Which Porsche is faster at Touge!? 911S vs. 718 Cayman S / Hot-Version 2017

[ENTRY CAR]
PORSCHE 911 Carrera S
PORSCHE 718 Cayman S
[DRIVER]
DK Keiichi Tsuchiya
MAX Manabu Orido
NOB Nobuteru Taniguchi
[STAGE]
GUNMA CYCLE SPORT CENTER (GUNSAI)

[@Cypress_green]

To whoever is making these subtitles: THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!

[@VictorPitstop]

Seriously! I know you still watch these even without Dubs too!

[@brandondan1]

Same! Love the subtitles, I hope they make more.

[@HDst107]

+1

[@fromthegods78]

Damnnn there were subtitles?? 🤦‍♂️

[@RastaRider]

Loev you! And they got paid!

[@kevinyang5195]

Touge is an amazing place, where Cayman beats a Carrera S and an old NSX can leave a new one in the dust.

[@Zygrene]

Well said. Neither would have happened on a circuit, where power counts for much more.

[@elazotacunaos4752]

@@和也兄貴 what? The chassis and stability of the cars nowadays are miles away from the old ones

[@lild3838]

Most famous circuits to do test drive have long distance and alot of long straight to max the power... but small circuit tend to have less straight and more corner. Power is less important than the stability and power delivery in small circuit, the car simply doesnt have the time to reach it peak power.

[@ciello___8307]

@@和也兄貴 Nimbleness, not really stability. New cars are a lot more stable

[@1compaqedr8]

@@和也兄貴 Have to disagree as I see even modern sedans doing big speed on interstates with complete stability up to 150mph and higher performance in corners and acceleration than old sports cars. Modern examples: Regular 3 series turbo 6, C class V8, Charger V8, etc. That's before even considering their respective high performance derivatives (M, AMG, SRT). Only issue I have with new cars is weight.

[@benedict6027]

As a current 718S GT Silver owner, this video really shows that I've made the right choice for now.

[@RuohongZhao]

Megatron 718s is a fantastic car with extremely underrated engine.

[@MyRealName]

I'm grateful for the subtitles, no matter how funny they are in places. Thanks!

[@KevAlberta]

I appreciate so much the episodes with subtitles. Thank you for posting this video for us to watch

[@mille8926]

本当参考になった。ありがたい。911sと、718gtsあたりかと悩んでいたのですごく参考になりました。このようにタイム差が出て、評価も聞けるのは二重に有難い。

[@食べたいたこ焼き-q2l]

なんか９１１とケイマンってＭＦゴーストにも出てるし結構いい関係な気がする

[@hiiya1080]

色々言われてるけど十分な出力を確保出来るなら小型軽量な4気筒はかなりアリだと思う。 ケイマン系は中古価格の値落ち激しいからいつかは一度はオーナーになって思いっきり走らせてみたい

[@hiiya1080]

@@E.M-e6y ほえー、補器類とかボディ補強とかの影響なんでしょうか？ 気になって調べてみたら普通に718の6気筒モデルより4気筒モデルの方が軽量みたいですけど、もしかして先代モデルと比較してますか？

[@ぐれ-z8d]

N N. 感じ悪いなぁ、しかも勘違いしてるとかダッサ

[@shunya7055]

hiiya1080 先代の6気筒NAモデルと比べてるんだと思います

[@momoxh]

cayman is perfect for those twisty mountain roads, it's more nimble than 911 and more balanced, but i think 911 will win if they compete in an open circuit, also branding-wise, 911 is more luxurious

[@patrickodonnell4827]

You don't buy a sports car for luxurious options you buy for the joy of the drive and handling. If you want luxury buy a sadan or a SUV.

[@momoxh]

@@patrickodonnell4827 you didn't get what I meant. 911 is clearly more premium or more high-end than cayman or boxster

[@porschechannel8019]

718は確かに速い。981で一緒に走ってても高速域での加速が全然違う感覚がある。ただやっぱりあの不等長のバラバラ音は好みが分かれますね。

[@gentleaviator]

モデルによっては馬力差もあるかもだけど、 初期加速の強さは718のターボのおかげだよね。 でもご存じの通り、音がまるでダメ。 あと実を言うと、フレーム強度は718より981の方が数千ニュートン高い(ドイツ本国で話題になってた) 多分718は多少コストカットもされてるみたいですよ

[@indrabendi3300]

German battle at Japan, with Japanese best driver😎👍

[@215nerf]

so my suspicions were true, the cayman is the better car but in more powerful versions it gets nerfed by long gearing and a shorter wheelbase for such power (gt4)

[@fabioribeiro5071]

The wheel base being shorter actually benefits the cayman with higher agility and better handling compared to the 911, but yes they nerfed it with longer gears and less powerfull engines.

[@armando_alves]

Everyone knows the Cayman is a better car than the 911 but Porsche can't make the Cayman better than one of the most, if not best sportscars ever.

[@turbocharged9589]

For THIS course, sure.

[@farizshakir2252]

Honestly I'd prefer they nerf the horsepower of the Cayman but just give us the shorter gearing, it doesn't need a lot of power to be enjoyable. Hope an aftermarket company makes a new gearset for the Cayman!

[@armando_alves]

@@turbocharged9589 and everywhere else. The Cayman is mid engined and that is undoubtedly a better layout. They handicaped the Cayman GT4 with a super long gearbox because otherwise it would hurt the 911 GT3 sales.

[@またろう]

本気で作ると911よりケイマンの作りの方が早くなる不都合、、

[@alexale4074]

てことはコストカットの跡があると そういう意味ですかね

[@ykuiraakezaki6770]

構造上RRのカレラよりRMRのケイマンのが重芯の関係でカーブに強い。

[@randomlonglegcat7973]

ポルシェ内の暗黙のルールとしてケイマンはお兄ちゃん分の911より速く作ってはいけないみたいなやつがあるらしいね😂

[@manchikin]

わざとストラット履かせてますし

[@maniax4162]

やっぱケイマン良いな〜

[@うぇびー]

ケイマン迷ってる方はかなり参考になる動画なのかなと思う。

[@TheGuardian214]

まず、スーパーカーで峠攻めるバカいねぇだろ

[@user-ii1md5py5f]

@@TheGuardian214 いくらでもいるぞ そもそもケイマン程度なら正直スーパーカーとも言わんでしょ。 そもそもケイマン買えるくらいの値段で日本製スポーツカーをチューニングしている人ばっかだしね

[@裕ユウ-f4k]

ケイマンS、ポルシェの中では一番お気に入りの車です。(*^^*)

[@akaisenshiPORSCHE]

峠のスピード域ではMRが有利ですか☆走りを楽しむならケイマンですかね～♪

[@tchamseddine1787]

I love your intro!!

[@ミクさん大好き]

スポーツ走行してるポルシェはかっこいいな、街中で普通に走ってるところかっこいいけど

[@leofong8344]

thank you for english subtitles

[@nh-bw7dc]

誰か英語のできるドライバーがいたら世界の著名カーyoutuberとコラボして毎回５００万view取れる峠run show作リたいなあ。

[@HarelDZL]

New eng sub video....Damn!!! WE LOVE IT!!!

[@yukiotakata]

its endearing how Carrera S turns into Curry rice when they Enjapanese the western name. Still unforgivable those 4 cylinders on the 718.

[@kook20xx]

次は718 GTS4.0とGT4よろ！

[@Treeezplz]

Thank you for subtitles!

[@udaravimukthi6568]

911ターボSとGtr Nismoどうなるかなぁ🤔

[@tezzasaurusrex]

Keep the series going!

[@Mihoshi_Rina]

Mベッケンバウアー 「やはりな……石神、お前の走りは加齢臭の臭いがする！」

[@あかさ-s5p]

俺の枕も加齢臭がする！

[@peter-johndamonse5035]

Yes!!! Touge Battle!! More plz👍🏽🙏

[@elms350z]

Finally! Been waiting for some modern Porsches!

[@jamdg2250]

NOBさんのインプレとコメントが好きやな

[@jWizard]

someone please ID the soundtrack... Thank you so much before hand

[@Cmnt_6661]

Is it because the wheelbase and the engine position on the car that made the cayman faster on this... seems it’s really important on weight balance in this course more than power than one got

[@skudaaron1986]

I still have my DVD's I love this show.

[@geraldrogers9481]

Tsuchiya gets to lead he blasts away 🤔🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@noncitizenzero3038]

911 is good for posing, 718 is good for racing

[@nagmashot]

I would love to see some top cars from european hillclimb racing on this tarmac...thats exactly what they are made for

[@MrEdo320]

Yessss!!!

[@TheBobes]

Kei-chan 😂

[@ポンタロー]

これがMF GHOSTですか？

[@nezabytes]

We all know the mid engine Cayman was always better than the rear engine 911. C'mon, admit it!

[@XxxX-ue2ot]

MFゴーストの ベッケンバウアーVS石神風神 じゃん

[@bagomoyo]

空耳カレーライスが止まらない

[@CarJunkie]

I made the right choice!

[@pec1739]

call me an odd ball, but i like the flat-4 718

[@pec1739]

ohh damn they like the 718 as well

[@brother_maleik]

I'm curious if the gt4 rs is faster than the gt3rs

[@mino070382]

ありがと の サブ

[@drumminham]

Could someone please pass on my contact info to the cat lady? Thanks in advance....

[@BlitzkriegRap]

Not gonna lie boys, I would still like to have 911 more. That flat 4 in Cayman sounds so boring, older Cayman S had a nice flat 6.

[@hectorfuji]

I kind if dig the the flat 4 Cayman, since most don’t like it it might turn to cheap buy just like how it was with the Carrera 996, nobody like them either so easier to get your hands on one.

[@vickymaulana1329]

Sugoiiiii

[@sorattiys9673]

中谷さんでてこないかなぁ…笑

[@佐藤直弘]

PASMの有無でタイム変わると思うのだが

[@小林弘明-b1c]

→Very👍

[@kamalashraf4846]

I have said it and i will say it again. This is the best car show on planet earth and nothing compares! Maou! Keep it coming! Yoshhh!!!

[@f00kinglasrsights89]

Most passionate car show ever

[@ikkyu-san3436]

totally agree. best channel!

[@El_Seth]

Absolutely, you can actually learn a lot about cars from this show instead of watching top gear or some shit making shit jokes and doing stupid ass drag races all day, I love this show

[@e-sound2316]

カレラの値段でケイマンGT4買えちゃうんだよね…個人的にはそっちが好みかなぁ…

[@user-Nagatsuki_Tomo]

911カレラSvs718ケイマンS リアルMFゴーストだなぁ(まぁGT3vsケイマンSじゃないけど)

[@nomman2962]

こういうコースはやっぱりミドシップがいいんだねー ポルシェは上品な試乗が多いから，こういう比較は新鮮です！！

[@Peanutdenver]

Yes it really shows the advantage a mid-engine layout has and would represent the kind of driving we all do on the back roads here in California or Japan. I think the Cayman is such a great bargain in the sports car territory. I love this little car.

[@leaf46]

あれ？ ポルシェ カレラS って4WDじゃなかったっけ

[@ynom1295]

@@leaf46 それカレラ4SかターボSじゃない？

[@altomandesu3800]

素のカレラかと思ったらSモデル相手にこれは718の素性の良さがより一層伝わりました。

[@EmillionWayz]

I was 15 minutes into the video until I realized that there are actually english subtitles available... Nice video als always tho!

[@alessandro5693]

I read this before watching the video. Thank you!

[@antwango]

WTF!!! No wonder i been watching so much i thought i understood these guys!!?

[@ichsanrolibta3043]

"What is power without balance" - Dori Dori

[@lonelypilot3610]

Agreed with DK. This is a huge part in tuning that I would say a large percentage of the car community doesn't understand.

[@ebonymaw8385]

people are too obsessed with 1/4 mile times

[@macnchillidogs1601]

America: haha big block thirsty engine go vroom vroom

[@AngelFloyd27]

Thank you very much for the content with subs, Best Motoring! Keep up the good work!

[@nukogc-8997]

織戸ドライブであのガードレールが見えるとドキッとするw

[@たろう佐藤-z2v]

アクセル全開区間が～　というくだりでドキドキするねｗ

[@kikuden9605]

GT3 VS GT4が見たいです～

[@カムイ23]

見たいけどコワーーイ(笑)

[@神谷-t1e]

@@カムイ23 せ

[@xinsanepinoyx]

It’s great after more than 15 years of Hot Version Touge, they’re beginning to release European cars as samples of world category cars on the touge. I hope as a classic touge special they will release an AE/TE Chassis special with modified/concerted engines. In a Touge 200 class special.

[@orionfox4010]

Thank you to whoever does the subtitles, you make this quarantine slightly better!

[@fcb19lio]

911は良くも悪くもGTカーの色が強くなってますよねー。 長距離ドライブや旅行には911カレラ、日本の峠で楽しむならケイマン/ボクスター、サーキットならGTS以上。 上手くキャラ分けしつつも、一貫して完成度の高いスポーツカーをつくるのは、さすがポルシェ・・・

[@shunya7055]

fcb19lio 911で本気で走る人はGT3RSとか買いそうですもんね

[@ecoeco2457]

@@shunya7055 初めまして、GT3RSとなると買える人も乗りこなせる人もごく僅かですもんね😅

[@木耳八宝菜]

更に金儲けも天下一品ざます

[@toubu01]

982のSはVTGタービンですよね、997の頃は911ターボ、GT2とかトップモデルしか付いてなかったのにここまで下ろしてくれたポルシェには感謝。 でも自分は今の981ボクスターで当分行きます、やっぱNAかな。 こんな企画をしてくれてありがとう！土屋さんはNSXをルマンでクラス優勝させてくれた凄いドライバーです、TS020のことも含めもっと評価されていい方！

[@Deathhiko]

ずっとケイマン vs 911が見たかった！ 911の方がハイグレードだけどケイマンMRだしバランスいいのでは？と思ってた疑問が少し解けました

[@ヴァンダム-o9f]

初代ケイマンは「カレラより速くなっちゃう」という理由でLSDが標準装備されませんでしたからね。素のバランスがやはり良いのでしょう

[@ynom1295]

@@ヴァンダム-o9f なんか…ドイツメーカーらしい理由ですね…

[@ゆう-i8f5j]

@@ynom1295 さらに言うとカレラより速くならないように車体剛性を少し落としたそうな でも補強パーツを付けたらカレラより上になってしまう

[@エム-k4m]

初代のとき、911の方が速いからケイマンやめた、今ならそんなに飛ばさないからケイマン買うと思う

[@shoei3633]

718 VS 911論争に終止符を打ちましたね！ 70PSも差があるから718GTS位を持ち込まないとダメかなぁと思いましたが、ビックリです。 やっぱ、ミッドシップは真のスポーツカーですね。 凄く良い企画だったと思います。

[@Nassy_]

911はブランディングによる欺瞞なんだよなぁ。速さ重視でMRにしちゃえば良いのに。

[@saradomin88]

Fantastic review guys! excellent content! Doumo arigatou gozaimasu! どうもありがとうございます

[@kinji-86]

3:26 純正でスクランブルブーストついてんのか笑笑 すごいなぁ

[@jf5553]

Wow, best head to head review of these two I’ve ever seen!!! The Japanese know how to do it! No nonsense!!! Keep them coming!!!

[@alphajuaan]

arigato for the subs. you’re the man!

[@tu6493]

谷口さんの「つまんなかった」は言わされてるようなやつと違う心からの褒め(？)言葉だと思います

[@racer39]

イニシャルDで言うなら高橋兄弟みたいな笑笑 啓ちゃんが兄を超えるww

[@ct9a375]

自分的にひと回り小さいケイマンの方が好み。あとケイマンリアエンジンかと思ってたけどミッドシップなんだ〜

[@racer39]

彼らは大人で圭ちゃんはヤンチャwww

[@andrewsan6991]

Last time english sub came this early, Tsuchiya was still learning to drift.

[@胡桃川かなた]

谷口さん718　GTSはめっちゃ欲しいって絶賛してたね

[@HlspwnsWorld]

Great to see the Porsches getting a run, Cayman S has a very capable chassis, and I am surprised that the power and weight, pretty much even out between both cars. Cayman S is very much the track car

[@LandroRide]

Thank you for English subtitles! hot version is so nice !

[@JustYohannes]

Amazing video never stop

[@野菜の妖精-m1i]

3:01逆なのが気になる

[@ぺーぺー-d4t]

MFゴースト連想した笑

[@dabc9468]

ケイマン　スポーツカー 911 GTカーって感じでした 個人的にはケイマン、ボクスターの方が好きです

[@woshigepro2]

12:37 "Garrrr."

[@OldJdmCar]

リアルMFゴースト

[@hyonzui]

1:02 カレーライスの方が速い

[@QP3minutescooking]

草

[@Tokyo_Views]

Had so much fun watching this legendary video. Go Porsche!

[@SportNut1]

Porsche did the cayman dirty by never giving it the GT3 and GT2 engine it deserves. Imagine a 9000rpm 700hp engine powering this chassis

[@r.m.a990]

718 is best for this type of roads. Mid engine handling 👌🏻

[@JJsAutomotive]

"He bursts into flat-out. Damn so good."

[@baniak69]

This channel is brilliant,bigger supporter from italy!

[@apt62]

Baniak07 stay safe.

[@lensoprezole5322]

Thank you from France 👍

[@thegrmcrckr488]

Porsches and chicks with fishnets. What's not to like?

[@シノダトオル]

けいちゃんは無理だけど、中古のボクスターで十分楽しいって事で良いのかな⁇

[@Siberia-s]

サーキットも考えるなら、ケイマンの中古のがお奨めですよ。

[@YSekiai]

自分が911Sと718ケイマンSを乗り比べた時も全く同じ感想を持った。重量バランスは明らかにケイマンの方が良く、運転もケイマンの方が楽しい。コスパに優れた高性能スポーツカーが欲しいなら、前モデルの6気筒NAのケイマンを中古で買うのが一番いいと思う。

[@stephenswift8001]

And now there’s a Cayman GTS with a 6 cylinder 4.0 litre! Apparently it’s even better! Also, thank you for the subtitles!

[@reinhart482]

Yes yes yes! Cayman gts 4.0 wow!

[@spacekii]

It's funny how Tsuchiya's AE86 can beat a brand new Porsche in a timed lap of the touge simply because it is lighter and better tuned

[@RCLepcha]

He even best a R34 GT-R

[@Keckegenkai]

lets see the results on an equally technical track, like Nürburg. the AE would get smoked imo