Which Survivors Do I HATE Fighting The Most?

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

Same with the Hunter Tier List, please keep in mind this tier list is just for fun! No hate to any of the of the players of these characters at all. A good amount of my complaints are probably just "skill issue" moments as well.

[@LuchinosCat]

I miss when little girl could reset your attack animation... It was so funny when I was a hunter and she literally sabotaged her teammates accidentally

[@AA-bl1pe]

ahh yess do you also remember when the time people also cannot cancel her leech except herself too? good old time lol

[@stray_editori]

every hunter who carried blink: its free real estate. i kinda get why they did it, her skill is more delayed than other hunter atk recovery resets but i still think it's bit inconsistent that she displaces instead of reseting as the only one (i think).

[@SoloYtc]

39:58 The reason why she doesn't get any nerfs is because shes actually quite balanced. She can use her catapults to make distance and waste time but those catapults can be broken which will leave her with nothing but her glider which makes her map dependant. Look at female dancer and toymerchant there quite similar in terms of item usage both can be used for kiting or supporting but for female dancers case she can still get items and kite with items while toymerchant cant but in exchange she can open chess faster and throw items at teammates for them to use so not only is she map dependant shes also survivor dependant since what survivors your teammates choose will decide if you can support them 100% since if your teammate chooses someone like acrobat then you can only support with only 50% of your power. Also Toymerchant actually takes skill to use since you need to know how to aim your catapult cause in mid chase the hunter will not allow you to use your aim button with catapult since they will be on you 24/7. If a toymerchant knows what she is doing she will get good results if she doesn't she will get bad results shes kind of a situational character but thats what makes her so balanced she cant be spam picked every time since hunters like geisha,mary,wu chang counter her while she counters naiad,bonbon,sculpture she has counters and she counters some hunters too She can provide some distance but in exchange her catapult is breakable she can open chess fast but in exchanhe she is left without any kiting abilities besides her glider. If you compare her to priestess then i would say shes quite balanced. But even tho this is coming from a toymerchant main i must say speaking from experience that she is definitely balanced theirs time where the hunter cant get me but other times where i couldn't even stall for 30s if a character is like that then i would say there quite balanced

[@Cyourix]

15:42 A lot of Priestess’s don’t support often, and I want to see that more. Like setting up portals for the person kiting, and knowing when to use that long portal.

[@danielorlovaquinn]

Ya like that is literally why she is so strong

[@stray_editori]

its bc when i try to people rarely notice hahah whoops. and yeah my long portal usage is rly bad tho, i have no game sense irt TvT

[@Cyourix]

@@stray_editori Ah hello again Stray editori! Its also the same for me😅I really try to, but they miss i

[@mlsborderland6647]

I want see more priestess in low tier use portals to trick hunter by using back portals to make hunter lose time TvT

[@sherripuchalsky3869]

@@mlsborderland6647 Sometimes low tier is, "Yeah! I finally saved up enough for Priestess! My first Echoes purchase. Why can't I use my Holy Key here? Not near object? What kind of object?" Let me add, even though there are plenty of servers for matches, I haven't found one available for "Practicing with Priestess". I literally did buy Priestess yesterday, though.

[@LeoPhoen11x]

38:50 As a Patient main and someone who has gone against other Patients, all I can say is that he is either chill to tricky or straight up "get out I'm not having fun anymore". The amount of crazy stuff you can do with him is just insane... except 90% of the time I go up against them they crash into a wall. It's pretty funny though. Anyways, this was fun to watch.

[@Clone_Center]

He’s super fun to play with psychologist. They’re really strong together, I love their dash

[@samuelolson677]

going to add that when a little girl leeches to a composer when composer decodes the little girl will not have a single collaboration to do, my team mate told me this about a month after they kept doing it to my composer and they said half the time they would go afk to get food since they would not get points deducted as long as they attached to me and i was decoding

[@Vionnea]

this happens with TME too! (although the chances are only lessened significantly, there are still times where she needs to do a callibration)

[@Cyourix]

2:36 Lawyers new buff is actually pretty good. People have gotten insane kites with his ne abilities.

[@rick30521]

Tbh I am too used to hitting near max range, so it's kinda annoying when you have perfect distance and he's just fast enough to not be hit. Especially through pallets.

[@sherripuchalsky3869]

If you're new and you try and search for a guide to playing Lawyer, well, I've never found a guide to actually playing Lawyer. What I do find is either "Never play Lawyer. This is all the guide you need." (older posts) or "Since buff, Lawyer is great decoder in the game and still a great kiter + map is great."

[@akishi1022]

They did aeroplanist so dirty with his “promo” like it was non existent practically

[@silviaiatco7568]

I just love how you left the Kiting Queen for the end (Enchantress) she was my first ever main and now i know how to raw kite so well with The mind's eye

[@Cyourix]

18:34 I have heard from a top Mechanic that they sometimes decode a cipher to 30% then drop the bot there, then transition to another cipher

[@Cyourix]

13:26 Its still quite easy to see him hiding, like in grass, or crowded corners. Most don’t know that being little gives them a speed debuff

[@lizardman7890]

As a Charles main, I feel like he's super underrated and needs more love, I bought his S skin and I don't regret it at all! It pains me to know that such an interesting character has been completely forgotten by the community. Btw, great video as always!

[@Cyourix]

4:50 I need to see more people using her bubble. They only use it for rescues but you should use it for transitioning through open area’s

[@michu193]

rite and the amount of times ive rescued by breaking chairs

[@poppy_9784]

Used my bubble once to shield from the damage done to the image you leave behind from priestess' portal The birth of a gardener main

[@michu193]

OMG I FORGOT ABT DAT but also when uur bubble is primed and they blink and they hit ur bubble@@poppy_9784

[@grimishangry]

i think i remember a time where hunters HAD to bring abnormal to fix broken chairs

[@Cyourix]

17:30 I mained Coord when it was the anniversary cause everyone was free, and I was able to raw kite so long. Her vaulting speed was so helpful

[@annimatics1465]

As a Person who encountered little girl attached to ex unicorn enchantress... i still have nightmares about it. but the worst match was vs the team of Seer, professor, little girl and i believe batter.... i surrendered because ganji was fucking everywhere. literally, i chase and survivor runs through the window, here he is standing right in front of you and throwing a damn ball. i chase someone again, here he is coming right at you out of the corner.

[@SarielsGrace]

I play little girl I usually kite for 2-3 ciphers and once I’m injured and know I cannot get away I will flywheel and attach to a teammate so the hunter cannot get a down… I don’t understand why people attach for no reason either.

[@suchalovelyfleeting1505]

I had the pleasure of playing against Ench with LG attached once. What is even worse, Ench was stacked already, since I was playing Alva. :_) This was so painful my soul actually hurt

[@stray_editori]

On Postman: funnily enough before a nerf / back around COA5 tourney iirc Postman was actually a very popular pick instead of a decoder because his decoding letter actually made up for the lack of a dedicated decoder while also not being as vulnerable as most decoders (or as vulnerable as they used to be lol - for ex. even prisoner stun only recharged within a connected cipher's radius). Back then Wick's radius was bigger too, and iirc he also lasted longer? Or maybe I'm confusing that with Acrobat bombs haha- It really makes you think about decoders in this game, especially considering having duo decoders was a meta at some point. Mechanic was meta too, while she's now barely used to guarantee ties and even then has sometimes been replaced with lucky guy (+ controller) lol. like you don't need decoders for cipher rush atp so the only decoders worth picking are decent kiters (like lawyer right now). I don't really know what approach would be good here... like I wanna say "make decoders worthwhile" but if they are you REALLY can't chase anyone else early game anymore because the cipher rush will be even more insane than it already is. This game is insanely difficult to balance imo despite being so formulaic (if you look over to dead by daylight for example, it has sooo many variables from generated maps to no communication if it's not a VC team to add-ons that change how killers/hunters work; so idk how anyone balances anything over there). Like it's so funny perceiving this curve (from experiences and others' comments) how hunters are overwhelming in low and peak tier, but in middle-ish tier it feels like most hunters are Not Having A Good Time. And then in tournament I also see 4Ks way less than I used to (I feel like). I've heard some say the sudden difficulty hunters feel in start of middle-ish tiers, is because the really experienced players hang out in middle tiers, but yeah- That of course makes it hard to balance because what is considered OP isn't at all consistent across the playerbase. and you gotta keep in mind keeping old players while also not making new players feel too frustrated on either side. And all that doesn't even go to mention the differences in server metas. ANYWAY I went on an essay lol- I just find balance so interesting. it's so difficult to discuss meaningfully though because netease never releases any data unless they're answering questions about specific characters in the Q&As lol (and even then they just say what the data shows without sharing it so welp). Okay I shush now.

[@stray_editori]

44:27 fully agree on cheerleader. who gave this character a long-distance support on top of a close support on top of borrowed time on top of kiting on top of supporting herself..... even the small movement buff she gives just by being cheering others.... bro. i dont want her to be nerfed before she even had a chance in tourneys, especially because her full potential is situational, which includes mostly being useless on other meta characters bc a lot of them don't have that long cooldowns or recharge their item instead of having a cooldown. for a nerf i think nerfing her kiting would be the best way to go as well simply bc it also helps her avoid a hit while supporting, so switching to her is often just hard/impossible on top of not ideal.

[@monomimoon]

Every single one of them(as a sculptor main)

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

I'm so sorry

[@Cyourix]

21:10 Knowing how to utilize that small speed buff, its actually very helpful.

[@Cyourix]

Female dancer is an insane kiter to go against early game. Her twirl and box buffs are just to insane

[@annimatics1465]

You can switch targets if you chase the doctor at the start of the game. You need to get a presence to unlock your abilities, you can let her go and let her save but hit her immediately and chase her instead

[@vroom9367]

As a little girl main, I normally only fuse with people to finish the last cipher. People don't trust the memory sync so most of our support is useless.

[@Sydney842]

This is such a real tier list, I feel u with lg. Ever since they took away her cancel attack recovery I've been suffering as hunter. Those damn pages. Also if you ever go against a good thief, run. My worst nightmare is a badged thief

[@rick30521]

I went against an S badge thief, he's indeed a nightmare to deal with, bc they'll somehow find a way to blind you even if you're not chasing them.

[@billie_eyelash7172]

Ench is basically a jack of all traits cause she can kite very long,use a 3 stack to rescue,supporting teammates but the one down side is that once you use a stun it takes longer and longer to gain another one so get a doctor to eat all the hits so you can gain stack much faster

[@mlsborderland6647]

When they dont stun attack recovery- ☠️

[@Maytel143]

Someone once told me during lobby that Aero is forgotten LG because he also farts his abilities lmao.

[@monomimoon]

Whos gonna be the ench i sync onto in the next stream guys?🗣️🗣️🗣️😁

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

:(

[@monomimoon]

@@ZeezVovGeeV :)

[@17TapWater]

moon out here ready to terrorize zeez

[@nova3078]

the thing with luca rescue n him not decoding is not rlly the best unless you're playing with your friends and you connect two ciphers your friends are working on while you go rescue, so they still get to cipher rush the hunter and he goes to help the chaired teammate!

[@bluberi6547]

Note for the little girl section that the reason some little girl players leach in the begining is because it gives a 70% decoding buff in case you didnt know abt that. I just learnt that pretty recently too though lol. As an ex lg main, I've never really leached onto someone so they could kite for me. I think I just use her for the pages. I am pretty low level though so don't take my experiences for actual facts. I just wanted to share a bit of my experiences as an lg player! Really find your vids fun and helpful!

[@sherripuchalsky3869]

I kind of wish people wouldn't just refer to a survivor as "lg" since it could be "lucky guy" or "little girl" and I often assume they are whining about the wrong one.

[@silviaiatco7568]

Wait... U FORGOT THE CHIPER RUSH QUEEN ! Justice for the mind's eye!

[@NaiadandLittleGirlmains]

Personally, I am a little Girl main and when you said little girl leeches on to Enchantress.... I could never fight that!! 😂

[@jinxiwix]

27:05 If a little girl is connected to a survivor while they’re decoding, it gives them a decoding buff

[@Danger-1510]

Oh yeah time to see how you'll deal with Painter🎉❤

[@PoeticDream]

Honestly, if you play breaking wheel, enchantress is quite useless. I love when she stuns me in wheel and it does nothing lol, but then again, every character has counters and when i see that f4king Toy Merchant as Wheel, i just scream. She just always finds perfect times to glide or place that catapult. Her stupid catapult can make you stuck in short places, because it is an obstacle. And while spinning you cannot break it as well. And then she just waits on the other side of catapult and when you spin back to go around or go off of wheel, she flies away and makes your kiting longer because then you have to catch her again and if you are out of wheel, you need to wait to activate it again. So yes, it depends on hunter you play. So usually when i play wheel, I ban her, because priestess is also counterable by wheel, i can just spin throug portal. But toy merchant...ugh...

[@Monokirb]

mind eyes can actually be really good at kiting, because she can see hunters through walls

[@stray_editori]

6:50 i actually remember someone camparing a 3 box female dancer to minds eye decoding a cipher (back when tme actually had the fastest decoding lol) and iirc it was almost even but the time it took to place and pick up the boxes made that undone. so yeah. if its about last cipher or sth it could help out but otherwise she wastes a lot of the time she gains with box logistics lol

[@poppy_9784]

The last person who can't take Barmaid's drink is Minds Eye! :]

[@Cyourix]

7:35 Seer is a hit or miss for me. They usually cannot use their owls or kite so long and get 69 more owls.

[@LongingRegret]

It’s hilarious because when you meet one that can kite so long it just seems like they’re pulling owls on owls on owls. So many owls.

[@Cyourix]

@@LongingRegret oml ikr😭

[@lilpudding3428]

When you try clerk for the first time, I bet you’ll slay ❤❤

[@Cyourix]

5:56 They really are a hit or miss. They like over support and bully me the whole game, or mess up there lasso’s for a majority of the game

[@Slendermən]

You're very good for someone who hasn't been playing for long.

[@NerdyP]

When u are going against a forward, you can try to bait him from using his football with an emote. Making him think you’re picking the survivor up.

[@Cyourix]

20:09 You can bait his football with Emotes but a majority know how to avoid that

[@Al3naa]

We started idv at around the same time!! 😊

[@nightart9345]

Stoked to see how you like Postman and First Officer :v Edit: Yeah that's understandable lol

[@stevehi8677]

Least favorite survivor is the insta down at 10% decoded

[@destructedmind]

YESS ALMOST AN HOUR VIDEO

[@shipuku0305]

idk how but i got a c badge with aero, his jetpacks are like luchinos jumps, you need to aim the camera well to get good distance or turns. and when you press the jetpack icon, you can tap it while transitioning to get the jetppack boost quicker. but sometimes i accidentally press his hover . . . his hover has saved me a lot of times on chair, it also kinda pushes the hunter, i wish the hover lasted longer tho. aero gets countered by lots of the distance and ranged hunters.

[@vstro_i]

35:17 IS THAT WHY ITS SO HARD TRYING TO BADGE FOR HIM?! (crying as he’s my main)

[@Cyourix]

25:46 If they hadn’t given her that buff, she would literally be the hunters accomplice

[@Cyourix]

24:49 You can use it when rescuing to get closer to the chair

[@mionrose]

27:47 As a weepy main not that many people play him due to his play style but I absolutely HATE going against him because they’re always badges and whenever I do go against a weepy they tend to be a little try hard or they spam their rockets early game which is really bad because then he’s dependent on being raw, but then again this is my personal opinion but he’s really fun to play, and I like his skins a lot!

[@giauphan381]

You won't see many thief in rank, but if you do? Run, you are not the hunter in his eyes, you are the prey. Or he is a noob than ggez 🗿

[@ravenkat2050]

Oh that embarrassing moment I’ve been playing since 2017(?) and didn’t know half of this stuff and you have been playing for 3 months *falls off cliff* anyway the enchantress bit had me laughing. But strangely I do not struggle against enchantress that much. Oh and I have fought against an enchantress with a little girl attached? Hate to say it but chip hunters do so much damage and …maybe it’s the player? But I they don’t kite for long. The pages run out and either little girl pops off and runs away or enchantress falls and little girl gets damaged and can’t save. Anywho great video !

[@Cyourix]

3:43 I cannot kite with doc, because I love to get killed instantly from her slow interaction speed. And the hunter is just always on me like bruh

[@LavenderLifetime]

Nah cuz when I see some survivors I actually cry 😭

[@cornondacobcorn9248]

FR. 😭

[@SethUnwell]

I'll make some hunter mains either cringe or cry rn: Mid to late game, a last chair enchantress with little girl leeched, Lily cheering her on and TME decoding. Yes, it has happened, and no, you can't do anything about it because "it is balanced".

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

And they wonder why the hunter player base is small...

[@SethUnwell]

@@ZeezVovGeeV You are completely right. But once you get to unicorn and up the tables turn, there are too many hunters and too little survivors because most survivor players can't play well enough to get to high tiers, and most depend on teamwork, which most people don't think about and don't do, so although it is harder to play hunter, you can rank up easier, and then, from cyclops upwards, the hunter player base increases a lot and survivors become rarer, but the skill gap is enormous. While survivors can rely on teammates and get flat out carried, thus getting to high tiers without being able to kite, hunters can only rely on themselves, and they can easily wipe a whole 4 man comms team with their main because they could only rely on themselves. I think that to balance out the amount of hunter vs survivor players in lower tiers, they should make the low tier hunter experience better, maybe less competitive, or only allow low rank survivor players to buy only less powerful survivors... Idk man, this game is weird Currently, evil dragons take like 10 to 15 min to get one match while titans get almost instant matches.

[@PoeticDream]

​​@@SethUnwellwell my sabertooth matches take max. 5 seconds. But I'll be manticore very soon, so let's see then. But if I play survivor, mammoth time is just HORRENDOUS Yes I'm still in low tiers.

[@Cyourix]

1:03 Yeah, its hard to see what other item Lucky guy has in his pocket.

[@Cyourix]

9:59 oml Prospecters are usually such huge flops😭 They can get down instantly, cancel my atk recovery or ( idk )

[@izumiursa8927]

Two of my mains being in chill: >:D My main, Eli, being in 'I am not having fun': >>>>:D

[@Bossbaby-mq9xu]

As a thief main... I fear no man, but that bloody queen... She scares me.

[@PoeticDream]

Galatea also just spams statues on him. It's funny how I always cancel his torch with Galatea or Wheel.

[@Cyourix]

11:10 i think the main thing is to help survivors struggle from ballons

[@Cyourix]

23:18 Avoid the range of the dizzy effect and there shouldn’t be the delay thing. But its quite big range

[@akechibun]

As an Aesop main, yeah I agree with ur points ngl, I suppose the thing that makes Aesop annoying for most hunters is the fact that one second his coffin is right next to u but as soon as u put the survivor in the chair it’s extremely far away, and it kinda sucks for hunters that don’t carry trump card or teleport His coffin is extremely good during end game tho! ( and yes he’s a very weak kiter :,) )

[@Cyourix]

If you drop a pallet right after you scale, then you can stun the hunter while blocking their path

[@Cyourix]

8:29 Its the same for me. Most the time they just get first killed.

[@Cyourix]

14:42 Tbh, I feel like that was a little harsh, but that made matches with him, so much ( hunter main btw )

[@lilacrs109]

For antiquarian if u hit 3 times hunter pretty fast u can actually get 18 seconds stun on hunter ! really good players with her who know how to use her abilities are genuinely really annoying

[@mlsborderland6647]

Im an annoying wilding main with B badge i also play pros i was B badge too xD Most of the time hunters avoid me :D

[@danielorlovaquinn]

46:31 idk why she cant literally every other speedboost like kneejerk reflex doesnt cancel her 4sec slow after she uses her speedboost but if you cancel your cooldown it does for some reason. I think giving her 3 pompoms with zero debuff but they dont recharge or making it so that she cant cancel the slow after using her pompoms would make her feel more fair. ALSO NERF HER IN BLACKJACK she literally does barmaid does in blackjack but much better

[@Cyourix]

12:12 Acro’s can be a hit a miss. Long kiting or they’re just decent

[@GGbolincake]

U should had make a special role called:"YEET THIS DAHAIL OUT OF THE GAME NOW" and put enchantress there

[@Idioticrobotics-c8n]

zee do you have any tips for ranking,I keep getting ranked with worker bees (I’m elk currently) and I struggle ranking up often because of it! 😢

[@lilacrs109]

my tip is to get a team with other elks! So u can get out faster of the elk rank

[@Idioticrobotics-c8n]

@@lilacrs109 Tysm!

[@stray_editori]

i wonder if they dont adjust priestess further bc everyone bans her so they have no data lol- she's an interesting character to think about nerfs for.

[@ZeezVovGeeV]

I thought of a small thing I think would be good. Once priestess escapes, all her portals should disappear off the map. Currently, she can chain portals for allies across the map and help them escape even after she's left the map. It'd be a good nerf in my opinion to make them disappear.

[@stray_editori]

@@ZeezVovGeeV Considering (most?) other survivors' placed-down items disappear too (ik painter, embalmer and dancer do for sure), that would make sense!

[@mustafaalim64]

i forgot what its like going against seer and priestess because i always ban them on ranked 😭

[@Someonesomewhere...820]

Little girl and forward are not that bad imo with little girl she is very team comperated and still is kinda eh and forward is strong but if he does a long stun he will weaste like half of his ball. But thats just my opinion still loved ur teir list :D

[@Cyourix]

1:35 thief is quite op in late game but I don’t even see many good ones. I have gone against 2nd thief but he wasn’t… that good

[@Cyourix]

27:15 Im not sure but I have seen high badge lg’s do this

[@lilacrs109]

this is such a real list tbh when i play hunter i have the same opinions tbh but thief is def higher for me i went agaisnt a few a badges and god do i hate them 😭

[@zoluz]

Definitely try aero! He's very interesting to play. Weak, but interesting

[@tantanpham2305]

man why did they do Kreacher like that bro I main him 😭

[@whatinthegoddamn2353]

me when seer

[@supernovasV]

Bring us back unbuffed mercenary 😭😔

[@table3049]

Can someone tell me the zeez guild's name

[@addendumBeekeeper]

me when prisoner gets mentioned (idc if you like him or not i just wanna talk about him)

[@NotCooLouis]

Trust me, good wilding and theif can be the worst characters to go against...

[@the12rosegarden7]

If you thot murcy was too strong tey going vs him when he had 5 yes 5 elbow pads and others survivors can have up to 3 if murcy was first chace you just lost 20 seconds of your time at lest like he was last chase no matter what now you can go for him on some hunters now

[@poppy_9784]

Your most annoying list is a full team,,, I pray the day you match against all four of them never comes For your sanitys sake

[@ZeusIDV]

Buff forward for real

[@HaganeDaido]

chill bill

[@ShinichiKudoQatnip]

I am an enchantress main and oh boy i wish you would have met me when enchantress joined the team, I would have screwed you to hell without a little girl 😈😈

[@AbbyShang-vj4qn]

I personally can’t kiter naiad, geisha, opera and bonbon😅

[@valenmoshi]

s t u n

[@ivan6839]

I hate doc, that's why I always ban her xd

[@Cyourix]

37:10 Thats what a biased person would say

[@Cyourix]

Geisha gameplay for 5k

[@Candy_edgar]

Snooze on painter >>>

[@joses2152]

I'm Hydra hunter and all good so far then I hear Mind's eye is not really good and I had to stop watching. (Not literally, I'm only joking, I enjoyed the entire video!) Like BRUHHHH yes and no hahahaha. Every time I see her in pre-match lobby I'm sobbing because I either find her hiding and I win or Don't find her in the first 30 seconds and then I just have to leave because I'm wasting too much time and that means a tie. But if I leave that also means cipher rushed to oblivion