Whiterun in TES I: Arena

[@ka1e_chips]

*kills a guard* *goes in a building* *cheerful music resumes*

[@mariomythicdawn2223]

Mr10Residentevilfan oh the savagery.....

[@ryanchair1529]

Elder Scrolls before Oblivion in a nutshell there

[@SHADOWxSN1PER]

Bruh it was like that in Oblivion too. You'll be walking the beach with happy go lucky music on, exploring the world, and then outta nowhere the battle music turns on. I'm wondering wtf is going on, only to turn around and see one small mud crab crawling straight for me. Kill it in one hit, and the battle music instantly cuts off and the cheerful music instantly cuts back in.

[@DaBezzzz]

"It is a beautiful spring day outside"

[@ryanchair1529]

Lone Wolf he's talking about how the enemies never went into other interior/exterior cells.

[@thememeyestcat7294]

Back them, Whiterum was actually City sized, but then Nazeem moved in, and everyone else moved out sick of his bullshit, and they took their houses with them. True story.

[@SilverKnight4970]

I would believe that honestly

[@EinFelsbrocken]

Everyone retreated to caves and forts and drifted into banditry 😆

[@sukunasbootyjuice]

I did you a favor, because naturally you don’t have to hear them whine or do more quests than you already have to.

[@SilverKnight4970]

@@sukunasbootyjuice Sarba (Khajiit Dragonborn): This One Believes it to not be so bad. There would be more gold, skill raising, and Items for Sarba (Lol I Had To 😂😂😂)

[@bushmg1061]

@Evan Smith cringe material right here

[@MrKevin24701]

Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, it doesn't even exist.

[@luipars]

+Warden L Arena is more than 20 years old man, give it a break. Plus, it has a world of 6 million square km(mostly random generated, but still).

[@wailin4192]

+Kevin Kevin In the lore it did, but most of the lore wasn't developed at the beginning

[@dirkoftheblaze2352]

Kevin Kevin *Stabs* Take it back! -PeanutButterGamer

[@everydaycoma935]

Outlaw1034 he's making a joke about how whiterun is completely different from TES 5

[@pigdog8228]

tunafacation don't joke about that

[@BlueBlaze99]

> Ask About > Where is...? > Cloud District

[@gren7916]

Do you go to the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying of course you dont.

[@seronymus]

You do not have the required CHIM to proceed.

[@sparechange7872]

back in my day, we didn't get the cloud district very often because there wasn't one!!!

[@عبداللهرويشد-ك5و]

Imagine, shrinking an entire city to the size of a district. Damn Bethesda, TES will never be the same!

[@kevgmei]

***** Mods.

[@Ardoku]

Can't really mod Skyrim to be bigger though...

[@thelonewanderer420]

CaptainFirewalker yes you can

[@vogonp4287]

@@Ardoku There is a mod that makes Oblivion's world bigger. I don't really remember it's name though.

[@dannysimms6023]

The security in Whiterun is awful... shameful is what it is.

[@Nothing_serious]

Danny Simms My favorite drinking buddy! Let's get some Mead.

[@mongislort6440]

AAAAAAAAAND THEEEEEEEERE IT IS FIRENDS!! THE. UGLY. TRUTH.

[@drac3650]

Y'tried mers'nary work? It might suit ya!

[@mrmadness_7772]

Danny Simms You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords. Curved! Swords!

[@Anonymos185]

(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง Whats the matter? Cant stand the sight of a strong nord woman? (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง

[@ItsTheKerminator]

Where's your Cloud District now Nazeem?

[@Scorchcast]

This was before the warp of the west made Skyrim infinitely smaller for no apparent reason. lol

[@TheWeedLorax]

Because a randomly generated Skyrim where almost everything you explore looks the same and you have to teleport everywhere sounds like a good idea? I agree that the series has been streamlined, But there's definitely a reason that it was Down scaled for a better experience.

[@nedkelly8958]

Saying Ittadakimasu is right actually. We were under the impression that Bethesda's games being glitchy was the norm for a game of that scale. Then we saw The Witcher 3, and we begin to realize how corporate bethesda really is. They could fix everything, but they want to rush it out like the cunts at Ubisoft.

[@malganis1302]

notyerbusiness that's a load of bullshit. Skyrim became very repetitive after a few months of playing. Whilst the witcher is still played even today. I don't play it as much as i've used to but I've finished it 7 times now. Such a shame to see gamers completely shit on a masterpiece they don't understand.

[@malganis1302]

notyerbusiness skyrim's played today cause of mods and only mods. Witcher's played cause of the impact it had on the player's mind

[@Bryso69]

I couldn't imagine being locked up in a prison cell alone with that music playing on an endless feedback loop. I would literally go insane

[@meghanachauhan9380]

😂

[@ReaverTheSurvivalist]

I SELL FRUITS AND VEGETABLES WITH MY MOTHER, IT'S FUN MOST DAYS, BUT HARD WORK

[@Delta-lg7hh]

Yet every damn second she wants me to play tag

[@ksterlings197]

Khajiit has wares if you have coin... 👀

[@Reyeoux]

Khajiit is not gay, but 20 septims is 20 septims

[@sauercrowder]

Great Talos, I love! _Love!_

[@sauercrowder]

I work for Belethor, at the general goods store.

[@basedcrusader8205]

I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow to the kne- oh, wait a second. These guards actually have Knee protection.

[@Blackopsgod0001]

King Grievous Taking an arrow to the knee actually is an old Nordic idiom meaning "To get Married".

[@diegofloor]

King Grievous But they didn't while they used to be adventurers... like yourself

[@gloombo3623]

I got.shot in the eye and im perfectlyfine

[@BirdEgg123]

So Many Poops im here to crush your sentence but Zu'u los wah gunaar hin hahnudro it was a hoax btw the other thing was a sentence, see i know a bit of dragon language as a Dovahkiin but you can see what it means at www.thuum.org/translate.php

[@DanielDornekDorda]

+Kill Me no it isn't. It's reference that previous games had greaves AKA leg protection

[@LosEagle]

Not the same without Heimskr.

[@sethn5217]

or Balgruuf

[@sethn5217]

Rick Hasselhoff or nazeem

[@LosEagle]

Seth ノートン I wouldn't miss that asshole that's for sure :D

[@ackaaa22]

Nazeem: 'that's nice Dovakin, and ima let you finish, but your still not rich enough to get to the cloud district....'

[@felipem7626]

acka2001 Even thou you now own 200 000 gold and a piece of land on each hold of the province, a house on every major city and are bffs with the high king/queen (ulfric or elisif depending on who you chose).

[@9Mystere9]

Damn, Whiterun used to have a lot of bars. I knew the Nords were becoming milk-drinkers over the last 230 odd years, but I never had definitive proof until now!

[@user-ob1kh6hp1y]

+9Mystere9 6,000 odd years* Arena is First Era

[@9Mystere9]

Awesomesauce 935 Uriel Septim VII ruled before Tiber Septim formed the Septim dynasty? Mad skill, yo. P.S. where did you get 6000? Skyrim is 200 4e. 3rd era was 433 year long. 2e was 896 years long. 1e was less than 2920(probably more like 2000) years long. Merethic era was 2500 years long. So 6000 years ago would put us in the early/mid merethic era.

[@user-ob1kh6hp1y]

9Mystere9 I was just making a wild estimate since i knew that the earlier Eras were much longer.

[@9Mystere9]

Awesomesauce 935 But elder scrolls is srs bsns D:

[@majorproblem9487]

+Awesomesauce 935 Arena took place about 40 years before Oblivion bro :P so it's third Era

[@basedbattledroid3507]

Life was good without Nazeem...

[@aspoongaming7677]

Yeah you're not wrong

[@bugendaistudios]

So true

[@yvngfrxd]

But did he ever get to the cloud district very often? Oh what am I saying, of course he doesn't.

[@pogmonke5217]

And Heimskr

[@flamebird2218]

@@pogmonke5217 Yep, this was back in the days when Talos worship was perfectly legal.

[@cmdata]

12 gold? Your mother wouldnt pay that much, kid, how about 11 gold? rofl best thing ive seen in a while

[@JohnyMiko]

Timestamp?

[@Paragon13]

I thought Skyrim had a large map. But seeing that *all* of Tamriel can be explored, *plus* Whiterun’s increased size, I’ve been corrected. Honestly, I’m impressed at how much of the lore and geography had already been established from the very first game.

[@bushmg1061]

Looks like you haven't played Arena. The map outside of cities is empty & flat, only existing for distance calculations when you fast travel. Most of the lore like the Daedra, gods or factions aren't in arena. In fact, there was very little in arena.

[@ondrejhabovstiak714]

@@bushmg1061 Way more stuff was in daggerfall

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@bushmg1061 I seem to recall several of them were in Arena, but not nearly all.

[@NiGHTSnoob]

@@DIEGhostfish Boethia is mentioned but called a Dark Elf Goddess not a Daedra, and a handful of what would in later games become Daedric artifacts like Volendrung and the Oghma Infinium are in the game, but the word Daedra is never used. There is a Fire Daemon enemy, and a Frost Golem which can be seen as a proto Frost Atronach, but the setting in Arena skewed much closer to a traditional DnD custom setting than a unique one. Daggerfall gave the series it's own names for a lot of things and basic theology, then Redguard and Morrowind made the setting it's own unique thing unlike any other.

[@LordVader1094]

@@ondrejhabovstiak714 Yeah Daggerfall is really where the lore got going properly, and quickly too.

[@blueshit199]

I love that you can see Throat of the World in here :)

[@dmitryyazov1561]

BlueShit199 I saw you on half life videos,you're everywhere

[@slidylizard223]

XGaming Romania Oh really now

[@thales3772]

It's almost as if TES:V was designed around the lore and world-building set by TES:I, huh.

[@MadlifeBallerz]

@@thales3772 its almost like he was expressing what he loved about this clip/game.. 🙄

[@helveticastandard388]

lol could you imagine playing skyrim and the cities where actually cities rather than small hamlets?

[@connordarvall8482]

Most of the pre-Morrowind games had randomly-generated terrain.To accomodate for the amount of content needed for a hand-build city, most games just put in what's necessary to make an area feel like a city at first glance. That being said, I do wish some things were just bigger in Skyrim(game). The ratio of students to teachers in the College of Winterhold just feels odd.

[@flamebird2218]

@@connordarvall8482 That's true, but 3d Elder Scrolls games really started with the spin-offs in the late 90s. Battlespire and Redguard were the first in the series to not use randomly generated terrain.

[@bushmg1061]

@Flamebird22 Yeah, but those games were tiny as fuck. Redguard's minuscule island makes Bloodmoon look like Skyrim, but they balanced it out by making you move like your grandma with her walker

[@NamelessKing1597]

@@connordarvall8482 That's actually the One thing I hope there isn't in TES VI. There's no High Rock specific magic guild in lore and based on the feudal society Bretons have, private apprenticeship seems more likely. Traveling with a badass wizard on all kinds of research trips, having an actual fleshed out character to get attached to so he can be Gandalfed/Half Blood Princed on the last quest. I mean, the Synod could have some schools there but I'd love to be able to choose between the two. You know what, it doesn't make sense for an independent Hammerfell to have any magical institutions so it Kind of has to be both provinces in order to not lock you out of having a dedicated mage character.

[@StabYourBrain]

@@NamelessKing1597 I actually kinda missed the old Guild System from Morrowind/Obilivion in Skyrim. I mean, sure the Companions and Winderhold College hat a lot more depth and character to them, but i always liked traveling through all the different Cities, working in the different Guildes all over Vvardenfell and raise my rank slowly but surely in Morrowind.

[@thatsoundslikeheresytomeyo4960]

2:43 eurlund was ripped back in the day.

[@rodrikforrester9343]

that is rambo

[@UntrainableWizard]

That's not Eurlund, that's Adrianne.

[@flamebird2218]

@Victor Molina It's been 244 years. Amazingly, she's still alive

[@santicheeks1106]

Is that actually him

[@Dalziel45]

@@santicheeks1106 That;s probably his grand granddaddy

[@Harsh-up3ip]

I love this Old-School RPG feel. Jolly music playing in backround. Sleeping at inns!

[@NigerianCrusader]

It’s sad to think that Bethesda almost went bankrupt a few years after they released this masterpiece. You think I’m joking? No man they actually almost went bankrupt just before MORROWIND came out damn caps there that’s KZbin auto correct

[@Tut3478]

I love how TES 6 is taking so long to come out that everyone is watching and playing old school TES and getting it in their recommendations

[@evillemperor5447]

And it’s still 5+ years out lol

[@lavaskater4715]

Times have changed haven't they back then you had statues and now you have Nazeem.......

[@Aechelian]

Rafael Lopez No they don't. Travel to Hammerfell and it looks quite different from Skyrim.

[@sukunasbootyjuice]

Not a bad trade am I right?

[@LieutenantDonutman]

Guards in the First Era, full plate mail, guards in Fourth Era, leather...

[@fletchyface]

lightly armored means light on your feet. smart.

[@LieutenantDonutman]

fletchyface Lol, indeed :)

[@whiterunguard8869]

We have no money for steel plate armor.

[@LieutenantDonutman]

At least you know who the Emperor is :/

[@whiterunguard8869]

***** You are wearing that armor too, just in another color. Let me ask, what about the guild? Oh, nothing, because you can't control Riften!

[@mackmasters325]

This is pretty cool for 1994.

[@Galimeer5]

Whiterun is so much bigger in Arena, but so much more detailed in Skyrim.

[@Xegethra]

Kind of, but it's so small the detail is also lacking anyway. It's still the same copy paste aesthetic we see all the time. The detail in it is nothing to write home about.

[@Punkpsychobilly]

Bush MG It’s whine, genius

[@bushmg1061]

@Azmodan you were right, so painfully right

[@meghanachauhan9380]

It's so small, it can't have any detail. 20 houses man, that's the maximum number of houses in entire Skyrim. The current term would be a tribal settlement

[@spaceman1953]

"the skyforge has been here longer then whiterun itself" *sees this* JULY TO ME

[@Xegethra]

Games always forget and change lore. Keep writing too much of it!

[@greatersabre3135]

Arena didnt really cover any deep lore and most of the cities looked the same

[@bushmg1061]

@greatersabre It's not that Arena didn't cover deep lore, ES lore accumulated over time (books from previous games reappear along with new ones). Arena did establish Tiber Septim, create locations like the Labyrinthian and Dagoth Ur, and name many cities which appeared later. But, lacked most things you'd associate with the later games, like how it had no Daedra (added in Daggerfall), not to mention how Kajiit were human and Argonians looked like the thing from the black lagoon.

[@beckmcclannahan9048]

Something something dragon break

[@nome9752]

@@bushmg1061 the human khajits are correct, the moons influences how khajits looks like, certain moon phases makes them look like human, some phases makes them look like actual house cats but smarter

[@AlexeiVoronin]

This game's terrain generation is so unlimited that you can actually continue traveling until it crashes :P

[@landoflogic107]

AlexeiVoronin I thought it just looped?

[@soylentgreenb]

It just loops, but eventuallly it also just crashes.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

@@soylentgreenb The exact thing that happened to me was that it started looping, but there was a temple nearby. I went in - everything normal. Then I went out and the whole world had turned into a mess of various terrain/building blocks just floating around chaotically. I broke the Matrix, so to say... Sadly, this weird diemnsion cannot be explored.

[@tmcttf8087]

@@AlexeiVoronin .....wow.

[@Ved000000]

@@AlexeiVoronin Sounds like a job for Nickies.

[@ThePieMan305]

Where's the skyforge :o and dragonsreach? Whiterun sure has shrank since Arena lol

[@gothic3theageofwar565]

ThePieMan305 Yea where are those buildings ? Dragonsreach, Jorvaskrr and Skyrforge were already there from the Merethic Era (Ysgramor and Yngol and Ylgar period)

[@conquistadan2069]

+Warden L The towns in this game were randomly generated hence the reason Whiterun doesn't look like the one we know. Plus, this was Bethesda's first Elder Scrolls game, those buildings didn't exist yet.. For them at least.

[@conquistadan2069]

Where'd you get that info Matthew? Cause you're way off. Skyrim takes place 240 something years after this game. Arena literally takes place only 40 years before Oblivion.

[@conquistadan2069]

What made you think that? Did you ever pay attention to the story by any chance?

[@GrexTheCrabasitor]

+Matthew Champlain Online, Arena, morrowind, oblivion, and 200 years after was skyrim

[@pooeyrooey]

I love how casually he just kills and guard, takes his longsword, and sells it

[@queuedjar4578]

They call the world a "dangerous Arena" in this game for a reason. That reason being gladiatorial combat on the streets in broad daylight is a casual occasion

[@alfiek6309]

people need to remember that Arena was randomly generated

[@matthiasbos2675]

Not the mayor cities right?

[@MoveitorLoseit2]

The cities were not, but the land surrounding the cities were randomly generated, and the quests were random

[@jaysonacosta6945]

procedurally generated, not random

[@bitterman_]

CONSPIRACY!! great avatar & user name, man

[@alfiek6309]

Stardust Memories Thanks man! Long live the King!

[@michaelrosenstock9187]

no cloud district.... no FUCKER.... ARENA 10 OUT OF 10

[@ohyeahyeahyeah2957]

XDDDDDD

[@airbornekamikaze5820]

+arise212x when returning meridia's beacon( dawn breaker is great for vampires) and u get lifted to the sky, in my head," hey nazeem!!! You see this!!!

[@femininevoid]

I'll have you know there's no PUSSIEEEEEEEEEE

[@michaelrosenstock9187]

Bluethys but go to the keep and y'all be ballin ballin

[@sharangcool]

swag

[@iferg15]

Hm... needs more people telling me that we are but maggots writhing in the filth of our own corruption.

[@Wulfjager]

Wow, whiterun is an actual city instead of 5 huts and a palace

[@bushmg1061]

Well, actual cities aren't 20% inns

[@hobomike6935]

@@bushmg1061 the tiny whiterun in skyrim has 1 inn 1 tavern 1 general goods 3 blacksmiths 1 alchemist 1 wizard/spell shop 2 food stands 1 jewler's and then if you're REALLY generous you can count the stables and Honningbrew meadery as businesses, just outside the city. the whiterun in daggerfall was absolutely massive, just redundant. all we're asking for in ES6 is to have cities the SIZE of daggerfall, but with the VARIETY of skyrim.

[@curtisyue182]

@@bushmg1061 I'd rather take a city made of 100% inns than two shacks and an iHop, thank you.

[@bushmg1061]

@@hobomike6935 I’m afraid you ask too much, there has to be a trade off at some point unless you want the game to release in 2040. Also you probably shouldn’t mix up Arena and Daggerfall; Arena’s cities are way more basic, and the game itself aged far more poorly

[@hobomike6935]

@@bushmg1061 well that sucks and my day is ruined I was hoping it was possible to have an extremely large city/town that is also very intricate and uniquely designed

[@historicalsongarchive]

Wow, the series has come so far! From Arena, where everything is classic European medieval, to the last three games, particularly Skyrim and Morrowind, where every city is unique and clearly distinguishable. There's something about Arena and Daggerfall though that's just...charming.

[@kevgmei]

They're old. You find them charming because you're old, and because nostalgia. I tried Arena, and I disliked it.

[@etshArk87]

Kevin Meisenbacher how can somebody dislike Arena or Daggerfall?!? Back in my day i've spend months completing these games!! It was unnreal, i thought there was no limitation to games, everything ran so smooth and those graphics were mind blowing.. A month ago i downloaded Daggerfall again since its free now, started to play and the immersion came again.. I dare to say i almost cried remembering my childhood. I remember the difficulty of these games, i was kinda surprised how i managed so well when i was young... TES marked my childhood and thus surrounding me.. My cousin, everytime he went dine to my home he would watch me play on my computer for a few quests.. I remember him saying, is there no end to game's growth? I could have sworn graphics/combat system couldn't be much better than that and look at the series now. OF course, many things have been forgotten with the newer series.. Able to craft ur magic spells, counter price when selling stuff, the huge map and variety of stuff, etc... That's why i keep coming back to the older series to remember how it was like..

[@epitomeofcake132]

Kevin Meisenbacher I recently got into the ES series with Skyrim, and loved it. So I played Daggerfall, and loved it. It's not a nostalgia thing, if you can get into it, that game is amazing.

[@kevgmei]

PenguinHQ Well a lot of Morrowbitches seem to just be kids on a bandwagon praising games because they're older. But that's just idiots that annoy me. I'm sure that people genuinely appreciate Morrowind and Daggerfall. Arena, however, is crap.

[@epitomeofcake132]

Kevin Meisenbacher I couldn't get into Arena, controls are garbage. Daggerfall I really like, but doesn't even come close to Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim.

[@curranmckenzie9574]

Well now not even Nazeem is getting to the Cloud District, because it doesn't exist yet.

[@wailin4192]

+Curran McKenzie In the lore it did, but most of the lore wasn't developed in Arena

[@ikop5829]

Are you so brain dead you can't get he was making a joke?

[@timecoldslow2950]

Nerevar productions do you know if the cloud district is in elder scrolls online

[@necromantic420]

we heard you the first time, nerevar

[@michaelh404]

@@timecoldslow2950 Whiterun isn’t in ESO, three years later

[@SantiagoRodriguez-ve5lg]

YOU CAN SCROLL MAPS?!?!? i honestly didn't know it was possible and i was always walking like an idiot to either unveil whole maps or try to get to the exit

[@gio31111]

same

[@bushmg1061]

If I fucking knew that, my run would have been so much easier. I knew how to do it in Daggerfall, why not Arena?

[@joexer1]

@@bushmg1061 Because the game has you do it in the stupidest way possible, by clicking on the on-screen compass. Would be so much better to just use arrow keys.

[@bushmg1061]

@Cudgel-Swinging Barbarian thank you friend. I don't plan on replaying Arena, but it's nice to know at least

[@joachim673]

That's why it's called The Elder *Scrolls*

[@haldeline8663]

Patrolling Skyrim almost makes you wish for an arrow to the knee.

[@CrazyAlaskanCoDShot]

Ave Jarl Balgruuf!

[@asterixace2076]

The music and graphics are so good!

[@AdmiralMcGravy]

They are the best, Dragonborn!

[@asterixace2076]

I was being sarcastic.

[@rolandswamp]

+The Real Dovahkiin Miraak He was too I guess

[@AdmiralMcGravy]

+The Real Dovahkiin Miraak I'm being sarcastic as well

[@rolandswamp]

nope nope Let's hope Miraak aren't sarcastic about being sarcastic ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Darkdodge]

Looks like Whiterun has gone from Christianity to Talosianity.

[@YoMama9150]

War and time is a hell of a thing.

[@joshmorgan9374]

The Elder Scrolls was never a Christian thing, but there's nothing wrong with being a Christian and playing a great video game like Skyrim.

[@a.mostert800]

>there's nothing wrong with being a Christian I disagree.

[@neoslayrebeeblebrox5985]

+Josh Morgan I think he's talking about the crosses on the buildings.

[@a.mostert800]

FourteenWordedMan, I mean you're not wrong.

[@justinbisafag23]

It looks a little different...

[@kevgmei]

Extreme understatement.

[@kirillmarine5157]

Did you see those guys from Hammerfeld? They have carved swords, *CURVED SWORDS* .

[@UNFAZED1526]

carved?

[@jurgenwind]

A little ?

[@santicheeks1106]

different?

[@pandahsykes602]

This game and daggerfall were way ahead of their time . Too bad the technology couldn’t keep up enough for its ambition .

[@FeelingShred]

limitations in technology back in the day is exactly the Super Secret Weapon that kept developers' and publishers' EGOS under control, for the most part... just look at what happened to most major game franchises once there was unrestricted technology, most of these franchises lost sense of what made them appealing to players in the first place, because tah-dah (drum roll..... here it comes.... wait for it....) that's how the developers were thinking all the time... their games were great as a lucky accident, not by their "miraculous other-wordly" design

[@FeelingShred]

just look what happened to final fantasy series for example... "let's balance it" "let's fix it" Therefore lose everything that made the game great

[@FeelingShred]

Final Fantasy 1 is an AMAZING Dungeon Crawler, so is ES:Arena

[@SomethingWithZ]

Halt

[@XLucas54]

They have the ability to remake it but it’ll probably be the same engine as oblivion

[@jim5140]

That'd be hilarious if you found Heimskr.

[@GrexTheCrabasitor]

+jim5140 "AND THERE IT IS! THE UGLY GRAPHICS!"

[@Heccct]

+jim5140 *killed

[@يوسفسلامة-ف4ع]

Talos the god didn't exist until dagerfall

[@jim5140]

touche!

[@thatguywhoplaysguitarandsi4026]

Alert the modders. Have them add Nazeem as a bonus.

[@BrianLewisdev]

That moment when you realize that you can scroll the map in Arena. FML

[@bushmg1061]

Best comment on this whole video

[@hans_____]

Can't wait til this game comes out.

[@wisecrack3461]

I...

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

But.... *silence*

[@indorilnerevar8362]

Are you ok?

[@ryanc5572]

Ah, Arena. Classic game that I still replay every once in a while

[@bushmg1061]

What are you, a masochist?

[@ryanc5572]

@@bushmg1061 Well.... yes.

[@darkpaw1522]

Suddenly you see a modded Thomas the train come out of nowhere...

[@FeelingShred]

I have never finished Arena properly. But I never get tired of playing it either. It doesn't have to end. Charming and intriguing game, for sure.

[@TheUltimoSniper]

This just makes me realize how much Bethesda downsized the maps. Oblivion had actual cities (especially Imperial City), but then Skyrim's barely has more than two dozen accessible buildings each. They could've at least tried to make Whiterun more of a hub for Skyrim's activity, it actually feels extremely isolated from the rest of the provinces.

[@forresttilghman9008]

TheUltimoSniper my main problem with these games. better cities mod and the other graphic mod improve greatly on tes4 city landscape and expended towns and cities and such mix in with jk Skyrim is more life like compared to the other mix in with the rooming NPC mods in those. mods saved these games really. but this also lacks a lot of well anything. it's huge sure but lacking in life. but to be fair it's a pretty insanely old game.

[@scilla930]

TheUltimoSniper oblivion sucks

[@Ezio999Auditore]

....what am I saying of course you don't!

[@farribastarfyre]

Artorias of the Abyss I remember when I entered Solitude for the first time after playing Skyrim with several characters without ever having set foot in there before, except for the last Stormcloak quest, where you attack the city and kill General Tulius. Seemed pretty big at first. Once I went and walked further into the city though, it felt every bit as small as the rest of the holds, because it doesn't have anything more to do in it than any of the other holds, and there's hardly even more actual space to walk around in Solitude than the other holds.

[@RaxusXeronos]

I like Skyrim but yeah...cities felt like a downgrade from Oblivion. Solitude, Markarth, Riften, and Windhelm are the only places that have even a remote 'city' vibe even with their size. All the other places just seems like towns, especially Skyrim's 'hub' Whiterun. Nothing of the scale of Oblivion's Imperial City. I may not play it much anymore (being a console player, Skyrim is the only one with mods and I like how it plays better anyway) but it's cities had more of a 'city vibe' than Skyrim's.

[@VladiSSius]

Where's your Cloud District now, Nazeem?

[@nivek8968]

VladiSSius Did you just repeat a comment from 6 months ago?

[@KeevoVidya]

LeafyIsHere Yeah he did, lol.

[@nivek8968]

KevC Unoriginal

[@KeevoVidya]

ikr

[@nivek8968]

KevC Seriously though it's like he thought no one would notice XD

[@MaddBadgerr]

That guard looks unusually detailed by Arena's standards

[@buffalotitan6123]

I bet everytime that blacksmith slams that hammer down on the metal it causes a magnitude 10 earthquake.

[@flamingstallion]

Imagine showing someone in 1994 Skyrim and watching their mouth drop

[@roove1537]

Arena always seemed like a beta version of Daggerfall to me. Arena's the one Elder Scrolls game I haven't completed yet.

[@Bauglir100]

I'm up to Elsweyr in Arena and haven't even started on the Main Quest of Daggerfall. I have no idea where to go in that game, even after checking the UESP Wiki.

[@roove1537]

+Jonathan Szuhai AND I just completed it like a week ago. :D Happened to stumble across this comment on youtube. I recommend trying to get through Arena and Daggerfall. They're both good games.

[@Redslayer86]

Man... I can't believe I used to find these graphics not only acceptable, but good lol

[@finstaa5172]

Redslayer86 that’s called Elder Scrolls Online but single player

[@SciFiLOLproductions]

Imagine playing this game back then, and not realizing that this little part of Tamriel will become one of the most iconic landmasses in all of video game history

[@BobBobBobBobBob]

Amazing how they stayed true to the map years later

[@otalek9250]

The only game where Whiterun actually felt like a city

[@bushmg1061]

Not really. In order to feel like a city, it needs to feel like it has real people, which is not something anyone has ever said about Arena

[@haijyvelho]

Damn, back then cities were big and guards had full plate armour and tower shields with longswords! I guess they took a few leaps back in those couple of hundred years.

[@SamnissArandeen]

***** What with the Great War, the Markarth Incident, and the Stormcloak Rebellion, my guess is the Nords ran out of budget. Due to budget cuts, the sods had to lose the protection, including knee armor.

[@bushmg1061]

You're thinking too hard. The guards in every city look the same

[@ubermenschmexa]

I wish now I was able to cast a spell in Nazeen to send him to this age. No Cloud District and his fucking mind would explode.

[@Deebo_Parsley]

I think its funny how it looks identical to every other city in the game. I'm so glad that Skyrim was based off of vikings and made it look like the Nord's actually built it.

[@chuckaule6292]

my god, we've come a along way. imagine showing someone in 1994 fully modded skyrim. They'd probably start having a seizure.

[@bushmg1061]

"Oh, and in like 10 years someone will invent something called BitCoin. Buy that shit."

[@35volts52]

Watching this is so surreal now that I played Skyrim so much that this feels like a parody from Squirrel Monkey "If Skyrim was made in the 90s" except this game was actually made in the 90s.

[@Zeddem]

Where is the location of the Windows 95 maze on the map now?

[@artbnd5316]

Now THAT is a size of a city.

[@cornondajakob]

It's interesting to see that all the towns in Arena turned into forts in Skyrim

[@pauldee3568]

Do you get to the cloud district often? What am I saying, of course you don't

[@aita2565]

I killed Kazeem after he said that. I'm not allowed in the Cloud District anymore.

[@hardwirecars]

i have the patience of a saint i save before i kill him then reload that way its like im only killing him in my mind :)

[@BlacK40k]

This game with modern graphics and gameplay

[@mrslippyfist9155]

@Char Aznable Yes, you really need to have an incredible amount of intuition and critical thinking to murder a guard on the streets without any consequences whatsoever, while cheerful music continues to play afterwards.

[@dessypapp6452]

This was my child hood damn!! And I've been playing elder scrolls for the past 10 years

[@grahamb007]

I'm always amazed at the scale of these old games. Each iteration the graphics get better but the scope gets shrunk. At this rate ES6 is going to be just one city 2 quests and 100 lines of dialogue, but in 200k HD

[@aagh8714]

100 lines of dialogue and one city? you're describing arena, it's all copy paste generation and everything looks the same, decent for its time but its shallow compared to even daggerfall

[@meghanachauhan9380]

​@@aagh8714and instead of developing on it, they just turned cities into primitive villages and now whiterun feels like a tiny settlement in the 4th era. I can't take any of it seriously, ulfric in his capital consisting of 20 or so houses is fighting the empire? 😂

[@InsidiousOne]

Morrowind main character: *walks through the ash storms, climbs the mountains, swims between the islands, gets attacked by the fish, cliffracers and daedra, barely makes it alive through this damn island* Arena main character: *casually gallops through the whole damn Tamriel on a horse, no fucks given*

[@bushmg1061]

There were no horses in Arena. When you fast travel there's an image of a dude on a horse, but you can't find any in game.

[@extremepolarbear5046]

And people say Morrowind had bad combat...

[@TheArnoldification]

*man in full ebony dies to naked dark elf because his stamina was too low*

[@adamcochran1309]

Thats how a naked dark elf wins, just tire em out and bash them thusly.

[@archsteel8432]

that's why you go with stamina potions a lot of them. and magicka.

[@archsteel8432]

In a Rpg matters all, Is combat the main thing? no. But a bad combat system can fuck up a rpg game. Yeah, history, dialogues, possibility of role-playing, music. Those things matters a lot, but if your character is a mage, and the magic you cast is shitty, it fails and it just happens. I dont know you but i would feel dissapointed. If you are a warrior and you swing your sword and the only thing that you see is the health bar going down. I dont know you but i would feel dissapointed. If you are a rogue and your arrow just go to the ground because the physics applied to the combat system are shit. I would feel dissapointed. And all that things just make me realize that its a game, and when im playing a RPG game i want to feel like if i was in the game.

[@jectellsforgottenchannel5553]

ArchSteel damn.

[@MrPizzaslice]

Could've gone to literally any city in the game and I would've believed you if you told me it was Whiterun.

[@music-ultra1226]

Ah, 0:44 that's High Hrothgar, SE, ha!

[@strifesoul4532]

The hold of winterhold was sacked in the year 1E 2928 (I think thats the right year) by a dashboard recruit at the time of a rebellion. Thats why whiterun is smaller in Skyrim.

[@strifesoul4532]

Sorry the year was 1E 2805

[@Dudeman162]

Actually the game took place in the 3rd era, so that still doesn't explain why Whiterun is small like that.

[@storygamergames]

Whiterun is smaller in Skyrim because most of the content in Arena was randomly generated. That's why see so many shops with generic names or the same words used repeatedly just in different order.

[@wailin4192]

+StoryGamer And also most of the lore wasn't developed

[@wailin4192]

+StoryGamer And also most of the lore wasn't developed

[@baz5042]

How can it be Whiterun with no Nazeem to punch?

[@masterexploder9668]

I actually like how main cities and provinces from world map stayed pretty much the same all the way from 1994.

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

The only one missing from Skyrim is Morthal.

[@LincolnFB]

They should remake those games

[@Teabone3]

I'm considering it with my current mod. However it would take a very long time to replicate that many buildings in each town.

[@tadokorochan5056]

YES. I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY ARENA'S STORYLINE WITH GRAPHICS LIKE SKYRIM. You have put a wonderful idea into my head, my friend :D

[@defiler3302]

***** No, they shouldn't

[@Teabone3]

I'm going to take all the locations of Arena and put them in the same era as the Skyrim storyline

[@Fizer005]

T-Bone theire randomly generated, you woldnt need that many builings

[@odysseus7587]

Ah, back when a city meant city, and not a small dinky village that had walls around it. Those were the days. Even Oblivion at least tried in that aspect.

[@odysseus7587]

I'm just asking for the standard Oblivion set with cities, I wouldn't dream of a city of this size, since this city had no detail at all. That's the one aspect of Skyrim I will never get over. That and the removal of the barter system, but I can thank Oblivion for that bullshit.

[@hardwirecars]

pc's can do it now hell we could do it back in morrowind days the damn consoles are what keep us from doing it. look at arena and daggerfall vs morrowind (first console elder scrolls) oblivion and skyrim (side note i love morrowind oblivion and skyrim dont think im bashing just noting what console caused)

[@wisecrack3461]

high end PC's would crash from running a 3D version of the imperial city. If consoles were holding TES back then Bethesda would make a superior PC version.

[@swashbucklemchrue2323]

hardwire I don't think Bethesda gives that much of a shit about console ports that they'd intentionally cut down their game so they could port it.

[@captainobvious5177]

Well there are other games with large citys like assassins creed for example. i honestly wouldnt mind if not everything in an elder scrolls game would be accessible, as long as the surroundings are realistic. Also, Skyrim would have been a lot better if they'd used some cutscenes instead of ingame animations only. Seeing the City-State of Windhelm getting conquered by a hand full of soldiers felt just ridiculous.

[@voldlifilm]

I love how big everything is. In Oblivion and Skyrim every town feels tiny and the world feels barren and upopulated.

[@Harril8265]

I always thought Oblivion's cities were appropriately sized. Skyrim's are definitely way too small, though. Some of the "major cities" are literally villages, and Solitude, the capital of the entire country, isn't any bigger than the other cities.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Arena is a bit in the other extreme - cities are huge. Pretty impressive for 1994 technology, actually :)

[@mercury5003]

They really did downscale skyrim a bit.

[@Kyubeyisbestboy]

Welp. In the modern age, it's graphics over everything else and trying to make everything realistic destroys the overall enviroment of a game.

[@mehsomething]

Hurdy Skyrim was not impressive at all with graphics, it's just that Bethesda had a terrible engine used for the game that prevented them to have a decently populated city or it would be otherwise unplayable. Witcher 3 is a good example with their crowded locations, it's impressively done, but it is in the newer side of technology.

[@IneptOrange]

Holy balls back when it was a daring feat to put a difference in elevation between two areas in a game and still keep it able to run on more than 15fps on your average potato.

[@amagicalmushroom1400]

nice to see skyrim stayed true to the original layout of Whiterun

[@harryunderwood8535]

Bloody hell, didn't know the Great Collapse affected Whiterun too!

[@curehimeproductions4031]

This is a very well made game considering it's time made. Well done.

[@wailin4192]

Lol. All the people who have only played Skyrim who think they know the lore, but it's mostly not true. Most of the lore in elder scrolls was not developed in arena, so it won't have the buildings today.

[@AbiRizky]

Nerevar guide me!

[@matthiasbos2675]

In my opinion the series started at morrowind bc of the lore n stuff

[@VirgilSollozzo924]

The lore really started at Daggerfall.

[@anime-cu7sq]

chew

[@emanueljuandavid8821]

Yeah it did. The story of the Orcs was something major to all future games.

[@JESSEQUEST]

Lmao at that jump scare at 1:43

[@supergenius6256]

a lone adventurer in the middle of a cold day walks down a mysterious alley and there he sees a figure run from the corner of a building, stop and put his hands on his hips, and there is where the inevitable dialogue begins

[@JESSEQUEST]

@@supergenius6256 haha 😄

[@dinahranieri4443]

Wow, it's so weird to look at old Whiterun --does this mean we'll get to see Ragnar riding to there from ol' Rorikstead? ;)

[@jeremiahthetreefrog8178]

Idk why but I am super intrigued by this. Makes me want to try and play it

[@shrimpboom8]

I get that later games needed to have actual characters but something about the generic but huge nature of cities in daggerfall and arena make them feel so much more real. Maybe it would work better in an MMO. Example: Shop owners telling you they're the best in the area when they're the only option for miles around vs a dozen shops of varying quality competing for daggerfall's market share

[@bushmg1061]

That's actually a good idea

[@tantarudragos]

yeah, the sheer size of The games makes for great immersion of a kind that's unfortunately lacked by the later TES entries.

[@lewisnorth1188]

Still looks better than ESO

[@noobmandrink]

you're right

[@kevgmei]

ESO actually looks pretty good, while Arena is super poopy.

[@darkreality6961]

Kevin Meisenbacher You sound like that guy who's only played Oblivion and Skyrim and judges a game by its graphics.

[@lewisnorth1188]

I've played Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind, I don't like how zenimax have created the cities in ESO, the streets are too wide and bare for one. They should leave TES to Bethesda.

[@lewisnorth1188]

Yes, but it wasn't fully developed by Bethesda, and directed by Todd Howard

[@flahboi]

0:06 I really hope the next elder scrolls came up with map big like this and with next gen graphics I would love to travel from skyrim to hammerfell or blackmarsh

[@pleasantflowers9343]

there is something quite wholesome about ES Arena

[@GCJACK83]

You have come! You have come to hear the word of Talos!

[@chinwyian]

*I wOrk wItH bELetHoR, aT ThE gEnERaL gOoDs sToRe*

[@tatehuizenga8500]

That looks like the most engaging combat ever.

[@bushmg1061]

/s

[@Zack-et9wj]

All the people here must realize that this is the First Elder Scroll Game And The Lore still Has'n Even Established Yet.

[@bushmg1061]

A lot of people seem to have not realized that, judging from the comments.

[@supergenius6256]

@@bushmg1061 finally someone around here who notices that, probably just people who played skyrim first (like me) and didn't realize that things changed in 20 years, which I know about change.

[@bushmg1061]

@Merican it's funny, in an interview Todd Howard himself said "there's not a lot of lore in Arena."

[@sethleoric2598]

Yknow i'm starting to believe that one "Technologically decaying" theory of Skyrim...

[@bushmg1061]

Actually _play_ Arena and you'll change your tune, I promise Edit: I was trying to say Area is like pong compared to Skyrim

[@sethleoric2598]

@@bushmg1061 so like not everyone has full plate armor?

[@bushmg1061]

@Seth Leoric all the guards do but other NPCs don’t. Ex. Archers only wear leather

[@richardbriley8072]

I wonder what happened to the City of Snowhawk that we see on the map in the beginning. It looks to be around where Morthal is in TESV.

[@supergenius6256]

there's a fort named Snowhawk, may have been the keep of that town before it got burnt to the ground during the Oblivion crisis.

[@OceanbornAngel]

Well, at least there's no Nazeem asking you if you've been to the Cloud District in his snotty tone of voice.

[@evangraham]

my my, look at the change size wise this is like New York and Skyrim's Whiterun is like a small country town

[@Xegethra]

@arise212x Yeah, there are actual villages that dwarf them in size. And they are still too small to be towns.

[@TheNerfGunOnes]

Changed a lot since the Third Era, Where is Dragonsreach?

[@ravelordnito1182]

***** no its the 3rd era cause septim wasent born when the dragons were around it was proburly 10000 years before the castle built

[@fpphub1813]

chris rochford It is the first era, Olaf is the Jarl, but the dragon does not come until the end of the 1st era.

[@ravelordnito1182]

no its set in 3rd era

[@TheCoolmanawsome]

***** No. All of the elder scrolls games (Exept for Battlespire and ESO I think and maybe some of the phone games) are set in the third era exept for Skyrim. Skyrim takes place during the forth era.

[@ravelordnito1182]

no eso is set in the second era urial wasn't alive during the crisis in eso he was in the events in arena and oblivion his son martin was born in the third era and when martin banished dagon to oblivion and then the fourth era began

[@cosmovandam]

This soundtrack motherflippin slaps

[@bushmg1061]

That's good you like it, because if you play Arena it'll be on repeat in every city.

[@mrk_g6499]

“Doth though oft’ prance upon the Cloud District, lowly squire?”