Which Torment Level Should You Play On? Patch 2.0.2 Diablo 3

[@BlimeyGames]

With the new patch we've definitely been getting more legendaries from barrels/pots/corpses than elites. It's really odd.

[@mistywillowfarm]

I greatly appreciate your well-thought-out sharing of information. Not too cocky or pretentious; just the kind of information we need. I have been playing mostly T1, but I might move to T2 and test it out just to see how it compares in terms of fun. I think too many people get lost in the grind and lose sight of the fun.

[@Sly985]

Great vid, really appreciate a good gamer going through the actual fundamentals of the game and showing the best and most efficient ways of gaining xp for those of us who have gotten to the point (at least until adventure mode :DDDDD ) where leveling is all that's left Overall awesome, sub'd

[@marcusalves8011]

Hey Shin, your numbers check up man! Did the math myself and my numbers are quite close to yours. And also just by the feeling of it one can say that's better to do t1 or t2 if your gear is not that good. I'm excited about your new monk spec! I've been running a lightning monk with the new Won Kin Lau + TunderGod's Vigor and a crafted bracers with +lightning dmg and it's sweet. Tks for all the tips and congrats for videos man!

[@Drewbert319]

thanks for the info it did helped me some. i wish i would of seen ur stream today with 2bill an hour runs though (was running cota) :( i have better then avg gear but its Impossible to find a great group with gear for effective t6 runs, so i've been stressing lower torment runs for majority of my friends with no avail. hopefully this video make's ppl realize that easier to kill mobs on lower torment lvls can be more fun And more profitable! :D

[@mattvallis4249]

Thanks heaps for this Shinobi, I'm in average or below average gear and have been really struggling to find vids that can give pointers, but I'll definitely be giving torment 2 a go now.

[@DrummahMike]

I believe the future of farming in D3 will be in adventure mode and not in the campaign.

[@Xenn000]

Could we see a Monk Build from you? I'm interested to see the one you are using in this video!

[@FlapHarder]

a good rule of thumb is play the torment level where u can 2-3 shot trash mobs t2 appears to give better return in terms of exp% vs monster hp than t3, BUT if ur one shotting t3 white mobs already, then t2 not worth it

[@diamondgirls6541]

One shot in using primary attack or secondary?

[@abababababababab1985]

Hey thanks a lot for the breakdown. I really appreciate your videos u do a great job. Keep it up. One question. I have a demon hunter ATM (best toon) is it better to be getting away from life steal now due to life steal is no longer in the game. Thanks

[@Jeff-kh2xb]

According to the chart the ratios for xp increase/hp increase is: T1: Baseline (0) T2: 0.86 T3: 0.53 T4: 0.60 T5: 0.52 T6: 0.46 I've also noticed that on Master speed AOE clears I have been getting luckier just based off of the sheer quantity of killing which of course increases the sample size and the legendary drop chance. Just a thought.

[@neemguy81]

Shinobi, like your videos bro. I do believe that the torment level ticks are not supposed to be for farming... they are supposed to make a challenge for people. If you are bored of doing t1 cause its too easy, up the ticks so you will have a harder time, and on a Hardcore Character, it gives you the rush that you might be looking for.

[@MrF00tie]

My thoughts exactly. The same was true for the monster power levels, they were not supposed to be rewarding but challenging.

[@HeyzDexy]

I think the reason people are upset by it is because the risk isnt worth the reward

[@comedyman112]

imho, the best Torment to farm is the one that you clear relatively fast...as i do with T1 now xD. I won't stay in T1 once i get good dmg and be able to 2 hit any elite/champion .... ofc i'll go to T2 when i'll reach that point.

[@KarLitoDE_TV]

Great vid Bro - i asked me what should i play on witch tourment. Now i know it :) And do u get a Homepage? Would great to read news from u

[@VK-pk8uz]

The increase in HP relative to the XP, is because the also increasing (legendary) drop rates compensate this. So yes, only 1.5 times the xp at 3 times the health, but also a higher item drop rate and gold rewards. Plus, don't forget T6 is the last difficulty -- that has to be and stay a challenge, otherwise you can literally end the game.

[@ChronoDefender]

Can you prove this (even if you were to just say yes, I'd take it but would like some data with it)? My dad and I play quite a bit, but he plays a lot more than I do, and he found that the difficulty change didn't really seem to change the loot drops, but the mob difficulty went up to a point of not being worth whatever drops.

[@VK-pk8uz]

Chronoguard Exan Whether it's worth upping the difficulty for better loot rates, relative to the mobs' HP, that's up to the player and their gear. I have an unbuffed 200k dps monk with 1,4m toughness, and I slice through T1 just as easily as T2 -- so it would be dumb for me to stay at T1. As for proof of the increased rates: no, because I'd have to have had thousands of drops to even be able to estimate the drop chance, let alone on different difficulties. I take Blizzards word for it: it clearly says the chances increase with the difficulty, when you select one. Also, keep in mind, that even if the drop rates would increase tenfold, it is still possible to not get loot for hours. They're still odds, not certainties. Cheers.

[@chrismanto2]

In crypt og the Ancients, remember to open the chest that is inside... gave me about 2-3 legendaries per hour on T6... a nice bonus on top of the insane exp

[@chrismanto2]

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[@josephhiggins7866]

I just started playing D3 back in feb of this year. I just like to know what this gear setting is you say best in slot and blow. I have 3 60 so far and about to hit paragon 80 I have a 3 set on my Dh. I got through to infro before patch then ran the new t1 and found leng drops from logs and stuff. I just rolled out a witch doc and was loling at him getting the lego drops of chest or trash to fight act boss and then get just blue and yellow drops.But I tried to ask my old wow friend what would be the best in slot gear but they have yet to roll Dh

[@kennyhawkins3070]

So I'm kinda new to Diablo 3. How do I know if I have "Average Gear" or "Below Average"?

[@gustavk9970]

Today I tried Diablo 3 again after like... a year and something again, with my lvl 60 (paragon 2) Barbarian in mostly yellowish/blue gear... started on torment 1 in campaign mode, did act one and almost all of act 2 (just blazed through most trash mobs didnt even kill all elites) leveled to paragon 14 and got 4 good legendaries I could immediately use, 3 of them from trash mobs and barrels, the last one from an elite (champion - but not the final one that drops the loot in a group) that is like 4 times more than dropped for me during those 7 months I played after release back in 2012.. so pretty awesome, guess I will get the Reaper of souls after all :)

[@heyyo130]

thanks for this video. the numbers about xp were very helpful

[@ZappoX99]

Things I've been doing is farming skele king reset legendary . worked well easy to run through the campaign less than 2 hours and pick up plenty of legendary along the way. Group of 4 would each get about 4-5 each then the skele king reset. Just kill elites in the way. Solo play I normally go farming keys hitting up large groups elites and any chest, box, body. Happy hunting fellas

[@YangSunWoo]

I just started playing diablo 3, but I think maybe your conclusion is a little off? You also have to factor in the DPS of your character as it gains better gear. If the DPS tends to go up in a non-linear fashion like experience and health on monsters does it could possibly be faster to do the highest torment level depending on how your damage scales. Again, I just started playing so I have no idea how the damage scales as you get better gear at the highest level.

[@ShinobiXRevived]

Good video but I don't like the end where you say they should reduce the health of mobs. The torment levels are balanced for LEVEL 70. So when you're geared in RoS these torment level difficulties won't be as hard. And I know you touched on this a little bit but I feel that it needs to keep being said because so many people are not taking this into consideration. Geared level 70 will be 2x or 3x as much damage as geared level 60.

[@NoktynGaming]

The mobs in RoS will level with you. So no, you're wrong.

[@Sly985]

Ya nokty is right, if you watch the top right where "Torment" is in '( )' it has your level in it or the average lvl of your team. It was in the new difficulty system, the difficulty's are now strongly based on the average level of your team

[@tracknj]

Hi, Shinobi! Can you discribe in one of your videos how area damage works? THX!

[@HomeAdventurer]

what is a good dps for smooth run from t3 to t6? I have barb with 130k (this is my best i could afford) and it is ok for t1 and t2 as solo or party.

[@huifangsun4705]

Took me a year to master T6. Still need more upgrades on gears and para levels.

[@mastamizclix42]

I already noticed torment II was better than everything else, I'm in above average gear, but playing solo on tormentII doing keep depth runs is very efficient and fast ^^

[@dragodavidCE]

Thanks, for the tips as always !

[@ijb1297]

You are the best Shinobi! Keep doin ya thing!

[@evilvenom3162]

with this patch they cut my dps by 68k :-( Is there a infenro mp to torment calculator?

[@patctsang]

Exactly what I was looking for thx!

[@CrunchyBrush]

Hi, This is a brilliant video....but I had a thought. I know the health is almost double, which doesn't seem work if for the EXP, buuut, you also get a higher chance in good loot drops right? So the extra effort that you are putting in may earn you a mAAAd legendary : ]

[@FatalisArx]

useful infos! its ok for pex farming! but what about the loot quality! is it related to torment levels? keep up the good video, thx

[@rmoreno94]

Great video. I'm prolly doing torment 4 alone.

[@BabyJeus]

Oh yeah babyjeus in the video, thanks for the vid SHinobi... totally awesome

[@jetlorider]

same here....more legendary from turning over rocks and corps...than from monster kill drops

[@silus1907]

Should T1 not be 1.0 instead of 0..? I don't know but it looks confusing =0

[@sproga_265]

Been waiting for this

[@BulkersReviews]

Cota T4 solo runs are after a lot of testing the best exp/h for my medicore geared wiz around 970-940mil/h

[@Grkguy]

I'm running a barb that does 350k dps with 1.2 mil toughness, and 5k healing. I've been running torment 2. Does that sound about right?

[@toddgoldhoff8343]

lol you could do 6 with your eyes closed. That being said your gear is probably all pre 2.0 and youre going to want to fix this

[@Grkguy]

I got my 4 piece IK set. I could prob faceroll T6 now. Not elites though, they'd probably still poop on me.

[@ubcstofu]

how does the mf aspect of the higher torment lvls work?

[@AirmVn]

So ... I don't get it ... why should I do all of this ?

[@krababz]

would love a video about getting more legendaries :)

[@DarthErdmaennchen23]

you always talk about "average" gear and "above average" gear, but what do you consider "average" gear? how do I know whether my gear is averag or above average?

[@not_worth]

another point the gold find bonus cap makes playing on t2+ pointless for gold farming if you need the cash

[@bullseye11b]

Have an average monk build and I do torment 1 and 2 alright but I feel I get more xp from 1 solo.

[@vova12]

is my gear average, below or above ? i am monk with 122,248 damage and 398,142 toughness using one with everything.

[@ethanedwardcook]

***** what? how? i play hardcore i have 1.8 mil toughness and only 100k DPS Anyways i only play torment 1 and i don't see myself going up anytime soon i have yet to get a upgrade.

[@vova12]

i haven't played in a while. almost a year

[@jamesryan099]

Ethan Cook torment two is easy its not a huge jump been using same garbage gear that iv had since before the new systems they implemented.

[@gustavk9970]

I'd say your dps was good back then, but toughness was too low.

[@TheWeaponx1009]

Playing torment 2 solo, torment 3-4 group. Most of my friends are under geared compaired to me.

[@SharXxXxX]

well since I am not hunting for xp, I do torment 1 just for the loots

[@blacksunaccounts]

Seems like I found legs easier on the ptr. Idk what I'm doing wrong. I usually play through act 1 and 3-4 on t3. I would like to find a few legs an hour. Any suggestions anyone?

[@droppathan]

You havent done anything, you're not crazy. We all had better drops in the PTR.

[@partyman6666]

I never played the PTR, but my leg drop rate is so low now since 2.0.1. I was mostly farming with my Barb who was at Lvl 99 when 2.0.1 came out. Kind of annoying, but I might not be doing the best farming routes.

[@polkm7fromps3]

The drop rates in PTR were different, I'm pretty sure.

[@Blackreaper777]

In PTR they were testing out things, you know, it's Public TEST Realm after all. So yea, drop rates were raised quite a lot, so that people testing the game could get more new items and stuff. I don't know what you are doing, but I do get several legs an hour most of the time though.

[@Oxigan2win]

Thank you - verry usefull

[@papipapuko]

thanks bro, youre a pro

[@mephistoss238]

Ive gotten at least 10 legenderies from chests thing patch

[@Drogaddos]

I think that blizz did good job. T6 should be difficult otherwise all ppl would cry that the game isnt challenging.

[@ShaneBuchman]

Farming bosses got me 3 piece ik so far not any 1 boss all mixed together

[@Mampfie]

For Exp i run T3. to farm i go Hard. killspeed > all

[@davidwilde9616]

I don't agree that Elites should have their HP cut in half. They should be difficult, they should be crazy fun to kill. IF you have a problem with killing them and die several times trying to kill one elite mob then you are in the wrong Torment Level. Trash mobs are just that; trash, they are meant to be easy to kill. Why make the game easy so you can run T6? T6 is the absolute hardest. So why nerf it? I have a barb that is severely under geared and is built as a tank. I go in with friends and I stand in the middle of everything and tank them while they do the damage. I don't die. Even on T3 I do not die. Yeah solo it would take me forever to kill something but that is why you are allowed to make parties. I feel like people forget that it is OK for things to be overly difficult. We are level 60, as you said shinobi these mobs and elites are meant to get to 70; at 70 we unlock better gear, new legendary items. If we can run torment 6 at level 60 with no qualms why even bother with increasing the level cap to 70?

[@VassRulez]

Getting 2B+ farming T6 bro, only way too go ;)

[@theghostvilla]

I've been getting almost all my legendarys off of courpses too. In all parts of the game. Completely random huh.

[@Revenineakarevan]

Shinobi you should send this numbers to Blizz direclty via email feedback. Also they should apply Cathedral 4 density to every area in the game and fix trash mobs loot, they give nothing.

[@nisher15]

Not a huge fan of the new drop rates. Id rather have +%50 item drops for a -%50 reduction in unique drops.

[@gamer456ism]

Nice very helpfull

[@nillomat]

Those t3 numbers are wrong it's more like 1.7 vs 2.6 (napkin mathed) Or since I have a calculatorhere (there's this thing in windows 7) : 1.69 vs 2.55

[@Sammysapphira]

Just play whatever whatever torment you one shot the trash..

[@Steampunk_Star_Raisin]

Click restart quests and kill King Leoric. He drops a legendary item every time...

[@TheGamereli]

its been fixed

[@BelgiumWonderKing]

TheGamereli No, it has yet to be fixed. It will be moved to Diablo with the next patch.

[@B143DP]

Giovani Vercauteren Cant you only reset quests when you have ALL quests completed? cause i reset them on my DH and well, can't do it again. I assume i have to finish the game again to be able to ungray the button

[@SkyrimHod]

Justin Lincoln Yeah, you have to finish all of the quests again(including all sub-objectives in each one) before you can reset it again. For just one legendary, it hardly seems worth considering how often they drop anyway.

[@marcusalves8011]

SkyrimHod Did it for the third time in a row now with my monk! Aside from the legendary from SK you get more xp from all quests. My gear is not that good and I can handle Reflect Dmg above T2 with easy, it's not efficient at all. Playing T2 though when I reset quests I get more xp from quests than T3. And as Shinobi showed us the xp per hour from monsters is not that different.

[@fishtacos007]

Your base lines are 1, not zero. :)

[@imperadorush]

nice video

[@TauntedSpaghetti]

It's obvious... TORMENT 6

[@1rumbler]

Reducing health would be a massive mistake the whole idea of t6 is to be challenging not the most efficient if any thing maybe boost xp I would hate to see them make the same mistake with dificulty reduction easy is boring I hope im not farming ros t6 act 5 a week or two after launch I want months of gradual but steady leveling ....but thats me every one will have there own opinion

[@Shinobi001]

They can do other things to increase the difficulty of the game. A monster having more health doesn't make it harder, just makes it take long, and its a waste of time.

[@tobiaschristoffersson8963]

if anyone is in eu server can u help me pw a monk and barb

[@omarashab]

Hey man great video :) i've been doing my own farming routes and i found the battlefield area spawns 2 dungeons "battlefield stores (2 lvls)" and "the barraks (2 lvls)" they have a very high monster density plus high legends drop rate,, any ways check them out u wont regret ;)

[@damnitiam18ify]

Ya I need more legendaries who the hell cares if they are in chests or not. Just script it to not give chest runners a higher chance

[@andrewfigueras7809]

they nerfed Cellar runs.

[@wowdante]

Baalrun001 Baalrun002 Baalrun003 etc...2 hours later Baalrun153....Sound familiar?

[@toddgoldhoff8343]

Ok you are talking solo though. You dont explain group which is what everyone plays and should be playing.... Can you redo?

[@janolekvisli5383]

Funny having the chance to make 1600 euros on rmah just by paying 20 mill gold

[@MrMoodyKSA]

i need friends on EU region to play hardmodes with, if anyone wana play feel free to PM me, im lvl 55+ WD but when i reach 70+ im gonna go for harder modes

[@lickmetender]

if you would lose some weight i might actually subscribe

[@gavinpettigrew4094]

First comment nice video

[@TeronTheGorefiend]

Nope, you're not first.

[@sproga_265]

Denied!

[@PinkB00mer]

Teron The Gorefiend After Shinobi yes he is. And no one ever counts the creators comment.

[@TeronTheGorefiend]

PinkBoomer LeeVondés Woops sorry, you're right I'm just blind >.< switched the minutes on Gavin Pettigrew's comment and Ijb1297's in my head.

[@g00dnewb32]

good video but i find you ramble on alot. this couldve been a 10 minute video. also, the swallowing noise gets annoying after a while

[@joshuaholden4303]

What the hell, cant view your vids because of these broken commercials. These Airborne Commercials are broken. Other youtubes are fine.

[@zaneblack6793]

You repeat yourself way to much. I mean make a decision and state your opinion already.

[@zaneblack6793]

Ahh, that is sweet. Maybe he will take you out for coffee. Relax already, it is just constructive feedback.