WHICH TOTAL WAR IS BETTER?! ROME 2 VS ROME REMASTERED For Beginners and Veterans in 2022

[@spiffygonzales5899]

I really don't understand all the hate towards the 1-5 unit armies. I always loved it. It forced you to split your forces to prevent from being raided. it wasn't as simple as sending your one army at theirs. You had to account for the little guys who would raze your territory if you sent your entire army their way.

[@PoorManatee6197]

Agree, it also adds a lot of possible tactics like instead of stoping your whole army you just pul back the damaged units and bring reinforcements, surrounding a enemy so he cant scape, using 1 unit as scouts, sending your faster units on their own to contain the enemy while the other units move to the front... Also smaller battles where every soldier is important can be very fun.

[@patrickleonard4187]

It also made the AI an evil troll to deal with.

[@everfree4175]

One of my favorite tactics to use with this mechanic in Medieval 2 is when I'm facing a larger army that I can't handle in a straight up fight, so I send in a bunch of Horse archers to soften them up and to kill key targets (such as artillery) before the main battle. Their speed makes it easy to avoid too much damage, so I have time to spend all of their ammo before withdrawing, killing hundreds of troops for every ten of mine. I just wish the game didn't think that I lost those types of battles.

[@kurremkarmerruk8718]

It's so much more accurate to history, as well. Small war dominated campaigns, with maybe one or two pitched battles as a climactic turning point after all the manouvering and tactics. IMO general-locked full stacks marching around is Rome 2's biggest flaw. Empire, with the individual buildings spread out on the campaign map, probably had the most promise for this play-style, but also caused most of the frustration in the community. I personally loved it. Provinces were not secure until you could literally secure them.

[@jackabsolute5525]

Yeah, I really liked it too. There was a certain tactical element wherein you could detach all your cavalry to either chase a retreating stack, or besiege a settlement with an inferior army while the main body lies in ambush. In Napoleon, I would detach whole regiment of cavalry and horse artillery lead by a cavalry general while the main soldiers and artillery slowly make their way to support the siege next turn. But, I think the Ottoman empire bug ruined it all. One hundred stacks of 1 unit armies locked the campaign to a grinding halt.

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

Forced march IS in Rome 1, it's just something that has to be unlocked by the generals via an ability.

[@MsSirAndy]

where is the ability? never seen i in the game

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

@@MsSirAndy generals earn it as a trait, probably for multiple max length marches or something. Anyway when it's active the distance you can move resets a little bit after using it up and makes your units tired if they engage in battle.

[@thegreatnoldini]

I've been playing Rome 1 for almost 20 years and never knew this was a thing@@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK

[@-_Hatred_-]

​​@@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK, oh I remember this trait but didn't know you can use it. Always thought it was passive. How to do that?

[@Backwayonly]

@@-_Hatred_- It is passive

[@Em022]

Rome Remastered got me into Total War. I played Warhammer 2 a while ago but it was too confusing for me. I liked Rome Remastered because it feels more simple than the other games. Now I'm delving into other total war games and am having so much fun.

[@AndysTake]

Awesome, which Total Wars are you playing now then? :)

[@clausbohm9807]

I started with Rome 2 but couldn't even start it (Horrible interface)... then i took a stab at Empire:Total War ... now you are talking ... that is way better for me to play and appreciate. I am now playing with Darthmod and its the one mod that hasn't crashed so far. I am thinking rome remastered is along the same lines, only the actual battle graphics look way dated.

[@Em022]

@@AndysTake Right now I'm playing Rome 2 as macedon for the phalanx.

[@malice9830]

Hey friend can I ask you if i should buy r2 or wh3 idk when discounts drop again on tw games I got r2 for 22 bucks it was 90 dollers now that discounts gone price went back up to 90 or 80 for wh3 or attila I got rapid dual lvl3 R5 5600 rtx3060 16gb amd zotac geforce twin Edge but no1 recently rplyed yet i got a sarcastic rply from a other person saying my specs sucks i got pissed and upset the day i purchased rome2 empire edition download was 4hrs so thats good right?

[@Em022]

@@malice9830 and your gpu has nothing to do with download speed. Your pc seems like it should be fine for modern total war at least on lower settings depending on your resolution. Older total war games should work just fine.

[@Don-ds3dy]

Remember the good old days when in total war games the battle map was literally a scaled up version of the campaign map, cities forests rivers boats and all?

[@Don-ds3dy]

And also when you could play any faction by beating them, instead of purchasing them through DLC.

[@Doggy724]

@@Don-ds3dy games are moer expesive tho so its hard for tem to make money back whule still ading new content

[@torek1006]

True People forget this point

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

The answer here is obvious. The original Rome Total War. I got over 700 hours in that game and that's only the official Steam time. I'm sure I've got another 700+ on the old pirated copy I had before I got a job.

[@stevencass8849]

I’m OG. I definitely prefer Remastered Rome. There are elements of Rome 2 that I like, but I think original Rome is superior in ways that Rome 2 can’t match with its engine limitations. For example, character building. I park my youngsters in my most important city a few turns and then play them according to their traits. I get attached to my characters. I don’t get attached to my Rome 2 characters at all. Also, with Feral lifting so many limits on Remastered, I think that the things I enjoy about Rome 2, mainly the grand scope of the campaign, can be realized in Remastered.

[@AndysTake]

Yeah I agree. I tend to be more attached to generals in Rome Remastered somehow, they’re a bit more present or easily distinguishable somehow. And the modding can only get better.

[@trancecod]

I love rome 2, I kinda always got attached when I played it.. they even added family trees later edit: but I haven't played remastered and it's been a long time since I played rome tw, so who knows, maybe I would like remastered more than rome 2

[@wellthatwasdaft]

In case people don't know, the Rome: Total Realism - Imperium Surrectum mod has had a massive update since this video came out which makes its campaign the largest in any Total War game ever, even including the Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires map.

[@lego_dane7619]

is it the whole world or just expanded on the old map?

[@JakeBaldwin1]

@@lego_dane7619 I think it goes from Spain to India and includes the majority of important cities from history, so Italy has something like 50 provinces.

[@udkudk]

@@lego_dane7619 1600 Cities in a bigger map that includes Persia + West India + Arabia + South Egypt (Kush), map is incredible detailed. AI is much better

[@hipdrive]

The only problem with it is they made the battles painfully slow and unrealistic. Maybe there is a submod by now to fix it

[@wellthatwasdaft]

@@hipdrive The slower they are, the more realistic, surely? Though realism in that aspect doesn't necessarily make for good gameplay.

[@TheRogueJedii]

Rome total war is such an amazing game, a timeless masterpiece. I had one of my most epic battles in it which I will retell now. So I was in Africa, fighting the Egyptians. My leader, Kaeso, was a gifted youngster who had only recently inherited the Julii estate from his father. Rome was powerful but so was the Pharaoh. We had fought a fierce battle against one of the Pharaoh's armies, and I retreated the main part of my forces to recover in a nearby city that we had just taken. Behind I left a few catapults, which slowed down the army and impeded them from getting to the cities. There were no enemy armies nearby and I felt it was safe to do so. Guarding them, I only left a few auxiliary cavalry, and some praetorian guards protecting Kaeso. Of course, as often is the case in war, the unexpected happened. As the turn ended, from just beyond my line of sight, a massive army emerged from the Egyptian lands. It was the Pharaoh himself, leading a full stack of war chariots and infantry! They set upon Kaeso, intent on killing my leader without mercy. Greatly outnumbered, Kaeso nonetheless gave a rousing speech and inspired his men. They braced for impact and prepared for the worst. Pharaoh's army slowly marched over the sandy dunes in the distance, their gold armor glistening in the sun. Indomitable, unflinching, convinced still that he had a great destiny before him, Kaeso ordered the catapults to begin firing upon the enemy army. Fiery projectiles of death rained upon the Pharaoh's army, for these catapults had been in many battles, and had become quite precise from experience. Pharaoh then commanded his armies to charge, but as he was doing so, a cutscene played out. One of the fireballs, with incredible, nay, impossible, precision, descends upon the Pharaoh's position. Time seems to stand still, and for a moment, the Pharaoh stares directly at this projectile, a ball of death headed straight for him. The Egyptians watch in horror, as their god-king falls dead before their very eyes, bursting to flames in a spectacular fiery explosion. Little is left of Pharaoh or his chariot, and despair seeps into the Egyptian's hearts, who believe now that the heavens, and fate herself, have turned against them. The romans cheer, and Kaeso, seizing the moment, orders a charge from his cavalry. The Egyptians, with little appetite left for a fight, turn tail and flee, and their great army is promptly destroyed. From that day on, my leader became known as Kaeso the Great. (this literally became his in-game title.) He quickly dominates Egypt, and turns the wealth of the granary of the world to his coffers. The common people hear of this story, and begin to worship him, and his sway with the common people becomes quite strong. The roman senate, jealous of Kaesos' new found influence, and fearing his power, send a missive to the man himself, commanding he *commit suicide effective immediately* . Kaeso of course, refuses, and a long and bloody war begins against Rome herself. But that is a story for another time. I have never had such an impossible and epic experience in any game ever, before or since. I don't know what the odds of that happening were, but my guess is that they are pretty low. For this reason, Rome TW is my favorite TW game ever. Hope you enjoyed :)

[@AndysTake]

That’s sounds awesome, my friend. Rome is one of my favourite TWs ever as well, truly love it :)

[@TheRogueJedii]

@@AndysTake it is amazing. What would make RR perfect is if they added coop. Hopefully a mod in the future :)

[@MontyRL]

I actually enjoyed reading this. Well done and great choice of words

[@soquel_8313]

Dawg this is a fucking sick ass story😂💪🏽

[@mynamestwi]

Please tell me the story against rome

[@MontyRL]

Rome 1 all the way. I feel I have more liberty and an immersive experience than the map coloring, skill selecting game of Rome 2. In Rome 1, your members skills react accordingly to their life's experience. The feeling of it all, it appears more alive

[@andrewshaffer225]

I’m a new sub, im not sure why you don’t have more subs you have great quality of videos. Maybe you could do mod reviews?

[@alexs_toy_barn]

It's cuz historical TW KZbin isn't very popular anymore, anyone with 'clout' has moved over to covering warhammer. No I don't like it either

[@AndysTake]

Thank you so much, Andrew! I am doing mod reviews, I have a special playlist dedicated to them actually ;) and more are coming!

[@spiffygonzales5899]

The reason he has few subs is because only Chads sub to him.

[@jaywerner8415]

I'd say that about sums up the 2 games quite well. Want to play a Grand Strategy game with REAL TIME BATTLES, play Rome Remastered, want to play a RTS with GRAND STRATEGY ELEMENTS? Play Rome 2. Shogun 2 really stuck that balance between NEW and OLD total war. Honestly i think the thing i hate MOST about modern total war, all those immersive mechanics have been replaced by "a number" or "a bar that fills over time", as well as many features being CUT over the years. the Campaign side of the game just feels so Shallow, life less, streamlined. The battles haven't fair much better. While games may change the AI never seems too, seriously how often since Rome 2 do you see the ai just form a gelatinous BLOB with its entire army which you then proceed to dismantle with Artillery and in some cases Magic. Hell id wager the AI in Rome Remastered could and would beat a Modern TW AI. Not to mention garrisons which turn what would be a rolf stomp into a slog, because generals are TIED to armies, Also killing the general is now a BAD THING to do since they just respawn a fresh one. Its like CA knows the ai is dumb so they give them multiple safety padding. Not to say Modern total war is all bad, their certainly is fun to be had, but i cant shake the feeling their is something missing, something that was lost after Shogun 2 and to a grater extent Attila. Whats are those old sayings "If it ain't broke don't fix it" and "back to basics", i feel like those 2 things really need to be looked at. NEW ENGINE, SEE WHAT WORKED in previous games and more importantly WHAT DIDNT, bring back that IMMERSION and DEPTH that has been stripped out over the years. And hopefully some vastly improved if not perfect AI.

[@AndysTake]

Exactly! Back to basics, depth, and immersion please.

[@kevinp5325]

I really don't think Rome 1, or remastered, was all that complex in terms of the grand strategy. Rome 2, while it streamlined certain aspects (city/province management), still offers a level of nuance to diplomacy and faction management that is totally lacking from Rome 1. Also, Rome 1's AI is in no way better than what Rome 2 offers. AI general suiciding into prepared infantry formations anyone?

[@firemyst9064]

Hey man thanks for making this video! I got a friend who's never played but said he was a big fan of ancient Greece over Rome and I immediately thought of tw Rome 2/remastered. Plus it's nice to hear about some bonus mods that might really enhance the core experience of a game, especially if I haven't started it yet. That was last week, and this week you released a video detailing both, what timing!

[@AndysTake]

That’s awesome, Firemyst! Great timing indeed, I hope I made the choice somewhat easier! :D

[@greatsouthernancientminiat8812]

good review. You forgot to mention the fact that in RR AI turn times take under 10 seconds v ~ 50 seconds in R2. That's a big factor !

[@AndysTake]

True! Thanks for pointing it out

[@firemyst9064]

I've played medieval and medieval 2 a lot along with Rome 1 with/without total realism mod, I haven't played Rome 2 or remastered yet. But sometimes those turns skip right through, often they take a minute to cycle through everyone. But medieval 1 was on a much older computer back in the day...

[@AndysTake]

@@firemyst9064 Rome Remastered and Medieval 2 vanilla turn times are so lightning fast today

[@anarchopupgirl]

Only 90's kids remember the load times for Europa Barbarorum on a Pentium 4

[@eveei]

50 seconds? Maybe if ur on literal potato, or running dei

[@Owlyyyyyy]

What a coincidence. I'm comparing both games. Amazing video

[@AndysTake]

Thank you so much, Spicy! Did you land on one?

[@HatstandTuesday]

In the original, and the remastered, it felt like you were leading a well disciplined Roman army. In Rome 2, it felt like leading a mob.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Not if you play DEI

[@ДжонДжоновичЛоусон]

What does it do? is it really so good? i want to get into it but dont understand the appeal. rome 2 campaign map just feels totally dead to me. does this mod make it more alive?​@@firingallcylinders2949

[@kivati]

Rome 2 for me, with the DEI mod. Almost everything is better for me. I used to love Rome 1, not vanilla but with the EB mod and played it for many years. I struggle to play it these days. Rome 2 DEI is an amazing game. Vanilla is fun, but not on the level of the mod.

[@AndysTake]

Yes definitely so much better with the mod

[@aramokurdo]

DeI is fine but cant do much thing as Rome 2 itself has worst gameplay i mean just look at building & regional system and ridicoulous things such as squalor and other funny and irritating unhistorical things.. couldnt finish a campaign in Rome 2 as it gets so much boring i still love Rom 1 to the end cause there is NOTHING better than Rome 1 & medieval 2 & Shogun 2 !

[@User50981]

@@aramokurdo lmao wut, rome 1 is wayy more unhistorical than rome 1

[@jacopofolin6400]

@@aramokurdo Squallor Is pretty historical, the romans built baths for that. Dei in general Is extreamly realistic for anything that they fixed

[@victorpastor3726]

you must try Para Bellum mod...its amazing!!

[@crimsonlightbinder]

Rome 1 remastered all the way. Rome 2 is lacking in so many ways, it's such a goofy odd game and I remember being so excitef for it back in the day...such a dissapointment. From the city building, which is so unimmersive with those stupid card like icons with scribbles that mean nothing and are like, tier 1, tier2 etc to the cluncky armies to the size ift the actual town with like Rome taking 20% of the italian peninsula. AI is kinda silly in both, but the town in Rome 1 is so logical and the building icons are beautiful and you have your little 3D description

[@Asraeks]

Rome remastered better cuz no stupid province system plus you can detach units from army etc

[@AndysTake]

an OG player I see!

[@jasonlupo4117]

@@AndysTake The inability to detach units is a HUGE restriction. You mentioned it--that's good--but I will take it a step further and say that the limited army mechanic, together with the auto-generated garrisons, removes MOST otherwise viable strategy paradigms as options and requires players to do every campaign practically the same way regardless of their natural playstyle. The interest and replayability both take a huge hit on that point alone. But no walls? Really? Even Sparta had natural barriers. I'm right there with Pablito, all the way to "etc".

[@AndysTake]

@@jasonlupo4117 haha yes exactly. I’m kind of against garrisons definitely, but I’m not against the concept of it per se. I just want it to be done better and more… thought out? Because now it just seems like a boring thing to deal with, free units etc essentially

[@diego2817]

Rome 1 is the best total war ever, only matches by medieval 2

[@mollyscullyscully80]

Reduced Garrison mods are great for Rome 2. Personally I hated the detachable units in other TW games, especially the way it works in Napoleon Total War, because one unit of horse can just touch each of your farms in hald a turn and they all burn and are useless

[@gladiador7370]

Tbh the collors of R2 are weird. It feels blurry and lack of "life". The colors of the first Rome were more vibrand and felt better. Also the R2 has zero collision impact, it's basically a "number" model. In Rome 1 the charges of your cavalry could change the course of a battle in a short time, as in historical battles. Rome 2 is a blurry dead collor game wich is fun and try to be more complete but actually lack's simplicity and "life". The battles feels weird. Napoleon and Empire still have better battles than it.

[@shogunn2517]

This is appreciated. To be honest, I've been wanting to try these for years. And while I am a Total War fan, I think they've gotten fairly complex with each edition. More things to pay attention to and that you need to do to have success in the game. My last Total War game, Attila, so sadly had waned interest in, despite it being very well made. To that end, I am thinking Rome 2 will be entirely too similar to Attila.

[@helltarrist]

They actually got watered down HEAVILY. Battles are a joke, while the campaign map is overly complicated and way more restricted for no reason. Try a rear charge with cavalry in Rome 2 against a unit already engaged against another and then do the same in the Remastered. You will see what I mean. A lot of battle mechanics make tactics truly useless. You just click forward and either die or kill depending on a stat card. It's like two unit cards fighting each other and not two UNITS of WARRIORS, etc. SHOGUN 1&2, ETW, NTW, RTW, MEDIEVAL 1&2 are amazing despite the many bugs. The rest? A pokemon card game with little men units.

[@ruy7164]

Try Medieval 2.

[@user-cw3ug9bx5h]

​@@helltarristi have never played a total war game. Which one should i start with?

[@helltarrist]

@@user-cw3ug9bx5h You can start with any, although you might get a bad experience with the old ones due to them not being up to date so to say, graphics and gameplay are a bit clunky. Shogun 2 is definitely a great one to start at, after you got a good grasp on it, try RTW, M2TW, and ETW. Up until Shogun 2, all games are pretty good, apart from E:TW (only due to the amount of bugs). Mind you, all of these are dated, but from gameplay perspective they are all amazing games.

[@heberrodriguez3310]

Short Answer: RTW Long Answer: Rome Total War

[@stevenjames6830]

I like Rome 1 better. I just got into the total war games so I’m not some old time fan. I have both of the games and in my opinion Rome Total War 2 it’s just too complicated in ways that it shouldn’t be the battles are tedious and units just form massive blobs. as for the stuff that was fixed it’s nice and all but it’s just way too convoluted in my opinion all these extra tasks and things just for 3% bonuses and stuff. Rome one is straight to the point and I also like the way the units look better , the cool speeches you get before a battle and the way the soldiers fight is just much more entertaining. they look a lot cleaner and organized and I know that might not be as historically accurate but I personally like it better. Rome 1 remastered is indeed more cartoony but personally I like that. It looks cool. Like a fun game. For those who like more realistic stuff I’m sure they are gonna like Rome 2 better but personally I just think it’s too complicated and boring overall. I’m not some old fan so I’m not going off nostalgia as I stated already I’m young and I just got into the series. If you add mods like the imperium surrectum one then you’d be crazy to say that Rome 2 is “the more advanced product” cause that mod makes the game amazing in pretty much every area.

[@demos113]

I'm sticking with the original RTW/Barbarians, which runs perfectly well on my 2019 Win 10 computer.

[@Praetorian1995]

I love both, I can't say which one is my favorite. I have more than 1.3k hours on rome 2 and only god know how many on original rome, since bought it as an cd game back in the days... I believe if someone loves the roman history and roman warfare, it is a blessing having those total war games.

[@AndysTake]

Very true! I dont have my true numbers for Rome Total War either because like you I had/have it on CD. But the choice of playing both is amazing!

[@Praetorian1995]

@@AndysTake now almost 200 hours on remastered and adding up :)

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@AndysTake for some reason I lag like crazy when playing , Rome remaster

[@AndysTake]

@@michaelhawkins7389 hmm… are your settings right?

[@stevenjames6830]

Rome 2 is incredibly convoluted and complicated. Remember when games were meant to be fun? Personally I just like to see ancient men slaughter eachother on a massive battlefield. Rome 1 delivers that easily and simply. Rome 2 is just so damn complicated

[@baronbrummbar8691]

also the unit collision sucks in rome 2 ------ like why the fuck did you make it worse

[@TheRealBrotherLance]

Play thrones of brittannia... Fast paced not overly complicated. And even those who say they don't like it all agree some of the best sieges ever.

[@MattZaharias]

DEI is an incredible overhaul mod that adds some of the campaign complexity (population, building functions) back into Rome 2, plus the AI is a lot sneakier with their cavalry, will fallback units from the front line (especially if you have the DEI Slower Battles submod installed) and uses balanced armies. It is really nice and though I grew up playing Shogun/Rome 1, Rome 2's music is just amazing.

[@patrickleonard4187]

Rome 2 with mods IS the superior product. It may have been trash at launch, but no total war game has risen like the Phoenix more than Rome 2. Some of the best mods, what a massive map, the faction diversity, all the little quality of life upgrades. Then, letting mods upgrade the experience and bring back all the functions that you missed from medieval 2 or Rome. All that with way better visuals; campaign and battle, and a soundtrack that just rocks.

[@MattZaharias]

@@patrickleonard4187 I agree, Rome 2 feels solid these days.

[@mollyscullyscully80]

I highly recommend "24 turn per years All Factions Playabale", for Divide et Impera, it makes the season last 6 turns each so you have to plan ahead for winter and also for the "conquering season" so to speak. It fucks with the kids ages and they never grow up though, but who cares, never needed them x) Age of Hellenism Reworked pike and hoplites submod Reworked edicts Alternative economy (best sub mod IMO) Tons of units addon (i.e. Greek units to Carthage) No base income for DeI (a freaking marvel simple mod) And tons of others

[@stevenjames6830]

@@patrickleonard4187 Rome 1 with imperium surrectum wins

[@johnirby8847]

They've moved to the remaster and have expanded greatly beyond what Rome 2 was capable of doing!

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

Rome remastered is superior in some aspects to Rome II, from the battle music to various elements of the UI. Battle wise, its better. Rome II has some better advantages over RR. As a series set in the Roman Period? A must buy. As a total war games? Two different ends of the spectrum I think. Both are great to play tbh if you like the setting. As a total war fan however, I'd try both and see. For the Roman period which seriously lacks a ton of video games set in it (You could have a triple AAA Roman video game than some generic BS sci-fi game with mythos and whatnot) these two are reccomended.

[@diego2817]

Never, Rome 1 is superior battle physics by a lot, it was programed by genius, Rome 2 is a step down

[@firemyst9064]

Or games like Ryze son of Rome which I never played because the combat looked generic and very simple.

[@kwagar9810]

This man really just said Rome 2 battle music is better then Rome 1.

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

@@kwagar9810 Did I say that? I don't think so And its no crime to think both are good soundtracks in their own ways.

[@kwagar9810]

@@MedjayofFaiyum wait I miss read it sorry this is just me being a dumbass. 💀

[@niksxr]

Thank you so much for this. This feels like an objective look on the enjoyments these games can give you WAY AFTER their release. Rome Remastered for example is a Remastered of an incredible game - which makes it an incredible game to me (hat me for enjoying all you want). Hell yeah the first 6 months after release sucked for this game, for Cyberpunk, for every other A+ game. But guess what - Rome Total War v1.0 sucked as well. We just didn't notice back then, because the general public waited and never played v1.0

[@AndysTake]

Haha you might be onto something there!

[@Skibbi198]

Really, I like how the remaster doesn't expand the mechanics much. I just want RTW that runs on my PC.

[@Trident121]

Nothing beats original Rome 1 with mod Roma surrectum 3 or Europa Barbarorum. A lot of depth and immersion

[@CAPTJOHN78]

Aye

[@180791sanguinius]

The Rome Remastered battle engine has proper collision and a realistic combat system where there is multiple vs 1 fights, Rome 2's battle engine does not have collision and the melee is all about the stupid animation mocaps which do not permit multiple vs 1 fights. Therefore, battles play better in RTW, than they do in R2TW. Since battles are basically the reason to play TW, as the strategic map experience is lacklustre at best, RTW is the better game.

[@chrisemptage1366]

The problem I got with Rome2 is the building menu just confuses me yes you have tool tips but the icons are confit they could have had the classic building menu style UI I may even go back to it.

[@timbow1833]

same, the building menu is just so damn bad

[@johnirby8847]

It's horrible compared to Rome 1 more complex and dumbed down at the same time...idk what they were thinking!

[@left4deadzoeylover]

I played the original Rome Total war and I honestly really enjoy playing Rome Total war remastered especially with mods but my only issue I have with Rome Total war 2 is the DLC, because so much of that was in the first Rome Total war that I just don't understand why they would make a second game and then cut half of the content out from the first game and just resell it especially when it comes to the blood and gore, I don't know if anyone else feels the same but that's just my personal opinion.

[@Bu11yMagu1re]

Rome 1. Could never get into Rome 2. The settlement system and no army splitting were pretty big deal breakers to me.

[@Tanuvein]

While Rome 2 dropped a lot of things or made some mechanic changes I didn't approve of (most of which have been since added), it's a game I replay and Rome 1 is something I rarely touch these days. I do think I preferred the combat engine overall, but the AI being more primitive means fighting them isn't always better. If I was allowed to cheat, I would pick Attila though. It's probably my favorite TW game when playing without major mods, and I feel like it added to Rome 2 without losing much, if anything. The WRE game is one of the most fun TW campaigns I've had; Kostaltyn is a great newer one, but I don't really know or care about the factions like I do historical peoples.

[@diego2817]

I uninstalled Rome 2 because of the IA, it was extremely dumb even in harder I found Rome remaster harder and barbarian expansion is superior in every way

[@AndysTake]

Attila is my favourite too ;)

[@CrazyNikel]

Agreed. Attila is superior IMHO.

[@ReaperCH90]

Attila would be perfect, if food supply was like Rome II (at least for the real Empires like WRE, ERE and the Sassanids) and there would be a mechanic to trade land besides settling hordes. Also i miss the fight in formation feature. Other than that I agree.

[@sharpe3698]

I'm exactly the opposite. I'll reply Rome 1/remastered every couple of years and I've always bounced off of Rome 2 after a few hours. Kinda had the same experience with most of the newer TW games like Warhammer and Troy too tbh.

[@mesijevoprenejvozed7152]

Thank you for review, mate! :)

[@AndysTake]

thank you for watching :)

[@SYMBI05IS]

If you've seen LegendOfTotalWar's Top 5 Exploit Video. Then you will know that Rome 1 has one of the NASTIEST exploit in the entire Total War Franchise, and it is the Attach and Detach Exploit, i won't go in details because it'll take too long just like Legend said. Now back to my choice on which Total War Rome is better?: In my Opinion, i prefer *Total War: Rome 2* The reason i like Total War Rome 2 is pretty much everything in it. The Graphics, the Maps, the Units, the Battles. EVERYTHING! the only problem is the Poor A.I and Massively OP Auto Resolve, which is sometimes not bad but not good either, the AI doesn't use tactics on you. Just pure Brute Force by sending all it's units to attack and not even leaving some of them as reserves and thus easy to beat with enough troops to trap and deal with them. You only need to survive in the early phase and if you do, then you are good to go and conquer everything you want. The only thing stopping you is the Inevitable Civil War that will happen after enough Imperium Bar is filled to trigger it, but unless your not on Legendary Difficulty then they can pretty much decent or weak to go against. Other than that, it's basically just steamrolling the game with your Late Game OP Units (Unless your playing a Shit Faction)

[@johnirby8847]

Rome 2 just felt like a massive downgrade compared to Rome 1 and Medieval 2. Everything was dumbed down and made more complex at the same time.

[@MelkorGG]

If you like long, immersive battles, Rome 2. If you like long, immersive campaigns, Rome Remastered. That's the way I break it down. As a campaign player, I cannot stand Rome 2, but love the Remaster. From what I see, people who play for the battles prefer Rome 2.

[@AndysTake]

Yeah I can see that. There's just something the Rome 2 campaign is missing, and it might come to down to population and just the ease of things idk. DEI fixes a lot of that for me, even improves upon it, but I love Rome Remastered's campaign.

[@jasonlupo4117]

@@AndysTake Sure, it's missing some things--walls, a fulfilling building browser, etc.--but it's also what they added: limited armies that force giant battles and make too many strategic models impossible, agents so limited in number and powerful in function that players are forced to use them heavily just to stay competitive, excessive auto-generated garrisons on land and sea that don't make sense, and I could go on...and on....

[@danielepenco9295]

It Is possible,for DeI,fix that issues?Can,this mod,make shorter the gap between this two games in terms of "Campaign game"?

[@MelkorGG]

@@danielepenco9295 It can fix some issues, but overall, due to it being WAY more moddable, it will be easier for Rome Remastered to bridge the gap and get closer to a game for everyone, rather than DEI.

[@danielepenco9295]

@@MelkorGG Thanks for kind answer.I dare another question...I've tried Total Conquest but i don't know how switch off logging.....what logging...where logging..lol..if u answer i'll translate and,perhaps,understand...

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

CONGRATS ON 10K!!!!

[@AndysTake]

Thank you!!! :D

[@brr9249]

i have no nostalgia connection to the total war series, but decided to try rome remastered first and fell in love with it. I put 30 hours played in the first two weeks of owning it. For some reason, I havent been able to stick with Rome 2 for more than a few hours. It's probably because I am a noob, but I seem to feel a bit lost out there and don't like the new building system for improving territories. I keep losing track of my armies and dont care for the fact they need a general in order to move somewhere. I liked just dumping reinforcements of any amount from province to province in Rome remastered if a certain city needed more backup. For me I suppose its the "keep it simple stupid" aspect that makes me enjoy Rome remastered more. The updated graphics/map in Rome 2 are so aesthetically pleasing though, which is why I keep trying to get into it, but again, it seems Rome remastered has won me over and I am probably just sticking with that.

[@anarchopupgirl]

I'd honestly play solely Rome Remastered if the AI wasn't diplomatically as it always was; super aggressive and horrifically fickle, and often just stubborn. We've all had trade rights asked for right before they besiege a town at least once.

[@anarchopupgirl]

Trying to make friends with the Ptolemies as Seleucia is... Agonising. Even if you give them tens of thousands of sestertii and ally them, they'll just break it next turn

[@AndysTake]

Yeah I absolutely hate that about Total War AI, and is why I’m a big proponent of PDX-like diplomatic rules of conduct where you have actual “cannot attack an overlord unless”, “white peace until X lest losing a ton of stability”, etc. PDX AI is absolutely awesome I feel, and the relationships mostly stand strong over time as well unless you ACTUALLY head on collision courses as rival powers or something.

[@anarchopupgirl]

I am BEGGING creative assembly to take a leaf out of paradox's book on EU4

[@pansenstich6932]

At least in Rome 1 the AI doesn't reject trade rights no matter what just because they have been programmed to dislike you. The again, at least in Rome 2 alliances weren't pointless lol. I'm not into making videos, but someone should make some kind of comedy sketch where people are behaving like Total War diplomacy AI, that could be hilarious. "You're not important i don't like you fuck off" "Oh you're important now? Well i hate you even more fuck off"

[@johnirby8847]

Rome total war wasn't a game to make friends. It was a game with incredible combat that even to this day hasn't been replicated. Charging you feel the impact. Morale was extremely important. So many great things CA just abandoned 😞

[@gamer_talking]

Imagine that a new player starts with western roman empire campaign in total war Attila 😂😂😂😂😂

[@AndysTake]

Good luck 😉

[@johnirby8847]

Because the combat was horrible. They had Barbarian Invasion to work from 😢

[@shiroamakusa8075]

Rome2 any day. Rome1, even the remastered version, is clunky as hell and its depiction of the ancient world is completely off the mark (Bronze Age Egyptians, Unified Barbarians and Greeks, "secret Amazon villages", one-handed pikemen/hoplites, moo-moo wearing Spartans...the list goes on and on) . And you only even get internal politics if you play as the oh-so authentic Feudal Confederation of Rome. Battles suck with zippy, rocket-boot troops, school of fish cavalry and pathfinding that's apparently made to be as rage-inducing as possible. O yeah, and all factions are apparently run like the Mafia and one family occupies all positions of authority. Rome1 was my second ever TW title after Med2, but thank god I'm nearly immune to nostalgia.

[@jacopofolin6400]

Was my First title and you are right, even more Rome II whit DEI Is probably the best Total war

[@stevenjames6830]

Yeah but rome 1 is actually fun where is Rome two is boring and extremely convoluted

[@frodberserk]

Played Rome Total War since its release in 2004. Best game I've ever played. Always coming back to it now and then.

[@Secondscapes]

same same. did you play MP? my tag was DoughFather.

[@peterbray5383]

What I love about RTWII, (which I wish was in NTW) is the ability for amphibious assaults and NGFS (Naval Gunfire Support). Onagers on board a trireme is great. How about HMS Elephant providing NGFS to the Royal Marines taking out shore batteries?

[@BlueLineofthesky]

For me, for some reason, Rome 2 is dull and boring. from all lines and dlc, the best TW game, in my opinion are: Medieval Total WAR 2 and Rome 1. Barbarian Invasion is also good.

[@JNF590]

My 1st Total War is Rome 1. As a child i was fascinated by the Greeks so i had to learn the hard way to finish the Roman Campaign so I can unlock the Greeks. Then Rome 2 Came out sadly I never played that title but my facination Kept me watching alot of Rome 2 content on KZbin. Just by watching I prefer Rome one and thank god after years of year's not playing. Rome Total War 1 is now on mobile and i play it often.

[@kahldris1228]

I forgot about that aspect!!! I can recall now going after some far flung empire and defeting then just so i could play them haha.

[@Novachrono641]

haha as a greek just hearing him say malaka was just way too funny it was out of the blue

[@gavinsepicgaming9835]

I would say skip rome 2 and buy medieval 2 and play europa barbarorum 2, I've been playing as rome for 220 turns and I have never played a total war campaign this long, there are so many units and you can actually recruit all of them because in other provinces you recruit the natives not your own soldiers like in every other total war game, there is reforms and certain events like carthage declared war on me for besieging messana, and it still has the engine of medieval 2, but rome remastered is probably quite good too since it is remastered but still rome and has a lot of good mods aswell, also I know about DEI I just personally like europa barbarorum over DEI.

[@MoRDekai1364]

5:33 U r right about the AI issues but for the icons...it reminded me of AOE and this made the whole xp easier. I hate ALL the Rome II icons: they r kinda understandable but the style feels outdated. They also removed the face covering helmets of some units (like Greek Militia ) and changed Greek/ Macedon helmet styles into much more ordinary looking.

[@wights6365]

Thats not even a question original rome is the best of the two

[@ozgurceltikci9106]

Comparing RTW:R and TWRII with Imperator Rome music playing behind! See what you did there 😃

[@kfjkllaliekastes]

We need a very good jugability or playability. Like massive software or dwarf fortress but in the battles of total war.

[@catalinmarius3985]

I hate the fact that we have 3 Total War Rome games and none is a perfect game. How about a game with: - Rome 2's size and number of campaigns - Rome 2's number of unique units and unique factions - Rome 1's building constructions mechanics and roads. - Rome 2's march stances except also being able to build forts. - Rome 1's generals upgrade system based on what they do rather than perks. - Rome 1's population mechanics and town mechanics. - Rome 1's research mechanics. - Rome 2's internal political system but with imperium removed and better fleged internal factions. - Rome 2's battle annimations. - Total War Wahrammer 3's campaign multiplayer of up to 8 players.

[@johnirby8847]

All the mods have gone to the remaster since the unlimited factions update! There are mods that add hundreds of factions with maps that extend past India!

[@Augustus_Imperator]

People complain about the smaller armies going around, but more than once while Rome was still expanding small forces torched the all place around in Italy without the republic being able to do anything about it, the father of Hannibal himself torched all of Sicily with a small number of men during the first punic war without that Rome was able to do anything about it, losing supplies and having cities sieged and blocked by tiny contingents, also if I have the men I don't get why I can't have small contigents around as a peace management force or a checkpoint while extending the real army beyond the borders. I really like the feel of managing the cities too in Rome 1: it's a lot better, it's straight forward, you can build whatever you like if you have the requirements, and that's about it. It's not like "uh oh you already built barracks three cities down the road, so you'll have to stick to coal mines", that's just a dumb mechanic that needlessly restricts the player, I would rather have buildings cost double the resources than just being arbitrarily being locked off for no reason whatsoever.

[@praetoriancorps]

I would like to play rome remastered, with the animations and settlement conversion and destruction from Rome 2 / Attila and also with the possibility for factions to rise again. And live hotseat where the defender can also do battle ofcourse.

[@sedoskovelha123]

This question will only be relevant when and if the mods for remastered kick off.

[@aceshotz5051]

Rome Remastered all the way, it tells you something when a game is only playable with a mod, imo without DEI Rome 2 is nothing. Plus Rome 2 at launch was a mess. Imo the units looked cooler in 1 with the colors, the armor etc also the siege battles were peak! Units couldn’t retreat off of walls when committed and a slaughter commenced Only reason why Rome 2 is still relevant is DEI and multiplayer battles

[@stevewatson6839]

First I've heard of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion fixing anything. This game needs a BLM/Antifa button so you can just totally destroy a city rather than simply massacre 3/4 of the population! 🙂Seriously; if the battle engine, which just smushes units into one another rather than have them fight properly, isn't ever sorted; even 'Divide et Impera' won't fix anything about 2. I'd rather play vanilla 1. REMASTERED seems even more borked than I remember that being; I didn't think it was possible to make a game objectively worse than 2. 🤬

[@aceshotz5051]

@@stevewatson6839 lol good joke, not sure why you included BLM and Antifa but whatever floats your boat

[@stevewatson6839]

@@aceshotz5051 All both do is totally destroy things.

[@ivanlarav]

Great video Andy, I prefer Rome remaster with RIS, but to be honest I am still waiting for the perfect ancient total war experience. On another note, have you ever heard about a game called Imperiums Greek Wars? I know that this game gives an awful first impression, but graphics aside, I think it is one of the best strategic antiquity games ever made, and for a game made by basically one guy it deserves to receive a little more attention and love

[@barkinpeker1907]

It's really bad btw. Imperator Rome is way better at the genre.

[@AndysTake]

Thank you so much, Candidat! Yes I have heard about it, I’ve even tried it, but I just couldn’t lol. Call me a graphics w*ore, but I just can’t with certain visual styles :/

[@Secondscapes]

RTW multi-player was completely epic...the community was epic. Rome 2 can't hold a candle.

[@chupetaparamahboy]

i don't care about how pretty the game map looks. i play total war for the battles not to stare at the campaign man, and the battles in rome 2 suck. units have no weight or presence on the battlefield. they can only interact through synchronized animations, the game rolls a dice for each model attacking eachother and based on the result the unit model attacks/kills/dies/defends, it plays out this on a incredibly stupid Hollywood-like animation. you clash two unit formations and every soldier in the unit 1v1's the guy in front of him. yes the motion capped fancy animations look pretty and all (pretty stupid) but this is not how battles at the time were fought, soldiers in a formation would cover and protect eachother, they would push, shove and interrupt their enemy, the frontlines would shift and move and the overwhelmed units would start slowly backing up losing ground to their opponent. that's the whole point of fighting in a formation! but rome 2 doesn't simulate this, clash two units and watch every soldier 1v1 the guy in front of him on a static front that doesn't shift or move until one of the units rout. rome 1 (and rome remastered) for all it's faults and crude animations does an incredible job at simulating how battles were really fought at the time. which is not only more realistic but it's also better gameplay wise. it's a problem every post empire total war game suffers from, these canned synced animations that just ruin the battles and therefore the game for me. you can even see how they started implementing said animations in medieval 2 and the combat is worse for it. so yeah, i'll stick with rome 1 unil CA figures out how to make a good game again.

[@jota357]

Why don't we just combine Rome II and Remastered into a Rome 3 and get it over with.

[@AndysTake]

I’m up for that.

[@mollyscullyscully80]

With population mechanics and others from Divide et Impera PLEASE

[@jota357]

@@mollyscullyscully80 Yes

[@jota357]

@@AndysTake Is it actually possible to make a petition for such a thing?

[@greg6162]

*Best comment on here!!!*Never played the series but I watch TW: Medieval channels and love RTS/RTW games!! Don’t have a PC so it’s either Total War on my iPhone 14 Pro Max… or wait for COH 3 for my PS5? I wish they would port the Total War series to PS5… you could add a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse now so it would work and the system could certainly handle the frame rate and big troop numbers

[@ashleyburns6752]

If Rome II just had images for units icons and proper names (for example Macedonian Pikemen being called Sarissa Spears) it would be great. DEI is great but the load times ruin it.

[@stevewatson6839]

A Sarissa is a type of pike, not a spear, which is dory/doru. If you are going for pedantic it is neccessary not to be wrong.😉

[@keithcastillo5434]

I never played any total war games, I love RTS games and was checking metacritic for the highest scoring RTS games. Rome Total war is one of the highest. RTS games I have played Command & Conquer Red Alert and Generals, Age of Empires 3, TheLordOfTheRingsBattleForMiddleEarthRiseOfTheWitchKing, StarCraft 1 +2, Northgard.

[@johnirby8847]

Rome 1, the Remaster, and Medieval 2 still outclass any historical title CA has put out since. Rome 2 is boring and dumbed down to absurdity. Not to mention, the collision feels like a wet noodle. There's zero tactics. If you aren't great at strategy, pick Rome 2 or Atilla.

[@jonasnee]

im confused, you called rome 1 battles slow? but like rome 2s battles are the ones that are slow and certainly the very opposite of dynamic with little to no moral impact from things like flanking and general poor balance.

[@catalyst772]

Rome Remastered with mods peried. Rome 2 feels like a joke and its building system is just a Tabletop board game ripoff. No fucking walls in Syrakousai? The City of Archimedes?????

[@AndysTake]

Yeah I hate that. I really don’t like the arbitrary restrictions and decisions they made

[@name_christian]

Rome 1 is on iPad. So there is only this for me :)

[@AndysTake]

You’ll get Medieval II as well in like two weeks! :D

[@name_christian]

@@AndysTake wohooo!

[@Christian_Bagger]

My expectations for Rome Remastered were better working environment for the modders. I’ve no faith in CA to make a comptent game anymore, so I’ve for the most part just let the game simmer.. gonna try out the new Lord of the Rings mod soon!

[@martinveleba5397]

"Its an easy choice for us, Arcadian"! IMHO Rome 2 with DEI rules them all. :-)

[@MedjayofFaiyum]

By the way the way you're saying how Rome II is good now....some fans would be like: NEVER!!!! lol

[@Artvelgui904]

0.19 thats some nice archer shooting

[@markus717]

Thanks for your review but, sadly, I could barely understand your English. I suggest that you emphasize speaking clearly over speed. Please enunciate your syllables to be understood. For anyone who wants it faster, KZbin offers speed control up to 2X's. As for comparing the Rome versions, it's lose - lose in many ways. Rome Remastered has the battle graphics of 20 years ago. Rome 2 has amazing battle graphics but so many bad game designer choices. eg: Anyone interested in history would know that the number one attribute of the Roman Empire was in its road & fortification building, yet the designers took those out! It was great in Rome 1 to achieve a great victory with a captain and create a new general character. Gone! Rome 1 also had fantastic graphics for the soldier cards: the Hastati, Principae & Triarii, etc. Rome 2 threw all that away. Sad. Question: Has anything really been upgraded with the A.I. in either of the games?

[@hernandogaribaldi8627]

I like both games but I definetly like Rome 2 better, especially battles. Modwise and campaingwise, Rome is better (but only for a small margin since both are quite modable)

[@gerardotejada2531]

Take off the nostalgia googles, Rome 2 is the best for newcomers. Show them Rome 1 and some wont comeback. Its a 2004 game and It shows. I think Rome 2 players wont jump the ship, even worse, I think they will love all the modern improvements on Rome 2

[@stevenjames6830]

Rome 2 is literally boring as hell I just got into the tw games. I played both of them. Rome 2 is incredibly complicated and ads all this stuff that doesn’t make the game anymore fun battles are ridiculous and the AI just forms massive blobs, the troops look ugly. The music isn’t as good. Please. It’s not “ nostalgia” Rome 1 remastered with mods is better than Rome 2 any day of the week.

[@MaskofPoesy]

The 2004 one.

[@Jose-tv2pl]

nicee video man

[@ptom4456]

Played both. Cant get into Rome 2, seems more casual yet more complicated at the same time. My buddy swears by Rome 2 but litterally everything about 1 is better than 2. Pathfinding in battles is my only complaint.

[@notariomo3325]

As a casual veteran since Medieval 1 - Warhammer III, I'll stick with remastered; Rome II and especially DEI mod's gameplay feel slow and awkward. It simply doesn't have a good flow, giving history an undue priority over playability.

[@windblownleaf6450]

Rome 2 is better because of one single reason: co-op

[@diego2817]

Well I don't have friends to play co op some Rome 1 is better... Co op is overrated

[@cezarpall1650]

Rome Remastered is tausend times better than Rome II (with DEI). The city/civilisation building aspect in Remastered is better than R.II, the battles in Remastered have depth and tactics. The battles in R.II (DEI also) are only some little animations for the first line of soldiers and the rest are dummies, the fight is ending before it really starts and strategy/tactics are non-existant. R.II do not even disguise the only algorithm of the game to disproportionally attack the human player and if there are not enough adversaries than creating revolting troops out of nowhere (even in provinces with 100% approval). Factions that are at war with each other waiting on the same spot to only attack the human player. R.II is still after the disastrous vanilla and tons of updates and mods a piece of garbage in comparison to Remastered. If R.II was any good Remastered hadn't had so much success. After Medieval II CA decided to got only the looks but less and less quality or real strategy or historical accuracy.

[@User50981]

its not tho

[@jd7896]

So would you consider medieval 2 the best at the moment? I've been playing it a lot lately and it is definitely quite enjoyable

[@cezarpall1650]

@@jd7896 Medieval 2 with his many mods is in the same way like Remastered a superb Total War. I like it very, very much. Before Remastered came out, I played exclusively Medieval 2 and Mods for it. Only for one example, Medieval 2 with the mod "De Bello Mundi" is still a much better Total War than Rome 2.

[@jd7896]

@@cezarpall1650 have you tried europa barbarorum 2?

[@cezarpall1650]

@@jd7896 Yes! A very good mod! I loved it as well! I would love to play Europa Barbaorum in Remastered! If possible with the big map from Imperatoris Mundi or maybe the new RTR: Imperium Surrectum map.

[@simonsimons1252]

What I hate about R2TW is how a lot of the mechanics are vague or completely unexplained, even with tutorials. 10 years later and I still have no clue how food or families are supposed to work, and since the AI ignores all of the deeper mechanics anyway it can feel pretty frustrating, and in my opinion overhauls like DEI make it even worse. They greatly increase the difficulty of the mechanics on the player side, but give the AI even more cheat codes and hidden buffs. It stops feeling realistic and hardcore when the AI can spawn free armies out of nowhere at a rate that's beyond the vanilla game. I feel like the Rome Remaster and the eventual Medieval Remaster will also outdo the newer games in modding, since there are way fewer restrictions on the engine.

[@TheUltraGamer98]

"Alexander campaign yeah ... malaka" bursted out laughing 😅😅😅

[@Simonhenerickson]

Rome 2 for the win.

[@patrickleonard4187]

Best Roman total war to play: Atilla. Bar none. And spool up that medieval 1212 mod. Technically, the Byzantines were Romans. They called themselves Romans, we should too.

[@AndysTake]

I’m with you there ;) but Attila technically isn’t Rome III so..

[@shaquillewang3376]

@@AndysTake Any idea about making a review on Ancient Empires mod of Attila?

[@mollyscullyscully80]

I think the 1200 AD mod for Rome 2 is far superior at this point

[@patrickleonard4187]

@@mollyscullyscully80 I've never tried that, but I love Rome 2 and the naval battles. It's like Attila but brighter and simpler, and with ships.

[@martind5653]

My Rome Remastered is broke somehow, I have several achievements for destroying other factions as Brutii but if I want to start new campaing I have only Romans and Macedon unlocked which is kinda a bummer I want to unlock them by playing. But Germania, Dacia and Pontus aren't unlocked for some reason.

[@KCkohler]

Should I play Rome remastered before playing Rome 2 ? Story wise does it make a difference? Is Rome 2 a different time period?

[@greg6162]

My question also… Rome is still the antiquity time period but I’ve heard the units glob up in Rome 2 and the way the units each have their own space is better in the original TW: Rome… but TW: Rome 2 has much better graphics

[@Didar-rn3dz]

They are both in the same time line but some of the factions are different and the map is smaller in rome remastered rome remastered also comes with barbarian invasion takes place in 363ad and Alexander the great campaign

[@Didar-rn3dz]

Also pepolesay the battles are better in rome remastered in the new games they have a HP system so people saythe battles feel less realistic

[@johnsamuel1999]

As somone whos first total war game was shogun 2 and then rome 2 . I feel like Rome 2 is much better . However there are a good amount of areas where rome 1 wins

[@AndysTake]

Understandable, John!

[@DustinBarlow8P]

I didn't like Hirtory lessons in school. Now however I CAN'T GET ENOUGH of history, mainly the warfare,. I love my mideival, I love my Roman and Byzanitine warfare, however my heart is firmly in teh Seleucid Emire. I am fairly certain that Seleucus is my ancestor, and I just can't get enough of playing as my Selucids. As anyody who plays Ancient History inspired games, there aern't many games that include my Ancient home! lol

[@TimmacTR]

R1R

[@kittykatsamurai1569]

I honestly prefer the more simpler Rome Remastered engine and mechanics, Rome 2 is great in its own right. But with the Mighty Imperium Surrectum mod. Rome Remastered is perfect

[@diego2817]

Rome q campaign and barbarian invasion campaigns is just awesome. Rome 2 is trash

[@secretsix43]

I want to like Rome 2, but it's so boring. The UI, the graphics, the voice acting, the music, everything just feels dull and drab. Auto-resolve is so good that I can almost never justify fighting battles on the field. Building your cities feels more like a puzzle than progression. Ironically, the internal politics of Rome 2 is my favorite feature despite it being near universally hated. It's oddly deep and rewarding once you learn it. I just wish the rest of the game could keep my interest. Rome 1 on the other hand immediately grabs my attention every time I start it back up. It's unbalanced, it's not historical, it's clunky, it's kind of dumb, but it has so much charm and personality. It will always be the pinnacle of Total War to me.

[@edlubitz2968]

original Rome because of the game engine, and all the great mods

[@greg6162]

This is my exact question… *Should I get Rome or Rome 2… never played the series,* due to not having a solid PC. Always played PS2 etc…. But remember seeing this game and feeling like I was missing something special. Still don’t have a PC but thinking of getting this for the campaign.

[@mutedunknown2734]

Say what you want, I believe Rome 1 is just an underwelming game for the time and it's just nostalgia that is keeping the game alive

[@volbound1700]

Although I think Rome 2 is good, there are just several items from the old school Total Wars that are just better. Here is where Rome: TW is just better IMO: 1. City management is a lot better in Rome TW, I just like the setup with population, buildings (with the graphics), etc. 2. Navy: I like that you need fleets to move your armies instead of just walking into water 3. Army Management: I like that you can build armies in your cities and move around. Although the army stacks is a better idea when it comes to AI (it gets annoying in Rome: TW to fight wave after wave of wimpy stacks sent out by the AI). However, I like controlling the garrison of the cities 4. Greece: Greece has more cities and is more dynamic. I felt like Greece was too small in Rome 2. It was the central power of that time and it really ruins playing Macedon or other Greek states that taking Greece is so easy 5. Seleucia: This is better done in Rome TW historically although they are too weak and AI Seleucia gets killed immediately (however they are a blast to play as). I felt like Babylon/Seleucia province should have been owned directly by Seleucia player although I do like their vassal system. Need a way to annex Vassals, however Things about Rome 2 that are better 1. Army stacks is a cool concept but I hate not having stronger garrisons to watch our lines so a blend of both would have work better 2. Extending map to India 3. Leveling up the characters 4. More factions 5. Egypt is actually historically correct 6. The other campaigns are nice, especially Augustus one, Aurelian one, and the Peloponnesian War one. Surprised we never got an Alexander the Great one...

[@volbound1700]

Also to add, as weird as this sounds, I like the aesthetic of the original Rome better. It has better music, brighter graphics, etc. Even without the remastered, it just looks better. It holds up well today graphically. Gameplay wise, it is a little better as well. I feel like Rome 2 emphasizes ranged units too much. I feel like the units behave and function better from a historical perspective in Rome 1 even if most of the factions have fantasy-like units (war dogs, bronze age Egypt, etc.).

[@TiGGowich]

What's the mod that makes the graphics and campaign map look so much better?

[@durdellgaming]

Rome 2 is best total war ever. Most beautiful sounds and effects and atmosphere

[@milosstojanovic4623]

Yeah rome 2 is awesome. Though politics and family is a bit difficult to manage, especially in later period. For me it became assassin's creed game, i needed to assassinate a lot, and i mean a lot of people, i had one or two assassin's with max lvl everything killing people all over the east 😁 i played with Seleucid, very good faction, conquered most of the east. 😁