Who are Pathological Narcissists? Knowing about NPD, BPD & ASPD. Dysfunctional Relationships

[@Paulmetatron8]

As Carl Jung says : "I am not what happens to me but whom I chose to become". I have had a disastrous experience with these kind of women. I now raise 4 children 7 days a week with no support. It may not be their fault but the absolute destruction these (mostly) women leave behind them is mind boggling. I felt sorry for them but they are horrible people in how they screw over everyone around them. Cant keep making excuses for them. They count on your "free pass" which is why they continue to do what they do. "Feeling sorry for them" is how they manipulate.

[@stepahiestevens5974]

"they can't see the problem because the problem is them. The problem is the crystalised personality"

[@catherha1]

You're preaching to me this morning Mr Rosenberg. My husband will never admit fault, vague if anything for instance : yes I've done you wrong. And that is it. Won't go any further to resolve anything & telling a lie seems involuntary. Just like breathing, flows naturally. Therefore I'm picking myself up & moving on. I cannot allow him back in my life. Nothing but lies & manipulation. I'm getting your book because I am codependent. But I'll survive. Nights are Lonely, but I will recover & cope in the best manner & protect & teach my children better. Thanks

[@happycherylc]

I had a counselor tell me he was happy cheating, deceiving, spending money we didn't have, putting us in financial ruin. he was happy and I'm the one not happy so therefore I'm the problem. he's fine because he's happy. I need help.

[@pmf026]

I guess my mother is happy doing exactly that for the past 4 years... ((((((((

[@kognitivescientist]

NPD tend to target BPD and have plenty of emotion gratification out of them. And this is also quite a magnetic thing (even if not to mention how that short-lived mutual idealization feels). Only this shows they are not quite the same in functioning about love-respect-care ratio. That is why I see a theoretic issue in putting both at the same pole scored +5 (only receiving and not giving love-respect-care). So not only codependent are magnetic for all of them, but they are magnetic for each other also (excluding pure NPD+NPD, but even this is questioned by Sam Vaknin in the book where he says that if there are one Somatic and one Cerebral, they can stand each other long time). The more realistic scale is made by HG Tudor where empaths are put on the left side, narcissistic traits increase towards the right side with NDP in the end; codependents are one of the empathic types, and not every empath is codependent; BPD there are put closer to NPD - they are still highly empathetic but have also some narcissistic traits. If not to take NPD-BPD comorbidity (1/3 of BPD in statistics mentioned here in comments).

[@gabbyeliza9442]

You shed light on the topic and I'm excited to have found your channel and I thank you. You speak on narcissism as if you were sitting right next to me watching my life go by and take the words right out of my mouth. now, the borderline personality disorder crowd on the other hand is a tough crowd I see but I'm sure you knew that was going to happen :p you get a rise out of them which only confirms you're on the right track, hopefully one will see it as it is when you say it and try to get help for it rather than continue to make excuses and live in denial they only hurt themselves in the end after they've hurt so many around them in their path. I appreciate you and what you're doing. Thanks again and keep up the good work! :)

[@mr.crazycody3201]

Why Lying Occurs in BPD There are a few potential reasons as to why lying may occur in people with BPD. Intense Emotions People with BPD feel incredibly intense emotions. These feelings can be so intense that they cloud the individual's thinking, making them view things through an emotional lens that may be different from how other people see it. They look for details that confirm what they feel and ignore facts that will contradict them, and this can be incredibly frustrating for friends and family members. It's important to understand that the person with BPD isn't consciously lying-he truly believes his viewpoint is correct even when it's blatantly false. Impulsivity BPD is also associated with impulsivity, the tendency to do things without thinking about the consequences-so some instances of lying may be the result of a person with BPD just not thinking before giving a response. Shame In addition, people with BPD often experience deep and entrenched shame, so lying may be one way to conceal mistakes or weaknesses that increase shameful feelings. People with BPD are often also very sensitive to rejection, so one function of lying could be to “cover up” mistakes so that others will not reject them.

[@marymarston3796]

Emotional manipulator is politically correct terminology, but is think Emotional Vampire captures their essence perfectly :)

[@tamara791228]

I'm have BPD , and I lack empathy

[@mr.crazycody3201]

I'm one of the few who discovered and admitted by myself to having BPD in a search to find out what I was and before I did the everything I did is everybody else's fault but I had such negative consequences upon my life when I had nobody left and was completely alone and going to jail lost my kid lost my parents was all alone and broken had no friends nothing but I finally started to realize it has to be more than just them what's causing this it has to be me too so I started to look into all this myself cuz I was only diagnosis being bipolar but there's more than that I found this and I do all these things and still doing them and It sucks but I don't want to be this way I want to change you're right I am wrong sucks it sucks because one second I can be in denial and angry and lack empathy in the next second i completely see I'm sick and twisted and feel guilty shame and like a monster for how Ive hurt people how I'm so alone have empathy and remorse and just break down crying in agony and go back and forth it's so fucked up

[@wendi2819]

He was married to a BPD who apparently did a number on him. Elsewhere on the internet many reputable psychiatrists, psychologists and BPDs report healing and growing and learning skills. Many psychiatrists actually say BPDs age out of dysregulation just from the maturity process of aging.

[@heidiaguilar1257]

Wow, spot on with this description.

[@squireman72]

My crazy ex was diagnosed Histrionic PD,which has now been lumped into NPD in DSM V. Borderline Narcissist would fit the bill. Towards the end of the relationship, I would sing "Little Miss can't be wrong" to her when she started in with the shit tests and abusive behavior. But that song perfectly describes the pathology. As you can imagine it was not well received. ;-)

[@squireman72]

Wow, you are either misinformed or fem-apologist and/or BP-apologist. The core trait of a HCPD BPD/NPD is violence and rage - either turned inward or outward. Yes, all were either abused, abandoned (my ex) or neglected as children. It doesn't excuse them from hurting others, which they do with frightening regularity. Most male partners with BPD women are more co-dependent than narcissistic. The match made in hell.

[@squireman72]

Check out the work of Erin Pizzey if you want examples of emotionally manipulative BP women. She worked in women's shelters for over 30 years and learned first hand that women often were the "family terrorists" who covertly emotionally and physically abused their husbands and children.

[@object764]

Pamela Lyons You are 'Gas Lighting' us, Personality Disorders are a cluster of dangerous pathological traits. BPD has 'rage' as a central trait. Jodi Arias was diagnosed with BPD, Oscar Pistorius etc etc. Do a search. 'Was your "so called ex" abused as a child, did she suffer from a traumatic experience in her life, like physical abuse, molested as a child, or ever raped!? I bet she was... People with BPD are not emotional manipulaters!!' This just expresses perfectly the Pity Me emotional manipulation of BPD. 'It is the other person fault' Of course it is, this allows you to act in any abusive way you want and feel ok about it. Get some therapy.

[@susanv3407]

Pamela Lyons I can judge whoever I want. You are speaking (out of your ass) on a public forum. But I'm not judging you, nor did I say you have NPD. You are clearly not charming enough to have NPD. Read more carefully next time, psycho, and quit being so defensive if you're so together and such an awesome person. You ARE NOT nice and YOU ARE ABUSIVE. You are abusing people in every single comment on this thread, and making our points for us. I won't waste any more time commenting to your sick, miserable comments. YOU identify yourself as a borderline. Years of psychological reasearch judges that BPDs are sick, dangerous and difficult to treat. Not a judgement - a FACT if you are BPD, and YOU said you are BPD. So enjoy your miserable life psycho, but go yell at someone else. I already have a BPD to unleash her misplaced rage on me, thanks anyway.

[@object764]

Pamela Lyons "I AM A REALLY NICE PERSON ONCE YOU GET TO KNOW ME, BUT IF YOU CROSS ME...WATCH OUT!!! LOL" I thought you were in lots of long term terribly abusive relationships? or were they tactical pity lies? You rage, emotional lability, lying, blaming, shaming, pity party, self deception, lack of any self reflection and downright enjoyment of trying to mess with peoples emotions on this post is a classic display of BPD manipulation tactics. I seriously wonder if you were abused by your father or indeed were diagnosed correctly.....Paranoid ASP female more likely. Also, Try not to use 'LOL' in a sentence. You can explain emotions through the actual sentence construction and content. Also look up 'irony' with regard to 'I'm a really nice..... etc'. IMO, I pity your "friends" YOLO! "Friends" a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations. This takes 'empathy'. "Empathy" Empathy is the capacity to understand what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, ie, the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes. It is the way we develop compassion and a moral compass. It is the only way we can experience Love, otherwise it is just desire/infatuation for an object based entirely on our own needs. Good luck with all that.

[@jazlandry7575]

Thank you Ross I learn so much from your videos it's absolutely insiteful

[@MJ-om5go]

My ex has NPD. Terrible 3 years.

[@karenhoward2342]

you said emotional personality are difficult to work with I have bdp. unstable . I want to know please how I can begin to stop my anger I love hate. I'm aware just unable to know what to do. I often od . I feel empty.

[@withrowchelsinormanfzwicke4615]

This stigma kills

[@susannec659]

happy new Year Ross

[@mr.crazycody3201]

I have to apologize for leaving comments about you being wrong and saying what I said now that I watch this and go over some of your videos I agree with u almost completely with a few things I don't but you're right a BPD is an emotional manipulator or pathelogical narcissist we don't even know we do it it's subconscious and when made tothink we do or called out we lash back I do it still bit knowing all right now about BPD and other mental illnesses especially from cluster B I'm able to understand it more even though I'm still f****** doing it still splitting and seeing things in or nothing then lashing out

[@Minneolaos]

Almost all addicts have pathological narcissism (depressed and PTSD patients do not). Intravenous drug users are often psychopathic, but IT IS exactly narcissistic behavior. Authors in The sense of writing books are also narcissistic. Artists often have addiction problems and are narcissistic.

[@anonymerbenutzer5574]

All the "borderline rage" in these comments..

[@sgtmuffinbadger6147]

I see it hahaha

[@triciagarea9576]

Why did this video stop now?

[@artifactis]

Sorry Dr I know very well I'm not well I may be all the above emotional manipulations possibly cerebral and difficult I just don't have the right tools to change I want to change very much.

[@koponchan7089]

Dear Mr.Rosenberg, What is pathological narcissist? Is it same as DSM-5 define as cluster B? best regards, P.S. Do u upload continuation of this video?

[@RossRosenberg]

Pathological narcissists are explained in detail in my book or my 6 hour seminar, Codependents and Pathological Narcissists: Understanding the Attraction. This video clip is a short excerpt from that training. Both can be purchased from: advancedclinicaltrainers.com/product-category/shop/ I hope this helps. Ross Rosenberg

[@koponchan7089]

Ross Rosenberg Thank u. So basically it's not on DSM-5 and is it a word coined by u, sir?

[@RossRosenberg]

Koponchan Basically, yes. My book explains this further

[@TheIkranRider]

The problem is that my personal narcissist Fanfictiondreamer doesn't see any consequence for her actions no matter what. Like just recently on Reddit she claims that my problem with her is just incompletion and inconsistency with her stories. But it's not just that! She tries to play all innocent and blame me on her problems for siding with one of my toxic bullies as well as being a chronic backstabber, dysfunctional and perhaps psychotic. On top of that she has Asperger's so she tends to outmaneuver her opponents and to have dominance, cuz I pointed her out. Ever since Caitlin joined Reddit and it and Mass Effect consumed her life, that was how I got to know the true sidet of her and what narcissism is! I'm just warning you all. And those that associate with her I blame them too! Also she's a Biden extremist.

[@adamrumer2736]

My ego is why I drink.

[@Renae12234]

I have bpd and I do lack empathy of others but I'm in therapy I know I have a problem so you can't say because of one who has the illness and label everyone in that category js

[@annforan258]

I hope you're bot inferring that individuals with BPD are emotional manipulators.

[@sgtmuffinbadger6147]

They are

[@verdevalley1966]

does bipolar enter into this?

[@kognitivescientist]

nope - bipolars are not included in Rosenberg's "manipulative" pole in his book. Borderlines do.

[@slappybigalow436]

this NPD guy in his shortcommings

[@jessyce]

True

[@puppy6646]

You make them all seem so bad.

[@NarcissistFreealmost]

They are.

[@KCGrant-wj4ts]

Luna Prey You obviously have not been on the receiving end. Could you live in a world where NOTHING IS REAL? And be with a person with ZERO conscious-ZERO

[@brioche8123]

Try having one as a spouse or parent, you'll lose all sense of pity for them. Some days you'll feel so bad for them because they don't know what they're missing out on, but then the torture will begin again and your sorrow for them will evaporate.

[@D1987Gd]

Because they are......you have obviously never had to suffer one of these mentally ill people. .....you will never know what these monsters are until you have suffered one of these people for years...

[@angeladenzer7781]

I'm actually glad to read your comment as this most likely means that you have fortunately been blessed as to not experiencing the wrath of a true narcissist