Which Pistol Red Dot Looks Best? and WHY?

[@johnphillips222]

The illustration at the 8 minute mark shows spectral luminosity; but that is not the concept that you were discussing. The video is good, and I appreciate the work and explanations. Chromatic aberration and the illustrations that show that concept fit the concept that you are attempting to describe. The OBAFGKM is a soectral classification scheme. This is also a check to see how functional the YT comments can be. Will helpful advice presented in a respectful and constructive manner get people dog piled on? The video and explanations on the technical aspects of reflex sights is productive and strongly needed. The opposite is derp. Videos like this that help explain reflex sights are what is needed. I respect that. Thank you.

[@zendell37]

I appreciated it. As someone who's lived with bad eyesight and corrective lenses my whole life it's hard to explain to people what happens when light passes through lenses. The weird one to tell people is when I look at a far off gas station price sign, which is usually green for diesel and red for gas and sometimes amber for something else. Looking straight in through the center of my glasses, everything lines up correctly. If I turn my head to the left, the green light shifts off the sign to the left and the red light shifts off the sign to the right, almost a 1 to 2 ratio respectively. At stop lights, I can turn my head and make the light appear as if it's floating in space, not connected to the light assembly at all. I don't think people really grasp that.

[@rob6850]

@@zendell37oh man you just described my exact experience (with my relatively thick eyeglasses), looking at a PetSmart sign in the parking lot after a range day. Tilted my head one way and the red word and blue word would shift together. Tilted my head the other way and the two words shifted away from each other. Dang I hate glasses.

[@Pantone268Plus]

@@zendell37 I believe that's parallax actually because the light is shifting in a different "plane", I too have this with my glasses. If you're talking about the chromatic aberration, that's usually also called "fringing" and is visible in the color distortion between high contrast objects - you can usually see this when you look through a scope that is dialed up in power and observe something black on white or white on black, usually there's a strange hue around the object.

[@zendell37]

Either way, it's become more of a problem since LEDs took over. The fact that they emit their specific frequency of light makes shifting more apparent versus older gelled or filtered lights from yesteryear(thinking of painted Christmas lights). I've always laughed to myself watching people talk about parallax on dot sights trying to explain that it doesn't seem bad on this or that when they don't have corrective lenses or bad eyesight.

[@nkfredrich95]

Different colors (wavelengths) of light have different focal points when converging on a receptor. Lens manufacturers usually combat that issue with apochromatic lens elements that have varying cross sections that correct for this tendency. I'd imagine that lenses correcting for astigmatism do something similar. I'm grateful for the information on spectral luminosity because that definitely answers some questions I've had for a long time. I hate the daylight balanced bulbs for nighttime use, except for specific tasks at really high intensity, as they seem unpleasantly harsh to me.

[@GeraldKimbrough-d1l]

As an astigmatic shooter this is the most comprehensive and informative review of astigmatism and red dots that I've been able to find. Your astigmatic experience and the scope of the review was incredibly helpful. It's difficult to be able to try before you buy, so I'd taken a chance on the green reticle version of the Holosun SCS . It's a great product and I liked the custom design for the MOS mount, but didn't care for the multi-reticle design and inability to manually adjust the brightness. It was just too bright which caused flaring on the image. After watching this video at least 3 times, I took a chance on the Holosun EPS Carry, and couldn't be happier. Based upon your experience with red versus green, I went with the red reticle. I received the EPS yesterday and mounted it on my G19 Gen 5. Using daylight setting 6, I finally have an actual round red dot and couldn't be happier. Thanks for your good work, and I'm off to the range today. My trusty Burris Fastfire 3, which is good, but not great, will now be saved as a backup, and I'm selling my SCS to a friend with better eyesight than me.

[@doc_johnholliday9642]

Agreed. Nobody has helped like this video. I always heard get green. I have a Romeo 7 and a Romeo zero that I see pretty clear in red. I also have a holosun 507c in green that is terrible for me. I think I’ll try out the cyelee optic. I’ve been seeing good things on them just wasn’t sure about the brand

[@Print2shoot]

I tried the eps carry in store the other day and was shocked at how much cleaner the dot was than my red 507c or green aems. I really want to stop buying holosun and own a cool dot w/ ultra clear glass, but I can’t. I have heard other good things about the cyclee, but I’m assuming it’s a Chinese brand. 5 months later, are you still liking the EPS? The footprint is perfect for a edc ccw, and as you said the dot appears much better than the competition. Tho I was only able to look through it in a store with artificial lighting.

[@Print2shoot]

@@doc_johnholliday9642did you ever buy the cyclee? I’m interested in trying it. I didn’t want another holosun but I’m considering eps carry as well. …I also wasted money on an aems in green due to people saying green was the way to go for astigmatism.

[@vahanyazarian5582]

thanks for info as I can.t really buy 2or 3 and try them!

[@Iron_Road]

2:12 Trijicon RMR 2:30 Trijicon SRO 2:43 Leupold Delta Point Pro 3:06 Holosun 407C 3:25 Holosun EPS 3:43 Holosun 507 Comp 4:02 Stiener MPS 4:21 C•More RTS 4:42 Cyle Cat Pro 5:05 Sig Romeo 1 5:21 Sig Romeo 2 5:40 Sig Romeo 3 Max 6:00 Romeo M17 6:31 Aimpoint Acro P2

[@clem95627]

@Iron_Road You're the real MVP. Thanks for the breakdown.

[@wisco_guy]

I was lucky enough to have found a competent optometrist over 25 years ago to diagnose my astigmatism. This allowed me to find proper corrective lenses and contacts, which made me a better shooter in the military and today. So many people go undiagnosed! Thanks for this video, David.

[@Johnsormani]

I never knew either until a few years ago . I thought everybody was seeing stars in their cmore 😹

[@skippy801]

Glad to see Cyelee on here. I got a few of their optics and I am really happy with the price vs value.

[@WellDressedCaveman]

I'm gonna give them a try.

[@philiptemi1246]

For me... even with eyeglasses with astigmatism, the RMR red dot is very fuzzy. But Holosun 507C Green is super crisp. But what surprised me the most is the Holosun/PrimaryArms 509 ACSS. The triangle reticle is super crisp.

[@thomascozart1095]

Me too

[@seanjarvis1316]

Interesting I also have astigmatism and I found green to be a worse color for a dot for me. They all look like stars with beams shooting in every direction but the red is more subtle than green for me. Although I've only looked through just one green one but have used numerous reds. You know of anything out there as far as dots go that are good for astigmatism? I've heard prisms are good but I just don't like the eye relief.

[@jamiemui5186]

As my eye pick up green super easy. I dont need to keep the brightness as high as a red dot to find it. So the 2moa green dot is clear compare to a 2moa red. At the brightness setting that i need to locate the red dot. It starburst. The level to find the green is at least 2 click lower. So it does not starburst.

[@3of11]

i dont like green, but yes the chevron is great. use as a giant 10-12 moa dot for hosing, then tip for zeroing or precise shots. I wish they would just put that chevron in an enclosed tube format for rifles (drop the ring and drop the "paralow" hold dots those are worthless to me).

[@YourDogsKitchenDOTcom]

Likewise....I get bi-lateral intra ocular injections monthly. Dots are a mess for me. The chevron from the 507C ACSS Vulcan is amazing. I wouldn't be shooting without it.

[@Jeff-mv4yy]

This is a job well done in showing that some dots can be better for people with astigmatism . You pretty much nail it at the end by encouraging people to look through friends optics or at the lgs before buying to see if one works better for them . Ranking them though might be misinterpreted by some . Everybody’s eyes are different and it is not likely people with different astigmatisms will conclude the same as you . Nonetheless, the video is s great demonstration to show that there is a difference . I hope your experience applies to a vast majority of people with astigmatism. It’s definitely a well thought out starting point . Thank you . Nice vid

[@markensons]

The most informative dot video hands down. Keeping it in laymen’s terms 🤜🏻🤛🏼 excellent job My Max and SRO work best for my particular eyesight.

[@stevie9361]

Good job on the video. This was exactly what I been looking for! I like to listen to your videos while at work. Sometimes I can't look at my phone, but you give solid info where I don't have to.

[@andrewcramer7214]

No joke have heard so many on KZbin talk about astigmatism but never bothered to really focus on the dot until this video, my dots all look like an exploding sun lol. Guess i should schedule an eye appointment.

[@sheldonjplanktonn]

That's how driving at night is when my prescription is old

[@Bryan-1980]

Thanks for talking about the Cat Pro. I just picked up 2 of them and they’re really nice for a side load micro dot, especially for the money. Have a good day Marksman 😎

[@estherlee8683]

Wow great video. Thorough and comprehensive. I just stumbled across this video and I have to shout out Thanks! Thank you so much for taking the time to go through all of these dots and judging them based on your astigmatism. Well done! I'm going to watch it again and take notes!

[@goose5679]

God bless you for this video!!! I greatly appreciate you showing different options. I have been researching this for over a year after finding out I have an astigmatism after purchasing my 1st red dot for my AR. This is a great reference for my research. Thanks again man, you rock!!!!!

[@jaredtroy7074]

I started watching your channel a few months ago when I started to get back into shooting. I actually bought the sig p320max after seeing your review as my first dot gun. I was frustrated by the Starburst and it wasn't until I looked at the dot through my phone camera that I realized what it was suppose to look like. I reached out to an ophthalmology friend as well and found out I didn't have an astigmatism, but DRY eyes! Just wanted to put this out there as another potential cause of the dot not being crisp. Great video, love the content.

[@chrisstopp5909]

I have the Cylee Cat pro. Only got it because it had double discount codes through 704 tactical when it came out. Nice to see it mentoned. I appreciate all the time and effort you put in.

[@fusionxp]

I found holo sights eliminate my astigmatism. I personally use a prism. Really helps. Also for a bit of rance I use the holosun magnifier behind my 510c. The diaptor help clean it up when you adjust the focus for the more ranges shots.

[@strykeback1]

This is an amazing video and I love that you found a shooter that is an eye doctor to bust out the science. I had a massive retinal tear 2 years ago which rolled into a cataract and lense replacement before 40. No more astigmatism in that eye and 20 20 for distance but no up close vision… the other eye still rocks a contact and has astigmatism. 507k 6 moa dot in red is a big bloom to me but the 507k with primary arms green Vulcan reticle isn’t too bad at all being a smaller dot to bloom

[@JeffNeelzebub]

Surprised you didn't mention the 507C with ACSS. The chevron only has minor distortion in low-light, but in daylight, it's crisp as crisp can be. Best option for astigmatism I've seen.

[@hoatzen7887]

yes, holosun is the best product for astigmatism by far.

[@NoThisIsPatrick_]

Some people with astigmatism complain about the chevron of the acss being one of the worst for their eye

[@JeffNeelzebub]

@@NoThisIsPatrick_ I guess it depends on the severity or type, but for me, it’s perfect in daylight with only a minor blur or double/triple ghost image in low light.

[@NoThisIsPatrick_]

For my eyes only the Holosun circle dot worked so far.

[@Bigfish1day]

I looked at this one in green also, looked the clearest to me also. Trying to decide if this one ore the SRO is the best for me.

[@Presscheckpino]

Great video I agree the cyelee red dots are very crisp even with my astigmatism

[@williegillie5834]

Great video. Explanations were clear. My vision not so much. I struggle with an astigmatism with my rifles and have rectified that with some fantastic prism scopes from Primary Arms. I wonder if anyone makes something similar for a pistol? I agree with your comments about learning to shoot with the astigmatism visual defect that you have, I learned to do that prior to discovering the prism scopes for my AR’s. Most people will always have the same shaped defect that they visualize, for example, mine is a reverse “C” canted with the opening towards about 10 or 11 o’clock and anchored by a ball on each end. I learned by shooting what the actual center was for me, it was the top ball of the C. Most people can adapt to what ever they are dealing with as you practice more although initially it was very frustrating. Thanks again.

[@stephenbrody2717]

Thank you so much for this . I have trying to get the best answers. 🙏

[@raybostancioglu4355]

Excellent review thank you!! Holosun 507C Acss Vulcan works the best for me.

[@jamiemui5186]

Color of dot for people with astigmatism varies. I see less distoring on green than red. I need to dial down red to clear the star burst. Dot color is trial by error a lot of times.

[@robertvail6013]

To repeat what another commenter said,, Thank you for a in depth video dealing with optics and astigmatism!! I appreciate it immensely!

[@Quality_Guru]

What I love most about this channel is the opportunity to grow and become better through the shared knowledge and experience that your pour on us. May the Lord pour out his blessings on you and your family for the love, patience, and humor that you provide. Thank you for your mentoring.

[@matthewabrams9940]

Competition shooter and licensed optician here. Very good work!

[@vahanyazarian5582]

Where are you?(state] Thanks!

[@mattbronco8516]

Thank you, as a fellow starburst enjoyer this was exactly the kind of info I needed. Another cheapo hack is using polarized shooting glasses, that was enough for me to turn a figure eight into a single blurry dot that's at least usable.

[@ShawnHinck]

The thing about astigmatism, what looks bad to one might not look bad to another, astigmatism just isn’t the same from person to person. There are a few largely universal things though, larger dots typically appear more as intended and heavy notch filters (looking at you RMR) will largely cause a lot of distortion. I can tell you that I see less distortion using green than I do red with my astigmatism

[@darkpassenger65]

This was one of the most informative video yet. Now I know why I have a preference for green. Love my new Holosun 507 comp.

[@ixiwixi]

I have Keratoconus, which is like an Astigmatism turned up to 11, and I bought a Holosun 509T Green and its crystal clear. I was shocked because the red dot on my 507c is really distorted.

[@harrycallahan5112]

Dude !! Finally someone lol..I myself have kerotaconus and exact same I see way better in green vs red ! n yes kera is astigmatism dialed wayyyy tf up lol…

[@1of1ant]

bummer, sold mine bc it was star bursty!

[@deputydog5261]

I have had my lenses replaced because of cataracts. I use to use RMR products but they no longer were usable with my new multifocal IOL but holosun works and so does eotech. If anyone is wondering the multifocal IOL is the way to go I have about 20 20 vision now. I never wear glasses I can read, see distance, use iron sight or a scope and some red dots.

[@cbwalker8]

I also have an astigmatism. I own the RMR 3.25moa, Sig Max 3 6moa, EPS Carry 6moa and DPP 6 moa. I completely agree with your findings here in this video and would rank the same. I borrowed a friends DPP but in 3.25 MOA and it looked terrible vs the 6 MOA version which looks very good. Love the videos. Thank you!

[@cbwalker8]

I would actually rate the RMR 3.25 as the worst for me. Looks terrible to my eyes.

[@MDpolo]

Amazing video. Thank you for doing this since it affects so many of us. Trijicon RMR is a no go for me because it starbursts badly. For my ucorrected eye, the ones that I work the best are the Holosun EPS, Steiner MPS, Swampfox Sentinel and Cye Lee Cat-Pro.

[@johnmoorefield76]

Thanks for the review David! I've never seen a video with so many red dots! Enjoy the coming week & shoot on Brother!!!

[@markmichna6750]

When I got the Hunters HD Gold made in my prescription, it was a game changer.

[@joquin4618]

Excellent presentation and researched video. I guess the best RDS depends on the end user with their own abilities and use

[@jmac2465]

I have a lot of red dots including Holosun’s and Eotech for pistols. The best one hands down for astigmatism is the Cyelee wolf 2. It might be a “cheaper” option as far as price point, but it is a great optic. I own 3 - wolf 2’s and have had them the longest and have never had an issue with any of them. I bought two for my father in law and one of them is on an XDM elite 10mm and he has not had an issue with it. Been about 3 years and going with thousands of rounds with O issues. I have drop tested them (in dirt not concrete) and they have held up. Can’t complain one bit. They hold zero perfectly and for $120 can’t beat the price!

[@dmack346]

The Steiner MPS and my Holosun HS507 ACSS are my best two out of my collection. I have the DPP and Holosun 407 and 507k also. Thanks for sharing.

[@pranc236]

Awesome video on a needed subject. Big J takes his slide in with him to get his Rx. Pretty good idea that they can help dial the fuzzy out of the thing you will be using. 😉

[@roBLINDhood]

Thank you so much for this! I have several visual impairments including astigmatism and this was extremely helpful.

[@RidersRange]

Great info. With my astigmatism I find the Ultradot Matchdot II set on the 4moa dot to be the cleanest out of all the dots I have tried.

[@davidt5085]

Such a great overview and explanation, thanks! I’ve definitely found the 6 MOA to be much better to my eyes. Great info on the lens tint and how that can contribute to how the dot is perceived. Will definitely help with my next dot purchase.

[@denvercyclist]

I recently decided to get rid of a ACSS reticle pistol Red Dot because I couldn't release zero it and I believe this video explains kind of how astigmatism makes that thing hard to see especially with the weird triangle thing blooming out to the side

[@gabethomas8123]

You’re talking about the chevron on acss reticle, right? The triangle? I have that as well and I often see two overlapping chevrons.

[@davidedwards8940]

I have not seen anything like this. Amazing/congrats 🤠

[@hotwater8473]

Eps 6 moa green for the win to my eyes (astigmatism) looking through dots of a buddies or in a store if possible like mentioned great advice.

[@Quality_Guru]

I had to review the video a couple of times to see which red dots were rated best. It’s at time line 7:30. They are: Holosun EPS6 C More RTS2 10 Cyelee Cat Pro Romeo 3 Max 6 Steiner MPS I have to admit that I would have never considered the Cyelee optic until now. It’s less than all of the others.

[@vicb8975]

GREAT VIDEO….A lot of good information. I’m now sold of the 6MOA with my astigmatism…

[@tri3pleagent]

I bought some polarized shooting glasses and it actually does help with the effects of astigmatism.

[@XL_Tactical]

Thank you for this. I had know idea this was a thing and I thought my first red dot was broken when I got it. This information is not out there enough.

[@davidedwards8940]

Would love a list and description of all of the pistols/optics in the video!🙏

[@Qkriek]

Wow!! Great timing! I am looking at getting a optic right now!

[@CKKnifeandTool]

Good video. Appreciate the time you took.

[@markaliberti8313]

Thanks for the video I just recently found out how many of us have this issue. A lot of good information in this video thanks again

[@mnyee1995]

Great video. Thank you so much. You explained the best of this red dot problem for astigmatism.

[@JohnDoe-mf5sc]

Good video! I have a bad astigmatism as well and I also have found the MPS to be the best dot for my eye. I was surprised though that the delta the delta or SRO would be my next choice. In a video before you had mentioned the larger dots being better so I tried it and WOW you weren’t lying it was like an ah ha moment for me! So I agree if you have an astigmatism a larger moa is key! For me and my eye the rmr is the worst! The blue filter and distortion are hell on my bad eyesight so I have to turn up the brightness which on the rmr I’ve found typically gives me a double dot. Which is no bueno. So for me rmr is worst delta/SRO and MPS are my favorite. Larger dot if possible 👍🏻

[@aelges]

Great video! I can always count on your content being amazing! Thanks for taking the time to go over relevant topics!

[@gulkash1188]

I was typing out the blue blocker lens idea as you got to it, very good breakdown. I don't have a ton of breadth in my red dot pistol experience but I have had good success with a holosun 407k. Slight blooming but not bad.

[@knightcustombuilds6988]

I experienced the same with the 407, 2 moa but appears 4 moa or so. Y'all stay safe and keep shooting 🤙

[@gregggibson3109]

Thank you sir!! A very good presentation relative to this very contemporary issue.

[@grllaspeak]

When they decide to create an etched reticle red dots for pistols a lot of this will go away. Great video

[@BafflingBS]

Thank you, first and foremost. The blue block lenses are probably a great route for me to go. I need new glasses anyway. I’ve definitely shy’d away from red dots, because of my astigmatism. I’ve been leaning more toward prism sights, for my rifles. I’ll have to try one of the ones that you’ve recommended.

[@dcssteve1944]

Thanks, Loved all the comparisons and info. Green absolutely does not work for me in a red dot. I am pretty much moving from the 507c to the EPS - Red 6 and EPS Carry for my Hellcat Pro. I also find the 6 MOA dot more forgiving than the 32 MOA circle-dot if happens to be a bit bright in a darker environment. The 32 MOA circle dot when a bit too bright can obscure the view. Seems Holosun is my go to, all my 5 handguns have Holosuns. Sometimes you might not have time to adjust the dot intensity so most forgiving is a plus. Ambient light control is a non-starter. ambient light and target light can very widely

[@corradopsi]

Well done video. I would have liked more time to see the purple dot representing what you see. Also change it from purple to something brighter and easier to see. I didn't notice it until you were halfway through the sights. I'm going to go look into that enclosed holosun now.

[@Thomas-ox6xi]

Helpful video for someone with astigmatism. All I ever wanted was an eotech. I bought my first one back in 2010 and was deeply devastated when the picture sucked and I thought I got a dud. My glasses and contacts helped but still not perfect

[@hgk2225]

Great video. Everyone’s eyes are unique. I’m color blind but just discovered I have an astigmatism when I ordered a holosun eps carry green 6 moa on Amazon. I thought it was broken as I saw 4 dots of various distorted sizes. It wasn’t until I put my glasses on that I realized it was my eyes not the dot. I tried a vortex defender ccw in 6 moa at the store w/o glasses on and it looked perfect. I was trying to see if I liked the 2moa or 6 as they didn’t have the holosun eps 6 moa in stock. Now I guess I either start shooting with glasses on or I get the vortex dot which is in red. I wish they made dots in gold for pistols. Holosun used to make a gold dot for rifles.

[@harrycallahan5112]

509 green , sro works best with my kerotaconus

[@Dfgbuiiyyyybb]

This was a fantastic review. I wish more reviewers would have a small section when they review optics and talk about astigmatism and color blind. I've spent a good amount of money on prescription glasses for the range because my astigmatism flairs up when I'm using reddots. There countless times when I get the starburst the starburst covers the target or oh look my reddot turning into a grapes.

[@Skagzilla5643]

This video shows how every eye is different. For me green dots are the best uncorrected, but when it comes to red dots my Acro is the best, and the Steiner is the fuzziest.

[@calangel]

What looks best is determined by the end user. Your lens distortion is unique to you. Go to a LGS and look at them in person. Larger, less intense (i.e. bright) dots look better when you have astigmatism. Generally. Small, intense dots will starburst more than larger, less intense ones. The 2moa EPS models' dots looked just as big to me considering the flaring, as the 6moa EPS.

[@thengine7]

Did you prefer green or red for your astigmatism?

[@calangel]

@@thengine7 my EYES much prefer red. Due to green being easier to sense, it generally appears brighter to me and I don't like bright lights. The astigmatism is aggravated by bright lights, too. The best way for you to determine what looks good to you if you don't have a LGS with both in stock is this: while you're driving, look at the traffic lights in the distance. Which color, red or green, flares more to you? Which is easier to see against the urban background in the distance? Which color look like a sharper circle? Pay attention to which "pop" to you as they change (you'll have to ignore the splendor of the yellow/gold light...we don't have a yellow EPS, sadly).

[@W1ldt1m]

Great video. My astigmatism is corrected as well as it can be and I still turn a 2 moa into a six moa burst and every 6 I've messed with is completely unusable. Then again I have an exemption for safety glasses because they only cetify polycarbonate not ultralight lenses and in plain poly they can't make my prescription.

[@Johnsormani]

Why dont you take your gun( or red dot) to your opticien and have them correct it on the fly?

[@82lowe36id]

Great video and comparisons. Interested why SwampFox optics did not make it in this video.

[@Oysteims]

Very happy with the Holosun EPS 6 as someone with astigmatism

[@jimmyjameswu6474]

Excellent idea for a video. This sincerely helped .

[@grantham1149]

Thank you. Excellent information

[@MrNightmarium]

Great video. First time i see someone tackle this issue that clearly(get it?). Thx

[@mackies9151]

I've been on the dot for 7 years with astigmatism. # 1 thing for me is Toric contacts to correct the astigmatism. Prescription glasses don't work as well for me because of the distance from your glasses to your eye. Also if your not looking through the correct spot on the glasses you get a horrible parallax. All that is solved with Toric contacts. Of course you can get some blurring eye goop from sunscreen/sweat running in your eyes just use some rewetting drops.

[@AJuniorOutdoorsman]

As an ACRO p2 enjoyer I will say uncorrected the p2 Starbursts quite a bit, but I also have a fairly strong prescription. With correction it's the cleanest dot I've ever used, but i only have a sample size of one.

[@ae86sexydori]

Mine looks like a football but at least it's there, not like the 2 Steiner MPS I've had. Will have to wait and see if the 3rd one Steiner sends me actually lasts.

[@RV7695]

Great video! USPSA Run CMore RTS2, V5 10 MOA on both my S2 Blue Carry Optic. Like over SRO 5 MOA and Romeo 3 Max 6 MOA. Like the price RTS2 as well. Think it’s extremely underrated. Like to try the 507 Comp.

[@zdog3796]

As someone with astigmatism, I have to try before I buy. The smaller dots always give me an issue while 6 MOA and up tend work best. It’s interesting to see how much the hunters HD make the dot pop. I’ve found the same applies to rifle dots. Eotech has been the best for me.

[@nunyabidness9257]

I have a fair bit of astigmatism and find the Holosun red dots I have used (509T, 407, 509 ACSS) all have crisper reticles than my SRO and RMR. That said, the Dual Illuminated RMR’s have NO blooming at all. These use daylight to light the reticle and not an LED. The only thing is that the green reticles have really dark filter coatings on the lens and are essentially dark at dusk and dawn and the Amber reticles have fairly large dots. The one to buy is the Amber Triangle. You get the precision of a large dot but the accuracy of the point, and if you are skilled and know your bullet drop over distance of your gun and ammo, you get some basic BDC capability as a bonus.

[@C-M-E]

As a longtime shooter just getting into dots for CC, it's been an interesting whack-a-mole experience on the astigmatism front. The first was a Cylee CAT 3.5 MOA green dot, which for the relative price is comparable to more expensive options. Clear glass and nice dot, but I get an interesting exploding circular ring of dots with a central dot effect. I learned to focus on the most inner dot and the lowest effective brightness for mixed light and it worked for awhile. I wanted to try their option for astig's, but it doesn't come with the right footprint for direct mounts for my uses, and I much prefer to get that sucker as low as possible without plates. About 6 months later, the RomeoZero with the Donut and Dot went on sale somewhere for stupid cheap and I tried that. On brightness level 2, it's almost perfectly clean with a light shift to the right, but discernable enough for good accuracy. Just went and zeroed it for a new gun yesterday and got serviceable accuracy on a Rock 5.7. I think I prefer the green dots better, but finding the right footprint mount combo and green for RSMc and a relatively good deal has me thinking I'd be better off inventing some kind of illuminated ghost ring sight system instead.

[@texpatriot8462]

Could you do the same thing for the micro red dots suitable for pistols like the Glock 43x or P365?

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

Awesome video. Just what I needed before I get my next red dot. Bummer about green. Between the holosun eps 6 and the Steiner mps which would you prefer and why?(overall not just astigmatism)

[@sleigh4019]

What's kinda crazy the best one is the Ceylee wolf 2 made for stigmatizem .. Was shocked after years of using lots others ..still run Holosun mostly but it works

[@Phoenix_Core]

great job look fwd to your comparison to the new trij to the eps6

[@derrickburnett8703]

I have an astigmatism in my dominant eye. The eye doctors always tell me it’s so slight they won’t yet give me a prescription for glasses yet. Anyway, I have the 507c acss in red. When dry fire practicing indoors I see two of the chevrons practically touching each other with a NNW attitude. When I go to the range (which is outdoors) I find my Oakley sunglasses with the “prism” polarization sharpens it up to where I no longer see the two chevrons. Sunglasses are fine for outdoors, but it’s not like I’m going to put them on at 2am if I hear someone in the house. Been waiting to pick up an EPS carry to check out, after this video I’ll make sure it’s the 6MOA model. Thank you for making this video.

[@HydrationAppreciator]

Nice video. My ophthalmologist told me that green would theoretically look better for my astigmatism, but they must have gotten it backwards or something. I actually bought a green 507C ACSS and was really surprised that it looked much worse than the red 507C ACSS to my eye. When I look through the green one, I literally see a second complete chevron to the northeast of the 'real' one that is about 80% the size lol I will also say that I tried astigmatism-correcting contact lenses and they were NOT for me. I absolutely hated them because the weight to the lens that causes it to orient correctly made it feel like my eye was constantly wet with a beg teardrop in it. It drove me insane

[@tylernorris8543]

Did you misspeak when talking about the green vs. red? From my understanding, green is almost always the preferred option for someone with astigmatism. And the comments seem to suggest that as well.

[@TheHumbleMarksman]

No - per my optometrist friend and my own astigmatism - green looks notably worse to me

[@Wachtier]

My RMR is definitely the worst starbursting dot I own. My SRO only gets fuzzy on high brightness, and both of the Romeo1pros that I have are solid clear dots. I’ve also had good luck on that front with holosuns, my 507c is a touch blurrier than the Romeos but is still pretty close to a clear dot. It’s not exactly a fair comparison, but the chevron on the ACSS 507c is very crisp and clear as well.

[@leepeffer1304]

Another thing to mention is that red dots within the exact same model will look different. If you have an astigmatism you should probably buy in person to get the best dot you can. From an optics perspective, these are simple aspheric lenses that are very cheaply made and hastily aligned. Manufacturers COULD make a much better dot, but they would start at $5,000. Good information. Thanks.

[@lowerspeedhigherdrag]

Heres what ive found. Larger dots kept at a lower brightness work the best for me. By far the clearest i found so far is rmr 6.5 moa. I dial it down till its just visible and its clear as can be. The 3.5 i can never get completely clear but better as i go lower brightness.

[@RedEyePergo]

I wear contacts and the Cicle dot on my Holosun EPS and 512C looks great so does my swamp fox justice 3 moa dot. Gonna have to look at them with my bare eyes now to see if its any different

[@wingingit9493]

I have spent a small friggin fortune on red dots, glasses, and I can't get past the grapes of wrath, streaks of doom or a reflection of the inside of my eyeball vessels exploding out from the ghosting/splatter looking red dot like a road map of insanity. A prism or standard type of reticle works great lit or black, very sharp and clean. I've settled with 1 x 4, 1x 6 lit and unlit scopes on my AR's and quick mounts so I can get back to irons if needed. But I'm pretty much screwed concerning pistols.

[@Shinobi1Kenobi]

Great video! Thanks.

[@justindeus3899]

I just got a 509t as my first dot and when I have my contacts in I get a crisp dot. Surprisingly my astigmatism doesn't affect it much

[@XrayMike17plus1]

I concur- the Delta Point Pro is terrible in terms of 'starburst'. Wish I'd seen this video before buying it. Lately Ive been running circle-dots with the central dot turned off and the circle just bright enough to see. That way I can look through the circle and see in detail what's in the center of it. I can easily center the target within the circle, where running the circle dot tyically obscures whats within the circle. The circle by itself is easier to 'find' when presenting than a dot and appears as a big dot up close - about 4 inches in diameter at about 25 feet and becomes easier to see through at greater distances out to as far as I'm likely to shoot with a handgun. With the 12 & 6 and 9 & 3 marks on the cicle its easy to approximate where a dot would be within it. On my rifles I use micro prisms or an LPVO for longer distances. Great video! Thanks.

[@danjewell2612]

Well, you left one out that I wanted to see I have a canon MC nine And Canik makes a red dot It’s called Mecanik

[@mi_cheap_guns2925]

I bought a used Kimber years back that had some sort of Vortex mounted on it from the factory. It was my first handgun red dot. The dot looked like a comma. I was pissed, thought the guy sold me junk. Never knew I had an astigmatism until soon after that.

[@RockinRack]

The romeo x looks really good for me. Plus its clear i hate when dots have the blue fishbowl effect

[@Mike_The_Hog_A_Nator]

Great info. I wear corrective glasses for vision, they don't help me with my Astigmatism. I have the HE407c x2 Green 2moa & it looks perfect if I'm looking at it from a close distance but stretched out in a shooting stance it kinda looks like "2 little dots on top each other." No different than my cheap 4moa Red dot. It still looks like 2 little dots, 1 on top of the other. When I set it dim, it looks better & I can still punch an X at 20y. Dots definitely made me a better shooter.