Whitebeard & Garp Were Stronger Than Roger

[@swordpiece]

One correction. From rechecking the original Japanese of Roger's talk with Garp, a more accurate translation would be that Roger and Garp "tried to kill each other dozens of times". We don't know if either actually ever managed to bring the other near death.

[@primesonic4459]

That's practical as much confirmation as you're gonna get that Roger sees Garp as a Rival +or- 1% or he wouldn't even bother saying that unless he's trying to emotionally manipulate Garp to save Ace but i dont see that to be his character

[@Chyeahokay]

Or maybe they decided not to, because they respected each other, and just enjoyed fighting

[@knighteNo]

​@@primesonic4459nah they 100% fought deadly battle. Otherwise it would make Garp a fraud. Oda's not gonna do that to The OG monkey D & the legendary Hero.

[@primesonic4459]

@@knighteNo exactly

[@knighteNo]

@@primesonic4459 yeah & one more thing, If Garp lost to Roger Every single time. Then it would make him a loser. Roger respects Garp's strength and Might to even handover his son to him, not to WB or Rayleigh. But yeah WB>Roger=Garp for me.

[@awyehh]

I actually quite like the idea of Roger being slightly weaker than some of the biggest titans of One Piece. It shows that even against all odds stacked against him, he still conquered the grand line and changed the world forever because he wanted it more than any other pirate. Much like Luffy, Roger never cared for power or influence and only wanted to have the most freedom, so I doubt even Roger would care if he's considered the strongest or not.

[@fdbmane4594]

Yeah but then why would he be clashing on with the titans if he is outclassed narratively it wouldn't make sense, that would mean he used underhanded tactics to reach his goals with is pirate like don't get me wrong, but that's wouldn't really fit his image imo.

[@ytprv1890]

@@fdbmane4594It’s extreme diff either he way, he just always percerveired.

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

​@@fdbmane4594 He does use underhanded tactics. Remember that he only stole BM's glyph and just ran, never fighting her. Thus showing that he has his own underhandedness. Then the 2nd idea is that unlike Roger who had OP crew, WB had shit crew, and Garp has shit members (Sengoku isn't always with him). Yet they always end with a tie.

[@fdbmane4594]

@@thepieofyourlife4799 being underhanded and being tactical are not necessarily the same thing tho.

[@travisealy3512]

I disagree. One thing we know is luffy has a similar mindset to pirating as roger. Luffy recognized if he’s not strong then he can’t protect his friends on the journey. Roger had to match them in order to protect his friends on the journey

[@fdbmane4594]

Accordingly the narrative whitebeard had to constantly nerf himself because his DF power would destroy his own crew if he had not, so i honestly think whitebeard could wipe anyone if he didnt have a big heart.

[@greybo4034]

He can just destroy the whole world if he wants as said by sengoku and sbs. He is def top 3 of all time eos and probably the only one who can rival joyboy 1v1

[@toot1862]

​@@greybo4034Hahaha😂😂. Peak comedy.

[@Laurboy97]

@@greybo4034 Nah Joyboy,Imu,Luffy will all be stronger than whitebeard

[@greybo4034]

@@Laurboy97 luffy and joyboy we don't know imus power

[@blainessster2994]

@@greybo4034wb being able to destroy the world with his fruit isnt a feat in this debate once u factor in the type of character wb is within the story…also roger title holds more weight,to be pirate king strength might not always be necessary buh u have to be stronger than everyone else to keep your title buh once again roger’s title wasnt just any title he conquered the sea in his time period while being the false joyboy

[@primesonic4459]

I've always seen Whitebeard as the No 1 Strongest with the sole exception of maybe Rocks (ignoring Joyboy, Imu, end of series, etc)

[@greybo4034]

His fruit can destroy the whole world even teach who has 2 df includings wbs is not even close to the raw power wb has.. he is def top 2 or 3 eos

[@toptier347]

@@greybo4034who u talking abt

[@blainessster2994]

@@greybo4034bro we can bet by the end of the story multiple characters will be stronger than prime wb lol roger himself wished he was born in the era luffy is in hints to luffy’s comp n adventure being way better n tougher

[@Kartekid2233]

@@blainessster2994not it means he wants to see the change that comes from the next joyboy.. but im pretty sure he said he wishes he was born in the original joyboys era not the current..

[@greybo4034]

@@blainessster2994 absolutely no it's been stated rogers era was far too strong on average compared to luffys.. roger just wanted to witness the world turn upside down.. even a fodder like chinjao had conq haki.. it's been stated too many times how tough it was to sail season during Rogers era

[@Cult_of_Aion]

Whitebeard was called both the strongest pirate and strongest man that overlaps both Roger and Garp he’s over twice both of their sizes with a devil fruit that could destroy the world it’s not hard to put him as the #1 strongest it’s spelled out very often

[@Re-Bourne]

I think they were all pretty much equal. They were all so neck and neck that a slight gap in power means nothing.

[@Pp-sr4cs]

Portrayal wise, story wise, powerscaling wise, CoC seems to be the absolute peak of importance when it comes to strenght/power, and it seems like Roger had the highest degree of CoC with Joyboy. Don't forget that Kaido explicitly said that Roger became the king because Haki triumphs all, but that is just a word for spirit/will, which in OP and Kaido's words would mostly translate to CoC in reference. The stronger the will, the stronger the CoC. In OP will alone bends reality to one's will, and Roger had a trait that most people do not, so far only Luffy has done so - judges the man by his deeds and deeds alone, and this is one of the indicators of strong will - bypassing biases that you will have takes will.

[@greybo4034]

Whitebeard doesn't have will like roger since he already achieved his dream

[@Pp-sr4cs]

@@greybo4034? And? He never did to begin with, will is corelated with ambition, and his dream was never something with which you need absurd will to begin with. Guy was born as a gentle giant to begin with, I don't see any problem with him not being as powerful as Roger.

[@DawnChaser-yn]

​@Pp-sr4cs whitebeard is pretty canonical stronger than Roger.

[@toot1862]

The stronger the Will, the stronger The COC.🤣🤣 I am sorry but my mind couldn't keep up with the comment.😂

[@Pp-sr4cs]

@@toot1862 yeah

[@anishsattaram3793]

16:33 kaido referred to roger because roger became the pirate king and found the one piece, garp never had those ambitions. kaido is saying that in order to follow in the footsteps of roger, like kaido and luffy both want to, their haki must be the strongest and he's saying luffy's silly games aren't gonna get him to the top like roger was. garp was never at the top, because he was a marine. wb shiki and roger are spoken of for their strength because people were SCARED of these guys as pirates, people had no reason to be scared of garp bc he essentially was alway protecting people and his strength was never gauged.

[@slimmy478-6]

Idk about that but whitebeard because of insane haki combined with his devil fruit is definitely the strongest.

[@shadowofbosstown]

Haki transcends all.

[@micosaysun7654]

I heard a theory the reason why wb cant use fruit and Conquerer haki at the same time when he fought roger is because Roger's haki i so strong it makes a area of the battle unable to use fruit ability its like joy boy haki against the gorosei his haki nolify fruit ability thats why wb used hali only to counter it

[@kanemccarthy1979]

Can y'all stop yapping about this as if it's 100% absolute?

[@micosaysun7654]

@@kanemccarthy1979 stop yapp too

[@hotpufff123]

@@micosaysun7654 saw that from KOL, cool theory which makes sense how ppl like roger and garp could stand against wb

[@toptier347]

@@kanemccarthy1979y is bro hating on them

[@amansharma4358]

Currently This is the PowerScaling in my head. Strongest in the Verse - Plot-God Buggy God Tier- Joyboy*, IMU Pirate King Tier - Rocks D. Xebec*, Roger, Prime Whitebeard, Prime Garp, Current FigarLand Garling Yonko Tier - Kaido*, Mihawk, Shanks, Prime Rayleigh, Prime Gaban, Prime Sengoku, Prime LinLin, Shiki, Akainu, Dragon, Prime Kong, Loki Low Yonko Tier - Oden*, Luffy , Blackbeard, Current LinLin, Kuzan, Ben Beckman Admiral Tier - Current Garp* , Kizaru, Fujitora, GreenBull, MarineFord Whitebeard, Enel, Current Sengoku, 5 Elders

[@SlashinatorZ]

Don't Usopp & Chimney rival Buggy when it comes to plot armor?

[@amansharma4358]

@@SlashinatorZ Usoop hasn't done anythong lately. He is just a liability while Buggy is an Emperor now. So to Me Buggy Plot-armour seems even strongest. Who is Chimney??

[@Saint.Topman]

Shanks > Mihawk > Luffy > Kaido

[@amansharma4358]

@@Saint.Topman But Mihawk is the Strongest Swordsmen than how Shanks is stronger than him?? If Kaido is the Strongest creature than how he is weaker than Shanks or Mihawk?? Luffy is not Stronger than Kaido right now Maybe after Elbaf he will become a proper Yonko tier but not right now. You can only say one character is stronger than the another if they have a proper 1v1 fight. Luffy vs Kaido wasn't fair in any way. Dude literally fougght so many strong people and no-diffed them. To me Kaido > Mihawk > Shanks > Luffy Take it or leave it.

[@SlashinatorZ]

@@amansharma4358 she's the girl with the rabbit cat during Enies Lobby. Ran around & had fun the whole time. She could have run around Marineford & never been in danger

[@egg3282]

I got Whitebeard slightly above both Roger and Garp but with there haki being slightly above whitebeards by a little margin. But in a fight Whitebeard would win IMO 6/10 times against them all in prime

[@scramble7902]

I feel Garp nearly killing Roger or trying to kill Roger doesn't really mean anything without knowing *when* that happened. Smoker would've easily killed Luffy when they first met, but now that they're both in their current primes, a fight between them wouldn't even be a contest. That still wouldn't change the fact that Smoker nearly captured Luffy several times though, and so Roger's statement could be taken the same way. That said, I agree with your overall assessment, and I think the narrative implication is that all three are effectively equal, but Roger just found the one piece so he got all the glory. Why write that Roger and Whitebeard fought for 3 days if not to communicate that it was a close fight, y'know?

[@knighteNo]

@@scramble7902 hm not the case, as it's written explicitly that "Garp cornered Roger during 'the era of Gold Roger' many times" meaning Prime. Not to mention they r of the same age, So judging from this they were fighting from Younge age to Prime. And I don't think Roger just grew in strength while Garp wasn't. Ofcourse it's the pirate show, so all the worldwide hype will go to them. Coz Garp's a Marine but don't forget he's The Og Monkey D and the legendary Hero.

[@gunlevis403]

Garp and Roger are the same age, compared to Smoker and Luffy's situation that is peak comedy

[@NerdGohan]

Sword Piece uploaded? my birthday is peak this year

[@swordpiece]

Sorry if you're a Roger fan, and enjoy your bday.

[@NerdGohan]

@@swordpiece thank you!! and it's okay. I enjoy whitebeard, Roger, and garp equally. they are all amazing characters. I really love your videos, and you really do make my day much better. I hope you have an amazing rest of your day.

[@cgrw1]

Essentially impossible for a lot of the top-tier non-zoan DF users to go all-out as they'll annihilate the environment (see: Akainu and Aokiji permanently rendering Punk Hazard uninhabitable when they did go all-out 1v1) - so yes I'd agree Whitebeard always held himself back for the benefit of his crew / family. Then again; Garp could probably annihilate an island in his prime given his reaction to his old man galaxy impact; and Roger's Haki should at least be on par with Garp; with a supreme grade sword in tow... I certainly think both in their prime were beyond any current admiral or Yonko. Whitebeard #1 Monstrous strength; Absolute Haki Mastery; Supreme Grade Sword; Top tier mastered devil fruit Roger #2: Monstrous strength; Absolute Haki Mastery; Supreme Grade Sword Garp #3: Monstrous strength; Absolute Haki Mastery Sengoku #4: Near Monstrous strength; Near Absolute Haki Mastery (inferred as you can't fight Roger without it); Top tier mastered devil fruit; probably about Yonko/Akainu level Ofc hidden characters like Imu, Xebec etc don't factor in here as we simply don't know

[@swordpiece]

I wish I'd mentioned that point about the environment.

[@namechange2]

You deserve more views all this one piece content is peak

[@josephbulkin9222]

Why can everybody in the story slice mountains in half like it's nothing? I thought One Piece was about pirates.

[@fatshibaballs]

What about those two things are mutually exclusive?

[@Yezzzaaa]

Wista>Whitebeard>=Roger=Garp

[@thescarecrow897]

why do people call vista wista

[@Yezzzaaa]

@@thescarecrow897 he always catches W’s

[@knighteNo]

​@@Yezzzaaa😂 wista go handle Roger

[@memes12309]

Wista go handle joyboy and imu in a 2v1

[@gjuanwilliams5194]

20 minutes of Rodger slander is crazy😂😂 haki over all, oda has clearly shown that free spirits like Rodger, shanks, Luffy ect. Have the strongest haki and if what we’ve seen in recent chapters is true whitebeard probably couldn’t even use his DF if he was fighting someone on Rodger’s haki level and don’t even get me started on garp i refuse to believe that Rodger needed help taking down rocks himself (not his crew he definitely helped)

[@JT-km6th]

Who cares? We literally saw WB = Roger with haki application alone in the 3 day war. Add his df and he's stronger. Oda told you he's stronger, you don't know better than Oda.

[@gjuanwilliams5194]

@@JT-km6th no bro Goda know better he’s clearly shown haki is what true power, and why would you bring up his DF in a haki discussion, DF don’t make your haki stronger and if anything they would get cancelled out by haki

[@JT-km6th]

@@gjuanwilliams5194 no one cares, HE SAID WHAT HE SAID. Just accept it lmao. Why wouldn't he just make Roger the strongest then? What does he lose? no one would argue. He didn't because he doesn't want to, the story is about freedom not being the strongest.

[@gjuanwilliams5194]

@@JT-km6th Apparently u care bruh u probably think Mihawk over shanks to u slow bro honestly and he did make Rodger the strongest kaido said that’s how he conquered the seas bro, POWER BRINGS FREEDOM how u think Luffy doin it by bein weaker then Koby🤣

[@Ocpquanny]

@gjuanwilliams5194 your wrong if you have a devil fruit and haki that’s very close or on the same level then you can use the devil fruit you just haft to cote it in haki saying he couldn’t use his devil fruit is like saying luffy couldn’t use his against shanks slow brain

[@crimsonfire6932]

I have to believe whitebeard is above Roger. The oden flashback shows that blade for blade, haki for haki, white beard and Roger are perfect matches. But whitebeard has a devil fruit and Roger doesn’t. So if whitebeard is already matching Roger with haki and sword skills, then just adding the devil fruit power to the attack will instantly set him over. Unless we are to believe Roger’s haki and sword skills were somehow so great, they overcame whitebeards even while also using devil fruit. But that is not what is shown. I also figure Roger was instantly above Garp, as how is haki alone going to overcome equal haki with a supreme grade sword and the top tier skill to use it?

[@Lineage4you2]

The Oden flashback shows the contrary. WB was stated to be equall to Roger, these mean that all the tools in wb arsenal equall ll the tools in roger arsenal, and wb was always being compared to him not the other way around. The flashback showcases a prime wb with health, haki and strongest paramecia df vs a terminally ill dude that had just haki and the best wb could pull after 3 days is a draw. Roger the better fighter just of these stats alone. 1. This puts roger haki over wb , also kaido statement puts roger haki above all yonkos. 2.Roger was showcased affected by his terminal illness. 3. Because of gw roger forever has a +1 over wb .Roger won and not only that but defeated xebeck which was above wb at the time.

[@greybo4034]

​@@Lineage4you2 oda stated roger with disease never affected his strength so stop the bs whitebeard is said to be strongest and he is.. on haki level he is on same level as roger but look at the endurance, size .. can roger take damage like wb ?? Can roger be as destructive as wb ?? No he is not on the same level

[@Lineage4you2]

@@greybo4034 He was showcased in the story to be affected by his illness, how do you think his crew found out in the first place he was sick lmao. 1. In oda`s very own world EVERYONE that was showcased with a terminal illnes was showcased affected by it, WB included. 2.Not just that but we saw Roger affected by it when he coughed blood, staggerd and collapsed from it . This is a fact, and was showcased, it goes contrary to what headcannon you have. 3.He wasn`t strongest when he fought with Roger, as we saw he could not defeat Roger hence he cannot be strongest by definition , he became wsm only after Roger retired with Rouge , as that was before the great pirate age and while Roger was alive but retired. 4.Wb fought Roger for 3 days and the best WB could do against a terminally ill dude that had just haki was a stalmate ,while WB was in his prime health with haki and strongest paramecia df. THIS IS A FACT, this is with what they both got in the ring with,and roger is the better fighter objectivley as a reasult. Their haki not equall based on the facts i listed above, not to mention that later in life they were stated to be equall , this means all of wb powers = all of Roger`s powers, which is just haki hence Roger`s haki > WB haki, this is why Kaido mention only Roger when it came to haki also.

[@toptier347]

@@Lineage4you2where does it say when wb got the title of wsm

[@greybo4034]

@@Lineage4you2 whitebeard never wanted one piece 😭😭 also whitebeard didn't use his tremor fruit against roger and in odens novel it's specifically mentions how they clashed and their swords didn't even touch because of pure haki. No one has stated roger had superior haki , for achieving and getting one piece you need to have haki and whitebeard wasn't even interested in it.if wb has used it then the whole island would sink. And yes oda himself stated sickness never affected roger. And it's not my headcanon 😭😭 also he coughed , spat blood happened a year after whitebeard and roger fought.. he said to wb that he wants to take oden for a year which means the fight happened a year prio, crocus stated roger has. 1 year to live and roger shortly died after finding one piece. Old wb was running on medicine and stuff and it was never stated he had the same disease as roger. roger could never clap or tank hits like wb

[@lawrencebanks7464]

You maybe right. He was only ever mentioned to be rivals amongst them in strength.

[@knighteNo]

You are so underrated bruh. What a deep analysis. Can you make one For Mihawk & Shanks. And one video on Possible future Conquerer's candidate.

[@Chris-fj4wn]

Only one of these men was confirmed stronger than roger, while the other failed to capture him

[@theycallmejay2310]

Thats bs 😂 one only had the title that title doesn’t mean a damn anyway (look at marineford) Roger vs Garp wasn’t a “run away or catch him” fight 💀 roger himself literally states that both tried to KILL each other for dozens of times and since both survived that means both couldn’t get the job done.

[@Chris-fj4wn]

@@theycallmejay2310 how is it bs? Whitebeard held the title of strongest man while roger is Alive. The fact that Garp could never defeat Roger or capture him proves they’re on equal footing or Roger is stronger. In no way is Garp stronger than

[@theycallmejay2310]

@@Chris-fj4wn like I said titles are literally NOTHING. It’s proven 1000x times WB was holding the same title when he was at MF and kaido big mom shanks mihawk akainu Garp sengoku imu gorosei Garling ALL of them could literally body him. And you used the “Roger couldn’t get captured by garp” as excuse for roger being stronger than Garp but getting away from someone doesn’t mean you are stronger either 😂😭 roger literally says it himself “we tried to KILL each other” he didn’t say “we played capture pirate and escape the navy game” and like this guy clearly shows Garp never goes with admirals or strong people on his ship he is ALWAYS on his own so you think he is capturing Roger with prime Rayleigh Gaban and that whole crew being there 💀 it’s already a Big W for almost catching him with all of them around. Both Roger and Garp where equals at that time but after Roger died or a moment before he died Garp literally trained and one shotted chinjao. What means he even got stronger. And before making fun of chinjao look at his vivre card it says he used to hold his own against BOTH Roger and Garp. From what we know Garp=Roger>WB. WB clashing for 3 damn days against sick roger is crazy work. Because Garp was going equally with prime Roger in a death battle and he didn’t just always go toe to toe with him. It’s stated so many times that he ALMOST brought him down and Roger his direct statement is even better

[@toptier347]

@@Chris-fj4wncapturing is more difficult than killing

[@toptier347]

@@theycallmejay2310bodying him is cap. thats just false. at minimum is high diff not bodying.

[@GoldenFinger-y4c]

Vivre cards are inacurate in one of the recent its stated that CP9 that got one shoted by Kaido is stronger than Luccy while he is not. Whitebeard and Garp did pretty mutch nothing to get stronger in their 50s,only way to get stronger is to be constantly active and fight strong oponents. Kaido considered Roger to be above others,this could be exaguration but there is no way to say that Roger is above Xebec. Neither Whitebeard or Garp were ever stated to be stronger.

[@magnumbreakz]

pretty sure canonically they were depicted as equal. roger reached laughtale and became the pirate king, sure. but only because whitebeard and garp were not trying to do that so he had practically no competition

[@RealCGH]

Imo, in a 1 v1 its pretty close. But when it comes to fighting massive groups, it's likely whitebeard and not even close either.

[@kalachan9766]

KZbin's getting unbearable with so many ads

[@Spartt204]

Roger and Garp are top 2 cause of the god valley incident till proven otherwise. Glad i found an unbiased channel aswell, keep up the good work 😎

[@KingAllen-r2g]

@@Spartt204🤨 i thought he was overrated make up yo mind

[@Spartt204]

@@KingAllen-r2g he is in a scene of one of screen visual feats!(think we can all agree with that to a degree) but lore and hype wise he’s that guy. Until we really see a full in depth flashback of his journey there will be a few doubts about his overall strength and portrayal. Only thing resorting my belief is the god valley situation but that’s still very vague. It practically hypes him and Garp as the strongest people of the old gen

[@KingAllen-r2g]

@@Spartt204 u no what I changed my mind Roger power is uh what if until writers say behold Roger full power he's not overrated or underrated top 1 top 5 top 10 he's mysterious of mate.

[@Ben-iz9ud]

You're missing a huge detail about whitebeard crew

[@swordpiece]

Do tell

[@anime_world6684]

The whitebeard pirates by the point of oden’s flashback were active for over a decade and we could actually name each member unlike the roger pirates who almost all are nameless and featless, your logic for whitebeard carrying the his crew could be the exact same for roger

[@swordpiece]

The Whitebeard Pirates had only been active for 7 years by that point. We know Roger had already gathered most of his crew during God Valley, and that they'd been active for years before. I also don't know what importance names have with any of this, but the Roger Pirates were actually named in an SBS.

[@anime_world6684]

@@swordpiece your telling me I have to research there names to know those npc’s when I could just rewatch marineford and see whotebeard pirates having there names dropped and show feats of strength

[@swordpiece]

@anime_world6684 Yes. Get to it.

[@JT-km6th]

Imu being the highest authority was a reveal for the narrative. We literally lose NOTHING by Roger being the pirate king AND worlds strongest. In basic anime trope world this would make sense and no one would fight it. Oda is making a point about being the freest in the see, you dont need to be at the absolute pinacle of strength, you need to be at the pinnacle of wills and ambition, but for your own independent dreams. This is true because Blackbeard, Luffy, and Rocks' crews all operate by having seperate dreams but being on the same crew. Every one of them must have the most absolute of wills to achieve what they want.

[@swordpiece]

When I hear One Piece fans say "narrative", I remove the safety from my pistol.

[@Lineage4you2]

1. Roger forever has a +1 over WB because of GW ,where he and Garp got a W , and Rocks and his crew which inludes WB took an L this is a fact. 2.Roger at GW was stated and showcased to be the opponent of Xebeck a dude that was over WB at the time, not just that but he defeated Xebeck there as well. Source chapter 957 and 1096. 3. In oden flashback Roger got in the ring terminally ill with just haki while WB got in the ring in his prime health with haki and stongest paramecia df and the best WB cold pull after 3 days of fighting is a stalemate, Roger objectively is the better fighter just based on these stats alone. 4. Even after 20+ years after his death WB STILL could not surpass Roger bounty, is another feat in Roger`s favour, not to mention WB was always compared to Roger not the other way around. 5.Kaido haki statment about Roger, puts Roger`s haki feat above any of the yonko this includes WB.

[@toptier347]

what does gw mean? 1. we havent seen anything of god valley except for kuma flashback so theres no proof that wb took an L. rocks crew could hve literally just left. we havent seen the fight. all we seen of god valley was kuma flashback. 2. it was garp and roger vs rocks, said by sengoku even tho we seen only roger abt to fight in kuma flashback. we dont know abt the rest of the fight. 3. fighting when ur sick doesnt prove much. look at what wb did at marineford while he was sick. 4. bounty does not equal strength. we dont know what the reason y roger had highest bounty (most likely for becoming pirate king) wb never wanted to be pirate king and if we assume that rogers bounty was got from pirate king, wb didnt surpass his bounty cus he didnt want to get to laugh tale and become pirate king 5. kaido said roger didnt have a devil fruit only haki can be the best (something like that). that dont increase roger haki feats. koby has haki and no df but is his haki better than luffys(a yonko) haki ? just cus u only have haki dont mean it increases ur feats

[@Lineage4you2]

@@toptier347 GW means God Valley for short. 1. It was stated Rocks crew got wiped, so no they have not fleed, flee does not mean wiped, last time i checked words have meaning and they not even synonims. Also remember WB epic final moment? no scar on his back and all that? yeah WB not the type to turn on his captain OR flee. 2. It was Garp and Roger joining forces vs entire Rocks crew and fleet NOT a 1v2 lol. That is entirely YOUR headcannon there is no statment no panel even implying that. What we DO have is sengoku STATEMENT and it says :"Xebeck, Roger greatest foe" NOT "Garp and Roger greatest foe" ,THIS singles out Roger as Xebeck foe. Oh and look who do we have in Xebecks way in chapter 1096 right before haki sparks come off the island? Roger. I already stated the sources why are you preteneding like you don`t know who fought Xebeck? 3.Fighting someone when terminally sick AND still being a top tier makes said character THAT much more impresive. Im sure you do not mean to imply that WB in marineford terminally ill was just as powerfull as Prime healthy WB, same situation with Roger. 4. Bounties absolutley indicate strenght and power, look at all of luffy fights arc after arc, did their bounties go lower or higher? lmao you know the answer to that. The point with Roger bounty in this case is that from a story perspecitve, WB was always compated to Roger and it shows, not only in the feats that we see Roger do, like at GW or vs WB, but in this too to the point were even after 20+ years after his end ,WB STILL could not surpass Roger bounty. 5.Then why didn`t kaido mention, himself or WB ? or even xebeck then? It`s cause he saw first hand Roger`s haki and that`s who impressed him in that departement. The point is that there is no person in OP to date that acomplished with just haki what Roger did, which puts Roger haki above WB or any of the Yonko and is a feat at least in the haki departement in Roger`s favour.

[@toptier347]

@@Lineage4you2 1. rocks pirates got wiped. then y r they alice when luffy meets them. also them getting wiped doesnt mean 1 or 2 random rocks pirates ran away. when we saw garp fight the pirates we saw some normal pirates not the main crew so most likely some could escape. theres more of a chance that one escape then every single one getting wiped out. if they got wiped out, y they alive, even if its not confirmed, its the most likely situation that they ran away cus they got "wiped out" but they still alive. 2. If it was not a 1v2 then y did roger and garp need an alliance ? If roger could have won, y did he team up with garp. garp went there cus of roger but they teamed up their forces so if it wasnt 1v2, y did they team up. y did roger need garps help if it was not 1v2. 3. Being sick and doing well doesnt make u more impressive, look at doc q, he wins every battle hes apart of, grudge war, vs law, vs wb, vs ace. So now doc q is on roger and wb lvl ? 4. Buggy is stronger than croc ? Buggy is stronger than luffy ? 5. Well theres no way exact answer to this. kaido most likely mentioned roger cus he said a df can never take over the world and since roger was king of the pirates, that was the closest anyone got to taking over the world (rocks got beat so dont count) so he chose to compare it to roger. I said "most likely" cus theres not an answer to this.

[@Lineage4you2]

@@toptier347 wiped does not mean that they ended there, although some likely did, it means that the entire crew lost so badly that in the aftermath there wasn’t much left of this “op crew of monsters”.Also one of them was confirmed ended there which was Xebeck, and his confirmed opponent is Roger this showcases that roger 1v1 xebeck . You saying they ran is headcannon, why would the statement then not be “ Xebecks crew fleed from Roger and Garp joining forces? Since that is the headcannon you say, like i said words have meaning,all we know is that rocks crew got wiped which i further explained above what that could entail. Again you seem to confuse The statement from sengoku where he said that Roger and garp joined forces , he didn’t mention only Rocks, i suggest you go read again it said Rocks PIRATES which means all his crew and fleet that he came with Garp and Roger joined forces and defeated them.

[@Lineage4you2]

@@toptier347 also this for the other half of your comment since you edit. Regardin your illnes take with doc q lmao 1.If the character is top tier but is terminally ill, and fights another top tier that is health , and the healthy one cannot beat the sick one then yes the terminally ill character is automatically more impresive and the better fighter objectively, which is what my stance on this has been all along. You seem to have a very naive or flawed logic or lack thereof, which lead me to belive you either a fanboy that is not objective or argue in bad faith. 2.Regarding buggy, again your lack of logic or argue in bad faith, buggy is a comedic relief character, and is the only exception to what i said. Was kaido not higher bounty than Doffy? did the power increase not match the bounty increase? what about pre time skip , bellami power and bounty compared to say enel? was that not the same , and i can go on, but you seem to either not want to be objective cause you a fanboy or you keep bringing up bad faith argumetents that no one takes seriously in a debate. 3.yes there is Kaido mentioned Rogerit`s on you to disprove this with evidence like i did , but you keep bringing up headcannon while i bring up feats that puts Roger over certain characters.

[@arthurdcampos]

didn't even watch the video yet but I'm commenting to boost engagement

[@marietoudiarra9521]

Shinjao said it the pirate king is the conqueror among conqueror Roger's slightly above WB and Garp

[@toptier347]

that dont mean much. chinjao aint pirate king, how would he know ?

[@Spartt204]

Chinjao doesn’t even know that the pirate king title is a navigation title. Roger only got that due to travelling across the world and finding the one piece or a fraction of it cause he was “too early” Roger and everything about him is pretty much bs the only other thing that was true was that he truly cared about his crew, you bad mouthed them he would kill you. Roger still has okay feats after so long, luffy has shown better feats already

[@hyypio764]

@@Spartt204 No, Luffy also says he needs to beat all the Yonko and admirals to become the Pirate King. The Pirate King title is just a title granted to Roger by the public for being the greatest pirate. Wealth, fame and power, and all that. Finding the One Piece is clearly the biggest part of it, but characters throughout the story also associate the Pirate King as being someone extremely strong.

[@harshpratapsingh2220]

Roger in his sickness was fighting prime whitebeard toe to toe. Roger was stronger than WB and Garp in terms of Haki.

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

People have to remember that Roger had a very powerful crew, while WB (the WB pirates were kids back then) and Garp had weak underlings (Sengoku isn't always with garp). Yet their crew always end with a close fight, meaning Garp and WB must have been making up for their allies. Before you say "you underestimate the WB crew", remember that the entire WB commanders could barely stop damaged Akainu even at their strongest.

[@toot1862]

I cannot think of any scenario where Roger would ever allow anyone to help him against Garp or WB. How would anyone respect him as the King of Pirates if he Jumps his opponent? Infact WB and Garp would be the first one to never respect him. Even Kaido got pissed when he got help from another person in both his fight against Luffy and Oden.

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

@@toot1862 But that would not change the fact that the WB crew would lose badly if WB is not able to support them at least. Can you really call it a tie if everyone but the captain is down? And even the captain is barely holding on? Of course not. Thus it is more likely that WB is, for some reason, able to support his allies while still fighting Roger evenly.

[@Coffeeplease69420]

In the defense of the Whitebeard commanders, Akainu is a BEAST.

[@toot1862]

@@thepieofyourlife4799 Don't write meaningless Bs for the sake of BS. We already saw neither Roger or WB were seriously trying to kill each other. The same for their crew members. Otherwise with WB and Oden busy with Roger and Gaban, Rayleigh could have folded every one of WB's crew in moments. It wouldn't take 3 hours let alone 3 days and then Ganged up on WB. But we clearly see that's not the case. They are more of friends than enemies. Roger might have seen WB as an enemy when WB was still a part of Rocks crew, but not so after God valley.

[@thepieofyourlife4799]

@@toot1862 Yeah, BS lol. Who says that being friends doesn't allow you to beat someone and take a win? Just cause they're not trying to each other doesn't mean they're not trying to make the enemy too tired or beat up (not half dead, just to clear it up before get any more angry) to continue 😴.

[@shmelzy82]

nah, Whitebeard is stronger but Garp isn’t, he’s a bit weaker than Roger

[@Stance-u4y]

Are databooks actually Canon? Can you plz clarify it

[@primesonic4459]

More or less Until its directly countered by the Manga

[@Stance-u4y]

@@primesonic4459 You mean "Contradicted" by the manga?

[@primesonic4459]

@@Stance-u4y yes My bad

[@Stance-u4y]

@@primesonic4459 Ok thnx

[@toot1862]

Databooks and Vivrecards have been wrong before, as even if they are said to be under Oda's direction, they are at the end distributed by 3rd party publishers. If you want absolute canon info apart from the canon Manga there are only two sources. One is One Piece SbS and the other is Oda's letters. Info of both of these sources directly comes from ODA himself. As such are 100% Canon. Have never been wrong. No one can refute it.

[@Raarya-wc4vc]

i would say that before rogers death, wb>= roger>= garp, after death or roger, wb> garp> roger (before wb contracted illness btw)

[@HIWHYAIWYAGD]

Garp & Roger = Haki, not DF, normal size. WhiteBeard = Haki, strongest DF, giant size.

[@theycallmejay2310]

WB= Supreme blade. Quake Quake DF. All 3 haki+ types. Giant size. Roger= Supreme Blade. All 3 haki+ types. Garp= fists. All 3 haki+ types.

[@LegenDHakai]

​@@theycallmejay2310so WB>Roger>Garp

[@theycallmejay2310]

@@LegenDHakai nope Roger was xebec level at his peak and a direct rival to xebec the same roger was ONLY almost killed and captured by Garp. WB only has the title nothing more and titles ain’t correct it’s proven with kaido it’s proven with old WB at MF

[@LegenDHakai]

@@theycallmejay2310 bro Roger didn't soloed xebec

[@LegenDHakai]

@@theycallmejay2310 he needed Garp help

[@lxfj2128]

Wb was stronger garp was equal to roger

[@MonsterDE1]

Garps the strongest. Nearly everyone is talking about Whitebeard being Rogers rival because they talk about pirates. Same with Xebec. That‘s the same reason Sengoku and Garp are not on Kaidos list. Atm we‘ve got Whitebeard equalling an ill Roger ONCE vs Garp nearly killing Roger and vice versa a dozen times. It‘s just a matter of reading comprehension.

[@Drunkgg775]

Next chapter If Prime garp and roger fight with xebec or garp killed people

[@toot1862]

"The Pirate King. The man who had the Greatest wealth, fame and 'POWER'." - Evidence by Oda. "Roger Conquered the seas with his Haki Alone." Evidence by the The Strongest creature in the world, and A former crew member of the Rocks Pirate. "WB was the only pirate who could rival Gold Roger in his prime." Evidence by Buggy, a former crew member of PK. In this line WB is being compared to Roger and not the other way around. "It took Roger and Garp teaming up together to take down Xebec." Evidence by Sengoku. This line alone discredits WB's title as The WSM, as no matter what you think, WB isn't beating Xebec. "Roger's greatest rival was neither WB or Garp. It was Xebec." Evidence again provided by Sengoku.

[@swordpiece]

I'm slowly starting to accept that people just use youtube videos as their personal soap boxes without actually watching.

[@toot1862]

​@@swordpieceNo, I watched it. Good video. I was just giving my own points. And I also liked the part where you debunked the Chapter zero dialogue where people bring up Crocus's dialogue about Roger being perfectly fine. As I basically tell them the same thing, that Rogers condition was fine for the moment, as in, his disease wasn't flaring up that day, rather than him not being affected by his disease at all.✌️

[@toptier347]

if it was god valley rocks vs god valley roger, god valley garp, god valley wb, rocks beats them 1v1. But god valley rocks vs prime roger, prime wb, prime garp, rocks loses each 1v1 and we dont even got any info on what rocks can do. So u can argue aganist this cus it aint proven

[@joseaugustosoriano5094]

I would say that the elder ARE the highest autority of the world governement, and that Imu is simply above that and is not even included as part of the world governement, he/she is the king/queen of the world, she can't be "confined" in the world governement

[@swordpiece]

I think it's pretty rich to say that he isn't a part of the Government, when he's one of the founders and decides things like the appointment of new Gorosei.

[@joseaugustosoriano5094]

@@swordpiece being a founder don't mean he will forever continue there, as a mere founder, he is a step above, something incomprehensible for those below That's how I see it

[@swordpiece]

Have to break it to you, but it would be impossible for Imu to appoint Garling if he wasn't a part of the Government.

[@the_marvelous_one]

Whitebeard is stronger than roger but roger and garp are equal

[@alexharris991]

Honestly Roger never needed to be the strongest. he just needed and had the strongest crew

[@Spartt204]

Pretty much and he was also super lucky like luffy

[@Memelord1117]

At the time, yes. Kaido only had King at the time. For Big Mom, Kat and co were nowhere strong enough. Whitebeard's strongest subordinate was Oden at the time; marco and the rest weren't strong enough yet.

[@marcnawezi1877]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha they were so much stronger than him that he had to surrender for Garp to have a career

[@whirlwind6wind33]

All three characters mentioned in the video are fodder to Akainu

[@Canqwertz1]

Love the power scaler One Piece Fans… not… there is no real fight or Statements about that. Live your fanfiction outside of youtube and dont get in my FYP again

[@swordpiece]

Hoh. Take it easy.

[@sooodesuneee]

Callin Bogard weak? really? lol

[@swordpiece]

It's a tragedy 😥

[@sooodesuneee]

@@swordpiece he was at god valley mang no wayyyyyy he weak D: D: D:

[@swordpiece]

@sooodesuneee F in the chat for Egghead ruining over 20 years of Bogard hype.

[@yebzy]

Garp Agenda 4L

[@somerandomguy8001]

Ootko suomesta?

[@Ysmnfgj]

Vista go handle roger

[@Ihoop-Nick101]

Garp>Whitebeard Whitebeard>Roger Roger>Garp

[@LKZ405]

Garp too ok!!!!

[@LKZ405]

We just overlook the fact that Garps career has been boosted even if he said it himself. That should be unanimous consent. He never captured Roger but he's stronger? Sbs contradict the manga at some occasions. So do we listen to the manga or the sbs? Vista rivalised Mihawk during Marineford. Even me a Mihawk slanderer rather not use the sbs because it contradicts the manga at occasions.

[@FireAngelChris]

Simple quick answer No

[@rasmusgarbonzo1411]

no they werent lmfao