Who Called This a Surron Killer? NEW Apollo RFN Dirt eBike

[@ElectricCycleRider]

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[@singletrackmind2630]

Yes, please mod it... but, as others have said, I'd like to see it done in steps and on a budget the average user could afford... THEN go nuts if you feel it and see how good it CAN be. I've been curious about this bike because the chassis looks like it be a serious contender.

[@shannonhudson4715]

Beta is now offering this bike with their spin on it and it looks Great! I went ahead and made a deposit on one at our local Beta dealer, they are supposed to show up in October! Stoked to see your first ride on that one!

[@johndepperschmidt8984]

So it looks like the Beta Explorer is based on this bike. The Hot swap, no jackshaft, adjustable peg positions all make it have great potential.

[@corykayhoe1033]

Idk if it's a surron killer or not but I sure do like it, it seems like everyone and their brother has a surron so for me Its cool to see other options coming available mod it ride it stock either way I think the content is awesome

[@themillera9]

I would love to see a budget mods build with this bike. I love that the platform seems to have a lot of things the other bikes don’t have stock (like the full size seat). So maybe suspension, bars, tires, and some small ergonomic mods and see if you can make it “good” while staying under $6k-$7k total? Something like that?

[@40mmmikemike]

That's not budget, that's getting Into real dirt bike price. These bike are only worth 2-3k max.

[@themillera9]

@@40mmmikemike it’s budget compared to the Surron build he did, which is somewhere near $14K as I recall. I think it would be compelling to have the same budget you would pay for a modern 250 four stroke play bike and try to get similar performance/utility out of one of these electric bikes. I would like to see the outcome of someone with some know-how trying to do that.

[@scotty2shotty]

I agree miller

[@ottokirk2325]

I think it would be informative to get a suspension revalve and spring mod. Can they work good enough, right

[@colefreakindavis]

Hey Tucker, I'm curious to hear how it compared to the Talaria Sting R you rode recently. Thanks!

[@Offthevoltz]

I absolutely want to see more of this bike. I feel like this bike is a much better attempt at competing with surron/talaria than the solar Ecrap.

[@TinyTitian]

The solar e clipse might be significantly worse off road, But unlike the sur ron it is stable on road at 40-60mph due to longer wheel base. RFN is better off road than the sur-ron, solar eclipse is better on road than a sur-ron.

[@Offthevoltz]

@@TinyTitian I’m pretty sure you haven’t ridden any of the bikes you mentioned.

[@TinyTitian]

@@Offthevoltz Weird assumption. Ridden solar eclipse aka Velimotor VMX08 and a sur ron.

[@seandean352]

Was waiting to see this one tested. The all black sticker version looks tough. That display is too street bike though. Love the form factor for what it is but the rocket mode bugged me when I first saw it because the original tester said it had the timer on it. I saw somewhere months ago the price was listed at approx. $6000 USD prior to reaching the states. I hope that changed because $4000 USD would be really good, but $6000...not so much.

[@bobeyes3284]

We have prices in my country that convert to $5.6k US. They have priced it exactly the same as a new Surron, so I would bet that's where they are aiming.

[@ljprep6250]

I think the Solar Eclipse would stomp RFN's sales at the same price of $6k.

[@joemicheal1314]

@ElectricCycleRider, I sold my x260 and just got my ultra bee, I decided to make the change after watching your first ride video, I could not be happier with my purchase!

[@pistonforge]

have to choose tonight between talaria sting r mx4 or ares rfn ...wich one you pick?

[@ottokirk2325]

That swingarm pivots at the drive sproket/motor shaft. This will mean that the chain tension is constant thru. the complete travel. It will also be lower noise and no extra parts to wear or slip. This design was on the BMW 450 off-road model that they canceled. Standard bikes stiffen up when into the travel, this creates more lift off of bumps, whoops and jumps. But it will absorb medium bumps without letting off the throttle, ie it won't kick up in the rear. Faster average speed is the result.

[@AS-dc8tb]

Is this mid-sized? Which Surron are you talking about (there are 3 models)? What "mods" are you suggesting in particular? What exactly feels "strange" about it? Is the suspension fully adjustable?...

[@Magic_Vince]

Is the controller (throttle modulation) good enough for holding a wheelie?

[@AmpedUpMoto]

The surron is a ride for bike peeps. This looks more for the moto cats. It does look cheap but 4 grand is the focus here. My question is, what does it look like after a hit. Going down in motocross can be heavy. Understanding this would be ridden a little lighter but what bends and what takes it. Nice work!

[@lancethrustworthy]

Yes. Modify, but put it on a closed loop first for baselines ETA, acceleration, stopping, etc.

[@danmyers4667]

Nice, I like the idea, seems like a new bar, new forks and shock should make it fun! Do you have any idea on weight? I love my Sting MX3 but it's edging on what I think is too heavy for the tight and technical trails I run it on. More power on my trails can be a liability at worst and unnecessary at best so I'm happy with what I have for now but if the RFN is light enough my Talaria is still stock so I could always upgrade to the RFN if there's a case for it.

[@Charles-Darwin]

Right at the beginning minutes he mentions the weight. I think he says 148lbs

[@brianhurford9838]

Yes, do some mods. My stock surron X now has an XX controller, Manitou Dorado forks, new pegs, 54t sproket, 18" rear wheel and fat knobby tire, and higher rise handle bars. With this new bike, it already seems to have a better controller than a stock X, better wheels, better seat (I also got a thicker Luna seat), and perhaps more running time. I can't wait to get my hands on one of those bikes!

[@carlhansen9512]

Does this bike come with a VIN number? Really like the looks and spec/weight, but inability to put at least a scooter tag on it is a deal killer for me.

[@ianhill20101]

The battery is setup for capacity if the cells where swapped to say molicel then the power would drastically be improved the stock controller can be reprogrammed to to handle 15kw so if say if the bars are swapped out its a winner.

[@luistek5744]

some reviewers comment about the different ridding position but I think is normal if you are comparing to another ebike. Probably for someone new to this the riding position feels okay? wondering as I am considering to buy this one as my first ebike

[@rixogtr]

Absolutely want to see it modded. It already looks a multitude times better than surron or Talaria, looks much more serious. Especially having already a 74V battery is a great plus. Do a range test, try that rocket mode properly, then hrow some shocks, bars and wheels on it and test again, a nice comparison in one video. I'm already loving it. Well appart from that round screen, that's a bit off.

[@mikem9953]

This is more what I’m looking for, full size pit bike that won’t piss of my nieghbors on my pit bike track, and maybe some shorter woods rides? But ‘Apollo’ just kills me man. I love the Husky E5 just wish it was the size on an 85.

[@GoldCustomBuilds]

on the one hand id love to see a long term review and an upgrade video.... im really interested in this bike, but i just got myself a project kuberg freerider, but maybe in the futurte for some track sessions, this thing is really a bike to consider. but 6k is quiet a lot of money if you wanna modify it....

[@ljprep6250]

That gear train noise is much quieter than the other vid I saw, which relieves me. I'll wait for the black model of RFN ($4,400+s/h) and compare it to the Solar Eclipse (@$5995.99 free ship) I'm leaning toward the 8kW Eclipse, though. Is the RFN streetable? Cost to mod? How is the suspension on the RFN? I'm 5'10" and 232lbs, which would be tight on a Surron and easy on the Eclipse. Get a black one and stealth mod it, ECR. Oh, what's the top speed?

[@graysonflores9091]

do a review on the RumbleMotorsports Apex

[@raymellin9658]

I like the looks of it and the fact that comes with a 74 volt battery I would like to see it modified with a reasonable budget

[@jkmarshall3553]

Thanks for the video! I've ridden those same trails and know that in some areas that "sugar sand" can be a beeatch. How did that wheel/tire setup do in those conditions? To be honest, the tires on that Apollo looked a bit thin, but maybe it was just a video illusion?

[@mikethomas7860]

I know this bike was a collaboration with Beta, but do you know if there are any differences between this and the Beta Explorer?

[@retrothruster2539]

Looks okay, I'm happy with the Talaria R so I say mod it, just to see where it goes.

[@michaelanderson3771]

Tucker. First impression suggest you are a Surron Fan Boy - but getting past your initial reactions - how does it really go and compare,?? I understand it to be bigger than the Surron Ultra bee- and will it cope with the larger framed rider - > 5'11" (180 cm) >220 lbs (+ 100 kg) How does it compare to the storm bee??

[@SaltCreep45]

Lot of Bike for 4k @74 volts wondering if the same performance of the UltraBee

[@seandean352]

I don't think it's going to be on par with the UltraBee because the rocket mode is only for around 12 seconds.

[@carlhansen9512]

50 pounds lighter than the Ultra Bee carries a lot of value for me.

[@ottokirk2325]

It would be outstanding if you could observe the swingarm torsional strength. It is quite long and is flat cast as apposed to round or rectangular tubing. The SR has a lot of twisting under turning with power applied.

[@tylerwilson4651]

Yes! Mod it!!! 74 v out of the boys is pretty cool

[@srrtbb]

Do both of testing stock for reliability and moded for build potential. Then please compare rfn/beta vs surron ultra in drag race/top speed/range. Keep up the good work!!! Thanks!!!!

[@bobeyes3284]

We have prices here in the UK of £4.5k - Makes it exactly the same price as a new Surron. Thanks for the review.

[@vickysun596]

I have much bettery price😁

[@amac868]

hows the back end? swingarm?

[@tamworthtamworth8220]

Is this the rfn rally pro?

[@srrtbb]

Yes please do a deep dive review this vs surron ultra! Thanks.

[@jayppop3333]

I like Apollo but they always fall apart on me a lot of re drilling and tapping but i havent tried this one

[@FarmerFpv]

Change that front fender and it would be one of the nicest-looking eBikes. Looks sick AF! The front fender looks like an angry bird.😂😂

[@ashleyzou3603]

We should test the bikes again with our newest bike, the sample is old version already😊

[@chadpescod-realtor3308]

Are you a team rider?

[@travish9378]

The battery specs make it seem sus as far as how short the 150A "rocket mode" is. I wonder if the BMS, motor, or the controller is the limiting factor here, and I feel like those LG 21700 cells should be capable of much more. I actually went for a 72v/ 150A ebike kit with the same forks and shocks for a supermoto build/ "surron killer". Hoping it rides good enough for some trail riding as well

[@robertrav]

I think just like a race car best thing you can change to make it fell better is breaks and tires. So my questions is why you decided to do off road review with out using the tires that come on rally version? Again looks like you are in Florida I haven't ridden in there.

[@markcoleman2960]

Looks alot like Croom. Well you just said that. Miss that good Ole Croom whoop arm pump.

[@MotoAlias]

Why on your webiste is the mx3 woth fasyace forks more money than the new talaria R

[@1stMOD]

Hello. ^ Maybe you know how to remove the maximum speed limit and make it so that there are no turtle, normal and rocket modes...now it goes a maximum of 60 km / h in normal mode and 70 km / h in rocket mode. For example, on Sur-Ron light bee x, the engine is weaker and the maximum speed is higher. Here the power allows, but somehow limited. I do not want to lag behind Sur-Ron at least ^

[@Burlehmangus]

What is with people acting like 4K USD for these type of bikes is a good, fair price point. The cost of the R&D for creating these bikes, and then the actual parts and labor cost for manufacturing then is pitiful. Basically build a shitty to mediocre platform, and slap a shitty recycled lithium ion pack of 60 rebuilt 18650 cells in it, (all probably totaling 400-500 bucks, and then slap them on the market for 4000 and act like it’s a bargain because they’re so “high tech and feature laden”. It’s robbery and fools just gobble it right up

[@EBIKEScott]

lol the battery is 21700 cells maybe do some research

[@VoltedAdventures]

Def nice to have that frame and full moto seat and fairing but still not better than a Sur Ron, cool bike tho 🤙🏼

[@VoltedAdventures]

💯

[@austinogg]

Any casual dirt bike riders out there that like pedals over pegs??? I like my stance on my Ebike with pedals over my YZ250 pegs Not for crazy jumps but im a cuz'r so I like how my left foot is forward with right back like a wakeboard/snowboard

[@michaelanderson3771]

Love to see you fully review before you mod it.

[@ianmangham4570]

Amazing moon machine jump bike 😮

[@monstermotox942]

Where are these trails?

[@mattgunning7982]

Looks great would love to see it fully modified 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@HANUMAN7454]

It looks great body wise.

[@brerrabbit4265]

Is it street legal like the Sur Ron?

[@redlinegw]

Any updates on this sucker?

[@krashnpa]

Let's see what she can do! 👍

[@emikearizona]

Good review

[@catmanflorida2839]

WOW, this looks very attractive. Can you do something about keeping it in "Rocket mode" and see how it performs in that for an hour straight. ? thanks very much.

[@sAINT898]

Mod! Also you guys need to get your hands on a TIME ET electric bike!

[@AhSonnyBoikf]

yes mod it and lets see what it can handle and how fast or far it can take the beating.

[@jeffmcclain]

I just went ahead and pulled the trigger on one of these bikes. Initial impression? Underwhelmed. :( I'm 6' tall and about 230lbs, so bigger guy, and I knew these were small-ish, but the ground clearance is better than SurRon or Talaria and I got 2" risers for the bars right from the start. I ride mountain bikes quite a lot and I've ridden dirt bikes for decades, so I knew this wasn't going to be as nice as my KTM 525EXC, but I was expecting more from the motor based on all the wheelie riding and dirt peeling I've seen on YT. Even in turbo, I was not as impressed as I thought I would be. And the bike overall, is child-like (think < CRF-230) and small geometry. This really needs a 21" front tire. Overall, the build and materials is quite good and I think it is better than a Sur-Ron or Talaria. I really want to go ride an Ultra Bee now or KTM Freeride...(gawd, I really want to try Stark Varg). Also, I tried about 20 different BMS apps on the iPhone store, and none seemed to be able to connect to the battery, though I do believe it has Bluetooth, because at least one app saw something on the network that looked vaguely like the battery serial number, but it could not negotiate any info. I'll keep trying. I still don't believe it is even REMOTELY possible for them to be getting the peak 12KW out of this even for 9 seconds in rocket mode, given what I've seen of the LG cells they are using. I'm going to crack open the case and get an actual answer (I believe it is 20S7P on LG M50LT 5000mAh 21700 cells, but those really are not rated for more than 7A continuous, which places it quite a bit below the 85A pack total rabbit mode should draw (by over 50%). I'm pretty sure that is just the BMS limit and not the continuous rating ability. That puts this a LOT closer to a 4kW continuous bike... Also, there is no 12V harness to plug into for LED lights and the foot pegs are NOT standard MX pegs, so I'm going to have to find something else.

[@stephenwood4806]

Mod it! The aftermarket is helping drive the overall market....

[@crashymoto]

Heck yeah. Mod it!

[@miamigang305]

It looks cool and yes mod it😈😂

[@GeorgeA-j9k]

Definitely mod it!

[@OneTwo-wt8qv]

budget build .. work on setup ... get as much awkward out ... I like the style and price and the 74 volts... "throwing alot of money" probably not the majority of end user ... I would spend another 1000 over a couple of years .. Riser bars, grips and tires would be first for me, then spring rates and then electronics

[@SkiBikeSteve]

Mod it! Mod it! Mod it!

[@MotoAlias]

I doubt theirs very many if any aftermarket parts available for this so it would be alot of trial and error as in what will worn or won't work without needing fabrication. If you want a bike to kod it makes more sense to buy a surron or talaria lots of stuff to buy for them and they're cheaper starting price. Doesn't make sense spending more money for a bike your gonna completely mod out anyways

[@SkiBikeSteve]

I really like the Kuberg Ranger. I think with some mods it could be a beast!

[@MotoAlias]

@@SkiBikeSteve I think you can choose different power levels when you order it... but as far as I know theirs prob not much in the way for aftermarket parts for kubergs. Their kind of pricey i don't think they sell really well like surron does for instance.

[@SkiBikeSteve]

It’s almost impossible to get one in the states as well. I like the freedom the seat arrangement allows the rider. Also you mount the bike similarly to how you would a Skibike.

[@MotoAlias]

@@SkiBikeSteve ya I personally don't care for the seat or the feat spot. I prefer the kuberg freerider as far as kubergs go. I ended up buying a talaria it was a much better purchase I think.

[@YiingFei]

do you sell bikes?

[@bikerboybrent]

price?

[@rwarpig6687]

He stated in video that depending on the US distributor that it has an estimated $4k price.

[@theknifedude1881]

Yeah, I’ve got $8,000 in my SurRon and room to grow…UP$!

[@sludge86]

Mod it and do a shootout with a modded Surron and Talaria

[@EmxBrandon]

Not gonna lie id be pretty disappointed for apollo, who sells really cheap bikes, sells these for surron prices. Especially after you saying youd rather have a stock surron, mods are so dang expensive.

[@enrobsorussell]

Funny thing....how `people` are `trained` by the MSM to call silly names on anyone questioning the feasability of EV bikes or cars...."Hater!" Anyone questioning range, power, price, charging time etc, all valid points...."Just call them a `hater`, they will shut up!" The price is unrealistic. What`s the range!? How long to charge up? Now call me a `hater`.

[@dudlydoright11]

Would like to see it Modded

[@ottokirk2325]

At least bars and a light star cross set of soft tires

[@John-wv2gb]

I think this bike has been changed already for 2024. Slightly bigger battery 43 amps vs 35 amps and the boost has been extended to 60 seconds.

[@jadrankobukovac5580]

I want one please take my money , also l can see trial bike - remove seat and voila trial , l like this bike a lot

[@N_Andrews]

There are plenty of aftermarket products and mods available for the Surron. This bike, who knows. Path of least resistance.

[@elimaki4833]

Mod it. see if the frame bends.

[@laureljensen796]

300 under surron does not make much difference. But Get a sting r. spend an extra 500.

[@ottokirk2325]

No sweep on those bars, it seems😮

[@raymellin9658]

I think it needs to be modified it looks better than the surgeon and a 72 volt battery for sunroom is 3/4 of the price

[@raymellin9658]

Sorry talk to text lol

[@happygnomev2576]

3:55 are you implying that the surron is a 'quality' machine??🤣

[@MotoAlias]

At this price i think its kore fair to compare it to the ultra bee. And i think thebuktra bee is a far better bike.

[@eBoard3R]

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[@Pyro_Pet]

so to be clear this costs more than 200 dollars go watch surronsters video its more testing top speed and all

[@Thewatched1lol]

Mod please

[@knowyuhgrow420]

Wow

[@Canoneosmiami]

Could you get someone over 6”04’’ and over 300lbs to sit on it and show us how they fit on it ? It sounds like it’s one of those suron lines for kids and midgets …

[@ianmangham4570]

Definitely small, just needs modding ,seat/risers

[@joshpointoh]

Whoa, 6 grand?? Looks like a terrible deal at that price. How did they miss by 50%. 6k is a far cry from 4k.

[@michaelenglund]

Lost interest as soon as you said the ”rocket” mode shut off after a few seconds. Why do they do such crap with a 74 volt battery?

[@builditwithtech2621]

Mods yes

[@dashriprock2916]

Where are you going in such a hurry?

[@zero-ol2nt]

Problem is if you ride this in areas you would ride a surron you would be getting pulled over all the time. That is the only problem of it looking exactly like a dirt bike 🤷‍♂️

[@Tazdeviloo7]

Can't believe this was rebranded by Beta! Beta Explorer going to be popular

[@uldi1s]

I must be the only tall rider that likes low bars then...