"Mini-Leds TV's Massive Gain, Is Oleds TV's Loss"

In 2024, we see a fascinating change in direction in the TV industry. Very large MiniLED's are now the focal point for many manufacturers. Bigger , brighter and cheaper . Will this be the end of Oled, which I feel is the superior technology . You tell me! Thank you for watching.
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[@kevinhoque6365]

Mini led has been getting cheaper and improving in image quality. Oled has been improving in image quality, at the high end, but the prices have not been getting cheaper. If anything they have been drifting higher. Effectively, this is moving backwards.

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

Oled hasnt been improving in picture quality, they have just gotten brighter. Mini Led processing has been getting better, the dimming zones have increased and they have gotten brighter.

[@ibzman1393]

Well obviously getting better with the infinite contrast

[@samirshah5411]

I just got the Hisense 100 inch U8K, I absolutely love this thing will never go back to a smaller TV again. For $3,000 I opted to go with that than a 83” OLED for way much more money for a marginally better image. I set my 100U8K 10 feet from our couch and it’s perfect. The living room/kitchen is 47 feet long in a bright room and being able to see the game/movie from anywhere is priceless!

[@KINGEYEAM]

R.I.P Oled, R.I.P plasma… lcd has always been around and now with mini led lcd panels are taking over.

[@bigcdub]

Lmao, I'll take my Oled's all day and everyday over MiniLed, that's why I got rid of it...

[@ProudPapaKY]

​@@bigcdubIf things stay on this current path, I see Oled being like projectors. High-end pricing and limited to a very small niche of customers. Both are in danger of being priced out by large mini led tvs at the $6k price range and under.

[@ricome169]

we are sorry. But you can give oled to friend and buy a miniLed@@bigcdub

[@lilpain1997]

Just no. As someone who actually buys these to test them in real world scenarios mini LED looses... Every mini LED I have tested looses to WOLED/QD OLED in image quality by a large enough margin that the extra you spend on OLED is more than enough. You get far faster response times, no local dimming lag at all, no extra latency added when local dimming is on, far superior colours, far better contrast which also gives you far better shadow detail. The only thing mini LED wins in... Is brightness in larger windows... That is literally it. And that is not what HDR is all about. Playing games you quickly notice that lights are small and most take up like 1% of the screen at a time... Mini LED even with large zone counts cannot handle that stuff so they dim it a ton to reduce blooming which is still there. Loosing that contrast and shadow detail along with highlights is more than enough to make me go OLED over mini LED every single time.

[@aarongibson7090]

Just ordered a 75 " QM8 for $1299. Unbelievable value

[@michael-4k4000]

u cant beat that. how many nitts does the QM8 have? Nice deal bro. 75" is a great size.....

[@aarongibson7090]

@@michael-4k4000 been tested at 2500 nits

[@madcalm2024]

It also should be mentioned that regualar OLEDs have halos and contrast impact in smaller details comparable to miniLEDs because of additional (protection, anti glare etc) layers after matrix which deflect, reflect and dissipate some portion of light.

[@loki76]

One thing to add to the equation. Any person that comes from an LCD/LED and they upgrade. Almost all MiniLEDs are a big upgrade. If they saw blooming on their old set. They will see much less on the newer ones. Same applies to better picture and processing. So it's just 100% upgrade for an LED user. Now a person that owns an older OLED going MiniLED means they do lose that infinite contrast and might see tiny amount of blooming. So for them it's egregious. But not for someone like me that comes from a 900E. I like that TV. But imagine the upgrade I would get with almost any MiniLED in 2024. I am not "losing" out on anything. In fact I will also go bigger. From 65" to 75 or 85". So for me a MiniLED like maybe the new Sony is just a huge improvement. Going OLED it's new things I would experience like ASBL and yes maybe burn in risk even if minute. But me going MiniLED I am not loosing or risking anything. Just all win win. I think most consumers are like me. They don't come from OLED.

[@chadhunter8757]

My 75" 900E is still going strong. Although this year I'm getting something new. I'm torn between the 83" OLED from Sony or the 85" Mini LED from Sony.

[@kommandantklink5032]

Hisense & TCL aggressive pricing on these large screen TV's and people buying them have opened the eyes up of the big three brands and the future of TV buying going forward has appeared to change. Must admit I didn't see it changing so quickly. I believe you guys are 100 percent correct. Mini LED TV's that can get near OLED blacks and can achieve a size and price point that OLED can't get to is really attractive to the average consumer. The only real weakness that would remain for Mini LED TV's is the drop in picture quality when viewing off angle compared to an OLED. That will be important to a segment of customers. Not sure how big that segment is?

[@tazboy1934]

They need to put an ATW POLARIZER

[@loki76]

OLED obviously because it's "per pixel" illumination and control is the best technically. I'd say MiniLED has advanced so much that in a room with light in it. A miniLED can today (the best ones) go toe to toe with OLED in black level and even contrast. Because how our eyes work. With light in a room the "veil" in the eye and scattering of light we cannot discern perfect black anyway. Because the black on the screen will be the blackest in the field of view. In a pitch dark room it's different. Also MiniLED still have the APL advantage in big bright scenes. MiniLED still has so much headroom to grow and because they can become really big now and not even super expensive. They have a path of profitability and access for most consumers. OLED is niche in that regard still.

[@lilpain1997]

Nah it wont, Mini LED looses in highlights and shadow detail massively. I will say they are getting better and better with more zones but it wont go toe to toe even in a lit room. Someone who buys these with his own money and tests them

[@user-fw7pt1gd2l]

Like Rob Brennen said everybody wants the best tv but only wants to spend like $200. Fomo Just said you can make the perfect tv but if its $6,000 you're greatly limiting your customer base. Doesn't matter how good the food is at a restaurant if you can't afford to eat there. Everything matters people want bang for that buck. Thats why the X90L is Sony's best seller. Its reasonably priced and hits a lot of marks. I mean who the hell even wants to spend $4,000 on a tv. It gets to the point where do I get my kids braces? or watch Star Wars for the millionth time with 5,000 dimming zones. Hell for me 2,000 is pushing it. I tell my friends I'm spending $2,000 on a TV and they act like I'm crazy. Thank you, Brian, and Fomo for greater content.

[@calgary2800]

Don't forget the lifespan of TV., use to be over 10 years. Now they are saying its 5 years usage. So are people suppose to buy a 3k TV every 5 years? What if you have multiple rooms and need 3 sets. Thats like over 5k for TVs. If Oleds do not come down in price say bye bye.

[@samirshah5411]

I connected the PS5, Xbox Series X, and the Switch. Gaming with the kids especially 4 players in multiplayer on a the 100” U8K has been life changing.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

That's awesome! Thank you for watching!

[@rogercravens3418]

I bought a Hisense U8K 100 inch. It took me a while to get the settings right, but it definitely rivals oled now, at 1/10 the price! Ultra short throw might as well sell off what they built, and go home. Totally agree Fomo, if Hisense can do better out of the box, game over.

[@grantorino9049]

It doesnt 🤷‍♂️ thats an entry level TV. Maybe it rivals an entry level OLED. But for sure no 2023 LG / Panasonic / Sony. When talking about top tier Mini LED, than its for sure the Sony X95L

[@rogercravens3418]

It may be entry level price, but not and entry level TV, read some reviews. I will be the first to admit, the Hisense is not that great out of the box, Sony is better. But after a week of adjusting using various content, it is awesome! The Sony X90L vs Hisense U8K is not close, so even if Sony made the X95L in 100 inch, it is unlikely to be significantly better. Sony's software is better, but the hardware has fallen way behind. The larger the screen, the more evident that becomes. Side by side with a 97" OLED, I would assume my Hisense would not look as good, but way closer than you think. And $30k vs $3k. Or, you could by 77" OLED at a similar price, but 99 out of 100 people would rather have the 100" with very slightly less picture quality. I think that is the point of what FOMO and Brian were saying. OLED may be better, but not enough better to justify the price.

[@rafaelescobar6831]

Gentlemen,great video. I too am one of those purists. I recently bought a Hisense 65u8k tv for my partner to watch movies and to stream. She could give s rat's *** about picture quality, good enough for her. I set it up for theater picture and sound mode and called it a day. I also have an LG 65cxpua OLED and projector with a 110" screen in a dedicated room, so life is good. Thankful for all these blessings.

[@lltffd]

I personally think the quality gap isn’t that big between the two techs, with each having some big drawbacks…but at the end of the day, I want to watch my tv how I want to watch my tv, for as long as I want on any source…so I’ll never go oled for my main set. I love that you both talk about non oled tvs , because other major reviewers are oled only, and I’ve checked out.

[@julioirizarry4262]

Excellent video! Good to see you guys as always great informative and entertaining content. Still loving my 83 A90j you guys recommended me. Julio

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

Won’t ever give up my contrast and OLED at 83inch is more then enough big size for me

[@cemsengul16]

Same bro. I only have a 55 inch G3 but I don't think I can ever go back to LCD.

[@zr1cvette]

55 A80K and a 65 A95L. No way I go back to LED lol. I converted my Uncle the last 2 years who went for cheap size in the summer of 22. 70 inch Walmart LG. Then in 2023 I talked him into the 55 C2. He likes to double tv on football Sundays lol. Then this year when he was ready to get a tv for his basement. I told him to go 77 S89C lol. He definitely sees the difference and wouldn’t go back. Is underwhelmed by his 70 lol. I think if you had more impactful demos in the stores comparing the techs OLED could gain more ground. Obviously the price shopper doesn’t care. But people that are willing to engage can be converted. That’s how I sold when I was Sony VPL at my BestBuy last year.

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

same i always been a quality man over quantity so no thanks i dont want a big cheap tv quality of OLED ALL DAY 83 IS HUGE FOR ME IM SUPER GOOD HAVING THE 83 KING

[@zr1cvette]

@@MrStrictlyOLED A90J?

[@vacguy77]

I had a 83" A90J and when I stepped up to a Z9J, the brightness and vibrancy made me feel like I had been cheated all of the years I had OLED. Will never go back!!

[@hemicuda699]

Im one of the nit nerds. I have a 55 inch OLED. Im willing to pay but It is getting very hard to justify 6k+ for an 83 inch G4 when I can get 100 inches for half the price.

[@madcalm2024]

OutOfBox miniLED picture quality also depends on choosen panel. For instance, recent BoE's QLED ADS panels ( Chip On Glass with integrated miniLED backlight layer, Active Matrix with 3x3 dimming zones, Flicker Free etc) don't involve the need in (varying from device to device or from model to model) analog calibration anymore. The instance of TV with such panel - SkyWorth SUE 9600 / Metz Q52 which looks very well out of box.

[@mohamedahmed1023]

For those of us that aren't looking for large sizes beyond 85". we would need to see a sufficient volume of content at above 1000 nits as well as an improvement in dimming control for this to be interesting. If we continue to see content at 1000 nits, I'm sticking with QD OLED.

[@mircomeser7217]

miniLEDS are great but to my eye OLEDS appear sharper and more three dimensional

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

They most definitely do! Micro contrast of an oled is a beautiful thing!

[@mircomeser7217]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY OLEDS look as if they have a bit additional resolution. on top everything looks more three dimensional. sometimes you have a feeling of looking through a window rather than at a screen. i would rather have those qualities over 1-2k nits more on a miniLED. would be awesome if you guys talk about those qualties more, because i think many arent aware of it, they rather look at spec sheets and those qualities are something you have to see for yourself in person

[@robbielynmccrary872]

i hv an lg c3 and while these specs seem great i don’t trust it. i need sharpness and reality.

[@MSDOGS1976]

I have a 5-6 y/o Sony x930e led tv in my vacation condo. When I turn it on I'm amazed at the quality and 3d effect it has. A tv way ahead of it's time. I would be happy to buy another one of those for my primary home if available today.

[@rbednarczyk]

Love this format you have going with FOMO. Cheers Brian, thanks for the video :)

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Thank you so much, my friend! We appreciate you being here.

[@rct8884]

I have qd oled and woled and they are the better panel tec, HOWEVER, until they can provide a competitive price in the 85-98" size LED is the better tech (since OLED is absent in the larger sizes) for value as new Mini LED panel tech is 90-95% of OLED performance. I would choose Mini LED at 95% performance in the 98" hands down against a 77" OLED any day.

[@Alex335i]

But you don’t get to 95% performance. The price difference you mentioned is only if you consider Chinese brands and quality gap for movies/shows/upscaling is still huge. What you say only works for sports. I’m where you are and soon out for new tv. Wish to find 98" size with nice quality and hoping Sony gives us a good mini LED otherwise i have to go with G4. Chinese are still crap on processing and build quality. People don’t realize that with this size it needs to run for years without issues.

[@zr1cvette]

@@Alex335iwould never buy Chinese garbage that goes directly to the CCP. One of those companies the CCP has a stake in. It’s bad enough are stuff made there as is. But Atleast you know the money is going to an American, Japanese or South Korean company

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Miniled tvs have gotten really good in the past few years. I have the TCLR635 first miniled by them and I still love this TV. I think miniled tvs by TCL and Hisense and Sony will definitely continue to get better and better.😊

[@SHOman_86]

Great discussion gents! Been following since 2020 and you’ve kept it 💯 the whole time 👏👏🙏🙏

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Thank you so much for still being here my friend.

[@SHOman_86]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY still rocking the CX and R635, they have held up. Back then you guys said wait till 2025 so that’s what I’m doing 🤙

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Awesome!!

[@MM-Official]

Very realistic and "common sense" conversation, LG need to low the prices or Size will choke oled as it did to Plasma before

[@michigan1777]

Im so excited to see sonys new models

[@reggiemurphy7028]

me too

[@Sabundy]

Same here.

[@tonyzeno2715]

Me too... but realistically the xr90 will be so expensive especially its debut year.

[@rifulz]

Thanks for information, but is there information about the *_SAMSUNG QN95D_* yet? I really hope for that

[@michael-4k4000]

There might not be a QN95 0r 90d

[@robtrombino8943]

Known this for years now . . . In all honesty, everyone who has seen my calibrated 75" U8H automatically assumes it's an OLED. It really is that good.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

🎉Omg i remember u. Yeah hows that U8H? I LOVE ❤️ ❤❤❤❤u8H! I tried so hard to get U8H 75” they sold out so fast .

[@John-DiV]

Depends on your experience with both of them.

[@amarchandler565]

Not only the size, but if OLED is at 100% for reference, I have OLED and mini led and honestly the mini led is 95-96 percent there already for substantially cheaper. I honestly regret spending the money on the OLED. Very few cases in which I am blown away more by OLED rather than mini led.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Yeah, same here. Mini LED,. I LEAVE my tv on ALL the time. I dont have to live thru the stress of logo or burn in etc. I leave my tv on entire day when I leave my house . So my tv can play forest, n ocean , 🌊 whatever it is for my 🐶 at home. To drawn out noise . N they actually like music lol. I play House music, they will Pass out lol. 😂 😊

[@videobandit]

Have to argue with Fomo’s comment in the video that OLED’s haven’t dropped in price. I purchased a C1 55” for $1799. Just bought an S90C 65” QD-OLED, a step up in OLED technology and size, for $1440. Sounds like cheaper to me 😁😁 yes still more than a QM8 or X90 or U8 at same size but….. And then he stated that the 77” LG B series needs to be at $1500-1600 to be competitive. Aren’t we really close to that with a 77” S89C @ $1799?? With better performance than the B series?? This is the first time I have bought a Samsung TV in a long, long time and so far happy with PQ and brightness.

[@calgary2800]

Top end Mini Leds are the best value and picture quality is awesome to me. I love my 85 QN90C. No regrets.

[@sj460162]

Great video guys. Must admit I want to embrace oled as a new direction for me, Ive never had one. ......Brian and Fomo am I still better off with oled at 55?

[@kickin123]

I currently have a 110" projector and 50" plasma (kuoro lol) in my media room. I would love to consolidate to a single display but it will take at least a 100" panel for me to ditch the screen.

[@jeanst.germain9317]

Is there any concern about qc with a led screen so big? A few years ago, the uniformity was poor.

[@George-hl2xm]

Great show guys love watching you two together

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Thank you so very much ! We love having you here.

[@tonyzeno2715]

Way back when I started watching all these guys doing tv reviews... the #1 upgrade for a tv was said to be immersion.. larger size. Good picture quality in the largest size for a decent price, as opposed to a perfect picture in, say a max size of 77" which is what 2023 showed us all... with QD oled and MLA. I think very soon what is considered the standard "large" size tv will be 83/85 inches... we have 98 inch tvs right now for 2k. For oled to stay a viable tech.. they need to make qd oled/mla in the 83" size.. but get the cost down. In 2 or 3 years, this hopefully will be a reality. I personally will be buying an 85" miniled as it's the largest I can fit wall mounted above a fireplace.

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Plasma TVs had its peak area in 2008. With that I mean they sold the most Plasma TVs and had the biggest market share in this year. That was a time where you had a PS3, HD was starting to get big, but old analogue technology and SD was still around. However even in that best Plasma TV year LCD Tvs outsold Plasma TVs by a lot. 2008 Samsung had their beautiful "touch of red" LCD TVs. People bought LCD Tvs because they where less bulky and just modern technology. 2009 they sold almost twice as many LCD TVs as 2008. People got rid of their CRTs and Plasma was already hard to find in Retail. 2008 sales number: 22.1 million for direct-view CRT, 21.1 million for LCD, 2.8 million for plasma, and 0.1 million for rear projection. But when you watched Cnet, or some other enthusiasts review site: It was almost only about Plasma TVs, or at least very dominant. That shows how small the enthusiast bubble is.

[@tomy2988]

What’s crazy about those sales numbers is when I would walk thru Best Buy and view the tv’s, there was such a big difference in picture quality between plasma and led lcd. Nowadays that gap has closed between the best OLED’s and the rest. I do miss those days of the shootouts between Samsung and Panasonic Plasmas trying to surpass the Pioneer Kuro.

[@TechCody113]

There doing same thing with miniLED, literally every KZbin account besides me and quantum TV, just praises minLED to no end and never says anything bad about them, miniLED is far worse then regular LED, in fact I seen a side by side video that was posted just 5 months ago and the regular LED actually looked more sharp, OLED blacks are not realistic to begin with, there is no pitch blacks with shadow areas in real life, so the fact miniLED tries to copy is a sales scam, miniLED by FAR has had the worst screen uniformity, before 2019 we NEVER had any problems with DSE or banding, and all brands and models are just plagued with it, and doesn't help they all get there panels from china now, miniLED puts blue box's around icons, Sony is definitely the worst with it, miniLED has worse blooming and the algorithms are worse then traditional LED, I've seen more panels go out with miniLED last few years then we ever had with regular LED, miniLED with Samsung TVs has had allot of inverted color ghosting, miniLED is by far WORSE in every way compared to regular LED, and they always try to claim it has more brightness and contrast and color, not at all, that's only because miniLED took over before regular LED could actually advance, regular LED 65in TVs only came around 2010 and just around 2017 is when Samsung started using miniLED with QLED, and then several years later the rest followed, there just wasint enough time for regular LED to advance as good before miniLED took over. All junk, all sales scams, only tv on buying is the sharp XLED and I have a witness who was in Japan and he's all over the DSE and banding these days and he said was cleanest panels he's seen since mid 2000s. OLED sucks, miniLED sucks, regular LED will always be superior, they just ran out of ideas and can't sell same model for 5 years in a row so they come out with new junk that's worthless and of corse average family has no idea and sees all the fancy words on the box and think it's something good.

[@TechCody113]

@@tomy2988had a 2007 pioneer plasma tv LOL literally best picture and motion ever, they had the best plasma period

[@loki76]

@@TechCody113 MiniLED and old Regular LED is the exact same thing. The only difference is the MiniLED backlight is just smaller LEDs and more of them. They can do more zones because more light sources. The highest LED ever in zone count was Z9D because each LED was a zone. And they had some 1000 of them. Today a MiniLED can be 6,000 to -40,000 miniLEDs. It's all about quality of the product. Talking as though MiniLED is always worse. It's not. Samsung didn't do MiniLED in 2017, what are you on about. The First MiniLED from Samsung came out in 2021. QN90A. QLED is not miniLED. It just means Quantum LED. The miniLED by Samsung is NEO QLed. The "Neo" indicates MiniLED. Also Samsung wasn't first with MiniLED. It was TCL. You say a lot but most of it is just plain wrong. Regular LED cannot advance anymore. You really don't know what you're talking about. LED and MiniLED have the same LCD panels. It's just the light source that is smaller. But it's still BOTH LED. Sharp XLED. Is MINILED FFS!!!! What you are talking about "clean panel" Is the LCD panel itself. All of the LED and MiniLED use LCD panels. They're just different from difference manufacturers. It's kind of shocking how confused you are about all of this.

[@TechCody113]

@@loki76 oh great you again🙄

[@kommandantklink5032]

Agree with Fomo, I would like to see those bright stars but I would rather have $4,000 in my pocket.

[@richardzagozeski892]

In stead of projectors go for a micro LED system that can be in a bright room such as a Living Room and have your drapes open to see outside. You can have a 30 foot Micro Led if you can afford it.

[@Valdaemonium]

What I do like in LCD technology, as a whole, is simply the fact I don't need to search or even enable any software tricks to "safeguard the OLED pixels components". I want to use my tv with the brightness all the way up and just enjoy my contents not worrying about "blablabla my screen will wear off anytime". The fact: Organic components YES WILL WASTE AWAY, STARTING WITH BLUE PIXELS, period: it's a matter of WHEN👍: SO FAR, ANY LCD COLOR FILTER EVER WASTED, maybe its backlight (WHICH CAN BE CHANGED/FIXED👍) or some hardware components like wires or chips, BUT NEVER THE LCD ITSELF👍. and that's my first reason on buying LCD, to respect my money🤷😍

[@samirshah5411]

it would be interesting to see the profit margins on these TCLs and Hisense TVs

[@stevegabriel6982]

Brian S90C has never sold out at BB's in my region as well as S89C. I heard you say this a couple times lately, I'm sure they may have in other regions like the 85" U8K. Just an observation, enjoyed the video.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

Great topic bro.😊

[@Displays.1234.]

All the problems with LCD are still going to be with mini LED, you have to be realistic, size doesn't equal quality...

[@christiankansichi6622]

Can't wait to see your Samsung QN900D preview videos!

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Very very soon, my friend🤫

[@buenasondas1147]

Same. Some people are OLED are bust. I own a QN900C and a95l (77). I'm 8K or bust. I also prefer Samsungs motion handling. Once 8K upscaling is good enough 4K large TVs are dead to me.

[@hightidelowtide6380]

​@buenasondas1147 so, what is better? Your Sony, or your Qn900c?

[@buenasondas1147]

@hightidelowtide6380 I prefer the motion handling on the Samsung. They also just did a firmware update that improved the upscaling substantially. I like the colors a bit more on the Sony. Both great TVs but if I had to do it again, I would have bought a second QN900c for the other room instead of a Sony. That should answer your question

[@hightidelowtide6380]

@buenasondas1147 I appreciate your response regarding your experience. Do you think there is going to be a HUGE difference on the 900D?!

[@felixw5637]

My personal theory but there is a technology to where a LED based tv can achieve the same pure blacks as OLED but it is not being rolled out because the manufacturers don’t want to monopolize the tv industry with 1 technology. It benefits them more financially to have OLED, mini led, micro led and so on and so forth.

[@Quan_Vu]

Can’t wait to buy a 98/100inch lcd/led/miniled tv!!!! -

[@kb1767]

As always. You're kicking some ass! Great job bud!

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Much love KB!! Thank you so much!!

[@Lozin80]

I was literally in the store today inquiring about pre ordering either the 85” Samsung QN900D or the 83” G4 whichever I can get first and while there I stopped and looked at the 100” U76N and was damn impressed with what I saw and it’s much cheaper than the smaller Samsung & LG.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

That is exactly the effect we are discussing, my friend. Excellent comment, and thank you for watching.

[@hightidelowtide6380]

So, what did you buy??

[@Lozin80]

@@hightidelowtide6380 nothing yet, the Samsungs are just rolling out now here in Canada and the G4 won’t be available until closer to the end of April here. I’m planning on going to take a look at the Samsung next week

[@hightidelowtide6380]

@@Lozin80 I'm thinking qn900d myself. Too bad the S95D has matte.

[@Icipher4]

Any idea when we can expect pricing on the new TCL and Hisense lineup?

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Late spring, early summer

[@Icipher4]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY oh interesting, so they're way behind Samsung and LG.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

@Icipher4 not behind but strategically holding off😁

[@inceptionsd]

And now we have a TCL 115 inch tv. And again, the issue here is the fact that LG/Samsung display are not greedy, they just can't lower the prices because they would lose money, so they are stuck, and contrary to that, i think that TCL and Hisense have tons of extra headroom for mini-led specs, but dont feel the need to push it that fast, since there is no competition from the OLED industry.

[@jayronvalenzuela1694]

I watch sports (soccer), streaming apps, and movies. What TV do you recommend? My living room is a bit bright.

[@tahakhan5167]

Love ur channel bro

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Thank you! The channel loves you back, my friend! Thank you for being here.

[@richardzagozeski892]

I have a Sony OLED 55 inch Bravia on hold, I think I'll see if I can get a QD-OLED (A95L) instead. I really liked my 3 Plasma Panasonics that I used to own. The last one was a 50 inch 3D.

[@truthseeker5079]

As McDonald's once said SUPER SIZE ME! Enthusiasts are the minority and the masses want bigger and brighter. It's interesting to watch people's opinion shift as trends change. To me the best thing you can do with any purchase is buy it at a price where you feel good about it and can take pride in your patience to hang back and buy when you know the price is right.

[@Quaddragon]

How close will the UX110 be compared to the G4. Also as much as I don't want to wait, will Sharp pull off a miracle.

[@Pichoniix]

I was about to purchase the Samsung S95C for $1599 bucks New but maybe I'll wait for the Hisense U8N or the TCL QM851

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Saw them Both on Chinese site. There hundreds of uploads from consumer reviews now , they hve been early launch on home base for 4th month . The TCL just came out last month. Omg BOTH so nice. 😊

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

Strictly OLED for me personally

[@swardmusic]

There's no way you buy an OLED new in 2030

[@vacguy77]

That's sad for you, you're totally missing out. No more OLEDs for me, not nearly bright enough to give glory to HDR and pure white.

[@icyteddy1978]

OLED picture quality is without questions. However, most people will look at cost budget first! About 20 years ago, this is the same debate when Plasma and LCD was competing on the market. Plasma picture quality is superior, but LCD won out due to cost. I see a repeat of this scenario with OLED. OLED market share is shrinking due to cost. It will probably end up like Plasma.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Most ppl believe Plasma was superior cuz they have NOT seen SHARP Aquos Quatrum LED.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

i guess Sharp Aquos Quatrum didnt come in the pic till 2009 (earliest) . So yeah that thing has 4 base color vs RGB 3 color. I had 2 of those. Life stream any time 1080P on air Analog as 2k visual. My friends had Full LEDGED Cable tv always finding it Amusign :”why am I paying 100 a month for cable internet , my cable tv 720p look like horse Sh…, n you have on air steam look 2k” lol. 😅😅😅😅 Those high end LED existed m ost ppl did NOT KNOW. Because my tv guy told me that “the Best Buy make sure all the TV sales promote SONY” . It was Strange that MY tv looked significantly BETTER than SONY flagship. N they want tv sals guy to promote that much inferior tv. Sales guy: when black control is decent enough, its the “high luminance + color volume make things more 3D. NOT how black it is. Most images that far distance, side view that are dimmer, shot in movies camera, the mid range shades of Tv too dim . Things just zoom out goo out, losing texture.” HE only told me that cuz he had D SAME TV n telling me LED was WAY better than Plasma. And YES the lower end LED with bad blooming n color do give ppl wrong impression that the TECHNOLOGY as “inferior”.

[@craigosterberg5045]

Thanks guys

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Thank you Craig!!

[@Arash0426]

Hey Brian and Fomo love your channel. I wana Ask is Sony X95L 75 inch which is available in Dubai worth price for 2200 dollars or shall I wait for A95L 77 inch which is 6500 dollars. Will x95 L be worth this price? Need to decide sakes will finish in 2 days.

[@TankerShell]

That’s a very good price and it’s definitely worth it, for me i will buy oleds in 2025, so 2 more generations to come, mini led is really great specially the X95L

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Excellent question! The X95L is an excellent display, and that's a great price. Its successor will be a big leap forward but will be double the price. If you need to buy now then the X95L is the one. Thank you for watching

[@matttafakt]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY I noticed the X95L has just gone up in price by 2-300 bucks..

[@FenixPajarito]

Was about to get the Samsung S95C but the upcoming Hisense U8N & the TCL QM851 may be the answer.

[@GRIFF22]

I own a 50" TCL C805 here in the UK. Cost equivalent to $600. All the HDR formats. 1100 nits, Google TV, 2 x HDMI 2.1. From where i watch it, i think it looks better than the 48" oleds which are all still stuck on 600/700 nits.

[@HassanAlHajry]

This TV is actually 1300Nit minimum , the bigger ones even goes to 1500/1600Nit

[@curtis19921]

Can’t wait to see if they use the new Sony prototype tvs this year

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Very very soon, my friend!

[@loki76]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPYI bet next week. I feel and I might be mistaken. But the start of this video you said both of you were at an "event" and then you make this video about MiniLED. It's sort of like saying that you guys just were at Sony's event, lol. Sony is the only maker that haven't announced any lineup yet. Well maybe it's just me reading into things because I really want to see the announcements from Sony.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

@loki76 you'd be incorrect, my friend, but that's all I can say. Plus, Sony's prototype will max at 85". At least initially. 85" is actually too small for this conversation, and the Sony will also be too expensive.

[@loki76]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPYYes. I saw Caleb's video I take it it's that event with Samsung. Yeah, you were talking about 98" and above. It will be expensive but hopefully not much more than what the 85" X95L was last year. But if at least they have the full lineup of 65-85" can always get a 75". I sit very close to the TV and it's still and upgrade from 65". But I do want the 85".

[@MM-Official]

10th like and nice topic, great inspiration from the discussion with our dears FOMO and Robert Zohn 😉

[@zr1cvette]

QD, MLA and WOLED are still the standard. It would legitimately take another format like micro LED to take it down a notch to mainstream affordability. LED years ago was still somewhat pricey when OLED wasn’t approachable in price. Now OLED and the other OLEDs are somewhat attainable and LED is dirt cheap. That’s how I see it. I don’t understand why people pay for crap now. TVs are the only consumer product we’ve gained purchasing power in as far as quality. They were paying 800-1000 for an awful off brand 20 inch tv at Walmart in the early to mid 2000s.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

I actually completely agree, my friend. However, the industry and the numbers say otherwise. The sales of oleds are in steady decline while large led sales have jumped 10 times. Thank you for watching

[@ericspalacio]

Another thing we have to take into account, all that is awesome horror movie, watching/cinema viewing, 100% agree, but most teenager/20-year-olds are not watching movies anymore. They’re watching podcast, watching you guys here every now and then, well, because you guys aren’t the only game in town there are other channels to watch, and their gaming, 70% of the time, they are gaming, 70% of the time, fact. I love movies, that’s why I got this beautiful technology in my room this 10 AP plasma TV from LG, which probably costed around three to $4000 back in the day, it’s great stuff, but I’m the older generation, and we’re not really buying TVs as much anymore. The ultimate gamer doesn’t want an old lead, they want a beautiful, bright color/decent, black levels, 120 Hz/4K/Decent processing, which I think that should be TCL and high sons main focus this year, color, and processing., And since we’re not really doing good in the economy these days, these kids in their twenties/30s/early teens 18 up looking to save a couple thousand on something bold, bright and beautiful. Oh and big, let’s not leave out the big. 39:34

[@technopugdad]

Great discussion. I watched the whole video when I intended to maybe just check out a few minutes. You nailed it. I have a 7 year-old 65" LG OLED. Still a great TV. Been holding off for the past two years to upgrade. I want a larger OLED and a compelling reason to upgrade. For me, that is QD-OLED. But 77" wasn't an option. Then it was, but now I see these monster mini-LED TVs for so little that unless I can get a 77" QD-OLED at $2000, I am not buying. In fact, I'm seriously looking at mini-LED now. OLED is great, and I am fine paying a bit of a premium, but a very good 85" to 100" for less than a very good 65" or 77" OLED is a tough sell nowadays.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Excellent comment! I'm so glad you found the video useful. Thank you so much for watching!

[@jdsmoooth4248]

I have a JVC NX9 projector and am considering moving to one of the new TCL or Hisense 110"/115" panels. I'm currently building out a new theater and am not overly interested in constantly managing changing aspect ratios along with HDR impact. Would need a Mad VR on top of a new projector. I can sell my Panamorph Lens and projector and just hang a beast of a panel. Set and forget.

[@budala1969]

I'm in the same position. I love my NX9, but I game a lot, so HDR, latency, refresh rate and VRR are all important features where PJs are lacking. Once TVs break 120" mark, I'm making the switch.

[@onlineservices2050]

Awesome analysis. Consumers win - great choices this year with TV sizes I could only dream about back in the day of original Nintendo and Genesis. Tyson’s punch out at 98 - game over.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Perfect comment! Thank you for watching

[@amen_ra6926]

I was on a TCL subreddit and there was a big criticism directed at miniLED makers who use brightness as a main marketing point while build quality and long term reliability is sorely lacking. Is there any rebuttal to that contention? I'm not one of these buyers who gets a new TV every couple of years. I don't care how much the tech has advance. I've commented in the past that I'm still watching my 2009 46" Samsung. When I buy a TV, I'll be watching it for 10+ years. So if I spend over $1500, I expect it to last. Brightness is nice, but how long will it last? The idea that today's buyers have accepted that it's OK for a $1000+ appliance to not last allows the makers to not be held accountable and gives them license to churn out a crap product.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

This is understandable, my friend. However, that trend has been happening with appliances in general for many, many years. Thank you for watching

[@porksandbean]

size > quality for the masses

[@romeotrinh6415]

I don’t think the tv oled factory can’t make them bigger sizes but the problem is the cost to increase size of Oled is the factor to limit them to go bigger. The tv technology is already the best just like compare the iPhone 12 vs 15 not much different in quality but the question is would you like to pay double price between the iPhone? How about we can get some quality tv like x90L, 92” inches close to G3, 77”for half of the price or less?

[@gamalozada2997]

9 to 10 ft away 65 g3 or c3 ? Thanks

[@Icipher4]

Go 77 at that distance.

[@budala1969]

I sit 10' from 135". Can't go back to smaller viewing angle.

[@bartus88]

It was inevitable that OLED would follow plasma, as economics isn't the only thing that holds it back. No display technology is perfect and OLED certainly isn't either. I can write a long list of things OLED will always suck at, but everyone here ought to be familiar with these things. Whether or not you are fine with the multitude of shortcomings is down to personal choice, but for many people it makes OLED an absolute no-go for tv's. When it comes down to use cases such as phones, handheld devices or VR headsets I would be perfectly happy with OLED, but as a main display - whether it's tv or monitor - OLED is out of the question; even if it was half the price of mini-LED.

[@abenormal3070]

I use oled tv as main monitor since 2020. Never used any va or ips display for so long.

[@davidd6637]

I think this argument applies mostly to TVs over 85 inches with average picture quality that tend to be much cheaper for their size, but if you’re looking at premium MiniLEDs with picture quality closer to OLEDs in terms of contrast, the prices are basically the same. For example, the Sony a80L 83” OLED is the same price as the Sony x95L 85” MiniLED at 4,499; the Samsung QN95C 77” MiniLED is the same price as the S95C 77” OLED at 3,499. OLED is a premium technology and LG isn’t going to sell a $2,000, 77” OLED when they can sell two 77” LEDs at $1,000 each and make a bigger profit. These are not two competing technologies in the eyes of these tech companies but two different products to offer the consumer.

[@johnmcelwee9712]

Do these ultra mini LEDs rival the viewing angles of OLED and plasma? I returned 3 LED TVs (LG,Hisense and TCL) because the viewing angles suffered from noticeable to terrible.

[@furballbear]

Buy IPS LED TVs rather than VA for best viewing angles.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

They are not IPS tho. Disel n car gas are both feul. Ppl get it mixed up Ips n ADS n ADS-PRO. HIsense U8K -75” , ADSD-Pro Panel. Most likely Hisense U8N 75” will use the same panel. Also Samsung Q90C Thoes are d ONLY 3 panels have VERY- advanced - OLED Gloss Panel. OLED angle 180 degree viewing. Very vibrant. Because it doesn’t have the anti Glare filter that SONY x95L x93L. It will NOT have Rainbow 🌈 smear. It doesn’t have Wide angle 📐 screen layer (matte). So it will not have any Matte layer like X90L X90K .

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Yeah the advanced 180 degree Mini LEDs exist. Only U8K (75”), Qn90C 55” or above (NOT the 50”) . Most likely U8N 75” , n 98” UX 110” UX. 😊

[@budala1969]

For me it's simple. Size matters. I have an 83" OLED and hardly ever watch it because I prefer my 135" JVC pj. OLED image quality is still the best but biggest one is 97" (and prohibitively expensive), which is simply not big enough for my HT. The bigger mini-LEDs have my attention. Once they cross 120", I'll probably pull the trigger.

[@mav2knight]

Brian. Do the newer Mini LEDs have a better viewing angle than the older LCD like the Sony X9OL. I bought my Sony A80J not only because of the great picture but I have a great room with open concept kitchen and need to see the TV from 45 degrees at times. OLED of course no problem but I had bought that X90J initially but it had terrible viewing angle after only about 15 degrees off on each side. Happy I ended up with the A80J but for future reference, I love the Mini-LED picture but is the viewing angle wider than the older Full Array LCD models?...thanks for any info and you're doing a great job as usual my friend...

[@TechCody113]

Yes and no, I'm a TV calibrator, so the biggest problem isn't that old LED/LCD was bad it's that miniLED (which isn't better by any means) kinda took over before regular led could advance, so the X-wide angle coating just didn't exist at the time before miniLED took over, otherwise regular LED could have been as good and had same technologies

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Tcl hss a new lcd panel with superb viewing angles coming 2025. Tcl is selling panels to other companies too

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Excellent question, my friend! It really depends on which manufacturer you choose as they all approach local dimming and viewing angles differently. The challenge for you is that it's very difficult to transition from a very good oled to any mini led. But in short yes they have improved and are only getting better.

[@mav2knight]

@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY Good to know. Thanks for the speedy reply. I'm pretty set now for a few years but I want to keep abreast of the current info. As usual, you always come through. Bravo !!!

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

@mav2knight we are thankful to have you here my friend

[@46GarageUSA]

Anyone know how the x90L is for blooming ? I hate blooming

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

I only see it on like title cards (white text on black), but most of what I see is caused by my glasses and eyes. I never notice it in actual content. I'm very happy with it, it looks amazing IMO. Excellent value.

[@ericspalacio]

Oh yeah and forgot to mention I just bought another plasma on eBay last month for 150 bucks, an LG 50 inch from my bedroom, I’ll be sure to do the same in 6 to 7 years with an OLED, just to see what people through thousands of dollars on.

[@mgaming7]

I am looking to get new Sony this coming Black Friday time frame. I want a 77" or 83" but I want the best picture possible. I don't want to spend $5000 on a TV so I am stuck going with whatever replaces the 65" Sony A95L . I have a 65" Sony A80J and think it's an Awesome TV, but I want that Next Level picture. This is when mini LED might be "good enough". X93L etc.

[@supertrexandroidx]

Gaming... I mainly game on two OLED TV's, a 65-inch and a 42-inch, with very low input lag. Good enough. I get that some competitive gamers, or "gaming purists" prefer monitors, but right now the prices for 42-inch+ OLED monitors is more than I'm willing to pay. So by all means, let's keep making the TV's the best they can be when it comes to gaming ;)

[@69Dartman]

I don't have the wall for anything bigger than probably 85 and that's pushing it. My mount can take up to 132 pounds provided l can keep the heavy TV from tipping forward. I have that problem w😂the Z9K and it's about 100 pounds. They didn't include bigger bolts and lock washers so it could get tight enough to lock the tilt pivot on heavy TVs but pretty sure I can replace them with something that will work if I have to touch it again. Set my reminder and missed it today and it's been snowing off and on today here.

[@jamesloehr641]

I have a 86inch ur80 from costco, only paid 900 bucks for it and it has 120hz panel, 4k120fps vrr gaming. The picture quality is just fine for the price. I replaced a higher end 75 inch tv. I would still rather have the 86inch. I cant tell much difference in picture quality.

[@George-hl2xm]

There’s a limit to everything if tvs gets to cheap quality will go down

[@wxman2003]

Caleb kind of hinted where some YT'ers were. Samsung HQ on the east coast.

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

No comment 😁

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

​@@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY😊

[@TheRealJohnHooper]

Samsung could surprise everyone this year with their lcd tvs

[@Alex335i]

Hope the surprise is Dolby Vision so i can again consider them 😅

[@conraddevera]

I love oleds, but.. give me a good mini led I'd probably take that. I think its a good hybrid of both worlds

[@jiggerypokery2962]

I'm 4 ft from a 55 inch TV when gaming 6 ft when watching TV. All the suggestions was that was dumb and I was too close. Today people are talking bigger is better. Kind of cool. I wouldn't go back.

[@ericspalacio]

Well, the difference between the brightness as well is with LED/mini LED. This sustained brightness is held way longer way longer, with 0LED this sustained brightness is only held for seconds. It has been tested many many many times, even with Sony it is only held for seconds when it comes to hitting over 14 to 1500 nits it is only held for seconds. 36:12

[@chitowncraig]

Im debating between the LG C3 and Hisense 85U8K both right at $2000. OLED to me is the best picture. My problem is my new place i sit 13ft away. If I could find the 100" Hisense for 3k i might go that route. Im not impressed with the 98" Sony or Samsung

[@dimwillow7113]

got my oled monitor 1 week ago. Yeah no way i go back to LCD and its not only the contrast but instant pixel response times makes moving object much clearer.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Dude MOnitor is NOT same as Tv. I use my iPhone 14PRO love it its too small. I have my iPAD-PRO $1000 with -M Chip. It’s TOO small .lol. They are talking about Tv. The IPad -PRO frigin over priced is Mini LED> it’s like HOrandous.ABSOLUTELY 😮😮HORANDOUS . My 2021 HIsense U8G 65” makes my $1000 11” 12” 2023 iPad PRO look like $200 Dog SHI. My dude has 2 of 27” 4k led monitors look both like dog SHI , They make LED Monitors more text clearity focused , both of them NOT glossy screen. U will NOT get HIGH end LED --MOnitors on GAmming market, because LED is Biasely SEEN as inferior. They CAN make LED monitors BETTER but will cause HIGHER COST. Yet Consumers have biased perception towards the TEchnology n there is LOWER cap they are Willing to pay 💰. So they do NOT make those PREMIUM LED monitors. My 2 27” 4k monitor cost $1200 USD. Both Matte screen, Dim, 380 Peak Brighness, LOW Color . The QLED-mini LEDs TVs are so crisp Vibrant Bright. HIGH brightness, 🔆 High Color , GLOSSY screen.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Yeah Dude. Just sharing this. In case u need tv in the near future. The TV space the LED TVs are So advanced. A 2021 high end LED (not even Mini LED) makes my iPad I am using right now a true - Dog SHI , strangest experience. When I tried to play both KZbin videos. So yeah hope this helps. If u have had LED monitor. They are NOT anything Near TV . Most average consumers buy tv they do NOT spend that much time Gamming. I bought my first $2500 Made in Japan 46” SHARP Aquos Quatrum back in the day…….I spent like months no watching it cuz out partying al l the time( all friends going out, u have to show up) n had 2 jobs lol. 😂

[@AlteredVisionTV]

The TCL S5 is a really good led tv. It has fantastic picture quality.

[@007GoldenLion]

I'm just buying OLEDS because of the large incidence of DSE on LED LCDs ... LEDs already look good enought except for DSE

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Understandable my friend. Thank you for watching

[@j.rfrazier1855]

After watching this - how long do we think OLEDs have before the market decides they are completely irrelevant? Maybe I should get a second S89C? 😀

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

Unless they change something it will be very soon.

[@tonyzeno2715]

A s89c in 77 would be a perfect bedroom tv for years to come.

[@lowellhouser7731]

Was just stuck having to kill time in a Best Buy where they had OLED and miniled on display... and the OLED is just a tad better. However, Eventually there will be a 43in miniled 4K HDR @120hz computer monitor and that will replace my current Aorus 43 because they will never be able to beat the burn-in problem inherent in OLED. I never expect to buy a "tv" again.

[@raptorslam84]

After seen the amazing upscale of the XR processor from Sony I can't go with any other brand! most of the comparison videos between TV models are using 4k HDR pictures or videos, but in real life most of streaming services will display their content in full HD and that where the beauty of the XR comes, it will turn any 720p or 1080p to almost 4k !! that what I actually need for my daily use, I am sure if youtubers uses full HD or half HD videos to show the upscale level, everyone will only buy Sony TVs.

[@aquaneon8012]

tcl is upping zone count to 14,000 this year for 85 inch.

[@Ocho817]

Problem is they should be focusing on controlling those zones better more than adding zones.

[@charlesmyers8150]

I am a little upset with what FOMO said about 2020 Samsung q90t vs the 2019 q90r. I refer FOMO back to his 2020 review of the q90t comparing it to the q90r, where FOMO said the q90t was as good or slightly better. He did mention the fewer dimming zones but his review was as I said, as good/ slightly better. I looked at rtings and the the black uniformity on the q90t was less than the q90r. Rtings was similar other than that. Of course the one connect box, which I don't prefer. In this video, in hindsight FOMO is not too kind to the q90t. I get that 4 years later after mini leds and qd oleds ( I have a s90c). Every year we get upgrades or stagnation, the future is not clear from tv brands.

[@coderdenewbie]

The fall in oled sales is why miniled will dominate.

[@swardmusic]

It's their build cost and the need for DV brightness

[@DaveNLR2]

Did you say hi to Caleb in NJ?

[@BRIANSTECHTHERAPY]

I wasn't in Jersey 😁