thing to add: If you are going to exit in Lane 2, make sure you are actually fully in Lane 2 and not cut partially over into Lane 1 as well, especially if another car is in Lane 1. I see this happen many times.
@inyobill
@inyobill 2 жыл бұрын
I see poor lane discipline often.
@markwalton8644
@markwalton8644 2 жыл бұрын
I don't take the chance in trusting another driver to stay in their lane so I would either drop back and let them lead and stay behind or take the lead and let them drop behind me. If there's traffic on the Roundabout I position in between the two cars next to me to allow the other driver to see me. I find this gives me more control and the other driver knowledge of me being there near them.
@ethelmini
@ethelmini 2 жыл бұрын
@@markwalton8644 I know what you mean, but that defeats the purpose of having multiple lanes. That said the car on the outside should have farther to go, so you would naturally close on it if you didn't slow down.
@markwalton8644
@markwalton8644 2 жыл бұрын
@@ethelmini Either or! I don't trust a car next to me whilst moving. Often drivers are unsure where they're going or their unaware you're next to them, so I just make sure I'm ahead or behind.
@wallace-bv4rl
@wallace-bv4rl 2 жыл бұрын
My read on the explanation in the video is that the other car in lane 1 won’t be there. The very fact that it could be there suggests support for exiting into lane 2 as a cautious way of dealing with under taking loonies…. I think!?
@jamesabbott6425
@jamesabbott6425 2 жыл бұрын
In early enough that you might see this, just want to say cheers for the videos, been watching for around a month and have seen my driving improve week on week since. Better control of speed, less ego and anticipating issues have all become much more important parts of my every day driving. Keep up the great work :D
@jackwatsonepic626
@jackwatsonepic626 2 жыл бұрын
My driver has improved as well when some dick head now( as a example) does something wrong in front of you I don't lose my rag (temper) anymore I don't mean road rage ethier I've never done that one I have had people do that to me probably because I look like Charles hawtrey of the carry on films ( the one with the glasses on) I was just banging the steering wheel and mumbling on which I think quite a few of us did before we started watching these videos .
@NaturallyCuriousUK
@NaturallyCuriousUK 2 жыл бұрын
You and me both James 🙂
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for detailing a commonly held fallacy about exiting roundabouts when turning right. At about 1:30 you do exactly as I was taught and practise, but I have found more recently that drivers entering the roundabout _after_ me, will accelerate quickly as if to pass me on my left and try to prevent me making that 'slide across'. This happens to me into exits where two lanes immediately merge into one, there's not the option of taking a later right turn, and the move is ends up like one of those situations where people block merge-in-turn traffic. Part of the problem I think is that too many people view roundabouts (and all roads) as race tracks and even vehicles on the roundabout already are viewed as legitimate targets for overtaking. Not safe, not legal, not necessary.
@ibs5080
@ibs5080 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I get the same thing happening and it's very annoying. I mean, how quick should I have to be in my slide across to beat the other driver behind me? It shouldn't even be a case of that anyway! You are right that other folks see roundabouts as race tracks. Other aspects of this is on the approach to a roundabout with two lanes and a driver in the other lane will try to "outbrake" you in some attempt to race you to get there first. Similarly if you are waiting for a roundabout to clear, as soon as it does so, the driver in the next lane will race to be on there before you, often just missing the last car on the roundabout that has cleared.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
probably the simplest change drivers could make that would improve safety the most is to stop thinking of junctions as places to try to overtake.
@donkmeister
@donkmeister 2 жыл бұрын
Often this is because of people in general taking roundabouts too quickly, leaving no option but to accelerate quickly onto the roundabout especially at busy times. Nothing is foolproof on the roads, but you'll usually find that your left blinker and road position are enough for them to read your intentions and give you space, even though it might not be as much space as you'd like.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
@@donkmeister nothing is foolproof and there is no shortage of fools.
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 2 жыл бұрын
The racetrack problem is not limited to roundabouts, these idiots are everywhere, they usually racing to get into a position where they'd get cut off or something else will happen to offend them.
@garyknight8616
@garyknight8616 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree with you. On a slight tangent to this video I have to say that I particularly hate 2 lane roundabout exits that immediately merge down to a single lane. This road design seems to provoke really poor and aggressive driving.
@initialyze
@initialyze 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Had one of these on my commute. Two lane entry to r/about with right lane clearly signed to turn right. People always used it to overtake queues of traffic and then cut in on the straight ahead, which had a wide exit that narrowed to a single lane immediately.
@Mortarion6666
@Mortarion6666 2 жыл бұрын
My instructor taught me the same way you teach it. Mirrors, indicate as you're passing the exit before yours, shoulder check, slide across into the left lane just before the exit of the roundabout, and then you're ready to rock and roll
@christopheratkinson1690
@christopheratkinson1690 2 жыл бұрын
When I was training as a pdi for BSM I gave my pupil a direction " at the roundabout I would like you to turn right" my pupil did so OK but turned right straight into oncoming instead of going around with me frantically pulling on the steering wheel. Taught me a big lesson on how I deliver my instruction that day
@ItzJNazz
@ItzJNazz 2 жыл бұрын
My driving instructor taught me the same lesson. "If there's room for a misunderstanding, expect it to happen". Saved me from a trip to the junkyard more than I like to admit.
@nearlyretired7005
@nearlyretired7005 2 жыл бұрын
Threre is nothing you can do if the pupil is stupid!
@A.G.T.A.G.
@A.G.T.A.G. 2 жыл бұрын
I was taught NOT to change lanes on a roundabout (and slide over) but when turning right on a roundabout you should stay in lane two with the option for exiting to lane one ONLY after ensuring it was clear to do so by checking for traffic in or entering lane one. This enabled people entering the roundabout from my straight-ahead position, i.e. where the lorry was coming from (if it was moving) to turn left as there was no-one in lane one. Having them give way to both lanes can have them sitting there for an unecassary amount of time if there is a constant stream of traffic turning right and all exiting in lane two.
@hedone23
@hedone23 2 жыл бұрын
Some countries teach that for a good reason ...safety + avoiding congestions...not in England though :D
@douglasreid699
@douglasreid699 8 ай бұрын
i feel it depends on the roundabout and the vehicle you drive. i drive a van, it has a big rear left blind spot, so if the exit has 2 lanes, i exit into lane 2 usually to get better view from the mirrors and then move to lane 1 when safe to do so. i mostly use this in Dundee where there is a 6 lane exit from a roundabout on the kingsway, its a rather tight roundabout, an oval shape, lots of risk of others not doing it correctly and not staying staggered and entering my blind spot. i feel doing it stage by stage is better and safer than doing it all at the same time and trusting others to keep you safe and reduce risk by them not going into your blind spot. i play in a scottish pipeband so maybe i draw some stage by stage from marching, we set of on the left foot, commands are given on the left foot, its all timed to the left foot in advance. i did some training as drum major and each hand movement is based on the left foot to give a command. its difficult to describe it in a comment though on how it applies to driving.
@paulamos8970
@paulamos8970 2 жыл бұрын
I only found your channel by chance, it is excellent and incredibly informative. I am going to make a comment which has nothing to do with this video but I've not seen one that looks at the topics covered particularly in main one. A number of years ago I was caught by a mobile maned speed camera doing 53 in a 50 about 400 yds after the 50 sign from 70. I normally am below that before the sign but on this occasion I was retuning from the care home where my mother had just died and wasn't concentrating as much as I should have been. Luckily I was offered the driver awareness course, at the time it was 39 years after I past my driving test. At the beginning everyone was asked their 1st name, their job if employed and the year they past their test, these were put Infront of each of us. Throughout the course I was staggered at the general attitude of the people who did a lot of driving as part of their job, in that they had to waste an afternoon (3hrs) attending and most were only doing it to save getting 3 points on their licences! The two biggest eye openers for me were: 1st, the demonstration of speeding on duel carriageways or Motorways. The demonstration vehicle used was a Police Vauxhall Omega 3.6 litre V6 Estate (the same as my vehicle at the time, it being an ex Police one). On i'th inside lane was parked the stopped vehicle and at a specific distance before it was the hit the breaks (traction control engaged). At 70 mph the Omega stopped just over a car's length short of the stopped car, at 80 mph it stopped with the front of the bonet level with the back of the front seats, at 100 mph i'th Omega was still traveling over 65 mph when it passed the rear of the stopped car! Before this demonstration I always drove quickly and above the speed limit on duel carriageways but always below the limit on roads below the national speed limit, thinking that my vehicle could stop very quickly, it would stand on it's nose when you braked hard. Not any longer, 65 - 70 mph is fine and lesser stressful at the end of the journey or day. 2nd, the total lack of knowledge of even the most basic things in the highway code (I've not read one since passing my test in Jan '82) nobody other than me answered the questions correctly, I even waited until wrong answers were given or nobody put a hand up before raising mine. There we people who had past their tests less than 12 months before and had sat a theory test, I am required to take a mandatory driving awareness test online every 2 years to continue in my job but even without having to do so I keep up with changes that are introduced. If the driver speed awareness course was run by the Police or DVLA I could see numerous people having to resit a theory test if not a full one on the display exhibited by my fellow course attendees! I would go so far as to say that mandatory 10 year retests when photo licence expires would not be a bad thing. It would be a major inconvenience for most and test centres would need to expand capacity. It would also give those who are probably unfit to drive because of age or general health an easy way to stop voluntarily rather than being told by a Dr or family members. And it would remove a number of terrible drivers from the road until they learn to pass again! No doubt this will not go down well as an idea with the majority of viewers and I very much doubt that it is something that will happen in what's left of my lifetime and probably most of the viewers too. Sorry that it's so long!
@ItzJNazz
@ItzJNazz 2 жыл бұрын
Just chiming in here. Got my license back in 2019 and have been driving a lot since then (anywhere from 4km-250km daily). Noticed that a lot of people, both newer drivers/learners and experienced drivers (had license for over 25 years) struggle with not only roundabouts, but also when it comes to knowledge or understanding of how a car handles during different circumstances. An example could just be a Ford Fiesta and a Ford Raptor. For instance, when it comes to roundabouts here, if there's 1 lane in and 2 lanes out (straight ahead), one should position their car far right (Scandinavia for reference) to go straight into either exiting lane. The left position here is simply to turn left and is illegal by law to continue straight. Surprised most people forget/don't know this here. That, and how a 2000kg SUV usually dont have the turning capabilities of a compact hatchback like say the VW Golf or the Kia Ceed. I often see drivers, both new and experienced, struggle to determin/overestimate the capabilities of their car. A very good examle of this is well, most people here in an SUV like the G-wagon or a Range Rover. It's very common here for people with bigger vehicles to "bully" other road users into giving priority, not in the typical way of forcing their way, but more on the "I'm constantly underestimating the size of my car" side of things. The UP here (emergency patrol, roughly translated) have snapchat accounts and often post some of their work. It be speeding tickets, drug tests or informative posts on laws. Seen posts on people doing well over 2-3x the speed limit or getting a full score on the drug tests. The interesting part is how the results show reckless driving is not limited to age, wealth or gender. There's been anything from 78yr old grandmas doing +80kmh in 50kmh limits, to 18yr olds losing their license within the day of getting it. What I'm getting at is that regardless of age, gender or wealth, people on the road seem to be so out of touch with how vehicles work it's starting to get dangerous. For instance, out of everyone at my job (roughly 4000 people), statistically speaking, most of them have no idea how to check the tyre pressure on their car. Is it a bad thing? Absolutely not. But has it caused headlines due to exploded/punctured tyres? A few too many times. Absolutely agree that regular retests should be a thing, along with an updated written test as newer cars are very different (e.g Toyota's RAV4 models). That, and a speedcourse in how different cars behave under different circumstances (e.g how an SUV and a hatchback will have different braking lengths, along with how to brake efficiently on different surfaces). Also a speedcourse in what mindset to have on the road. Seen way too many people with the mindset of "I'm in a bigger car so I'll just take priority" or the classic impatient melon rushing past only to end up at the same red light/intersection.
@TimRsn
@TimRsn 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the near misses I see on roundabouts are caused when drivers try to use the roundabout as an overtaking opportunity. It just creates unessecary increased risk.
@type17
@type17 2 жыл бұрын
True - if you watch any 'dashcam fails' videos from around the world, the majority of the roundabout issues are caused when someone is trying to overtake to get ahead, or is overtaking without realising it (ie: not paying attention) and then gets caught out when they or another driver tries to move across to exit.
@tonerusson5656
@tonerusson5656 2 жыл бұрын
At 55 and having been a professional driver most of my life. I just watched this video and you sir are incredible. I have driven all my life trying to keep up with my test standard, your explanation of what lanes a person should use on entry and exit of a roundabout are my views exactly. I have had countless idiots around me who think otherwise and tbh all they do is cause the problems you just highlighted. I will be honest with you Ashley, this video should be shown to all people learning to drive so they can get a better understanding of how a roundabout should work to keep the traffic flowing. lets not start with those who think a roundabout is actually a straight through about. I think maybe you need to show this as another of your videos. On a side note, anyone in my circle who is learning to drive or has kids learning to drive I send them straight to your videos. I tell them, if you want to do things correctly listen to Ashley and do as he says. You explain better than I can. Thnx loads for this one. It ends a friendly disagreement I have had with a relation.
@stuartholden5845
@stuartholden5845 2 жыл бұрын
I watch Ashley's videos quite a lot and I, like yourself, try to keep a high standard of driving, and find that what Ashley has stated in his videos is of the same standard that I keep. Keep up the good work. Keep your wheels rollin' and your heart rockin'.
@jhareng
@jhareng 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest this is the best video confirming nothings changed in 40 odd years since passing test. Too many just hog/take 2nd lane (too late) then expect others not to undertake. If the 'Slid' over earlier to inside lane, there wouldnt be a problem ie roughly when you would be indicating you intend to turn left should be drifting over. What we see often is drivers in inner right lane suddenly exit left crossing left lane when directly in front of them, then wonder why or how someones already there mentioned dozens of times above.
@brianjohnson9222
@brianjohnson9222 2 жыл бұрын
I have been driving for about 40 years. I am embarrassed to confess that I learn how to be a better driver everytime I watch one of Mr Neal's videos. Who would have thought I would learn how to be safer on roundabouts! Thank you so much.
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
The 3 things I was taught were that you never stop learning how to drive, to expect that everyone else will try to crash into you and that you should never attempt to police the roads. These rules keep you calm behind the wheel and its worked nicely for me for 32 years.
@TheRip72
@TheRip72 2 жыл бұрын
There are lots of drivers who clearly let their standards slide after getting their licence. You should take pride in striving to continually better yourself, not feel embarrassed about it.
@MartinParnham
@MartinParnham 2 жыл бұрын
Well, that told me! I have always thought it safer to go into lane 2, mainly so as not to look like I'm cutting somebody up who might want to exit. I completely get what you're saying here and I will be using the slide across going forward!
@DeadpanCrypto
@DeadpanCrypto 2 жыл бұрын
Which is correct, but I feel the one thing Ashley should have said ... though I suppose the reason not to is it should be common sense ... is that slide into lane 1/left side if safe to do so. You don't have the right of way to do that manoeuvre if someone is in lane 1 - as a motorcyclist the amount of time I'm taking the left turn from my entry point lane is clear and then a car just exits into the lane I am in without even looking.
@jamiemorris7688
@jamiemorris7688 2 жыл бұрын
It is safer to exit into lane 2. Unless you are looking over your shoulder and checking your blind spot before moving you're creating a danger to motorcyclists.
@aNiTF3
@aNiTF3 2 жыл бұрын
@@DeadpanCrypto as a driver it should be obvious you are overtaking motorcycle on roundabout therfore not dangerous, using second exit is much more dangerous as often cars from lane 1 won't exit where they should and you will eventually end up in 2 don't go in 1 situation. So use lane one unless turning right.
@itsbilln2178
@itsbilln2178 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing to add my earlier two: 1. Being in the left lane when going straight ahead, and actually staying properly within the lane left and following the lane around the roundabout to the exit, seems to cause issues because cars looking to join ahead of you often interpret your positioning as meaning you will be existing left and not going straight. A contributing factor to this is almost certainly the fact that so many people don’t bother to indicate when the they do exit, so cars waiting to are increasingly not bothering to wait to see if an indicator ever appears. In summary - yes, doing what you say is the correct way, but in reality, is often in practical and perhaps more likely to end in a risky encounters or a collision due to the way so many other people now drive.
@rowgli
@rowgli 2 жыл бұрын
People have terrible habits at roundabouts these days. People pull out in front of me loads because I try to follow the correct path around and they assume I'm going to exit before them thanks to nobody indicating anymore.
@jhareng
@jhareng 2 жыл бұрын
Two wrongs dont make it right.
@aNiTF3
@aNiTF3 2 жыл бұрын
That's still not really your fault or problem if someone crashes into you when it's your right of way. Easy claim that
@1988dgs
@1988dgs 2 жыл бұрын
For my two pence (using a standard 4 entrance/exit roundabout) I will say if entry is on the right lane, I stay right on the roundabout and exit into the right lane (exit 3) . Leaving the left lane for anyone entering from junction one and going straight or junction two and turning left, then sort out road position after the junction. Using both lanes keeps maximum traffic flowing and they are designed as dual carriageways so I use both lanes. We get a few bottlenecks here when drivers from the right, chop across the exit and change back to the outside lane a few seconds after the roundabouts, backing traffic up into the villages because they can’t use the inside lane (the council is starting to put dual solid white lines on the roundabouts to maintain traffic flow but it’s a slow process) in fact in some countries it’s illegal to “chop the exit”
@TheRip72
@TheRip72 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same habit of favouring staying in lane as I exit. Something under-emphasised in the video was observation. It is clear from vehicle position that many simply slide left without looking & it is the lack of awareness which can be a potential hazard. Observation is also easier on a dual carriageway than a roundabout because traffic is approaching from less directions. although the other side is that any traffic is likely to be in your near side blind spot.
@ethelmini
@ethelmini 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRip72 I don't think there can be a generic answer. I like that he's thinking ahead, but you have to think more about immediate hazards & your nearside blind-spot is the biggest. I really can't think of any roundabouts that complex that don't have lane markings. I can only recall markings to stay in lane - perhaps there's a Google Earth challenge here???
@cs262
@cs262 2 жыл бұрын
I just passed my test last week and this was one topic that I was still quite unsure on and you've gone and made a video on it! Great stuff, really helpful as always
@margaretnicol3423
@margaretnicol3423 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! 🏆
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 2 жыл бұрын
Well done. You'll probably find that a high proportion of drivers are entirely ignorant of the correct method, so always be aware of randomness.
@Batters56
@Batters56 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, I’d also recommend watching Ashley’s video on roundabout signs and to know which is the major road. It’s not always the one at 12 o’clock
@Seanmcdhuibhne
@Seanmcdhuibhne 2 жыл бұрын
Yes congratulations, but did you not think of asking that question to your instructor during all those hours of driving instructions?
@PedroConejo1939
@PedroConejo1939 2 жыл бұрын
@@Seanmcdhuibhne Not all instructors are as clued up as Ashley.
@robc5955
@robc5955 2 жыл бұрын
In my job I often find myself in places I’m not familiar with, yesterday I had to go to Norwich from the NE - roundabouts can be difficult where the markings for lanes are on the road and right at the junction, I try and use common sense etc but every now and then one catches you out the classic being left is only for going left and it is so useful when they also put a sign up indicating this as they seem to do on the approach to Norwich but not many other places, it can though catch you out and leave u having to make the left and then trying to find somewhere to turn around. Same can apply on right turns and often these are busy intersections and no one will allow for the ‘person who isn’t local’. Not really making a point but saying it can be confusing and allowance should be made.
@dbracer
@dbracer 2 жыл бұрын
I understand that staying in the second lane rather than sliding across to the left prior to exiting the roundabout is the correct option, but in practice it is common for someone who is entering the roundabout at the last entrance before your exit to coast onto the roundabout because they see you in the right lane before you start to move over. This creates a pinch effect even if they stop (usually with the driver's door in the firing line for a car taking the left lane!) and so I tend to assume that someone approaching at that last entrance will do this and not move out to the left. In other words, the situational use of the second lane exit occurs so often that it's essentially the default action. Maybe that's just the busy-ness of my local road network, though.
@jakerockznoodles
@jakerockznoodles 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, that's not something I've encountered on our busy roundabouts. Maybe it's just a case of regional areas creating their own "homebrew rules" for specific roundabouts (like one where I got told off for using the left lane for the second left exit because there was a left arrow, despite signage and floor markings indicating that I was using the appropriate lane 😂). Frankly, you should never assume that a driver in the right lane on a roundabout isn't going to use the exit just past the one you're emerging from. That might be an assumption a lot of local drivers make, forcing everyone else to have to get out of their way, but that's not how to emerge onto a roundabout. I unfortunately speak as someone who learned this the hard way, and got a very disappointed look from my ex-instructor when we'd chatted about it 😛.
@dave8535
@dave8535 2 жыл бұрын
Then frankly, the emerging vehicle is 100% in the wrong. They're failing to give way to traffic that's already on the roundabout. If u emerge on a car turning right on a roundabout and put urself along side it on the inside just as it's about to exit then you're a massive idiot imo.
@edd6820
@edd6820 2 жыл бұрын
@@dave8535 It's not quite that they're failing to give way, it's more that they judged the gap with the assumption that the driver in lane 2, will exit the roundabout in lane 2, when driver in lane 2 then decides to jump to lane 1, margins end up a lot closer than you'd like, this admittedly happens to me quite often(me being the car emerging), can be made worse when you're trying to go for a relatively small gap and the car exiting has not indicated. Ultimately my fault and I'll need to consciously account for this possibility but I do find exiting onto the same lane you're on far more intuitive for everybody.
@dave8535
@dave8535 2 жыл бұрын
@@edd6820 but that's a similar mindset to emerging from a slip road or pulling out onto a dual carriageway from a layby. If another car moves over a lane to let u out, you still need to be mindful of wat's already on the road and fit urself in around them. On a roundabout, u SHOULD and MUST expect a car already on the roundabout to take any exit. And u need to fit urself in around that. Otherwise, it's entirely on u honestly if u impatiently emerge and the then get "cut up". Should've waited for a bigger gap when u wouldn't come into conflict with traffic already on the roundabout. That's just how I see and approach it anyway. ppl may beg to differ.
@dbracer
@dbracer 2 жыл бұрын
@@dave8535 Yes, they're in the wrong, but I'd rather anticipate this action on their part than have to exchange insurance details. Although I drive a BMW, I do signal correctly on roundabouts, but the signal to exit happens before you move to the left, and only after you're past the previous exit. There's not much time for a driver entering to read your intent unless the roundabout is large.
@swolemoth
@swolemoth 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip at the start. I managed to pick up a licence without knowing you could use the right lane to go straight on. My otherwise brilliant instructor never said anything about it and never asked me to do it, so I just didn't know!
@rohant
@rohant 2 жыл бұрын
Oh this was fantastic. You explained it so simply. Even my own driving instructor couldn't properly explain the whole 'exit into lane two' situation. I even showed him a few crash videos to see what had gone wrong. Most of the videos were of cars in the left most lane in the round about and continuing their journey around, while the second car was exiting onto lane two. But now I think I know which drivers were technically wrong, and which drivers have unnecessary created a dangerous situation, although not wrong.
@oliverwhittington6434
@oliverwhittington6434 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, very early after passing I got a scary brake check after exiting into lane 1. Glad to know I was correct
@mastergx1
@mastergx1 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned that bit at the end. Its amazing how many people don't realise that when entering a roundabout - you MUST give way to ALL traffic already on the roundabout, regardless of what lane they are in or what exit they are taking. I've been cut up by so many people when turning right at a roundabout that think thier lane is clear when in fact - thats where i'm going.
@captango
@captango 2 жыл бұрын
I belive a lot of problems on roundabouts and junctions is down to poor lay out and road markings and don't forget the amount of signs they always seem to put everywhere.
@uavr1286
@uavr1286 2 жыл бұрын
The picture that accompanies rule 135 in the highway code suggests when turning right you can exit into either left lane or right lane. However it doesn't rearly show sliding across to outer lane of roundabout after passing the preceeding exit, it's more like going straight from inside lane of roundabout to left lane of exit.
@johnleight9010
@johnleight9010 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant ashley very well explained. i had an accident on the fiveways roundabout coming from childwall to old swan. i was in the outside lane going straight over the guy in lane one continued to go around to the right taking my wing and door out my and his insurance company wanted me to admit 50/50 and lose my no claims. I refused and wanted to go to court his insurance eventually paid for the repairs.
@roopsingh3840
@roopsingh3840 2 жыл бұрын
A must watch for All, great comments on the Risk creator's dangerous driving. 👍🏼
@PeskyBadger92
@PeskyBadger92 2 жыл бұрын
Exact video I needed, I always worry about cars turning left and speeding into me as I merge into the left lane but just need to check the mirrors!
@cactusbase3088
@cactusbase3088 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your advice on sliding over to the left lane on exiting from a right turn. However you have to be be wary nowadays of all the id!ots deliberately trying to undertake you just so they are ahead. You need eyes in the back of your head and everywhere on large fast flowing roundabouts. I feel they are becoming one of the most dangerous aspects of driving today (after narrow bendy country roads). It doesn't have to be this way if the vast majority of drivers had the right defensive attitude to driving. I hope your channel goes a long way to educate the id!ots out there but I doubt they would want educating.
@ScotlandwithFraser
@ScotlandwithFraser 2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how many people fly onto roundabouts far too fast, often in an unneccessary attempt to 'beat' someone. If you're attempting to join a multi entrance/exit roundabout from a 'quieter road' it can often be a nightmare trying to filter in. Whereas of everyone actually slowed down a little and kept their safe distances things would flow an awful lot better.
@nadim2769
@nadim2769 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScotlandwithFraser Redbridge lane east joining onto Redbridge roundabout is a very difficult roundabout to join. I'm used to it now but it can be extremely hard especially with londons rush hour
@caterthun4853
@caterthun4853 2 жыл бұрын
Agree I have experience of people under passing at roundabout when you are signaling to come off. They should stay back but few times had scare as a car suddenly appearing on left
@johnbower7452
@johnbower7452 2 жыл бұрын
@@nadim2769 We seem to have a lot of idiots in our area (Ilford, Barking, Dagenham) that can't read the lane markings either. I followed them the other day and some dopey Audi driver moved over into my lane and then had the audacity to shake her head at me. That was on Lodge Avenue Roundabout; I'd joined (like her) from Ripple road, she in the left lane to go right and me in the right lane to go right (Onto the Westbound A13).
@nadim2769
@nadim2769 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnbower7452 I'm used to it I deliver parcels from the barking depot in amazon and know that junction very well. In fact I remember my driving test route and clearly remember that roundabout on my test haha. You really do need eyes all around and be aware, best to be safe than sorry. I just accept it and move on, usually they're dopey drivers that do this sort of things and if you know how to make good progress you end up well ahead of them anyways
@jammmmmmieblak
@jammmmmmieblak 2 жыл бұрын
I tend to exit a roundabout in the lane I entered in, ie if I'm in lane 2, I'll exit in lane 2, mainly to simplify things, and leave everything in stages. My view is, don't do too many things in one go. I work in Milton Keynes, so do a lot of roundabouts every day, and with the traffic around, just simplifying each manoeuvre I feel makes everything that bit safer. Especially when I'm towing something (which is extremely often), the extra length which can't always be seen behind the tow vehicle, means even more caution must be taken when changing lanes.
@Ben31337l
@Ben31337l 2 жыл бұрын
I find that this approach is a whole lot easier, espechially given the fact that changing lanes requires an additional MSM before the pedestrian crossing.
@siras2
@siras2 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It depends on the circumstances, amount of traffic and the road layout, but changing lanes whilst still on a (two lane) roundabout should imho be kept to a minimum as it's an unnecessary manoeuvre and can lead to misunderstandings and accidents. Once clear of the roundabout check the inside lane is clear, indicate left and move to the left lane. Simple. I've never encountered a problem with this in all my 52 years of driving.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear 2 жыл бұрын
This is why the roads are full of incorrect and confusing behaviour. You apply your own interpretation so as to justify driving to a lower standard. You are often in the incorrect lane by your own admission, which is inconsiderate and annoying to others. Do you invent your own way of indication, so as to make your own life easier too? Why not just go to the trouble of doing it properly, as you did take the same driving test as the rest of us. Your current ‘Logic’ would see you fail.
@siras2
@siras2 2 жыл бұрын
@@DontPanicDear "You are often in the incorrect lane by your own admission". What!?. The example given in the video (of light traffic and nice clear roads) depicts an ideal scenario and hardly reflects the situation most drivers in the UK encounter nowadays - not helped by almost every roundabout being laid out to a different and often peculiar design. As said above, I've been driving for 52 years now - I hold an LGV (formerly HGV1) plus a PCV, Tracked Vehicle (AFV) and a Motorbike license. I'm also an Advanced Driver. I have driven professionally and for leisure in almost every European country and throughout the US and Canada. I never had an accident. I resent your suggestion that I (we) are "driving to a lower standard", simply by pointing out the drawbacks of lane changing whilst on a roundabout. I'm impressed to learn that you drive perfectly on every occasion yourself - it must be wonderful to always be 100% right about everything.
@Ben31337l
@Ben31337l 2 жыл бұрын
@@DontPanicDear Because if I did it properly, I might end up killing someone! The roundabout at the test centre had a much larger roundabout with slower speeds providing lots of time to move to the left prior to the exit that I need. Not to mention the markings themselves direct my lane of traffic into lane 2 of the exit. That, compared to some roundabouts with more than 4 exits at 90 degrees. These roundabouts are the ideal scenario.
@davyfong
@davyfong 2 жыл бұрын
I suggested my wife watch this vid, she's relatively inexperienced and not confident with roundabouts. This evening I was driving and intended to turn off a roundabout from lane 2 (middle lane), the car on the left of us was intent on going further around the roundabout, which ended up being a near miss for which I had to take evasive action and go all the way around again. We talked about what happened ... long story short, she pointed out that, although I intended to turn right later on, and the lane markings clearly allowed me to use the middle lane to exit there, by being in lane 2 I was increasing risk. She was 100% right. So thanks again for the great vids. They genuinely help people of all abilities and levels of experience improve their driving.
@barry-iv8ll
@barry-iv8ll 2 жыл бұрын
3:39 very good point, I was just about to write a comment saying you hadn't mentioned this point but then you did! The exact approach can very slightly depending on the subtle difference in geometry of the roundabout, but my preferred method if I'm taking lane 2 would be to aim to hit the the lane markings of the exit road about half and half, so I am straddling lanes, to make it clear to the HGV and to traffic behind that I am taking this exit. I know that the "inflexible IAM"-type driver would be shaking their head at such behavior, and there is of course some risk of a cars behind trying to pass you on either side but I keep my wits about me, and will modify my line accordingly. When the majority of drivers seem incapable of driving without crossing lane markings at roundabouts ( irrespective of the traffic conditions ), they are totally unprepared for somebody doing something which they rarely see people do, and sticking to "doing the right thing" can be a luxury you can't afford at times.
@jhareng
@jhareng 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on, dozens above wonder why theres someone already in the left lane.
@philnotley5138
@philnotley5138 2 жыл бұрын
On an advanced driving course the instructions mirror your advice the only addition for lane 2 exits being to pick off large or slow moving vehicles as you exit
@davidbryant326
@davidbryant326 2 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed at the number of people who signal incorrectly if at all. I see so many people not indicating and I think they're going straight on. They then swing round to the right and pass in front of me. I have to brake sharply. I then point to their indicator and mouth, "I don't think your indicators working." They're usually mouthing off at me as if I have done something wrong but if they had indicated I would never have started to pull out.
@DeeSock
@DeeSock 2 жыл бұрын
I have even seen this where they indicate right to do a 360 on a small roundabout but only when they started to turn right - not on approach to roundabout - so it appeared they were going straight on until the last second. To help traffic flow I used to enter roundabout when cars didn't indicate right on approach but now more often wait for them to indicate left especially dodgy/speeding cars, because people seem to give more reliable left indications at roundabouts than right indications
@funkycowie
@funkycowie 2 жыл бұрын
It's good to see you move over well before the exit, so many people cut across and indicate really late which is so very confusing.
@stonermountin4881
@stonermountin4881 2 ай бұрын
Had someone tell me can go into either, ofc said technically yes but should use left lane of not turning right soon after. He disaggred and just gave him this vid. Safe to say, he's now driver better now 😊
@ant647448336
@ant647448336 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I live in Gibraltar and drive in Spain a lot, drivers taking their test in Spain are taught to use the outside lane of a roundabout to do a 180 which has led to a few near misses.
@hughraynor8670
@hughraynor8670 2 жыл бұрын
As an aside to this, if I'm ever, ever unsure with a roundabout layout, I'll take the right most lane and circle around the roundabout however many times I need to make sure I understand the lay of the land. The right lane will never be wrong. Heck, sometimes if traffic is backing up a long way in a queue for the left lane, I'll use the right lane and go the long way around.
@kurtisowensmith3203
@kurtisowensmith3203 2 жыл бұрын
That roundabout in kirby by the footy place can get hectic at times but your defiantly right in what your saying
@andrewrodgers8052
@andrewrodgers8052 2 жыл бұрын
Well explained, at roundabout near where I live. I have seen countless people using left lane to go to 3rd exit all way around roundabout. I am in right lane, have to then check mirrors slow effectively both are going to same exit, I remedy it by staying in right lane go around again as no point having argument or accident.
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
Some people take massive offence at having to go around. Good work from yourself.
@iallso1
@iallso1 2 жыл бұрын
In New Zealand we should always exit into the right hand lane, if there are two, after turning right at a roundabout. It is one of the things I quickly had to adjust to after moving from the UK. Lane discipline at roundabouts is just about the only area I found Kiwi drivers to be better than their British counterparts. Another adjustment was there you have traffic from opposing directions turning into two lanes, where you both choose the lane closest to you, this way both vehicles can make the turn at the same time. Once your are in the lane you can then move over as required. The exception to this is vehicles over 6m in length which may need to swing out into the second lane.
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
I drove around NZ for 3 months, as a tourist but thankfully outside of tourist season, during a winter. What I found amazing was the addiction to burnouts and tracked a past burnout that went on for approx 2km. Also because I was nearly the only tourist on the road, every settlement I went through a cop would pull out behind me and I always did the speed zone changes precisely. They must of been feeling lonely and also bored senseless of my driving, as I never got pulled once. A very beautiful country and I'm glad I witnessed it when every road and campsite were empty.
@radishpea6615
@radishpea6615 2 жыл бұрын
3:49, if you had moved to lane one as you exited the Mini driver may have considered that you were cutting them up. At some roundabouts the outside 2 lanes on the approach to roundabout both go right. Also have to consider the filter lane that could be lane 1 from the entrance before the exit you take.
@jhareng
@jhareng 2 жыл бұрын
Its called being aware of your surroundings, sadly lacking last couple of decades. Secondly unless the Mini came from another different exit in the left lane and held back or Mini already got over meaning logically most that exit in 2nd lane already have left it too late due to lack of awareness or being self righteous.
@stephencope7178
@stephencope7178 Жыл бұрын
Close to where I live, is a roundabout with five exits and three have pedestrian traffic lights close to their exits. What happens sometimes is the pedestrian crossing lights change to red to allow people to cross. This can leave you high and dry on the island with traffic coming from the left that wishes to go straight on, or take another exit to the right. There's a lot of congestion during busy periods and I can be prevented from taking the exit that I need. To make matters worse sometimes, there's traffic in the left lane that should have existed to the left and is in the wrong lane for turning right. . .some advice needed Ashley!! I have the co ordinates if anyone is interested.
@grahamnutt8958
@grahamnutt8958 2 жыл бұрын
Subject to the road markings and taking a 4 junction roundabout as the example...... When turning right I would try to position myself into the left hand lane at the earliest opportunity - if safe to do so...... This helps to negate the risk of a vehicle joining at exit two that in all probability could attempt to go straight on... this would mean a crossover *for want of a better way to put it* resulting in a likely crash which, if positioned in the left hand lane, is negated. Hope that makes sense 🤔. Stay safe everyone 👍.
@COLLECTORSCORNER1979ANT
@COLLECTORSCORNER1979ANT 2 жыл бұрын
Really does Depend on the whole roundabout setup.i always try and use correct lane I need to be in,but if there is a 2nd right lane available,I do try to use it,to allow other drivers to exit from the roundabout much sooner than they ordinarily would have done,thinking of road sense & eticate.also thinking about roads running smoother for everyone. Not many people use the way I think when I drive.which is a real shame and why I very strongly think road sense needs to be taught within the driving test & theory test. The amount of thumbs up I've had from motorbikes on the road cos of the way I drive is quite unbelievable. I've also saved many crashes from happening due to my quick thinking and road planning.Always looking as far ahead as I can so I know exactly what to expect.i also saved a lorry driver from rear ending an elderly driver on a higher speed road, flashing lots to let the lorry driver out,making him fully aware I've seen exactly what he's coming up against,that would have been a fatal accident for the elderly couple that's for sure. The driving standards thesedays is totally appalling. :-(
@drozycoder2007
@drozycoder2007 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Ashley. Such an informative video. Amazing that it's also filmed on a roundabout I use on my daily commute!
@danpreston564
@danpreston564 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Milton Keynes we have many, many multi-lane roundabouts. Lots of them have very clear markings to take you round in the correct lane, but at rush hour it’s not uncommon for people to exit into the second lane so people can come out when turning left and use the left hand lane. Personally I’ll always slide across when I can. The problem we have in MK is the speed people go around roundabouts. Everyone is so used to them that cars are often doing 50 to 60 around the biggest ones, which is just mental.
@shm5547
@shm5547 2 жыл бұрын
You may not know in advance how many lanes are on the exit, so standard practice is to move over to the left. Nobody should be overtaking/undertaking on a roundabout anyway.
@OFFtheCHIZANE
@OFFtheCHIZANE 2 жыл бұрын
Fully agree, this is my understanding too. Tho not uncommonly when I am going round the roundabout in lane 2, some plum will take that as a cue to emerge onto the roundabout in lane 1 at my back near side, presumably wanting to pounce past on the left when we both exit. Sometimes this means I have to make my exit in lane 2, because it’s not safe to make the slide across on the roundabout. But I guess it just means I have to fix it by making my intention clear, and moving back left when safe to do so.
@lizardfuel9
@lizardfuel9 2 жыл бұрын
2 lanes with no road markings and I'm going straight on into a single track road. Either lane is fine. I learnt something new today, thanks.
@chrisjeanneret5091
@chrisjeanneret5091 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Roundabouts are fairly rare here in Canada. I should try watching your video in a mirror to cope with driving on the right (wrong?) side!! More seriously, in my home town there are some small roundabouts near where I grew up (put in years after I moved away), but they are single lane so no lane choosing required. There are a few large roundabouts nearer to where I now live, and lane changes are always a bit tricky especially as people just aren't as familiar.
@grumpygramps1451
@grumpygramps1451 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you posted this, going to show this to the wife to give her piece of mind. My wife (and granddaughter onboard) was purposely followed all the way home by a lunatic driver who aggressively berated her at great length for not exiting the roundabout directly into lane 2. It seriously shook her confidence at the time as she genuinely feared for her safety.
@RichO1701e
@RichO1701e 2 жыл бұрын
*peace of mind
@ScotlandwithFraser
@ScotlandwithFraser 2 жыл бұрын
As always a really good video Ashley. I particularly like the simplicity of the left lane can't go beyond straight on/12 o'clock. A comment somewhere above mentions how often they see driver's going straight ahead indiating right and I must admit I see this a lot too. Assume they're trying to be helpful to anyone attempting to come out the 1st exit but on the otherhand confusing for those trying to come out the 2nd exit! One thing I see often (and I must admit gets my blood pressure rising!) is how often people who are turning right beyond 12 o'clock at a roundabout don't put a signal on to say so, yet then indicate when they come off (call it 3 o'clock?). This is infuriating if you're trying to exit the 12 o'clock junction as they're crossing the line of traffic coming the opposite way but not giving any indication they're doing so, which to me is pretty dangerous! If any viewers use the roundabout outside ASDA Linwood travelling from the A737 towards Paisley or Elderslie, you'll know it's horrendous for this! If possible could you maybe do a follow up video on how and where to indicate properly at roundabouts? Cheers!
@stewartsherwood7769
@stewartsherwood7769 2 жыл бұрын
I've always looked at it as I'm either turning left (next exit) going straight (2nd exit) or turning right (3rd+ exit) for indicating. So if I was initially going for the 2nd exit I wouldn't indicate until I'm passing the 1st, then I'd indicate left.
@r390gt1lm
@r390gt1lm 2 жыл бұрын
I always use middle lane of the roundabout to exit into lane 2 when leaving roundabout on exit 4, because lane 1 on the roundabout and on the exit road is for people turning left from exit 3 to exit 4
@Shumayal
@Shumayal 2 жыл бұрын
It is more accommodating. It allowed both you and the mini to exit at the same time. (More volume of traffic can pass through the roundabout, more efficient if the rule discourages changing lanes inside roundabout when number of lanes on entry, inside the roundabout and on exit is the same as 3=3=3 or more lanes.
@SolPhantasmagoria
@SolPhantasmagoria 2 жыл бұрын
_I was taught that you should exit in the lane you entered in whenever possible, for example, on those roundabouts, you are allowing an improved flow of traffic so a car making a left turn into your exit, can do so, as your path never crosses. Then you can return to the left lane afterwards if reasonable to do so?_
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 2 жыл бұрын
I did exactly what you recommend in this video the other day, but a car waiting to turn onto the roundabout from the entrance to the roundabout just prior to my exit (the roads onto the roundabout are quite closely spaced) started to pull onto the roundabout right ahead of me, as he assumed that I would be turning into the right hand lane rather than moving over to use the left lane, as you recommend. So you just can't win whatever you do!
@speedydiesel6076
@speedydiesel6076 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed Big problem on the Lincoln bypass - if u enter in 2 and exit in 2 they believe you have created a filter lane for them and traffic in the RoB doesn’t matter
@itsbilln2178
@itsbilln2178 2 жыл бұрын
Two things: 1. I find you sometimes get aggressively driven cars joining the roundabout from the road before the one you want to take who then catch up to you and be almost alongside at the point you would be sliding across - so find it safer to stay in lane 2 until after the exit. 2. Quite a few roundabouts seem to have straight arrows on 2 or more lanes on the approach, where the straight is actually not straight but is in fact right. Presumably it’s designated as straight because it’s the primary route, but it’s just illogical and causes no end of confusion.
@Strider9655
@Strider9655 2 жыл бұрын
IMO exiting in lane 2 tends to piss off other drivers as they think you're being just being obstructive.
@hadorstapa
@hadorstapa 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the link to it, but I don’t have it handy: I saw a video a couple of years ago which was intended as a driving instructional video for drivers in the USA learning how to use roundabouts, because roundabouts are really only recently arriving there. The one thing that really struck me as odd was the instruction that you should exit in the same lane you entered the roundabout. So if you entered right, stay right; if you enter centre, stay centre; and if you enter left, stay left. Very different attitude and approach. I assume it’s because the video creators (it was an official local govt video) thought driving roundabouts would be tough enough without introducing the concept of sliding outwards as you pass exits.
@andrewbooth7352
@andrewbooth7352 2 жыл бұрын
We have a notorious roundabout in Birchwood on Birchwood Way that has two lanes for turning right. The problem is that despite having markings on the road and clear signage explaining this, people still exit into lane one after using lane two when approaching and negotiating the roundabout resulting in often cutting up another driver unintentionally. Better education is essential under these circumstances and thankfully, we have people like Ashley trying to educate without passing judgement. Keep up the great work Ashley. If I get chance, I'll do my own video of the area in question. I might even do a few videos of the most notorious areas I come across.........
@SabotsLibres
@SabotsLibres 2 жыл бұрын
"in this left lane, I can't go further round..." I totally agree, Ashley. Here in France, (think mirror image for a moment) about 75% of motorists indicate left whether actually turning left or just going straight on; 20% don't bother to indicate whatsoever; and of the 75% that indicate left, a good 50% that actually are turning left, approach in the right hand lane and stay there!!!
@sebmay4361
@sebmay4361 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very informative. The problem I experience on a busy roundabout near me is that cars emerge quickly from the left road if you’re turning right and can often end up in blind spot or even undertaking as I try to move over after 2nd exit. I suppose we just have to be ready to adapt in these circumstances.
@joelholmes9497
@joelholmes9497 Жыл бұрын
Bit late to this, but this was mega helpful thank you! On my new work commute there's a small roundabout where I have to turn right but exit onto the left lane of two because of an immediate left turn. Would be very difficult in traffic to exit onto the right-hand lane and *then* indicate to change over after the roundabout, so I just needed to check how to do the 'slide' safely and clearly. Thanks!
@stuartnelson1313
@stuartnelson1313 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly how I show pupils.👍🏻 I would add that a lot of exits on two-lane/spiral roundabouts have a “merge in turn” so unless your making progress it’s a little pointless to use the right to exit.
@dacongman
@dacongman 2 жыл бұрын
There's a roundabout near to where I live which has five entrances/exits. If you approach from one particular direction, there is a three lane entry then, in order, three single lane exits then a double lane exit (which merges into one after the exit). It's one I always approach with caution as everyone seems to have a different idea of which lane you should be in, except for the first exit.
@st1nk1n
@st1nk1n 2 жыл бұрын
Problems from both options. Drivers are so impatient that when I'm turning right on a roundabout drivers from the exits before, start coming out. You need amazing observation skills to make sure you don't then cut them up as you change to the left lane on the roundabout. Also if you do continue onto the right land after turning right at a roundabout, where I live ppl just plant the foot and fly past, undertaking. So I rather stay in lane 2 and move over when I can see it's safe after the roundabout. The tips in the video are fine when you have the road to yourself or everyone plays nicely. But it's always busy, everyone undertakes. And no one even bothers to indicate any more so it becomes very difficult.
@DaveP668
@DaveP668 2 жыл бұрын
Like all driving there are no strict rules for every situation. Road markings, local knowledge, custom and practice can all mean any strict rule goes out of the window. I know of one roundabout in Leeds (Lawswood for anyone who knows it) on a test route and on test if you are turning right from Otley direction towards Horsforth and move across the roundabout to exit on the inside lane you will very likely collect a serious fault. Its a very wide roundabout with lots happening and one where speed can be gained, so sliding across isn't wise. The road markings are very faded, but it looks like this is how it was marked at one time. Reason being the ring road traffic is doing 70mph on approach and despite the 40 limit just before the roundabout, some traffic does still enter at very high speed so you can cut up vehicles potentially travelling at lethal speeds. It also has a very wide lane for cars turning left from Headingley which enters into the left lane of the exit and not the roundabout and you end up cutting across that traffic too. Trying to observe all angles whilst turning right isn't easy so right lane in, right lane out is far safer. Moving back into the inside lane after the exit really isn't the problem this video makes it out to be. If someone has left the roundabout quickly and come up the inside you just let them pass and move back when it is safe. The situation will be improved in a couple of years as it will be traffic light controlled. It will then be down to high the road is remarked.
@grahambonner508
@grahambonner508 2 жыл бұрын
Roundabouts have to be the most common junctions for minor knocks. Always be prepared for people who are unfamiliar with the area, out of position, hesitant or not indicating correctly and don't rush past on either side. So many do, KZbin is full of many examples of this ending badly, care and patience is key.
@RichO1701e
@RichO1701e 2 жыл бұрын
oooh...a rare video where I disagree with you Ash. (the following is based on umarked/not designated specific lanes on a given RB) On a 2 lane RB, with 2 lane exit carriageways, I almost always exit in lane 2, for 2 main reasons. 1, it allows any vehicles waiting to enter the RB and exit at the same exit you are exiting from to proceed, thus improving their traffic flow. I've literally been turning right onto the A1(m) from the A69, near Newcastle and my front seat passenger, who is a retired grade 6 instructor and agrees with your view, warned me that the car at the Give Way, was pulling out in front of me, my response was it's fine bcos I was intending to exit into lane 2 anyway, so problem. They were in a Left Only lane, so no worry about them going straight ahead in front of me. So IMHO, it actually helps with poor emerges anyway, you might have the view it encourages late/bad emerges. 2, with so many people using RB's to undertake, or sit alongside you, to your left, it's way easier to exit in lane 2 and then move back into lane 1 once you're on the straight bit. Stick a left indicator on, tell them what you intend to do, and accommodate each other. The only times I'll slide across midway round is when I know it's clear and there's nobody waiting to enter at the next give way entrance. But heyho, that's just my notsohumbleopinion
@keithbutler1009
@keithbutler1009 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ashley , thank god someone who thinks as I do on roundabout s. My trick is to get my victims to stop turning right as they point at the exit before the one they’re taking , and the car just takes a wider line into the left lane. This stops Norman the nutter trying to pass you as he came out of the first exit too quick. Also I don’t use inside and outside lanes on roundabout s left centre right is lees confusing. On motorway the left is inside etcetc. Thanks for your great videos Ashley keep well.
@abt833
@abt833 3 ай бұрын
I think on a multi lane roundabout with multi lane entrance and exit you should keep to the same lane on joining and exiting. If you want to change lane do it within the roundabout, not at the junction. I have seen people join and exit across lanes, and those people sometimes have no awareness of anything around them. So they risk an accident. Wait till you have a stable view of your surroundings before switching.
@stephennield29
@stephennield29 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, as always. Thank you. One area that annoys me is dealing with traffic lighted roundabouts! Could you please tackle this one! Having to stop part way round can make it difficult to move to the exit lane! (I don't mean spiral roundabouts). Cheers.
@gavjlewis
@gavjlewis 2 жыл бұрын
Smaller two lane roundabouts I usually stay in lane. As sliding across essentially turns the roundabout into a single lane roundabout so decreasing traffic flow and increasing risk. On larger elongated roundabouts (usually above motorways) I slide across as you have more time and better vision so reduced risk. Many people do neither and these are the problem. They stay right and then cut to the left as the last second. So neither staying in lane or sliding. This is why when people ask me I advise to stay in lane. The examples in the video are quite large roundabouts that are not busy. These are not typical of roundabouts near me. They are generally smaller and busier. In the mini example both lanes of the roundabout are being used. If you slide across you are only using one lane and decreasing traffic flow. The mini was keeping a bit of space because they are anticipating people to chop across. If people were taught to stay in lane then they wouldn't need to hold back just in case and could utilise all the road space reducing both congestion and emissions.
@Andy1119
@Andy1119 2 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on the roundabout. Some expect you to stay in your lane
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 жыл бұрын
and while UK law does permit exiting from the right lane of a roundabout to the left lane of the exit, doing it in heavy traffic is still a jerk move if someone is trying to exit from the left lane of the roundabout to the left lane of the exit at the same time.
@Dr3Mc3Ninja
@Dr3Mc3Ninja 2 жыл бұрын
I maintain a staggered formation so I pretty much always slide across to the left when exiting. Trying to merge left is a nightmare because everyone tailgates. I will happily sit in the left lane, be stuck behind someone doing 40mph on a 60mph, than overtake and never be permitted to return to the left lane in time for my exit. I also hang back and let multiple cars merge in, because I'm not an awful person. The one time I was exiting with a car to my right, also exiting, a pedestrian was walking round the bend of the roundabout, forcing me to swerve right, towards the car beside me. It was 9pm in Autumn, so it dark, damp and he had no reflective gear. I was absolutely enraged at the stupidity to walk on the road, of a roundabout exit that has trees and bushes concealing the entirety of the exit from my angle.
@FoxyPKO
@FoxyPKO 2 жыл бұрын
In Chester there is a horrible roundabout with 5 exits with the A540, A5480 and a local road towards Blacon. If you are coming on the A540 (Parkgate Road) from the city center and want to continue on the A540 it is 3rd exit and the exit is at approximately 1 O'clock. There are 2 lanes entering and the roundabout sign shows the A540 exit towards Hoylake as a straight ahead. I have seen numerous people using both the left and right lanes to take this 3rd exit which then causes issues as there is only one exit lane. In the scenario which lane should you be using to take 3rd exit (1 O'clock), Straight on? (This is near to Chester University, Blacon Creamatorium and the Countess of Chester counrty park) Thankyou for the help
@DeeSock
@DeeSock 2 жыл бұрын
You can use either lane. If using right lane and there is a risk of conflict because of bad undertakers then you can do a 360 around the roundabout. I will reply with a video explaining this
@chrisw880
@chrisw880 2 жыл бұрын
I use on a daily basis the roundabout at J4, M65. I have seen numerous times plenty of drivers going from the left hand (coming WB from Preston) and cut straight into the 1st lane to head into the service station or A666/Darwen (this goes against the road markings and plenty of close shaves/collisions. The road markings are quite clear and yet the number of drivers making the mistakes no longer surprises me (I do also see the same drivers some mornings making the same mistake several times). The road markings coming from Preston are: Right lane: Lower Darwen (1st exit), service station (3rd exit), A666/Darwen (4th exit) Left lane: A666/Blackburn (4th exit)
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
Exiting from northbound M6 J29 to turn towards Blackburn joining M65 J1 is a an exercise in insanity. I always find that a joy to experience, especially when its busy.
@jaytaylor9232
@jaytaylor9232 2 жыл бұрын
The issue with taking lane 1 on exit from a right turn on a two lane roundabout - To explain this lets assume a four leg roundabout, each leg has an entry and exit which are two lanes and unmarked. From the perspective of a vehicle turning right and entering the roundabout correctly from the right hand lane of its entry leg, lets call this Leg 1, Leg 2 would therefore be the left turn, Leg 3 for straight through and Leg 4 for the right turn, with respect to the vehicle in question. As the right turning vehicle passes Leg 2 and on the inside lane of the roundabout for correct position, another vehicle enters the roundabout from Leg 2 (left entry lane) intending to travel straight through thus exiting on Leg 4, the same exit leg as the right turning vehicle. If the right turning vehicle does not take exit lane 2 of Leg 4, it will encroach on the vehicle passing straight through from Leg 2. In effect the right turning vehicle will cut off a vehicle passing straight through on exit - hence awful lane discipline and bad advice from Ashley.
@romac4533
@romac4533 2 жыл бұрын
Also if you take the 3rd exit in the right lane and stop on the inside of the round about it can cause an issue with some one coming on at the second exit. The person entering the round about at the second exit could be in the left lane to go straight on, past your exit. I get this alot on a roundabout near me were if you don't drift to the outside of the roundabout after exit 2 people will just join and assume you're going on a later exit and join the roundabout on your outside
@TheGazzadj
@TheGazzadj 2 жыл бұрын
I got a minor for my bike test even though I knew, as I was told that I was to turn right at the first roundabout and right at the second, so therefore I opted to keep to the right lane as I knew my next manoeuvre would be a right at the roundabout, although he did accept why I had chosen to select the right hand lane which was about 500 yards to the junction of the 2nd roundabout.
@munnsey
@munnsey 2 жыл бұрын
Either lane on approach when going straight ahead is suited when there is 2 lanes on approach as well as 2 lanes after the exit, such as a dual carriageway. I would not advise going straight ahead using the right lane if the exit road was a single carriageway.
@c7uk
@c7uk 2 жыл бұрын
Worth noting also, that although cars are not allowed to pass an exit in the left lane, both cyclists and motorcycles _are_ permitted to do so. Therefore, if exiting in a car from lane 2, you run the added risk of cutting up someone on 2 wheels
@snowleopard9749
@snowleopard9749 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia there are always arrows on multi-lane roundabouts that show which lanes can go where.
@LittleRedKuma
@LittleRedKuma 2 жыл бұрын
I always try to exit in the left lane just in case someone in the left lane decides to keep going around and potentially cause an accident
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
That's precisely why I use the first lane first exit rule myself but always expect others in the first lane to cut in front of me.
@hoody5906
@hoody5906 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. If you don't slide left you are inviting people from the left to go straight across when you cut across them. Two cars, one lane don't fit.
@initialyze
@initialyze 2 жыл бұрын
Keep videos like this coming. Too many people seem to struggle with roundabouts. Unfortunately, the ones who generally do it wrong probably don't subscribe to your channel because they think they have nothing to learn anyway 🤔
@andrewandlm
@andrewandlm 2 жыл бұрын
Really like your vids. Can you do a vid on how to stay calm when driving ?
@fontybits
@fontybits 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tuition video for roundabout procedure. One question: On entering a roundabout with 6 EXITS, (with the 3rd exit being needed) what indication should be used & when? STANECASTLE roundabout, Irvine.
@micheals1992
@micheals1992 2 жыл бұрын
There's a 3 lane roundabout near me and I do sometimes exit in lane two if it's busy and hard to judge what other vehicles are doing in the furthest lane to the left. Usually it's quiet enough to get into the left lane so it's rarely an issue.
@ravensthorne4631
@ravensthorne4631 2 жыл бұрын
What amazes me is how many drivers are intolerant of other motorists who move across the lanes on bigger roundabouts - within reason, of course. I don't mean suddenly cutting across 3 lanes. There a few KZbin channels with dashcam videos, and so often the cammer themselves is surprised and angry that another driver had the temerity to want to exit the roundabout.
@paulfaulkner6299
@paulfaulkner6299 2 жыл бұрын
The old roundabout arguments. I'd like to add when going straight across at a 4 way aroundabout (ie a 2 road crosroads where the 4th exit would be back the way you came) to exit 2, I always indicate RIGHT until I have passed exit 1 then indicate LEFT (whilst observing, naturally) no matter which lane I've selected (as per the points raised in this video). Some people have said "Don't indicate right as it confuses people." But I have always countered this by stating that my RIGHT signal as I pass each exit that I don't want means _I am STAYING ON the roundabout_ before I indicate left to inform other road users that I intend to exit at the next exit. So my question - where "in my head" I want to go straight over (because you don't know as you can't read my mind), is my RIGHT hand indicator flicking away telling you _I AM _*_NOT_*_ LEAVING AT THIS NEXT EXIT_ or are you confused and angry when I finally switch the thing off, puutting the left one on the moment I pass the final exit I didn't want?? And if so, why? _Honestly, I'd have thought it's better I tell you what I hope to do rather than leave you guessing by not indicating at all until I do want the next exit -the heated discussions I have had...._
@A.G.T.A.G.
@A.G.T.A.G. 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine me approaching behind 'you in lane one' but 'me in lane two' to continue straight ahead as you are. You are slightly ahead of me and from lane one put your right indicator on. I have to then prepare to give way to you because I believe you are going to continue round the roundabout to turn right in across my path. Now imagine I'm approaching the roundabout from the opposite direction, going straight ahead as you are but to where you came from. If you are indicating right on entering the roundabout from whichever lane, I'm going to have to give way to you as I think you're turning right. It's extremely frustrating to find that once I've stopped, you then indicate to exit before my entrance. This is one of my pet hates, I'm afraid.
@DeeSock
@DeeSock 2 жыл бұрын
Paul, you have just answered what lots other commenters are asking how you think. Your thinking is not the generally agreed Highway Code rules though for reasons Zak points out! And if you are not indicating left then people entering roundabout should not assume you are taking next left anyway! Though I agree with you there are some benefits to your way of thinking and it would be interesting if it was made into a rule to see if traffic flow and safety would improve though I doubt overall the effect would be better for everyone!
@_Steven_S
@_Steven_S 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this doesn't confuse the people who already can't roundabout. Those who enter in lane 2, continue straight 2nd exit - continuation of 2 lane dual carriageway - and exit in to lane 1. Usually narrowly missing the vehicle in lane 1 they've been travelling along with for many tens of meters prior to the roundabout interruption 🤷
@TheGuinnesstaster
@TheGuinnesstaster 2 жыл бұрын
The in a roundabout at seaforth docks that am not sure about. If your coming from Bootal going onto the carriageway do you go in the left or right lane because it’s at a funny angle where’s it’s halfway between going straight on and turning right
@macaalf8219
@macaalf8219 2 жыл бұрын
There is a problem with not exiting from the left lane when another car enters the roundabout at the next entry point and wants to go straight, you will cross paths and there is a chance of hitting them on exiting. Also I would like to point out that rules are different in other countries! Here in spain most of the brits assume the rules are the same and exit from the inside lane, however the roundabout here is looked at as a "curved multiple lane one way street" and you are never supposed to exit from the inner lane! If there is an accident the driver of the vehicle exiting from there will be automatically at fault!
@nigelcoles1979
@nigelcoles1979 2 жыл бұрын
On large 3, 4 or more lane roundabouts I avoid overtaking and try not to have a vehicle either side of me in case I am in their blind spot and they decide to change lane and, possibly, sideswipe me.
@fromthegamethrone
@fromthegamethrone 2 жыл бұрын
Always taught to use the left lane if safe to do so, unless I know that after the island I need the right lane for another reason
@jackwatsonepic626
@jackwatsonepic626 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of people I have spotted putting their right-hand indicator on when they're turn left to exist a roundabout is unreal 😡
@MartinParnham
@MartinParnham 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen this a lot as well and it also amazes me!
@TheVicar
@TheVicar 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure that some people should just drive around with their hazard lights on to warn others.
@TheGazLab
@TheGazLab 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the vids, really informative... quick question, how do the new pedestrian crossing at junction's apply to roundabouts? Ive seen some strange behaviour that make me very nervous that absolutely no one has a clue out on the road including pedestrians.. Gaz
@BazColne
@BazColne 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful discussion.
@Frohicky1
@Frohicky1 Ай бұрын
2:26 also increases your view and straightens the bend
@markdurkowski6230
@markdurkowski6230 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation 👍
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