Which Secret Lair Precon is Strongest? | Extra Turns 50 | Magic The Gathering MTG Commander Gameplay

[@devinkerr5474]

"Which Secret Lair Precon is Strongest?" Approximately 9 and a half minutes into the video, Josh: "You have the strongest deck, the lists are public!"

[@PSVmano]

'Every time Josh dies, an Angel gets it's wings'. That was amazing😂

[@themantyf1116]

And after Josh died he actually played a new angel. Prophecy fulfilled.

[@hoythedrick7870]

What happened to Becca not attacking Jimmy for not blowing up her banner???? 25:29

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Came to comments for this. Betrayal!

[@michaelgadbaw4780]

Yoooooo for realz what a deal....

[@tristanwolf4558]

Right! Put a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of the episode:(

[@christianlei2519]

I was with her until she also swung the mauler since that was the creature they made a deal over

[@xNemesiSxPR]

betrayal. so, that is what make magic good. if u truust ur opponent or not lol

[@jashuadavila99]

Spoiler Blocker🫣

[@YahMum69]

I love you

[@jameswoodruff2206]

Doing gods work 🙏

[@JiDonMySoul]

Underrated. I love this. Thank you

[@TheMadwomen]

Thank you! Promoting this to the top!

[@jxhook]

We need more people like you!!

[@iamacharliest]

At 22:10, Kolvori was a 6/6 with vigilance. Josh would have a blocker for Becca's turn after and survived.

[@Deathslayer296]

Yeah I saw that too!

[@mobbingrubbin2802]

Not only that but one turn josh swung with Kennan which was a 2/2 and Jimmy had a 3/3 and decided to block the 3/4 like what are you doing

[@Inspirawesome]

Whoever decided that using red for the power/toughness of creatures was a good idea needs to rethink their decision. It was almost impossible to discern.

[@Alternative-Works]

It's not just the color, the font/text is weird and grainy or low res

[@RunninOnYT]

I wonder if its bad for colourblind ppl.

[@ivernedit]

@@Inspirawesome yeah I noticed that too. Had to get real close to my screen.

[@crypto727]

I think the graininess comes from how it’s eight bit themed. Still, not a good decision at all.

[@imnotsarcastic4085]

@@Alternative-Works youtube compresses the color red more than any other color, so it's blurry and pixelated because of youtube :/

[@DangerKennyB]

I feel like 25:24 is sweet vengeance for Jimmy where JLK was an absolute gob to him that one session for killing JLK's commander one freaking time.

[@andyharrisonharper]

thats actually so true, jlk was brutal that episode lol

[@jimmychii4538]

Was that the bloomburrow one?

[@iiMisterLonely]

@@jimmychii4538 Yes, yes it was. One of the hardest watches for me honestly.

[@stikkontakt4]

​@@iiMisterLonely C'mon wasn't that bad just fun and games

[@NerdOnThePodcast]

Seriously... that was a brutal game and felt that deep in my soul!

[@KainMalice]

The table lost when that Ondu Inversion was countered. Remember kids, just because you have a Counterspell, doesn’t mean you should use it.

[@nickcardwell8695]

agreed

[@Bonta891]

could not agree more

[@andyharrisonharper]

Thats a really good point, i wonder if Olivia could have just built thru it, she did have a second commander after all

[@DBanner16]

She was just too mad at Josh lol

[@PirateMaster45]

I agree. She should've let it resolve

[@eldunae922]

The prof would explode if he had to play this game.

[@hyperam4594]

Video starts at 3:54

[@fernandostar3507]

Thank you. I swear the intros keep getting longer

[@Raddaatt]

I like this channel but the amount of commercial bs is just too much. Makes me feel icky.

[@gatodeluvas6514]

What's wrong with seeing ads? The products can be of use to you and watching helps the channel continue to exist...

[@fernandostar3507]

@@gatodeluvas6514 it’s the same product being talked about Card kingdom, ultra pro and patron. Yes we know about then each episode it doesn’t need to be 4 minutes long. It used to be a minute long ad before we got into the actual content. Not only that, KZbin ads very often throughout the video. Plus ads as you’re scrolling and ads inbetween shorts. Ads every where. It would be nice if the ads at the beginning of the video didn’t take so long

[@Shadenessan]

​@@fernandostar3507I just joined the channel and guess what I like the sponsors they keep em because of new people like me and guess what I do like them so it did work

[@Mastergamer450]

Josh could have blocked though, his Kolvori would have had vigilance due to having three legendary creatures.

[@AvatarKira]

Lol did Becca forget she made a deal not to swing at Jimmy?

[@NerdOnThePodcast]

When you get a play to win in Gruul colors... all deals are off lol experienced this too many times hahaha

[@peewee0224]

They say sometimes the turns take way longer than you see on camera and sometimes they have to rewind turns or order stuff differently so sometimes they forget deals

[@cygnusx-1862]

Wth...Becca was supposed to not attack Jimmy.

[@JimFaindel]

I thought the correct play pattern with Giada is to never block and just keep accumulating bigger and bigger angels until noone can swing into you.

[@nickmitch1734]

It is. I don’t think Jimmy valued the counters giada gives enough in this game. He waited super long to cast her and didn’t even get to use her pump effect once. My buddy has a giada deck and if she sticks around the angels start to get huge fast

[@mofomiko]

yes, i too feel like there is lots of potential wasted here. she should come down early as a mana dork, and her "lord" effect is so much more than just that - and she herself isnt even required for it to be active after the buff

[@zenbear9952]

Yes you can easilly take damage because of all the life link and stuff angels have and giada makes them huge. Remember life is a resource spend it if you got it

[@RayearthIX]

Jimmy played the mono-white angel deck and cast 4 angels the entire game (2 of them his commander). I have no idea what else he had in hand, but having played mono-white angels many, many times myself (including that deck), I'm baffled.

[@wer227]

the deal was worded so that the banner survives and in return she wouldn't attack jimmy next turn at all, not just excluding the mauler, and then this... i know extra turns is more competetive but what in the ... was that oO

[@helderboymh]

That was a mistake, probably more time passed between the deal and the attack wich we didn't see. We can be pretty sure it's an honest mistake where both forgot because Jimmy also didn't bring it up.

[@trizkit995]

I can forgive it because it was a swing to total table lethal.she had the pathtovictory and shot her shot

[@Behmtastic]

​@trizkit995 it's been interesting to see a mix of people finding it acceptable to break the deal if it means winning the game. For me, it just becomes that person can't be trusted for any more deals in the future. With all that, though, it seems they all forgot from the time between shots.

[@jacobd1984]

@@BehmtasticWouldn’t it just mean the person can’t be trusted if lethal is possible? Why extend that suspicion to preclude any deal at all?

[@holoismywaifu9608]

@@jacobd1984 because if they draw into something that can make them win they will just break the deal. even if they are only in that position because the person they made a deal with honored their part of the deal.

[@LightswornMagician]

I knew which deck was gonna win this one the second I saw the theme, lol. That deck is crazy good.

[@ImmortalLorient]

It also helps that everybody was ganging up on the flip deck and leaving catdogs to just do its own thing most of the game.

[@ElScizor]

Seeing a deal broken like this does take away from the rest of the game, not gonna lie. Episode was a fun concept though!

[@SS4Inferno]

Unironically play the coin flip deck at my LGS, as is (unmodified). Can't wait to see how well it does here. I was already running a mono-white angel deck with Giada right before they announced the angel deck so I saw no need to get it.

[@SS4Inferno]

NOOOOOOO!!!!

[@Tuturial464]

@@SS4Infernoit’s a luck based deck. Makes you feel better look at the shuffle up and play video

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

21:40 I love how loud Jimmy was initially on the casting of Ondu Inversion, he was the least affected and than he was even louder when it was Negated ROFL, he had the most to gain. Although questionable on Olivia Negating the boardwipe when looking at the board, from experiences against the flip deck, it was the right call since Olivia basically had the flip engine on and a boardwipe against that deck is very vulnerable to boardwipes, she probably just needed one more turn BUT if she didn't it was a bad call LOL :P

[@cowman22ish]

Raining cats and dogs is honestly one of my favorite decks to play (other than maybe all the instances of +1/+0). But I'm really glad I picked it up

[@noahverstynen8091]

If Josh’s boardwipe would have gone through this whole game could have been different.

[@werevamp]

Becca is so crazy about wining, she immediately broke the deal she made with Jimmy at 23:00 Jimmy did kind of violate the spirit of the deal, but not the actual wording.. Shame on you Becca! Still love you for sticking your tongue out the with the dogs !

[@trollingsoul3386]

she miscalculated cuse she had leathal on all and prob forgot.

[@ivernedit]

@@trollingsoul3386 but would she have had lethal without the banner? Also think Jimmy griefed by not removing jetmir. His greed to think he could win a 1v1 with no board instead of a 3v1 was crazy to see.

[@pointless1194]

Jimmy doesn’t even use the face commander of the angels precon, then proceeds to only use Giada as a chump blocker..

[@gaz-l621]

And only blocking like 2 dmg a turn... just very odd decision making

[@knightofkyranic2451]

Jimmy letting Josh and Olivia die without actively having a board whip in his hand was a huge mistake, there’s no way he was going to stop Becca’s value engine with the little amount he had on his board.

[@kstephenson5857]

Not gonna lie, it felt like a “fun” play rather than a “good” play. But it sped the game up while being a funny move - there was little chance of stopping Becca anyways by that point, even with 2 more opponents

[@mofomiko]

@@kstephenson5857 i dont think you have either played with or against Naya. The precon runs literally 0 protection spells, its basically Timmys Fallacy incarnate. two, even one well targeted spot removal would have been sufficient. also, keeping the table alive for her to chew through a much bigger life total is a huge counter to aggro decks like this. the big misplay here was obviously the countered boardwipe, Raining Cats and Dogs absolutely folds to plays like that (like any no protection overextrending Naya deck does)

[@seanflanagan7200]

I don’t think Jimmy or JLK deck’s had a chance to really to show what they could do. I’d like to see this played again.

[@daledoire268]

That Card Kingdom commercial was the best commercial I’ve seen in a while- so funny, well done, and you made a good point about 50 packages.

[@commandcast]

Much appreciated!

[@cameronmadison1008]

Love seeing Becca back, she's such a dominant player. Also enjoyed how Jimmy has a functional mana base because someone else built it.

[@jetonbalidemaj]

What did jimmy do to that deck? All you have to do us play giada as soon as possible then a bunch of angels

[@TR1STR1]

Can we talk about how much the production value and editing has increased in this video alone? Great channel

[@HonkLord]

Game intro starts at 4:03, game starts at 6:24.

[@su0tin731]

Becca came with a sharp dagger to the game. Not attacking for one turn?? Yeeeeaaah.... suuuuuuuure.

[@vikinghelmet3466]

Olivia makes bad threat assessment? Shocker.

[@Agaures]

What a fun game! Love to see Olivia and Becca on the show!

[@paintingwithatwistphiladel2538]

Fun Fact about the coin that came with the deck, it is technically not a legal coin cause it is weighted. Should not matter in most cases but did find it weird they did not check for them when they originally made the coin for the lair

[@DoubleOhSilver]

Doesn't really matter. People who play this deck always influence the flip anyway. Some guy I played against got like 8 flips in a row pretty consistently

[@lunatickgeo]

Does anyone know why in 21:15 why Jimmy blocked Kolvori instead of Kinnan or the Beast Whisperer? His Giada would have at least survived and taken out one of Josh's creatures.

[@matt-lang]

That ad in the middle that throws shade at TCGplayer hit home after they cancelled an order of mine 2 weeks ago due to "inventory issues" after the card increased in price lol

[@jazzyjay81]

Actually the face commander of the Angel deck was not Giada, but it was the vastly superior one.

[@steveo7844]

My favorite part of the ads in the beginning is its the perfect amount of time to refill and empty

[@ReptileNexus]

The Taurean Mauler would have the same ability as the Frenetic sliver. It says "All slivers" and the mauler counts as all creatures.

[@Strik3r1090]

Fun as always :) One bit of feedback for the editors: please can the buffed PT on cards be made easier to read? I don't know if it's the pixelated font or the colour choice but even in 1080p and theater mode I was struggling to read it. 👍

[@39josh05]

Built the coin flip deck the week before this one was spoiled mine is very similar but just as much fun

[@JokersAndVenom]

I also have the coin flip deck but its not the partners, its Yusri instead, every now and then i get Omniscience o winning flips.

[@39josh05]

@@JokersAndVenom that's who I built also and I mean I put the last card in before this was announced really annoyed me as there was a bunch of cards I missed and had to buy now

[@JokersAndVenom]

@@39josh05 i would definitely advise you put some lifelink on yusri so you dont lose life for the coin flips

[@mgarcia285]

That negate was filthy!!!

[@yuen4817]

I love a good precon game. They are all over the place and adds to the fun.

[@imaginationave3687]

16:17 was a missed opportunity, since you can stack The sliver's ability effectively infinite times. Imagine drawing all the cards you want with Zndrsplt all because of 3 mana.

[@Natedogg2]

This isn't Frenetic Efreet - the Sliver has to be on the battlefield when the ability resolves in order to flip (and after the first activation resolves, either it's exiled or in the graveyard, so the other activations wouldn't do anything). 0: *If this permanent is on the battlefield,* flip a coin. If you win the flip, exile this...

[@WayneyMTG]

Sweet game, love these decks, especially heads I win tails you lose, I don't own it but I always love a game where it's involved

[@ThisIsACommanderChannel]

I've played against all of these at some point in time, but it would be super cool to play against, and with, all 4 of them. Looking forward to this episode.

[@rahminh]

We need lady danger to come back and play!

[@deetrick02]

I like the way you showcase the cards at the center on older videos much better. Theyre easier to see

[@wcreative5889]

Fun episode! Too bad all of these decks are not accessible under $300 if that, you can recreate them for less but not in the art. The Dog/Cat sol ring is $50 lol

[@Hurricayne92]

I mean it is by far the most adorable Sol ring i have ever seen 🤣😝

[@Zoey587]

The best thing to do is build the cheaper version of the deck and save up for the fancy art (hint: the lands are under 5 each so they are the easiest to get first)

[@babaXIII]

MPC is the way to go for those honestly. Same card, but the art you love.

[@viperfangston4931]

Exactly! I want the cat and dog deck so bad but the price 🥴😭

[@samfaulconer4060]

I will always ride for you Becca Scott 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@jordanhansen5934]

Technically Becca broke her deal. She wasn’t supposed to send the Taurian Mauler at Jimmy. And yet she did anyway.

[@DeCode343]

The most insane event was Jimmy breaking his curse. Glad for him it's over now!

[@Vendettan]

That was the quickest commander game I’ve ever seen 😂

[@TheCoyote808]

Jimmy: ... to take advantage of what angles do best. Me, a Boros player: Swing for the darned fence from the sky? Jimmy: With a healthy life total... Me: Oh right, they do have a lot of lifelink...

[@kawaiiLorenz1995]

Now i know why Jimmy is so Familiar. He sang the full version of the Bacon pancake song back then! I just watched that video again. 🤣🤣🤣 It's been 11 years! 🎉🎉🎉

[@vladtodorov4665]

BEST JIMMY INTRO EVER!!!!!

[@Unyubaby]

Ah yes, I would love to play with a Secret Lair shown in this episode. Unfortunately because of certain wizards it's sold out.

[@Welverin]

6:13 Damn it, Josh! You are not the one playing the deck with Krark's Thumb!

[@danielmatacruz8775]

On the min 20, Olivia already has infinite mana with treasures and infinite card draw just activating the sliver continuously maintaining priority right?

[@kurowasanabe]

No, the sliver checks if it's on the battlefield before it flips every time and you put it in the grave if you lose the flip or exile it it you win. So you can activate it 400 times if you want, but only the first one will actually do anything.

[@cianlacy6515]

Josh saying “You were born cheering for my demise!” To Olivia was hilarious 😂

[@KunushiH]

Really cool episode! Thanks for showing them all against each other. The power/toughness on the creatures on the side was impossible to read :(

[@Z3R0SAMA]

I have the cute to brute deck! Good to see someone else play the deck!

[@ashjamben]

Nature’s Lore not fetching Jetmir’s Garden?

[@1ntegrator]

Not sure it’s in the precon

[@ashjamben]

@@1ntegratorYeah, Jetmir’s Garden is in the deck, very much on theme!

[@romanwalat122]

You could shoot the Serenity angel with Rin and seri, recast the Jetmir and swing for the win :-)

[@diegoblin9090]

Love how every one has 4 mana by turn 3. That made the game very fast and interactive

[@Hurricayne92]

"It's me Josh when did I ever play Magic correctly" - OGH 2024 I mean she has a point 🤣

[@Kjos_jax]

Question about the heads I win tails you lose deck. Each of the partner commanders has a triggered ability of flipping until you lose. Meaning if you lose, someone else wins, which would trigger the other abilities such as drawing a card yes? You have someone else call it while you flip and then reveal the result, having of course a 51/49 heads to tails ratio. It never ends with nothing happening as someone, even if it isn't you, will have won the flip. So she would draw a card... am I missing something?

[@joshuaseidnitzer6766]

Jimmy is the king of second place

[@LypticDragon1]

Honestly miss the regular precon vs precon episodes. Just seemed fitting to use the set's face decks. Helped to see what they could do in an actual game before buying

[@ovelhadogelo]

Welp, that was a match. I usually play those videos in background while I work but I could barely touch the canvas, and then it ends. Cool, now run it back!

[@JoeTheMagicGatherer]

🔥🔥 I'm in Vegas with Bobby Maximus for IBJJF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP! 🔥🔥 We are both huge Magic players and are pumped for this new episode!!! 😁🤙😁🤙

[@cell7514]

“Let’s get REN and SERIous”

[@maddoraptor]

It's raining cats, dogs, and bits! Great episode!

[@breathofire1449]

24:32 Becca can't be trusted. She broke her deal w/ Jimmy. Did this affect the outcome? Doubt it. But when you make a deal, keep it.

[@Jive.]

I'd love to see Josh utilize maskwopd nexus & rooftop storm in a deck. The amount of draw that man loves would pair well with casting all your creature spells for 0 mana.

[@krotchy6667]

Damn that Jetmir was brutal!

[@JWAL1983]

I have the coin flip pre con. It's soooo much fun

[@RM_3D]

Didnt Jimmy make a deal to not get attacked the next turn if he didnt get the vanquishers banner?

[@helderboymh]

Yes he did.

[@maidenless_tarnished]

I like to have the color of the commander I'm flipping for determine the winning side. Feels more thematic that way

[@Bonkers2]

I feel like there have been a lot more than 4 secret lair decks 😂

[@JovialRoger]

I don't know if it's a colorblind thing or you'll be getting this feedback from other viewers, but I cannot read the power or toughness on the creatures

[@Silver_Wiskey_Stones]

7:34 I can think of other greats who have used their tongue to gain power. Becca is just the Michael Jordan of MTG.

[@scarfhat1]

Wasnt even aware that there was a rin n seri secret lair deck. Kinda glad i didnt know lol. I might have made a decision I regretted had i known

[@101Meeko101]

the pawsitivity in this video

[@mRboylls]

Idk if it actually happened this way but the thumb deck seems like a case where the mulligan rule can be abused since that card changes that deck so much. Not usually a problem though I’m sure.

[@style0vertalent191]

Man I'd still love to get my hands on the Angels Deck but the price is so absurd at this point, never gonna happen.

[@muhamadkhairulfaiziwahab]

Fr I want a Giada deck too as my first commander but angels like Avacyn cost a lot

[@justaperson5092]

It's not that amazing, you can probably build a better one than the precon pretty easily.

[@style0vertalent191]

@@justaperson5092 True but I really like the theme. I'd also use the face Commander and see if I can add some stuff to get both out together more frequently. There must be something to make that happen right. After beeing away from MtG for a very long time I really lack knowledge about many many cards. I think with Angels and Dinos both it's more like wanting it for the flair rather because it was so powerful, though. ^^

[@style0vertalent191]

@@muhamadkhairulfaiziwahab I don't even want her as my Commander to be honest. Many people do that but she will always be one of the - or even THE - primary target for all hate at the table. Having her as a living mana rock is always nice but yea... For me the Commander duo is the main reason why I want this deck, flair-wise. I mean I'd have to upgrade it here and there anyways. There must be something to get both of them out together more frequently right. You're right about Avacyn. Luckily I still have her and some other amazing Angels from back in the days. Probably I will build the deck myself and find out about useful improvements and replacements on the way. :)

[@travisbruton3356]

This is exactly how i would expect the turns to go after the failed board wipe

[@jayslay12334]

ITS TED WONG! wheres the rest of the crew? Brian? Ki? and is that Jenny Matrix? 🤣🤣 Love you jimmy! miss video game high school!

[@Rudy-du2mt]

becca was a great guest!

[@RybackStun]

Loved the energy of this episode. Did not expect Becca's power turn! Really need to break that deck out sometime and ACTUALLY play it. 😄

[@a_y0575]

Good Episode Fun to watch 👍

[@ryantomczak2248]

Olivia could have activated Frenetic Sliver any number of tomes to draw more cards. This is because you can activate it in response to its own ability.

[@helderboymh]

She can activate it any number of times but when the ability goes to resolve it only flips a coin if the sliver is still in play.

[@ryantomczak2248]

@@helderboymh I now realize it is not the same as Frenetic Efreet. My mistake.

[@PerfectSevenMTG]

Babe wake up, another Extra Turns just dropped!

[@ivernedit]

broken deal is kinda cringe

[@lVideoWatcherl]

Absolutely

[@ivernedit]

@@lVideoWatcherl seems like even Jimmy forgot which is strange since they literally just made the deal. How did both players forget?

[@bellbilly32]

@@iverneditI guess since she had lethal on Olivia and JLK the deal was changed to instead she wouldn’t kill Jimmy. They do cut out a lot of talk so it’s possible Jimmy okay’d it and we just didn’t hear it.

[@Mindscape6]

Technically, Becca said she wouldn't attack "this turn". It was Jimmy's turn. Since Jimmy used trickery with his side of the deal, I'm calling it even.

[@RasmusVJS]

@@ivernedit The videos are edited. There was presumably a long time span between when the deal was made, and when the attack happened, so by then they'd both forgotten that a deal was made.

[@ondraprinc7252]

Olivia…why that Negate?? I thought that through out the years of playing, you should know, that Becca’s board state was huuuge problem for all of you and Josh was really aware of that, so he was willing to sacrifice all of his creatures to save your’s asses😅🙏 from my perspective, that was little bit rookie move🤔

[@DanielHorn-u8i]

not a little bit, olivia is trash at the game

[@babaXIII]

Usually regularly bullies others during her games by being extremely aggressive and using demeaning language. She is terrible at the game, will point fingers at others constantly and whenever you remove anything on her board she acts up. She's easily one the worst Magic-tubers despite how she portrays herself regularly. Like, i used to love watching her content, but her passive-aggressiveness regarding the Sol Ring debacle and the way she acts has completely ruined my image of her. But I'm probably just a "hater".

[@DanielHorn-u8i]

@@babaXIII she is the reason i cant watch commander at home, love kibler but cant stand her guts

[@SalemWitchTrials2103]

Some of the replies to this comment are just being spiteful and hateful for no reason, why are they hating someone’s guts despite them not doing anything wrong + not knowing anything?? Anyways, the reason she negated the spell wasn’t anything to do with playing like a rookie, but moreso because she also had a very good board and some of her best cards on the table, it would’ve been as stupid not to counter it as it would have been to counter it

[@DoubleOhSilver]

​@@babaXIII that just adds some spice to the game. If everyone just did the obvious good move all the time, it'd be pretty boring and no different than playing against bots. Finger pointing is part of the game, convincing others someone else is more of a problem.

[@NimroDead]

7:05 could've gotten jetmir's garden though

[@Chaoslorden]

Man that Angel deck needs more angels haha. I know the struggle with that deck. Alot of energy goes into getting the deck to function (ramp, draw, removal) that there's often too few angels on the board.

[@HydraSperati]

I just ordered the Astarion secret lair drop today, and man was that painful

[@themantyf1116]

Jimmy only saving himself surprised me (I was convinced he had a wrath for it), but thinking more it was the safer bet, he just wasn't in an overall good position either way. It does make for a memorable moment, though. I only have a question about the sliver: can you stack multiple activations of the ability? The last one will be the one to determine it's fate, I just wonder if you can still use the others on the stack to flip more coins.