I got Raiden on her most recent banner and she helped me 36* abyss for the first ever time. People say she’s fallen off but for me she has made my account the strongest it’s ever been. Easy top ten for me.
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
although i think top 10 is a bit of an exaggeration, I can see why someone might argue raiden could be slightly higher, just a matter of preference and opinion :D
@VeeTuTonic2 ай бұрын
@ oh yeah, it’s a ‘my top ten’ thing for sure 👍
@John_II2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Raiden is still amazing. Raiden National has been a staple of my Abyss teams since I built it like one year ago. Now building a Raiden overload team. I get it, she's not literally the best DPS - that's Arlecchino and Neuvillette... and I think Mualani is going to creep up with Mavuika coming out, and Clorinde is on the numbers alone a better DPS, but that doesn't mean Raiden isn't still great.
@diyonrajeev12812 ай бұрын
People will say that Zhongli is just a shield and the same people will struggle after removing him from their team. then they will realize how big of a deal he actually is.
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
Agreed! People underrate just how useful his shield is whether it just be not having to dodge, not getting interrupted or the shred it also provides - just a great unit (totally not biased since hes my fave char xd)
@BuBu-t6rАй бұрын
Lyney can be play in so many teams nowadays. Vape, overload, buring, double geo. He deserves a spot in the top20 around 16-20 i would say If you value Hutao more because of comfortability I can understand but for someone who values their dmg potential I would put him above hutao. Anyway I think he deserves at least a mention in Hmm spot since it is a fact that he is better than all dps in that spot (and some dps in the above tier)
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
@@BuBu-t6r I think it’s fair to place lyney where I placed hu tao, kinda as you say it’s a debate of comfortability vs dmg potential and it entirely depends upon your perspective. I’d say that hu tao is probs better in the hands of the average player, whilst lyney is better in the hands of a more knowledgeable player. Like I said I don’t think either is wrong, video just reflects my own personal thoughts c: as for the HM spot, ayaka and wrio are just HMs and they’re in there since there would be no other cryo in the list, I wouldn’t focus too much on HMs since they’re just mentions rather than an extension of the list and you can make an argument for about 20 chars to be HMs.
@BuBu-t6rАй бұрын
@@SamiverseYTWelI, just thought that he at least deserves a mention no? Cuz this is top20 unit not exactly ranked because some elements are not there. There are alot of misunderstandings surrounding Lyney cuz not many ppl own him and most guide didnt update either. Back in 4.0 I think they r pretty similar in terms of power lvl but with the arrival of new support and subdps. Lyney just gain more value through them than hutao does.
@ACatThatCantSing2 ай бұрын
Lyney not being here is slightly aggravating as a bow lover but yeah..... I can't really argue with any of the placings except for raiden- she's immeasurably comfortable and great especially for low ar players who can't get enough energy recharge on their supports. She carried me so much with a Chevy overload team and I love her. Otherwise great list 👍
@nahidwin-i1z2 ай бұрын
i hate using bows but lyney is easily a top tier dps and should be on this list tbh
@Hazedlol552 ай бұрын
Lyney is hard to play and you can get the same damage using Arlecchino..
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
lyney is a great character! perhaps worthy of a HM although idt i'd put him above hu tao tbh whos in 18th so lyney wouldn't make my personal list, although i can see why someone might swap him and hu tao around - its just personal preferrence tbh! same how i can see why someone would put raiden slightly higher even tho i wouldn't, my placements are just my opinion :))
@Munchkindavey2 ай бұрын
no lyney when he has teams that do more dmg then over half the dpses on the list
@Munchkindavey2 ай бұрын
also xq is nowhere near yelan, he's not even above fischl
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
i personally wouldnt put lyney above hu tao who is the pyro DPS he competes with most (since arle arguably a fair bit better than both), but i think its a matter of preference. if u prefer lyney to hu tao, then he belongs on the list and if u dont, then he doesnt make it. I am curious where exactly you would rank lyney and what DPS you would put him above, I would love to hear since theres been a lot of people arguing for lyney to be on the list also i think saying xq is nowhere near yelan isnt taking into consideration all his utility and the fact he might be one of the best enablers in the entire game with even faster hydro app than yelan on top of the greater interruption res, reduced damage, etc.
@MunchkindaveyАй бұрын
@@SamiverseYT lyney I would place right next to navia, he's slightly inconsistent but when you get a good clear on him it's going to be considerably faster then any dps you have between those spots, and he's one of the characters that even if you have a suboptimal build for, he'll likely still clear. About xq being nowhere near yelan, it is an exaggeration although somewhat true, xq is great, but he suffers from 2 major things which are 1. Not benefiting from hydro resonance, which has hurt him considerably since furinas release. 2. His cooldowns not matching up with many dpses, yes he has more application for alhaithm hyperbloom, yes he has defensive utility, but that doesn't matter when you have 5 seconds on your xq burst when your starting your next rotation, it becomes a big issue.
@MunchkindaveyАй бұрын
@@SamiverseYT also, I think it's somewhat crazy you didn't even give chevreuse an honorable mention.
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
@@Munchkindavey I mean that’s a fair enough rating if you value him a fair bit I suppose, I mean these lists will always be a bit subjective and I wouldn’t lose my marbles if I saw a list with Lyney in said positions whilst chars like Hu Tao might miss out, I’d probs see it as a bit of a hot take but still justifiable and not some sort of insane take. Also idk I’ve never felt an issue with XQ’s lack of HP scaling since I always thought of his damage as a bit of a bonus and his application and utility being his main strength (more important for a char like yelan since she offers less utility) and I’ve never really had an issue with his CDs since I normally do my rotations in order of longest CD to shortest and by that time he’s normally already back up (e.g. in Hu Tao double hydro teams). Also as for why a char like chevreuse didn’t get an HM it’s just because I didn’t want to have too many since u can easily make an argument for probs at least 10-15 chars, but I just made the choice to highlight some specific units I personally felt like mentioning
@John_II2 ай бұрын
Very principled list. Hard to argue. "Power" in Genshin is always tough to define and you did a good job explaining it. Power depends on whole team output (unless we're talking about those solo Neuvillette runs in the Abyss... he might be a little OP) - who buffs, who shreds, who provides the reactions, and so on. Synergy matters. :)
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
true that, in a game thats team based it can be more difficult to make a top 20 of every character in the game hence why supports tend to be a bit higher - although yeah chars like neuvi are just a lil too busted to not put high 😅
@user-ot4ly9dp1cАй бұрын
I'm hoping you can get C6 Faruzan + a C0 Xianyun for Xiao someday. It really is a massive jump in performance. Basically no circle impact + it highly alleviates his single target issues. It's such a smooth, consistent, and comfy team that works in any content.
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
oh i hope so too, it seems so busted and like so much fun 😭
@theclownery83942 ай бұрын
I get mualani being way more inconsistent than most dps (especially neuvi) however she has by far the highest dmg potential in the whole game so she is top 10 for sure imo
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
tbf i didnt put her tooooo far off the top 10, she would've made it if i didnt take the decision to put some of the strongest 4*s in the top 10, but i just wanted to give some priority to some of the best enablers in the game that have been around for many years. i can defo see mualani go up in the future tho
@stribijev2 ай бұрын
Why are there people who say Neuvillette is not good any more? I literally got such comments from other people and I am not sure what they mean.
@crowned672 ай бұрын
Who tf said that lol. He's even got an upgrade with Xilonen.
@valscottage2 ай бұрын
well people are either lying or just don't know. Neuvillette is like the 5 star version of Xiangling. Every new character that releases just makes him stronger, and Xilonen did that for him. Get him this rerun if you haven't.
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
Well he is but imo he is not 1st now maybe 3rd or 2nd id you think he is better then maulani
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
@@valscottageno I will not get him I have arle and maulani
@sohambhogale77002 ай бұрын
@@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676 well mulani is just a nukd dps and she is way more inconsistent compared to neuvillete or Arlecchino. She is slightly better than neuvi in single target but the difference is not big enough to comprise the insane aot potential of neuvillete and insane versatility that neuvillete offers.
@despairpikachu80512 ай бұрын
I think venti should have been at least an honorable mention, his grouping is bar none when it works and he's also a good battery(tho nobody mentions that anymore). Also i kinda dont agree with neuvillette being top1 only because the other dps do comparable or even better numbers. Sure, it's more work but the high dmg output is rewarding for it. That being said yeah definitely better than the watchmojo🤣🤣
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
thats fair, venti is very satisfying when you can make him work! and i can see why someone wouldn't put neuvi as #1 but its just a matter of personal opinion tbh
@ВладиславОрешников-т2с2 ай бұрын
Venti doesn't worth any attention compared to kazuha and sucrose, don't be fooled by his useless grouping, that doesn't work in any anyss
@rafaeloliveira93532 ай бұрын
Lyney not being on the list and even wrio e memenilou getting metioned? you're at minimum delulu already. his playstyle may not be for everyone, but back in the day it wasn't stopping anyone from putting ganyu in the top of the lists, why is it such a big deal now? he's a great nuker, his damage is bigger than Hu tao and teams are more affordable also!
@ISMythix2 ай бұрын
Sorry bro it's not 2022 anymore Ganyu has fallen off BADLY lmao, and although wrio shouldn't be up here, nilou bloom is one of the best aoe teams in the game and is better than the avg hyperbloom
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
I mean wrio (and ayaka) only got an HM since they're the best cryo dps but there wasnt gonna be any cryo on the list, whilst nilou i would probs put above lyney. I agree that lyney is a great character and i dont even have a problem with his play style, but I wouldnt put him above Hu Tao who i put in 18th so lyney would not be a top 20 char for me. I would put him in the top 25 and he arguably deserved at least a mention in the vid so i can say my bad for that, but I would not put lyney in the top 20 despite the fact he's a great character (I mean there's over 60 characters in genshin, its not easy to cram a top 20 xP)
@Kouku04Ай бұрын
@@SamiverseYTIn 4.0 Hutao and Lyney might be close but comfortability asides. Nowaday Lyney is just better than hutao with the arrival of Furina and overload team
@Tnscla2 ай бұрын
Replace Ayaka with Cloud Retainer, Ayaka isnt worth it for a while now. Id also replace wrio with Childe and add Sucrose to the HM list too.
@Jason-jw5cu2 ай бұрын
100% agree wrio without c1 is a lot worse then c0 childe and also xiangling bennet and kazuha are extremly high on this list which would arguably speak even more for him. I love wrio and have him c2 with a good build so its an unbiased opinion
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
the cryo characters were just given a mention since there wasnt gonna be any cryo on the list, it was more of a pity mention than an honourable mention since there isn't much going on for cryo rn 😭😭
@needlenoggins2 ай бұрын
hope you feel better soon sami :o
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
tyyyy c:
@Eliot_Unknown2 ай бұрын
Supports always have higher value in the account compared to other DPS'S For me the top 5 would be: 1. Furina 2. Xilonen 3. Kazuha 4. Nahida 5. Neuvillette And so on and on ...
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
And 6 arle I Mean for me arle is higher then neuvi since I'm good at dodging but other then that I agree with the your tierlist
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
thats fair, it just depends on your perspective. either way the top 5 is the same so realistically it doesn't make much of a difference :PP
@Kouku04Ай бұрын
Xiao Hutao ayaka and Wrio in the list but no Lyney? Lyney is at the minimum equal to Hutao and if you can play him well he can outperform hutao with his vape and overload team. Obviously he is stronger than wrio and ayaka. As for xiao, its subjective aince xiao is better in aoe compared to lyney who is ST. But generally he is ranked higher
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
@@Kouku04 ayaka and wrio are just HMs and they’re in there since there would be no other cryo in the list, I wouldn’t focus too much on HMs since they’re just mentions rather than an extension of the list and you can make an argument for about 20 chars to be HMs. As for the lyney-hu tao debate, I’ve seen a lot of different sides and honestly I think arguing lyney > hu tao is perfectly valid. I myself tend to prefer hu tao since I think she can be a bit more consistent, and she’s also likely better for the average player. I do think that in the hands of a knowledgeable and skilled player, lyney can be better tho. So although I personally put hu tao in the list and omitted lyney, I wouldn’t fault anyone for replacing hu tao with him :)) As for the debate on xiao, I’d say since there’s actually very few aoe chars that him being top 2 minimum in that niche is quite valuable, whereas there’s an abundance of ST units (chasca, kinich, navia, hu tao) / units who’s performance doesn’t fall of in ST (neuvi, arle, Alhaitham, mualani) it kinda devalues being a strong ST unit. So I would still put Xiao above lyney
@Kouku04Ай бұрын
@@SamiverseYThmm, I think alhaitham, arle and neuvillete already de-value xiao alot since they also have the same aoe if not bigger and better with cheaper team. I would still put Lyney above xiao just because at least Lyney damage can be competitive with them in ST and few mobs scenario and his team doesnt have to be as premium as xiao.
@ISMythix2 ай бұрын
Ayaka and Wrio in HM over xianyun, yae, sucrose, lyney, baizhu, chevreuse is kinda questionable, i can kinda agree on the rest tho xingqiu is too high and so is neuv
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
honestly i just gave them a HM because there wasnt gonna be any cryo on the list and i wanted to give a mention to the top DPS of the element, although practically all the characters you mentioned could be worthy of a HM. however considering how theres so many characters in genshin u can make an argument for many of them to get at least a HM, so idt its something worth scrutinising too much
@victorbrandao6724Ай бұрын
I think navia is better then mualani, maybe when the pyro archon releases she ill move up to the top 10, but for now. I think she is way too high.
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
@@victorbrandao6724 that’s fair, I’d say rn they’re quite similar in terms of power level (maybe mualani slightly stronger on paper), but Navia feels better to play and a bit more consistent since mualani sometimes just decides to not work 😅(although could just be skill issue on my part who knows)
@shawnc14752 ай бұрын
Zhongli made me lose my ability to play the game correctly. Its like i don’t remember theres a dodge button 🤣
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
oh believe me thats very relatable, but at the same time thats the beauty of zhongli xD
@Hazedlol552 ай бұрын
Honestly mualani is SO bad, her ult always misses no matter where you are unless you are right next to the enemy and very close to it and it's so annoying because it's such a waste, and her skill is annoying to use
@ISMythix2 ай бұрын
I mean her skill requires u to run into someone 3 times then press ur skill again
@Hazedlol552 ай бұрын
@ISMythix and then it hits the wrong enemy OR the air
@ISMythix2 ай бұрын
@@Hazedlol55 ye tbh against high mobility enemies mualani is mad annoyin and it's one of the reasons I didn't get her, but when they aren't moving a ton it's ok
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
tbf i wouldnt call mualani "bad" because she is objectively very strong, however what I can agree with is her being very ANNOYING to play sometimes multiple abyss runs where ult missed or didnt vape or i couldnt get a third chomp because of one missing / enemies moving too much 😭 so yeah id still say mualani is a good character and when she works she is very fun, although she can be very annoying when things dont go ur way
@direwolfAD2 ай бұрын
I am beginner and have yelan and xilonen as 5 star and primordial jade spear as weapon so should I pull for nahida or go for nuvillete or arlecchino/mavuika, as i don't have any on field dps and have 60 wishes and guarneted and capturing radiance in line(lost 3 50/50in line) am at end of sumeru
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
I mean my #1 advice for new players is always to pull for the characters you like the most since genshin is easy enough that you can clear with most characters, and after you pull your fave characters you pull their best supports so u can build around them and clear content easier. However if u want my opinion, I'd recommend picking up a neuvi since he's just impossible to pass up and we know he's gonna be releasing in the second half of 5.2. Then you can try to get mavuika when she releases in 5.3 (bare in mind we dont know her kit, so we dont know if she might be a DPS or support, but more likely a support) but if u lose the 50/50 then dont worry since a regions archon will always rerun again in that same version so u wont have to wait too long (therefore u can probs get all 3 of neuvi, arle and mavuika in this version, maybe even more if u get lucky). If these are ur 3 fave chars then I'd recommend absolutely getting them, but also dont be scared to pick up some other chars you like too. Hope this helps :))
@thedreamers64282 ай бұрын
For me arlecchino is top tier dps
@nahidwin-i1z2 ай бұрын
dont worry she is
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
she is! i still have her as my #2 DPS, just because shes not right next to neuvillette doesnt mean i think shes bad. this is a top 20 list including DPS, sub DPS and supports where arle is in 6th, which is very much an SS tier placement
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
Im not gonna say for all players cuz all players skill are diffrent but for me the top 6 are : Furina Kazuha Xilonen Nahida Arlecchino Neuvillete I put arle higher then neuvi because im good at dodging but neuvi can be higher if your not the best at dodging remember no tier list is correct for everyone !
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
fair enough, i love both arle and neuvi equally sooo i got nothing to disagree with
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
@SamiverseYT 👍
@writerducky25892 ай бұрын
Can't really argue with this one. They all make perfect sense👍 (At least to me.) I'm looking forward to my Kinich's final build. Currently he's at lvl 79, weapon lvl 70, talents 2-6-6, and artefacts lvl 0. His skill crits for like 10k. And that was in the temporary Friendship team with Chevreuse, Navia and Sethos, so yk, "synergy? What's that, can you eat it?"😅 If that's him as a WIP I dread when he's complete😂 He's gonna give my Alhaitham a run for the money. At least in single target. Not so much in AoE. (Maybe my standards are low, but a character doing 10k with minimal effort, or even less than minimal effort, feels op to me🤣) Anyway, I enjoyed the video❤
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
Kinich is an absolute beast! Especially in single target so I'm also looking forward for your sake when your Kinich is built, I already know he won't disappoint!! Wishing I had him, but at least I can look forward to my chasca build soon (I've been pre farming for her for a while now xd)
@writerducky2589Ай бұрын
@@SamiverseYT At least he's not cryo so he has a chance of a rerun🤣🥲 I got him because I liked his design and going Tarzan around Teyvat was too much fun to pass up on😆 His combat is fun too once I got the hang of it.
Mualani imo is better than alhaithm but i get what you're coming from. Also I hate that she is in the 3rd tier but the people are better than her let's be real tho i feel like when mavuika comes out she will easily be better than arlecchino
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
I mean that’s fair enough, I can easily see why people rate mualani so highly. But I agree when mavuika releases she’ll become even more busted than she already is, easily neuvillette tier if not even higher (although that’s just my expectations, all comes down to archon kit)
@modxgames8396Ай бұрын
Who cares your rating lol
@NikocadosPopeyesChickenSandwicАй бұрын
y is alhaitham here? his best team does less dmg than a fischl variant…
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
imma be honest rn, i have no clue what ur smoking 😭
@NikocadosPopeyesChickenSandwicАй бұрын
it has higher team dps than alhaithams best team (kuki nahida furina alhaitham) just look it up alhaitham is pretty trash without kuki
@sandy125432 ай бұрын
My personal top 5 would be : 1. Neuvillete 2. Furina 3. Arlecchino 4. Nahida 5. Kazuha
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
fair enough, those are the units i normally end up using so i can see the argument for that! :))
@shironasama04452 ай бұрын
Neuvillette is not on the same tier as Furina Xilonen, Nahida or Kazuha. I’m sorry.
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
If you mean those are better yes if you mean he is better then durina kazuha or xilonen then no
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
i mean if theres one DPS thats gonna be on their tier, then its him (especially considering i needed 5 per row xd)
@shironasama04452 ай бұрын
@@kiamehrkhademizadeh2676 Yeah, I meant those four are easily higher than him.
@shironasama04452 ай бұрын
@@SamiverseYT I don’t think any DPS could have the same amount of utility and team support that those four do.
@kiamehrkhademizadeh26762 ай бұрын
@shironasama0445 oh then that's correct
@DoT_TDАй бұрын
Xiao players winning with this one xD That being said, bennet on 9 is criminal. Id say at rhis point in time (i cant belive im saying this, after having nahida on my top 1 powerlevel wise for the sumeru patch) bennet deseeves the top t more than nahida
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
xiao players deserve the world!! (defo not biased considering i own him as well as a xiao cosplay) as for the bennett placement, I'd defo agree with u more if this was genshin's early days but nowadays theres just so many DPS chars like neuvi, alhaitham, mualani who are some of the strongest but dont benefit from bennett at all (+circle impact can be annoying) so whilst he's defo still a top 10 unit in my eyes, i wouldnt place him in the top 5 when buffers like kazuha, xilonen, furiina exist and nahida is great in dendro teams and for any burn set ups like wrio melt or mualani vape
@DoT_TDАй бұрын
@SamiverseYT in the early game he was undisputed NR1. At this point he only works for 60-80% of the cast, but when he works, he is usually needed, his buffing capability is so high, that other buffers can't even come close to comparing
@SamiverseYTАй бұрын
@@DoT_TD i mean thats fair, he can at times and in certain team feel irreplacable and i can see why someone would put him higher - although for me the more universal buffers outshine him ever so slightly, again just my opinion tho and everyone entitled to their own :))
@esttaxatty2 ай бұрын
Hi sami
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
heyyyy
@esttaxatty2 ай бұрын
17secs
@SamiverseYT2 ай бұрын
replied to this vid before i could finish replying to ppl in the last vid 😭