Whitetail Induced Mental Turbulence | MeatEater Podcast Bonus Episode

Steven Rinella talks with Mark Kenyon, Tony Peterson, and Brent Reaves.
Topics discussed: First Lite's new reengineered whitetail system; Elevation, angles, leaning, positions; chasing specific deer; when you can’t chose the perfect tree; stalking the spot you wanna be in; number one reason why folks miss or wound deer; never shooting under and always missing high; target panic; the wait time to expiration; hot tips of before and after the shot; and more.
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[@chadaaron9661]

The WORST is when after you've made the shot, and it starts raining. Not only can it wash away the blood, but you know that, so you push faster.

[@fruitofthemycelium]

Just when I ran out of podcasts to listen to! Thanks

[@donaldmcgregor8152]

I’m fascinated by this conversation! I’m hearing all the things I’m doing wrong although I didn’t realize it! Thank you for recording and sharing this guys!

[@beanofthefuture]

Starting off the discussion by saying that rifle hunters aren't avid whitetail hunters when there are plenty of examples of guys who go state to state following the rifle seasons, spending just as much time in the field exclusively for whitetail is like the snobs here in Colorado telling me I'm not a real trout fisherman because I don't use a fly rod. We're all hunters and wish we had more time available to improve our craft and enjoy the pursuit. The rest of the show was great.

[@rileypelzer5808]

Lighten up Francis

[@beanofthefuture]

lol

[@huntermckinney18]

Especially down here, in the south, gun seasons are long - not just 1 or 2 weeks. A lot of people will bow hunt just to extend their seasons, but prefer using a rifle and wouldn’t call themselves a “bow hunter”.

[@user-fl1kp1iw6y]

Most hunters aren’t going state to state buying tags. It’s a misconception exacerbated by the internet.

[@SchusterFishes]

You ain’t shooting a bow tho so…

[@Patrician9000]

We definitely need a part 2! I would like to hear more about meat spoilage, temps and times, what to do about wind shifting, the farthest deer have gone based on wounds (when are you looking farther than probable)

[@michaelboschen3703]

I felt really comfortable shooting my bow until shooting from a saddle. Something I wasn’t paying attention to was the left and right lean of my bow. I missed the first shooter buck at 20 years because of how the bow was canted to the left as I leaned around the tree. I didn’t have that issue when sitting in a tree stand.

[@user-ux3ye8fu3v]

Another michigan hunter here! I remember working night shift 6 or 8 years ago. Id listen to as many wired to hunt podcasts as i could. I got addicted to hunting id say mostly due to that show. All the things i learned taught me that hunting isnt just about luck. I remember mark announced his first kid, inteviewed all the greats from infalt to the drurys and the ole 9 finger chronicals guy mr Dan. I dont listen to too many podcasts these days but glad to see everyones doing good.

[@Kk-yt8bl]

Tracking. I run a 2000 acre club in eastern NC. Mix of AG and timber. We are almost never alone, so first rule after the shot, contact another member and wait for them to show up and help,IF it was a decent shot. That will always put you past 30 minutes. Even if we can see the deer down. Next blood tracking, we all carry a roll of toilet paper with us, every spot of blood gets a square of TP. Can be traced day or night and biogedrades quickly. If there is good blood we will only track for about 30 minutes. If still going we mark the spot, TP, and return in a couple hours. Depending on temperature and confidence in blood or no blood. Only lost 2 in 6 years and a lot of meat collected

[@huntermckinney18]

Eastern NC is a beautiful place to hunt!

[@woodsmn8047]

The trouble with 3D archery targets is they don't duck your shots ... they just stand there and take the shots and never move so you still can miss in the field ... so you still might not be ready

[@Dinkslayer681]

Nothing you can do about that.

[@spiritualundergroundpodcast]

The Maine trackers seem like pretty diehard gun hunters

[@SavagelandHunting]

All 10 days a year 😂😂

[@johndyer9232]

Maine's modern firearms season starts last couple of days of October and runs up to Thanksgiving followed immediately by muzzleloader. So, a whole month of firearm hunting in Maine.

[@SavagelandHunting]

@@johndyer9232 wow, an entire month.

[@johndyer9232]

@@SavagelandHunting Yeah. I wish MO's firearms was longer. We get a couple antlerless seasons throughout that extend firearms season and now CWD extensions in CWD zones, but nothing like Maine gets and definitely nothing like Southern states get.

[@randygarrison3459]

Love your podcast and all your other content. I would like to lead off by saying that all avid whitetail hunters for the most part are bow hunters didn’t hurt my feelings. I do however think that it’s false. I do bow hunt occasionally for the extra opportunity early. For velvet bucks. I’m active duty military and spend my fall season deer hunting not only the state I’m in (Louisiana) but also where I’m from (Alabama) and where I was stationed for ten years of my career (Kentucky). Those three are a given each year then there’s usually 2-3 others that I rotate through. So between those states I hunt (with a firearm) either rifle or primitive from mid October to mid February basically every day or couple days. I get the the ten day a year example given but that’s not representative of all states either. In Alabama or Mississippi for example you can hunt with a rifle from thanksgiving week to mid February. Just giving a different perspective from one of us that do our damage mostly with the boom stick lol.

[@Deno03]

According to Oxford dictionary, avid means having or showing a keen interest or enthusiasm for something. Trying to classify it to archery or bow hunting is trying to make one feel superior.

[@brian2591]

​@@Deno03 Get over it

[@Deno03]

@@brian2591 right after you accept the fact that you're not better than, or more than someone who chooses a different method.

[@kristyrenkema855]

Fantastic episode! Thank you for covering these foundational components that are absolutely crucial. I would love to hear more about some wind tips, stand set-ups, and field dressing tips. Thank you!

[@user-pd3bw9zp1b]

This was a great episode, especially as an honest amateur wanna be Hunter, but grew up with multiple bear archery recurve, thanks for making it real

[@SouthDetroitFishing]

And I went all night at work thinking I only had Mr Reaves and Cermele to listen to. .... Frick and Mr Reaves is on this one!

[@CanAlsoDeliver]

The most niche thing ever but can we get this for blacktail? Us coastal folks hunt and avidly watch too but there's a severe lack of love.

[@nathankimbro2639]

Good discussion

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

I mean if you go to 3D competitions and you either shoot their novelty shoots where there's usually a bunch of people standing there watching or you just get into where there's a group of people and you start talking to them in that it always makes me a little bit nervous and can either make me shoot worse or I shoot better because I'm trying my hardest but it's good practice I feel

[@nicholastobe2216]

The way started referencing my aim point. I have taught myself to do is to aim for my exit point. That way your arrow will hopefully follow straight through the most vitals in that position.

[@ratherbefishing4225]

Up till about 34 mins I was almost screaming “Shot IQ! Joel Turner! COME ON!” But then Mark said everything I wanted to say😊

[@Andi.Mitchell.Designs]

Here to comment on the story at the end of governed rags episode. HOLY CRAP!!!

[@jackfinished77]

I don't even know what they talked about, The Buffalo with a monocle next to Steve-O had me in a trance

[@johnboggs2728]

Absolutely love this. All 4 of you awesome job on this

[@MrThatnativeguy]

Lol Corinne slinking away in the background @ 33:45

[@dimensionsofearth]

No white tailed deer where I live, but still very valuable information!

[@TheAcesShow]

Im a rifle only hunter who considers himself a die hard whitetail hunter 😮

[@poboy6704]

Awesome podcast! Do we get one gor Elk?!?

[@45-70Guy]

In reference to the die hard deer hunters not being rifle hunters only. I’d say that’s an odd assumption considering many people especially traditional New Englanders take their vacations during the rifle season, and or waiting for snow to track deer which normally is not a possibility even in October. With such thick woods many have better odds of they are walking through the woods instead of sitting in a stand all day.

[@WesternNyBigfoot]

Vertical 1 pin gave me anxiety. I switched to 1 pin horizontal woked wonders because my natural sway. Try it out

[@GrowinwithAJ]

archor point is the most important thing when bending leaning sitting and so on. hard to archor with a mask or bulky gear.

[@yankeehunter3466]

i practice my pull on stand when i set up and yes i accidentally hit the release button trigger, lol broad head still razor sharp arrow reacquired from tree deer come walkin from that direction 2 hours later no problemo

[@jamesgranderson2890]

Cool! Thanks!

[@jimnorris1027]

YHey you all. I Love your show, and I think you are looking for a rebuttal when you say Whitetail hunters should be bow hunters. I am a fishing guide in AK and I don't have the opportunity to bow hunt in the lower 48. However, I am pretty successful on getting a good deer in PA in rifle season.

[@user-pd3bw9zp1b]

Thank you, also you did a great interview about 1.5 years ago regarding arrowhead technology dynamics, I found it fascinating, can you send me a link or repost that episode, that you

[@thomaswright8884]

Heavy jacket 😂😂😂😂 I'm in Virginia Beach still 80 degrees in bow season

[@fanfictionfan01]

Hi Steve. I was thinking through something recently, and although it may just be a dumb thought, I wanted to run it by someone who I know wouldn't outright dismiss it. I was thinking about how my family members are with grocery shopping. Even though they usually buy the same things, they like to show off what they bought when they come back home. I wondered if this happens for the same reason that a hunters and trappers like to show off their game to the tribe? I

[@blakewestcomb9541]

👍

[@user-pd3bw9zp1b]

I need to start a convo, … so arrows have 3 “feathers, for cheap I shoot Easton 2017 with field points, … except, arrows come built for compound bows, I end up having to strip the fletching and re alight, anyone else have this issue…. Or source

[@user-pd3bw9zp1b]

I shoot recurve traditional , plus kids shoot my arrows, but that rye fletch is problematic

[@loganmaddocks4703]

Anytime I see a deer the first word in my brain is "ope". Anyone else? Its to varying degrees on my kind depending on how close the deer is too. 😆

[@marktembreull9530]

😄

[@vlm6514]

Sucks when you do everything right & give that deer 10 or 12 hours only to find out the coyotes kicked him up & he’s gone for good

[@PeterOldschool]

Idc who you are.... Hunt with whatever weapon you choose. Just be ethical. If you take a rifle and shoot 300+ routinely... maybe you should practice your stalking and sign reading so you csn get closer and make a better ethical range shot. I mean yea in the mountains you may need to reach out for an elk. You shouldn't be shooting almost a half mile to take game. You are just a marksman at that point, not a hunter. Also, if you are in a state that allows baiting... Do not consider yourself a fine hunter. Its not even a matter of pressured vs unpressured. Its just an attractant that is almost guaranteed to attract a deer. Especially come cold season. Its not teicking the deer like using a call, its training them to become reliant on that food source.

[@MidwestMuzzleloader]

It does seem a bit elitist to say that only bowhunters are serious whitetail hunters. I guess the 11 months I spend with trail cams, food plots, etc. just make me a fair weather hobbyist? Seems to me that if bowhunters were that serious they wouldn't need 3+ months to harvest a whitetail, unless you need some extra time in there to track wounded deer?

[@GrowinwithAJ]

i disagree. i consider myself a avid whitetail hunter but its all i do and tthink about. i hunt almost everyweekend and sometimes 3 days in the week during seasons . so i disagree if you only spend a few days a year hunting your not a whitetail freak. i start my season withspring turkey summer hogs bowfishing gar shooting dove and teal then sept elk but once oct starts nothing else matters but deer and i use bow most the season except when weather or area of operation are not favorable. im a disabled vet so i understand the working man cant get out like they want but ive worked for 30 years and that never stopped me. might have caused a argument a few time and a divorce but i love hunting more than any women and my wife knows that.

[@zaynemikita6897]

29:19 you guys are blurring all these issues together. They are completely separate. First off, your brain only takes what you give it. If you tell your brain to not do that thing it's going to do that thing. Like if I tell you not to think of a pink elephant, you will be thinking of a pink elephant. So if you tell yourself to not punch the trigger you're going to do it. 31:12 this is 100% wrong. You maybe pulling our of your peep but that's not due to the sight, that's due to you freaking doing it. Do people even listen to themselves on these podcasts?

[@Jase-E]

I can hear Mark Kenyon but I dont see him. Perhaps he's under the table...? Meanwhile, there's this rude teenage boy, without a whisker on his face, mocking his every word.

[@PJ_Perry]

Real white tail hunters use bows ? I use my box chevy and boy i get em Year round ..😂😂😂😂

[@billwotruba9432]

Kenyon's a schizophrenic, he's always talking to himself. 😅