A.I Mastering SNAKE OIL?

[@dominicbout]

27 million datapoints, but only a couple of knobs and sliders to control it. I wouldn't trust my mix to something like this.

[@XVIIIPRO]

exactly what i thought, i’d have to test it

[@jaybefaulky4902]

it's all about what sounds good. don't forget this

[@Ardeact]

I think data points mean parameters. 27 million isn't actually that much. Consumer AI models can go up to 27 billion parameters, only limited because it has to run on consumer hardware.

[@benjaminmichaut9996]

27 million data points is 5 minutes of stereo music at 44.1kHz

[@Maradnus]

so basically the more people that buy it & use it are basically contributing to the data points.. -.-

[@anteshell]

How did you come into that conclusion? My math cannot quite math it out. 27M samples divided by 44.1k samples/second is roughly one minute of audio. Not sure how stereo works, should I divide or multiply that by two if anything, but which ever way it is, it's 0.5, 1 or 2 minutes of stereo audio. How did you get five minutes out of that? Consider this as off-topic question. Not interested about the datapoints or Optimus' PR jargon, just curious about your equation.

[@zsliu98]

@@anteshell 27000000/44100 \approx 612.24 \approx 10 minutes, for stereo it is 5 minutes. Another way to verify it is to think of the size of a floating-point wav file.

[@benjaminmichaut9996]

@@anteshell That's it, I'm dividing by 2. 5 min in stereo has as many samples as 10 min in mono. Your explanations seems right so your maths could be wrong. 27 000 000 samples / 44 100 samples/sec = 612 sec = 10.2 min and not just 1 Do you have a zero missing somewhere ? (or have I ?)

[@theemperor6540]

@@benjaminmichaut9996 its 7.30am here and can you guys keep it down, im tryin to sleep

[@dahlbaker]

This video inspired me to go out and buy more tubes.

[@proxzi]

so basically they just tried to put all the ozone modules into one interface but with limited features

[@tmartin9024]

If you print your master through this with nothing after it in the chain and then import the track & reanalyze, will the AI say it’s perfect as is or will it again make new adjustments to what it already did?

[@janetkirby2448]

HA HA … good one😉

[@tonyr.4778]

I'd be curious if you used this to create a mastered version and then put the mastered version in to see if it accepts it and says it doesn't need anything. Because if it modifies the original to make it mastered and then wants to modify the mastered version, it would be proof positive it's snake oil.

[@pocket1684]

Good idea. I have a feeling it will modify even a bernie grundman master in my experience, AI is kind of like many presets on plugins and plugin instruments. Some are good but the real creativity comes when a human is adjusting the knobs to match the song at hand, instead of a generalization.

[@inthemix]

I’ve tested this with every auto/AI mastering plugin on the market. They all keep changing the master over and over.

[@anteshell]

No, it would not prove anything like that. What you propose would require that there is one universal right answer for mastering which every AI strives for and what your master track already satisfied. I mean, by using your logic you could prove actual mastering engineers are snake-oil by doing a blind test; provide a few engineers randomly either the final mix or master, and if you receive anything that does not null with your original master, every test participant would be considered snake-oil salesmen.

[@prodigalretrod]

@@anteshell That's a different scenario though - what's being proposed here is to feed the plugin its own results, which it should theoretically agree with (more or less) - as opposed to expecting multiple different AIs (or MEs) to concur. In my experience, when running a subsequent instance of an auto EQ plugin, eg Sonible SmartEQ, it will often make the same suggestions again, even after the first plugin instance has already applied these recommended changes.

[@inthemix]

@@anteshell That’s an entirely different scenario. We are talking about asking an engineer (or software) to master and remaster the same track over and over and see if they make big changes each time.

[@paulmisty8998]

Check this out! I tested this plugin some moths ago. They told me they were working on a major update to be released in August. Not seeing it. The EQ is excellent. It is honestly one of the best EQs I have ever used. Not because it has digital tubes or iron and stuff, but because the EQ bands work together dynamically. Just try and change one band and you will see. This is much more like a hardware-like feel which you can only achieve with 2 hands. This is great. I love that. I still don't know if the AI does only affect the EQ curve or if there is something going on under the hood, like some resonances, loudness or something else. It would not make sense to have the AI only make some EQ adjustments and leave the rest as it is. I still don't know what is going on. For the price...I mean you can get Logic for 200$ with a mastering AI suite that's probably just as good as this one here. So I think 100$ is too much. That said, it's still less than Ozone although it can do much less. But I don't like the sound of Ozone. Not using it. I love the EQ. The compressor is great, too. The rest is good enough.

[@prod.kvdence]

I love these videos so much. Talk about educational entertainment! Keep it up, bro.

[@bazbeat]

have you tried the UVR-5 for matching mastering? under Audio Tools in UVR-5 it can match a referance track master. had very good results with that. not possible to adjust anything after it matches , but you can feed it different referance tracks ofc to get different results. quite happy with that for quick mastering attempts

[@TheDanielShepherd]

Does it just boost the lows and highs no matter what you put into it?

[@SonoraOndaLatinaOficial]

Please the link to prove it

[@LaluProg]

Great video as always! I would never mix a full album with something like this, but I’d probably use it for pre-production demos, quick previews, etc. And even then, I still can't find anything that sounds better than CloudBounce when it comes to this. 🤷‍♂

[@mantaproject]

I also wonder with such automatic plugins if they know the difference between creative decisions or a wrong setting. (regarding your tonal balance adjustment )

[@antoniolacontana4727]

Thx! Sorry for the "place" in which I ask but could you make a video about the plug-ins (AI based) that provide to solve the masking issue, like waves curves equator? P.S. I don't want to have anything to do with Waves so, any alternative solution?

[@MusicChannel-rf5zz]

Nice to have a plugincop ! many of us get ripped !

[@Waldo_Ilowiecki]

I really like these videos where you show new products, hardware and software. When you show new plugins, it's especially valuable to me. Because... let's not kid ourselves. There's so much of it that the average producer can't handle it anymore. It's good that you test them for us. You do it cool, with humor and commitment. Thanks, friend. ❤

[@sabothawk]

Fun vid as always -- thanks! Yeah, it's sad that I'm trying to understand what need this plugin is trying to fulfill that Sonible and Izotope haven't: is it another matching EQ in a channel strip format? If it is an AI matching EQ, I suppose it could be recognizing the kind of music it's listening to, select from popular songs in that genre, and apply that profile as a starting point; yet, that might be all this plug can provide: a starting point, since it doesn't seem to allow re-routing/intercepting the signal path or include any user-selectable modules to contour the sound further... anyway, the output still sounds good and this could absolutely find a place with musicians/mixers who want to preview how their song will sound after mastering! -- Happy Mixing! :)

[@vmi4172]

Idk but this looks perfect for producers that want a quick fix, that don't get all technical, for beats. Not all of us want to be mix/master engineers. We just want to make a beat and make it sound better quick🤷‍♂ Definitely wouldn't use this for a full song, but just for producing it looks like what it's made for🤷‍♂

[@illnoyz5054]

Everyone I know that's used it loved it and said it made their songs sound better than anything they'd done before but most ppl don't try things themselves they live threw others.

[@patrickalphenaar]

Probably i am the only one really liking this plugin! I prefer it way above Ozone and many other mastering plugins. Just because the clean and undistorted gain i can get. While other plugins would be pumping dynamically optimus remains calm and clear…… so in some cases with some suitable tracks yes it can work out pretty well…… 😊 Will it replace a true and great Mastering engineer? Ofcourse not!!!!!!!! Not even close. Yet its my favorite in the digital ai domain….. Cheers

[@ViN-EzL]

Hmm… finally someone reviewing this. I tried it on a couple tracks when it first came out. One of them was the best sounding master I’ve had so far…

[@gregpastic6910]

My experience with AI driven plugins is that they are more 'human' than we think. My proof: run an AI plugin, like 'smart eq' for example, and let it 'correct' your work, print it. Run the same AI plugin again on the 'corrected' track and watch it re-analyze and do more corrections! Just like all the human mix engineers I know, they're never satisfied.

[@sethkocho1434]

I don't think I've ever watched one of your videos where you did an AB comparison using the bypass button scratching my head bro

[@thesongmill]

I'm trying out the plug in as well and I feel like it's really close to being something amazing but to achieve an incredible master I still needed some additional plug ins to take me where I wanted to go. Like you, I felt like, if it's AI it should just listen to my song and say okay, here' the EQ curve you need (with options), here's the amount of compression I recommend, the spatial width I would do and here's the amount of loudness I recommend. Overall I feel like it's good, but I'm thinking I've got limiters that sound better than this one. I have mixed feelings about it right now. That said, I was able to achieve some pretty amazing results very quickly so that's a plus point. I can always spend the time on a serious master and make it sound incredible, but I'm looking for something that can give me great sounding results really fast for when I don't have time to do a proper master or for rough mixes and to be able to get to some of my back catalog. I have works that I can't spend a couple days working on but if I can get it sounding decent in a couple hours, I'm there.

[@psyborg1981]

Does it have a learning button? Or did I mis something? For me it is a no go..even though I have heard good things about it. I would master my track online for a few bucks instead...

[@ForTiorIJohnny]

"you´re in total control" is some top tier false advertisement.

[@Jazzguitar00]

The Limiter sounds good, the modules work well...but what's special about the EQ? (90% chance of "nothing")

[@tekis0]

AI or not, great sounding mix, White Sea!

[@starholm]

Good work! Thanks!

[@oddopalmusic]

Good to have you back, Wytse.

[@hahahehe4885]

Snake oil? 😊😊 is back!!!

[@Renderer555]

I tested this too, my thoughts exactly, nothing exiting or new here. The demo was irritating. It's very difficult to seriously test a plugin that cuts out every minute......

[@gregpastic6910]

Do we (mastering engineers) really feel threatened by AI mastering? I'm not, for the following reasons. Why would anyone spend hundreds of hours writing music and lyrics, $$ thousands on recording and mixing, all the hours of editing, etc, etc, and then go and put ALL your blood, sweat and tears in the hands of an AI algorithm for mastering? GEEZ guys....use a real mastering engineer, a human that you can talk to and get constructive feedback from. It's NOT expensive to use a qualified engineer in a good studio. I and other mastering engineers offer a free track, so you've got nothing to lose. You can then compare it to AI mastering. Don't risk selling yourself short, your music and career are worth it. Cheers and keep making music!

[@Bert_Fromarketin]

HAS SANDSTORM BEEN RELEASED? A GROUP CALLED DARUUUDE I THINK, HAS BEEN PROMISING FOR YEARS TO GIVE US A FINALIZED VERSION

[@StarvedForTime]

This plugin obtains the coveted "White Sea Goatse" award.

[@a_doggo]

Ugh, please. Some of us remember that website. It's my turn to remind you of "The Giver." He was features on said website. Enjoy the memories!

[@lamusiquerieabeaune8201]

It's very low CPU compare to Ozone - the AI EQ is fair enough - Limiter is clear ... I will not use it for a final mastering but it may be practical for certain uses

[@iggswanna1248]

why not use it on a final mastering?

[@lamusiquerieabeaune8201]

@@iggswanna1248 cause I love Flow Mastering by softube !

[@Arron_Mottram]

Nothing beats IZotope Ozone

[@jacobseal]

Im waiting for AI driven plugins where you can prompt it. Like...."your first attempt is too bright and overcompressed. Make it warmer and more open"....etc. I think its coming. I can imagine a DAW that could do this with mixing, too.

[@GabryszBruno]

you're right, coming soon, you can bet on it

[@anteshell]

I see you have bought a new chair recently. Care to share what it is?

[@OscarSlapp]

First of all that track is 🎷🔥

[@VersatileLifestyle1]

I love it

[@СергейБоголюбский-ш3ь]

Lifetime of ai plugs is a microsecond… nobody understands how it’s really working, but every new plug is head higher than previous and its released form gatling gun like

[@DaveChimny]

Looks like the plugin is just trying to mimic the Harman curve.

[@Wizardofvoz2]

Great work.

[@varouestmusic]

We need an international label certification for AI utilisation in logiciels !

[@varouestmusic]

Hi everybody. I trying to develop something for music AI certification. i hope offer something next years.... hard work to do yet... 🤞

[@MyToasterIsMoist]

I love the idea of plug-ins making mixing more accessible for more people - most of us can’t afford to build up a collection of expensive outboard gear. Convenience is good for creativity! -however for me that stance falls apart when you introduce something that does everything *for* you, or at least attempts to. Personally I just can’t get behind the idea of AI plug-ins doing all my work for me - if I’m not learning and growing as a mixer then what’s the point?

[@truegent68]

I think people will get so sick of ai music in the future you will see a massive resurgence of organic and live music, ai is soulless. It's handy to use as an assistant but that's it.

[@MusicChannel-rf5zz]

Sounds like Spyro Gyra!

[@OliverAmberg]

Drumroll.... You are reading a user guide!!!! I am shocked! 😁

[@sebastianwoolgar4530]

A spinning globe Wow! , this must be good .....

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Well,at least elevators will sound better now I guess.

Mac is working on linux because it's good, here it seems like it's an ozone thing someone took and just removed the tools 😂😂

[@alexbile2597]

good music man

[@audiowaymusic]

Nobody needs that. I do it all with my Human Intelligence.

[@mafiashpagety]

Now every crappy plugin is an AI. They are bored with that marketing.

[@SkyrenOfficial]

SNAKEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIL

[@the_handsome_bear]

Optimus was horrible when I tried it 😂😂😂. Apple logic mastering and ozone both blow it out of the water

[@Azfurita]

I tried this and it killed my dog

[@MJASMR1]

Haha

[@ziebanez]

I would never use that thing!

[@TonyChamberlist]

Your scepticism is warranted. It's delivering a "smiley" EQ curve... The sound delivered is more attractive to the uninitiated of course. Do your evaluation with a completely different production, and I'll bet a similar if not identical picture emerges. And, who are these developers? What is their background? Where did they cut their teeth in terms of audio production? This thing stinks of snake oil.....

[@a_doggo]

So it's basically a plugin like Dynamic Grading, APU Loudness Compressor, or the LANDR Mastering Plugin? A loudness limiter with an exciter maybe. You can run it in series with The God Particle, guys!!! This stuff feels like an inside joke. I'm sorry, but if you can't beat DJ Swivel's HitStrip, I'm not installing you anymore. That's the bare minimum.

[@nanutpicaboo]

Please Neural Amp Modeler (Free) has a lot of outboard gear, please can you test some for us? Love your channel, thanks!

[@DerekPower]

No, AI will not take your job … unless you’ve been a machine all along 😁

[@80s_kid]

This isn't Optimus, this must be a Decepticon.

[@ViN-EzL]

Decepticon

[@80s_kid]

@@ViN-EzL Uh, yes, thanks.

[@Mick-Ozz]

A.I. won't paint it's fingernails

[@beehype46and2]

Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 276

[@mayzter8765]

we need AI in creative projects as we need hamaroids..not!

[@Kkidzz]

Absolutely depends on whether it's Honey'd or Smoked...🙄

[@marfaxa]

You're getting your ham from the wrong places.

[@mastermindesrpr]

Smart Eq clone????

[@Galaxis-X]

Finaly bro ❤

[@alexanderkhait]

Always

[@jamesjames77777]

Could the AI be setting the other parameters to the track? Because if not, that’s pretty awful.

[@Whiteseastudio]

I could not figure this out

[@SkyrenOfficial]

Like hidden attack, lookahead for compressor? Hidden ratios for spectral dynamics and hidden bands for space module? I highly doubt.

[@Iscamania]

AI is just a buzz word in this case. 😛

[@kshep39]

I demoed this and was not very impressed.

[@DigitalDemonForge]

Nothing beats T-Racks 6 so far

[@crunchwrapsupremium1053]

I have T-Racks 5 and was wondering if it was worth upgrading to 6

[@phadrus]

How so?

[@uncle-ed]

Nothing beats a mastering engineer so far

[@peroatanasov931]

Sorry bro but after all research, opinions from experienced Grammy awarded producers, I will say you are wrong. 60€ master plugin, and I am probably geting today. Even your face twitched when you realize that you can crank your mix up 7+db and still no distortion... I was you, analog freak, but I realized I need to use my time and space, 60's are over long ago man 😉

[@Slope114]

Screw this make a video of you engineering to promote your work instead of promoting ai because you may end up successful on yt with no studio customers. IMO regardless of ai if you build a strong brand as engineer you will get work.

[@yonatron5684]

Looks like I found someone that actually voted for Kamala

[@Slope114]

@@yonatron5684i did! It was Russian interference. Orange face is a Russian asset

[@UserFromSumy]

Snake oil is back, hello from Ukraine.

[@igorkhomenko2508]

🐍🛢

[@cedd9043]

This plugin is not great ; I don't understand the positive comments they have on their add

[@timepainter6831]

It's so self defeating. Fully AI, bit you also have control? We already have that from other vendors much better, happily use them and happily use old-fashioned outboard gear. Here's the thing, they offer AI, but also full control. So your aiming at home producers...and in the end it's your ears, heart and soul that decide if it's okay. This week ruined a mix totally because I was working till late too long...so AI would be useful if it didn't let me make any decisions?

[@frattuncbas]

Ik Master Match X i better than this.😂

[@mayzter8765]

We can ask AI/robots to listen to the outcome/music and be done with it. Stop promoting this BS. Music is a feeling, and by taking the 'human' out, you take out its soul. Music is already downgraded; with AI, it will become useless. I hate using these tools.

[@mygoogle1525]

You can work with AI. These are meant to be tools. Ypur humanity won't be tak3n out of it ,as long as ypu won't let it.

[@mayzter8765]

@@mygoogle1525 we let it, because our music is already a dime a dozen..AI will make us math stupid as the calculator did, but more broad..

[@mygoogle1525]

@mayzter8765 That's a choice. It's not AI doing it but the people.

[@mayzter8765]

@@mygoogle1525 That's the problem, we make a choice, not the algorithm...until now, I'm not worried...AI is shit..

[@mygoogle1525]

@@mayzter8765 It's shit ,if you see it shit. Imagine people being upset with the invention of a phone,because it has replaced their ability to write letters.

[@pptang123]

this plugin sounds really natural, trust your ears,I have used it instead of other more famous mastering plugins

[@SHOCMUSIC]

Looks very useless, yes xD

[@kkamelsolo]

Don t be afraid man ... just make your own AI plug in 😉

[@TheNoticer12]

Its complete garbage.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

👎🏻

[@lindsayandrews5707]

Lame. SO lame.