Which Should You Buy Honda Navi Or Grom ?

[@rolandjosef7961]

If you already have a big motorcycle, the Navi is the best 2nd bike. I love the Navi and its bags integrated.

[@devilboy251]

I own 2 groms and a navi. Grom 3rd hens are better than the navi. You still have to have a motorcycle license to ride the navi. And at max 45-50 mph it’s not bad. It’s super cheap controls and dash compared to the grom. Grom will do 60 mph and gets there faster. The main issues are can you do a clutch? How much money do you have? And what speeds will you be doing most in your area? Navi is 1/2 the cost of a grom. Is slower and get up to speed slower. And for newbies no clutch is a plus but you have to have your motorcycle license still. So up to you.

[@usernameisusername]

I ride mine all the time without a license

[@dr.rubbertoe7318]

@@usernameisusername lol, just get a learner permit forever

[@swerne01]

Great video. You stick to the subject and make the differences clear and easy to understand.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Really appreciate it! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼

[@BlackNAVYAmericanVET]

Navi is a super nice ENTRY BIKE . A starter bike for “all ages “ …..we know it’s cheap. That’s the point. It’s fun . I’m Gen X , and it’s my starter into bike .

[@bloodcell6282]

Same

[@PackMan13x]

That's a terrible starter bike. It's a scooter shaped like a motorcycle and doesn't teach you much at all about riding a motorcycle. It's a toy, not a first motorcycle.

[@cb3391]

I've owned 8 honda motorcycles, I'm an old honda man , from 78 The Navi is just good ole fun!👍

[@PalestineParalell]

Same here 57 & I just purchased a grom knock off .. I don’t know the difference but I’m learning I APPRECIATE THE TIME he took ,, and my clone is CVT too as well. .. tops out at 60 miles a hour .. don’t know that I need or want much more speed but I wouldn’t mind a couple mods for handling performance .. and aesthetics

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

That's amazing! Ride safe! What's the brand name of the one you got? I never rode a motorcycle yet so I really like the idea of these small bikes. Any tips or advice too please? ​@@PalestineParalell

[@edwardalarie443]

Great video. I just picked up a 2023 Grom. I love it.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it! They are a blast! Got plenty of mod vids 😎🤘🏼

[@nathayes123]

Great video explaining the pros and cons of both minimotos. I'm probably getting a Navi initially since I'm a new rider - maybe the Grom later after I get a better feel for handling the bike. Thanks for the excellent info!

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching! And welcome to the moto community my friend! 😃🤘🏼

[@bradkirby9071]

Just bought a Navi and I like it, I do have a Goldwing so kind of one extreme to the other. You did a great job on the video ! I will start watching the others.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Really appreciate it Brad! Sounds like you got your bases covered on bikes😎 Ive let so many people try my navi I definitely sold a couple lol. 🤘🏼

[@gammalgubbestorstadshoodie9148]

Honda Grom is my motorcycle of personal choice if i got to pick one of these two motorcycles in this KZbin video!

[@inseasonandoutofseason]

Thanks for the vlog!. I bought this ABS Grom in April, I am not gonna put any mods on it - way too expensive for the little gain. I think I may sell it and get a kawasaki klx 300 SM as I miss the easy of being able to get on the interstate vs the Grom. Probably best to call the Navi/GROM "minibike" vs "bike" as it is not meant to be a regular sized motorcycle to go 60 MPH. I had an 798 cc motorcycle before the GROM & this minibike has potential to be more deadly at higher speeds imo on busy streets as the steering is not too forgiving, esp if u hit even small bump. Both these minibikes are made very well. Honda does a great job! Reply TID to this comment if u want me to (take it down) peace!

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Oh for sure! These minimotos are definitely not ment for interstate travel. Having owned 3 supermotos they are blast. The klx 300 sm looks like a really fun bike! We had a crf250l supermoto conversion and now have the crf450l and xr650l both supermoto conversion. They are a blast in the twisties! To be honest I dont know if the klx 300 SM will excel at interstate travel. Definitely will have the speed but will be pegging it out pretty far for extended periods of time. Tht being said overall its a excellent choice. Heres a video I thought you might find helpful and brings up some good points on the klx 300 but dont be Swede as his vids tend to be negative. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfFhnZ6ptuDpdE He is pretty negative on the bike but i still think its a killer bike. Much better for riding in group with bikes, better made than the drz 400 and fuel injected. If you do decide to make the switch supermotos do hold their value quite well! Appreciate you watching and hope you find the right bike for you!

[@inseasonandoutofseason]

@@Floatsorrolls1 Thanks for your reply, I have watched a lot of videos on the klx 300, it wouldnt be my first choice, but the DRZ seat height is 36, klx is like 35, im only 5 7 a nd i need a lighter bike these days. I absolutely love the DRZ though, but no way i could get it to sag for it to work plus the price tag is ridiculous in comparison. I only meant "POP" onto the interstate vs ride all day long....i mainly in town, just sometimes its nice to "pop" on for the next exits. HA HA, the GROM - I knew when I traded for it I wouldnt be able - but, now I'm missing that option.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

@@inseasonandoutofseason right on! I honestly would take a klx 300 over a drz. Our buddy had a drz and he had alot of issues with his and he bought it brand new. (Subframe cracked from poorweld wasnt dropped, burned oil and shift shaft seal leaked)

[@daveallen2455]

Nice explanation on both bikes. I'm 60, and all the sudden have a fascination with small Honda bikes. I have a Honda Passport and Trail 110 at the moment. Looking for my next toy. :-) Great video !!!!!!

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it! Trail 110 is very cool! Can never have too many toys! Thanks for watching and good luck on finding your next mini moto😎🤘🏼

[@darth_birb6614]

I'm going to college in a next semester and I would love to save up and buy a navi. I like that the bike is dirt cheap and the insurance reflects that low price tag. I'm okay with dealing with a carb because im gonna get my dad's 05 harley night train and it is also a carbed bike.

[@leon323]

Love my Navi ! I was going to get a grom but for the price I was better off getting something different.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Navi is definitely sweet! Groms are a little bit more pricey and modded with quality parts can get you into the price range of some bigger bikes for sure. I knew tht going into it and really happy with it but completely see wht you mean. 😎🤘🏼removing the linked foot brake on the navi was by far my favorite mod for navi. Thanks for watching!

[@hupomeno9035]

Thanks! Appreciate your time and advice. God Bless in Jesus's Name.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Wow! Thanks man! Appreciate it and glad to help!😎🤘🏼 let me know wht you end up with my friend!

[@jacklee6224]

Like the honest feedback. Nice job. Thanks!

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it and thanks for watching!!😎🤘🏼

[@MyOreo8]

Great Video, just got the Navi and gonna get a Grom after the winter. There's some biking trails in my community that the navi is perfect for since its quiet and slower. The Grom is gonna be great to rip around town in and probably safer on the main roads.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it and You nailed it! Sounds like youll be getting the best of both worlds! Both fun in different environments and purpose!

[@edgarcastro4421]

I would say sure the groms quality is nicer than the navi, however the performance is not twice the price nicer (it only goes 5-10mph faster). Especially since the groms price tag is approaching full size used bikes with much more to offer. In my opinion with all things considered the Navi is the most sensible pick.

[@jaredperez506]

Solid video. Thank you

[@alexanderjamezz]

Great video thank you for the insight brotha!!

[@gordo66061]

Id like to have a grom or navi but im a big guy so i dont know how one would do .I'm 6,4 around 240 pounds.I was thinking about getting ine to ride to work,i only drive about 10miles both ways

[@Floatsorrolls1]

What is speed limit on road you would commute on?

[@gordo66061]

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[@adamrobinette6832]

I picked the Navi for 3 reasons, as I live in a downtown area. 1. No shifting 2. Fuel economy 3. Crazy storage. Not to mention that, for a slow bike once at speed, it's 0-30 acceleration is shockingly punchy pretty much for most rider sizes. I'm 245lbs, and it takes off and runs right up to 30 before I know it. I think, with acceleration, the weight of the rider really comes into play once you pass 40- 45 mph. Before that though, it hardly seems to matter. I probably need to be at 50 mph less than 5% of the time. It may not be a 'fast' bike. But for my purposes it's absolutely a quick one. I see some downing the Navi because it's technically a scooter but you still need a motorcyclist license. Not sure about everyone else's states, but Maryland has a fast track program for people they know damn well have been riding for a bit, and aren't licensed. You can show up and take the knowledge and skills test same day.

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

Hey sorry I am new to motorcycles, how do they get the bikes if they don't have a license? Can you just buy it online without a M license? And then they just ride it anyways and hope they don't get caught? What happens if you get caught lol 😂 pls bro let me know Im gonna get the license anyways but I gotta know cus my eBike broke and getting to work is hard without a real ride

[@adamrobinette6832]

@@pharaohsmagician8329 You can buy a motorcycle without a license. You just need to have it delivered to your house, or truck it away yourself.

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

@@adamrobinette6832 okay thanks!! I'm buying a cheap used one off Facebook just something to last until i save up enough to buy a more reliable new bike

[@TheMrjetdoc35]

Awesome comparison! Thanks for the info

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼

[@ridendrive]

In your honest opinion, do you find that the Yosh exhaust and DHM tune offered enough of a performance boost to justify the cost of those items?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

I would definitely do it again but its hard to say. My goal with the bike is having something zippy enough to get around and fun to go through twisties. It definitely helped but honestly comparable to the gains of swapping to a 14th front sprocket. That is the best bang for your buck on this bike. I experienced no loss in top speed and big boost in acceleration. For me if your going for performance alone i wouldn’t justify the cost. Its was noticeable but not night and day like some of the bigger toys. I like the looks of the yoshi and just want something really nice since i know im keep the bike a long time. Honestly unless your going big bore or something extreme the power gains arent huge for this bike. With huge gains like big bore kits you definitely jeopardize reliability from what ive seen on forums. That why i did just intake, tune and exhaust. Keep it near stock reliability while getting the most out the stock motor. A cheaper exhaust can perform just as well but if your content with the power of the bike and going for power alone id say save your money. Hope this helps out my friend🤘🏼😎 let me know if yah got any other questions!

[@gsxr419]

I bought my '22 Navi with 91 miles on it for $1400. I couldn't buy a used '22 ruckus for less than $2-2500. Having owned both the Navi is worlds better. Can't beat them for the money.

[@jgeph2.4]

$1400? I’m having a hard time believing that .

[@gsxr419]

@@jgeph2.4 I don't care what you believe as long as it's sitting in my garage and my wallet is 14 less.

[@jgeph2.4]

@@gsxr419 lol ok then

[@Floatsorrolls1]

$1400 is a killer deal! They are out there but not easy to find! You got lucky for sure! They average used 1,800 to 2000 around me!

[@gsxr419]

@@Floatsorrolls1 I couldn't turn it down for that. It needed a couple cosmetic items, the plastic guard covering the muffler and for some reason the mirrors were gone but the oem stuff cost less than $30.00. I couldn't turn it down. I was going to flip it but it's just too fun.

[@metro8146]

So true the battery same problem thank you bc I was wondering the same thing

[@Shadowfeaux]

Why not both? lol. I already ride a CBR650R. Gf got interested in learning to ride, so I got her a '24 Navi and myself a '25 Grom. lol. Both are fun little whips.

[@cb3391]

54, retired, 5'9" 260 lbs., $2030 out the door, I Love my new navi Save d 4k over the bloated price monkey! and my mods for tha navi will be minimal investment, for maximum fun. Love my Navi.

[@allie2627]

Hi: I am new to riding motorbikes had a z3 for a while but that’s an electric moped essentially. I don’t plan on taking this on the freeway more of a commuter bike. I am in between a 1800-2000 priced Navi 2023 basically new 181 miles garage stored. Or a 2017 grim for 2400obo with 1200 miles…

[@allie2627]

Wait lol, which one is a better buy? Grom?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Tough decision no doubt. If you plan on doing power mods to the navi. The grom will be faster no matter what u throw at the navi. The navi storage is super convenient for commuting. If you like the simplicity of gas and go with the z3 the navi is nice. The grom lacks storage but nothing a backpack cant fix. Cant go wrong either way. 2017 grom is fuel injected making it nice long term. Navi will have carb issues every 5-10 years just natural of carbs to be finicky from time to time. Usually just unclogging jets or draining bowl. Nothing major. Both are great bikes. Hope this and the video helps you make your decision! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼

[@hupomeno9035]

Bro, im trying to commute about 10miles out to work and would be taking the streets. can the Navi hang..and is it able to cut to the front in a red line and still take off fast enough?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Got some questions whts ur weight? How fast is the road? And are planning on modding at all?

[@hupomeno9035]

@@Floatsorrolls1 I am 220. Roar is 45. It's a small city street in Los Angeles . I want to mod.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

@@hupomeno9035 acceleration will be slow out the gate stock and to quiet to be noticed moving in traffic(as a safety concern in my opinion). Definitely would need a exhaust to be heard for riding in traffic. Intake will help improve acceleration too. 220 isn’t heavy for this bike but will affect acceleration. If its only 10miles mostly flat i think it’d be a perfect cheap toy to do small commutes like this. Flat ground acceleration should be fine on 45mph roads but if its hilly it might lead to people tailgating. The acceleration with just the intake was pretty good with me on it on our 45mph main road that had lots of stop lights( was perfect) but the hilly backroads of 45mph around me the bike just doesnt have the pick up since people like to do more than speed limit. If its flat roads navi can hang if its pretty hilly you take the risk of people coming up on you. Make sure you have a goood lock and or a safe place to store it because these things get stolen like hotcakes. Its crazy how many ive seen reported stolen. They are light enough for two people to throw in a truck. Just thought id add tht. Hope this helps you out and if you got any other questions feel free to ask! Thanks for watching!

[@hupomeno9035]

@Floatsorrolls1 Where is the best place to purchase the mods? And is it something that easy to do myself? Do you think a GROM would be more suited for my cause? Thank you for your time, and we'll thought out answers.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

@@hupomeno9035 no set site is best but i like revzilla.com, Rockymountainatv.com, mnnthbx.com(based in cali), and tst industry. I think if you appreciate any sort of power and dont see huge advantage in the storage box long term you’d be happier with a grom. More power stock than the navi will have not matter what mods you throw at it. More stuff you can do to it and if your looking to get possibly a bigger bike down the road it drive much more like a motorcycle. Wont be a worry about keeping up with traffic too. Both are cool and hold their value great but would personally feel more comfortable in traffic on a grom. Having power is nice when u need it to get around someone. It your not interested in upgrading one day to a big bike and like no shifting i think either option would suit your needs as long as navi is modded and terrain is mostly flat🤘🏼😎

[@TreenighetMaranata]

What do you think, is Honda Monkey more for whom?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

I think the Honda monkey is for more of a mature audience that likes the vintage looks. Most guys that are into the monkey remember having one long ago or reminds them more of the mini bikes they had as a kid. The grom is basically the monkey just differing cosmetically. so based off the video is will be for someone whom is more interested in the grom but prefers the looks of a monkey.

[@notpablo8369]

mine would be the navi, but i really wished it came with disc brakes front 😁

[@MaynorDecena]

Do you know when honda will make a navi 125cc or 150cc

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Haven’t heard any speculation on this yet. Will make a video if is see anything promising up come up!

[@MChauNsd]

The Grom is manual only or is there an auto version of it? The Navi is automatic since it uses a scooter motor right?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Correct grom is manual with a clutch and navi automatic with a cvt. Neither one has a option to be auto for grom nor manual for navi

[@TychThreeg]

​@@Floatsorrolls1groms are manual with gear shiftting

[@dennisbedford6314]

I bought both

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Cant go wrong if you got both! 😎😎

[@ghostJC1126]

I love these mini bikes, but you guys have some balls. The older I get, it just doesn’t become worth it. Especially here in Texas, these drivers hardly pay attention and I’d just be too paranoid.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Completely understand! Appreciate you checking out the video!😎🤘🏼

[@jettschenker]

If Honda would simply make the Navi an EFI I'd pick one up.

[@kevinnielsen1356]

Hi folks. Do yourself a favor and check out the Benelli TNT135. Way better suspension then the Grom, and less expensive. I bought one new in 2020, it has 12,000+ miles on it with zero problems. The TNT135 looks much better also.

[@carlhillman2326]

didnt see ya at SMSBR man or I would have said what up. That night ride was nuts though wasn't it? lol

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Heck yah it was! I sat it out cuz I wanted to see how crazy it got but will for sure be in it next year! Was awesome still seeing it from the sidelines. Looking forward to next year! Hope we see you there man!!

[@carlhillman2326]

@Floatsorrolls1 oh we will be back for sure. Southeastern Indiana will be well represented lol. Definitely some of the best riding roads down there for sure. Seeing that many mini bikes in one place was insane!

[@sdaiwepm]

The Navi is basically a “scooter” that looks like a motorcycle, is that right?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

the navi is the coolest looking scooter I ever seen lol but yea it is. no gears, twist and go and solid storage!

[@timothyarnold1679]

The Grom is the better bike. Its priced like it is as well. I bought a Navi used for 1200$, gonna ride it until I get comfortable with the idea of a little bike, then move up.

[@geraldscott4302]

I can't ride either one of them. The seats are too high. I had to give up my Yamaha XT225 dual sport bike because I could no longer get on or off the seat without standing on something. Once on I was fine. I have 125cc and 200cc scooters with 32" seat heights, I can get on those because they are stepthroughs, I just step across the low floorboard, and then with both feet on the ground, slide back on the seat. I also have a 2006 Harley Sportster 1200 that I have no problem riding, because it has a 25" seat height. It seems ridiculous that such small bikes have such tall seats. I sat on one of those Chinese Coleman mini bikes, and had no problem. Unfortunately they are not street legal. Why can't someone make a street legal small bike with a much lower seat?

[@3katd]

How tall are you? I’m 5’4 and I didn’t sit on one but the seats did seem quite tall.

[@geraldscott4302]

@@3katd I'm 5'11". But I'm 64 and have bad knee and hip joints. Can't get my leg over high seats anymore.

[@NatsumeKonno]

If you strip the navi to the frame its a scooter. It make sense as the engine is at the back and all that space up front.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

The navi is absolutely a scooter with the appearance of a motorcycle. I think tht is much of what makes the navi cool its got the simplicity and ease of operation of a scooter with the styling of a motorcycle. Its neat for those who are intimidated by the clutch and/or not have the desire to travel above 45mph. Both are cool options but provide for a completely different riding experience.

[@NatsumeKonno]

@@Floatsorrolls1 would be nice if they have a navi that can hit 60mph. I myself own an electric maxi scooter love the tallness of it feels like an adventure bike. I started on the grom and feel like it should be automatic.

[@brentcollins9727]

With all that money spent on the Grom, especially to make it faster, do you ever wish you had just gotten the CB300R?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

I am absolutely satisfied with the grom. It’s gonna be a little different situation person to person but for me personally. I have a 450supermoto for aggressive canyon riding, a fz07 for higher speed cruising bike and the grom for around town and messing around with buddies tht have grom. I take the grom to run quick tasks and when i just wanna put around. If i had one bike maybe id say otherwise but for my use case i have zero desire for more power or anything else to replace it. If its your only bike and plan on riding with others that have bigger bikes than a grom might not be as fun. If you plan on rocking solo or with other mini bikes, dont have a desire for highway travel and not hungry for power. These bikes are great! All a matter of use case! Hope this helps and thanks for watching let me know if you got any other questions!

[@brentcollins9727]

@@Floatsorrolls1, thank you so much for that insight.

[@kennyhelms277]

Dude, is that tva racoon mountain?

[@Floatsorrolls1]

No its local to me here in Cincinnati, Ohio. East fork lake

[@M00nshine12]

I was told the navi gets over 110 mpg, but I did not research. Just saw from another person's video review. Also, no one cares about looks or at least I don't

[@Floatsorrolls1]

@@M00nshine12 the gas tank is smaller than 1 gallon thats why the range is lower and definitely less with mods and based on weight of cargo and rider. Looks are subjective but i like how they look and is high on my list. Look good feel good ride good lol.

[@ernestososa2892]

Buy a Honda grom it is way better and worth the money. Also the community and add ons. If not a clone of a Honda grom will work well depending on the company. I have a lifan grom clone. It is a better bike without the heartache of the other clones. Does start up like a Honda.

[@phoenixarizona8441]

The Navi is a grom with a scooter setup

[@RasmussenF83938]

Huge price difference.

[@themechanic4222]

Problem need motorcycle drivers license to ride this toys 🧸

[@gennadigevorgyan4867]

Neither

[@ceestone1]

both of these bikes are over price junk get a lifan kp mini 150cc will dust these bikes and ez to upgrade the price kills both period LIFAN KP MINI IS KING OF MINI BIKES PERIOD

[@Floatsorrolls1]

I wouldn’t classify either of these bikes to be overpriced junk. The grom quality is better than the navi but neither lacked my expectations nor do they lack compared to the lifan(atleast to the ones ive seen). Been really happy with both bikes. Ive seen a couple of the amazon bikes you mentioned and heard pretty good things about them but would still stick with one of these personally. Nothing against them but heard some states can be a hassle to tag them and you have to do a couple things to get them reliable. Thts just what i heard but not dissing them they are cool and amazing to get a bike tht cheap and delivered to your door is wild 😂 would love to hear your input/experience on tagging them and wht u have to change out the box?

[@metro8146]

Thank will check it out

[@CCP600]

You made my decision easy, I’m definitely stealing a grom.

[@tomriddle5564]

Neither one I suggest instead get what I ride. 1985 ATC250R. Plaster a Smile on your face you can’t remove.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Lol i bet! Not street legal though. Three wheelers have to be riot.

[@captainthruster9484]

This is like saying… Should you buy a Porsche, or a civic🙄 these are not in the same category. The navi is a straight scooter.

[@Floatsorrolls1]

I mean my grom is fancy but not Porsche fancy lol. They are both mini motos. Popular with new riders and have similar looks. Both are cheap toys to ride around. Depending on the riders goal civic might accommodate them better with extra storage and smooth cvt transmission. While some looking to do more than cruise and carry groceries might be more entertained by the sheer arm ripping power and improved handling of something more. Just kidding the power isn’t that much different navi vs grom 😂.

[@kevincrownover4229]

Ktm Duke 390!

[@Floatsorrolls1]

Very cool bike as well! Was in between tht bike or my fz07 back in 2016 when they were close in price. Ktm 390 steals the cake in terms of looks though.