Who Can Build The BEST Sleeper? (Automation | BeamNG Multiplayer)

[@echo9082]

You two should target a power to weight ratio when setting up these builds. I think a tighter criteria would help!

[@darealkosmo]

I agree! We've been discussing tightening up criteria and having more structured comparisons :) I think the next one we have planned will hit some of this criteria for sure!

[@Limitless154]

Top gear transit sleeper vibes

[@axelvandelft8982]

I agree maybe also same body only engine build and then test it

[@RmX.]

I wanna see a competition of a race cars Max 2 liters engine Min 1000kg car No quality

[@MrGatanasov]

@@darealkosmo Try building the most reliable I4 and make it a diesel.

[@UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx]

Mismo casually running like a 7.8 quarter mile in a full friggen cargo van

[@UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx]

(It autocorrect Kosmo to mismo :/)

[@sanoshawntalik5069]

@@UnreasonablyIrrelevant-gv8xx You can edit your comment.

[@Thatonefuckinguy]

bro made a hacker/robber van. 💀 "GO GO GO, THE FBI'S ON TO US MEN!"

[@kovy6447]

Pony from GTA3

[@TarisSinclair]

I'm sure Butch's 1800BHP engine variant would receive Clarkson's stamp of approval: "Speed And Power Solve Many Problems".

[@ghomerhust]

right in the mind of stuffing the jag xj220 engine in that transporter van. pretty epic!

[@NullCreativityMusic]

Put that engine in the sleeper van

[@alexc9434]

Pro tip: I think what you’re doing wrong in the beginning is your engine keeps blowing up. So to fix that you just need to make sure your engine doesn’t blow up.

[@darealkosmo]

you know...I think you're onto something here...

[@Parakeet709]

hire this man for nasa

[@steeljawX]

I've heard that there's no problem in the world that cannot be solved without the proper application of explosives.....So I don't see how this is a tip in any way shape or form. I'm not saying I know what problem is being solved, but it's solving some problem. 🤣

[@Linkbond]

That van is very much a sleeper. You hear it roll up and your like it's a base V8 and then the race starts and it's just GONE and the other person reacts like Butch did.

[@stevepittman3770]

Next idea: tractor pull? Make really beefy torquey vehicles then hook your rear bumpers together and see who can pull the other.

[@ghostsgarage2964]

Pulls are typically bad and don’t show actual power. It’s who ever has more traction in the beginning typically so if one person has no traction the pull is bad and can’t be counted

[@MechaNexus]

The fact you went with the shady white candy van made this whole thing even more hilarious. XD

[@justinpatterson5291]

4WD + Drag power = OP traction and take off control. You need to drop that thing in a Baja vehicle or something.

[@JanTonovski]

Looks like you made the "Ferd" supervan 😂. That acceleration all the way to 300kph was just mind blowing. Maybe a challenge for next time would be a certain cost limit. That way one could build a crappy 10 liter engine and the other a perfect 3 liter.

[@steeljawX]

You know, you put that "off-brand" version and all I can think of now is the meme. "ERH MEH GERD! ETS EH FERD MERSTENG!!!!!"🤣

[@jessealan1873]

I just wanted to throw out there how much I enjoy watching the engine building on your channel. I’m a mechanic irl and everytime I see the engine try to destroy itself I just have to laugh 😂

[@zeaaronkuehn4045]

I think he definitely succeeded at building a sleeper van I would just be afraid to go near it because kidnapping

[@Stork2204]

Automation Turbo engines prefer around 70-80% exhaust flow and the compressor can be more like 150%, it will drop a little power but will spool much sooner

[@ducewags]

@Stork2204 ProCharger's, blowers and super chargers have a question. What lag? Also no extra heat, it's a win win.

[@rickcupola6262]

@@ducewags Centrifugal superchargers... Make them run on 48V or 400V (if you're extra silly) like Garrett is developing recently and you'll be golden. There will still be more heat when forcing more air density in. More air mass = more fuel has to be burnt.

[@ducewags]

@@rickcupola6262 Atomized fuel is like AC to an engine, and the more you put in, the cooler the charged air is. You kinda missed that part in the air charge.

[@rickcupola6262]

@@ducewags I wasn't talking about the inlet air density increasing due to the latent heat of vaporization of fuel cooling the intake charge. I was talking about the overall heat output of the engine increasing due to the increased cylinder pressure. More chemical energy put in, more kinetic energy and heat energy put out. Apologies for the unclear wording.

[@ducewags]

@@rickcupola6262 Oh I don't know about the numbers you got. I run a Pro-Charger on my 7.3 oil burner, and a 14-71 on my drag car. Fun fact, you can grab my zoom tubes on my 570 after a 7 second run. 13 gallons of fuel is a ton of engine AC in any book.

[@Glocktopus42]

The goal was to build a sleeper, and of course Kosmo builds an actual sleeper van 😂😂😂 great video man!

[@eddiejackson1566]

Guy says "a motor that diesnt sound good all the time" then makes a V8

[@kelevra558]

Brother that turbo ramp was PERFECT when you said you didn't like it. Thats pretty much exactly what you want. A visible ramp in, then flat as possible through the end of the graph. Regarding torque anyway. Horsepower, you want the same kind of ramp in, then you want to set your rev limiter the second power starts falling off.

[@sativa1320]

"I want something that doesnt sound like much at idle" Chooses a v8, notorius for having a crazy and great idle sound lmao

[@dni9283]

imagine your kidnappers kidnaps you with a sleeper van lmao

[@alexanderliebscher3472]

Having the turbocharger come on around 4000+ RPM is not good in the slightest. You choke out all the power the engine makes low down, making the turbo effect jarring and sudden, causing wheelspin (in BeamNG). Try a turbo that comes on sooner, your engine will rarely run in its perfect powerband, especially when shifting a lot.

[@miguelgameiro8063]

I play automation regularly and I still can’t make tiny turbos running straight but he should be upped all quality sliders to help

[@wobblysauce]

Same thing in real life... to much power early and you bend rods, so you need some rpm to assist, 4k is a good spot.

[@fall-of-rome]

Dohc engines dont have pushrods :)

[@johndaniels1344]

@@fall-of-rome yea but they do have connecting rods lol

[@fall-of-rome]

@@johndaniels1344 I mean unless it's a liquid piston or a rotary engine etc, it's going to need connecting rods

[@danielllitpek2014]

An Inline 5 Turbo would've been great, Volvo had built a lot of sleepers in their time and their I5s are iconic

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Inline 5 is also easy to make sound as non-performant on idle.

[@SylveonSaber]

Fastest kidnapper van on the planet. rolls around the neighborhood sounding like the catalytic converter got stolen off that stock V8 work van luring in kids with candy and soon as the cops catch on you're 3 states over in 10 seconds flat. Definitely a proper sleeper build.

[@KARR]

Well they both looked the sleeper part!

[@Ninotipinoti]

'yes officer its stock' :P

[@officialViperr]

0:26 love how he just rips his bumper off

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

We need more automation multiplayer!

[@usshared1649]

Hello again

[@solidmoon8266]

The deal with a sleeper car isnt based on sound. Its about suping up the car while keeping the exterior as unmodified as possible. Since you kept everything under the hood and no altering exterior, its an easy pass

[@subjectc7505]

Definitely something you wouldn't expect to be fast until the driver floors it

[@mikejefferys]

That’s just asking for trouble 😂 5:16

[@Remmes]

Would love a build where you use a random number gen for certain things, if it doesn't work out you can roll again until it does work (but can't re-roll for a better number once working)

[@darealkosmo]

omg haha, great idea.

[@LarsVDS-VA]

In my eyes a sleeper is just what’s seen from the outside, i think it’s less about how it sounds, fast looking cars are expected to be fast, what you don’t expect is a van going 200mp/h in 5 seconds 😂 I’d say it’s considered a sleeper build.

[@lrander]

0-100 km/h in 1,833 seconds - not many cars can do that! Yeah, I counted frames... 🙂

[@asaphuntthemunk5243]

So 1.833 seconds in a 0-100 is insane

[@WoodenPlankGames]

Frankly, in terms of being a sleeper, having omega power at high revs is a good thing. However, putting slicks, much less soft compound (note: the highest grip) slicks on a sleeper is no bueno. Nobody puts racing slicks on their work van, they're not even street legal.

[@lordsrednuas]

Just casually breaking 300kph with a van :D

[@probablysomeonesomewhere]

smaller turbine = faster spool, but more heat

[@neino36]

As someone who worked in construction and had the honor of driving the company sleeper cargo van. I'd say your depiction isn't too far off what the real thing is. It was an old VW transporter with a tuned to hell engine (Sadly I don't remember it's dimensions or numbers.) that was hard to control, kicked like a horse and eventually, the engine did disassemble itself after many a wild ride. Nothing as ridiculous as 1600 HP but it was plenty powerful and even kept up with a 4 liter Audi in a drag race. One of my most fond memories.

[@SrFrancia0]

Just two dudes trynna have fun. I love it

[@atrumluminarium]

The van was an interesting choice 😂

[@timarc9895]

I enjoy watching you two build crazy stuff and competing against one another, cool video 🙂

[@Nathanielbowditch6811]

Very cool super van! Definitely not a sleeper with that sound lol Idk if it’s an option in automation but irl a thing you could do to fix the sound would be to tune the ECU to run less fuel at lower rpm’s and higher fuel ratios at higher rpm’s. Once again don’t know if that’s in automation tho 😅

[@derekspringer6448]

You run however much fuel the engine needs... Doing more just wastes gas and loses power.. Less just makes the engine unsafe if it doesn't immediately blow up, depending on how much fuel you're talking about taking out. Plus it doesn't change the sound in any meaningful way... Who told you this crap? Because I know for a fact you aren't wrenching on cars for real to have gained this "knowledge" yourself. You'd know better by the time you actually figured out how to change the engines fuel map.

[@flakey7832]

Turbos are not as hard as they seem. 4 graph is a must. Compressor size makes the bubble bigger and moves it up and to the right. Trim moves the bubble to the right and up (slightly). Boost moves the blue boost line up and to the right. Turbine size is just used to control how much flow (hp) you want your turbo to support (your engine to make), and to increase or decrease turbo lag/minimize surge and exhaust temperatures. Intercooler size does pretty much nothing at this stage, I think they're trying to fix the calculations.

[@flakey7832]

If your turbo is doing some crazy stuff just increase turbine size/compressor size or decrease boost. Then start again from a point where it is stable

[@JadedWolfBravo]

IDK how it's set up in BeamNG, but IRL, the "AWD on demand" systems we see are best known by Volkswagen AG's version, which is called "Haldex". These types of systems are mostly found in compact or entry-level performance cars like: 1. Audi S3 or VW Golf R 2. Mercedes CLA35 and CLA45 AMG (also includes Daimler's performance CUVs like GLA35, GLA45, and GLB35) 3. Mini Cooper Clubman S JCW and Countryman S JCW 4. BMW M235i Gran Coupe In basic context, these sorts of systems are 100% Front-wheel-drive until the front wheels lose grip, at which point the rear wheels kick in. The reason this is done is twofold: 1. Efficiency: fwd cars are more fuel efficient because the engine goes to a couple of CV joints and directly to the front wheels, instead of going through another set of diffs with a drive shaft. So if the car can be FWD "most of the time," it will be better on gas in general; with the haldex-type FWD system, it has AWD grip when under hard acceleration, with all the fuel savings of a FWD car. 2. POWAAHH: Along with the aforementioned efficiency, there are fewer components loading the engine with friction/weight, so less power is lost through the drivetrain, and more of it reaches the wheels. If the car is accelerating from a roll and outright traction is less important (than, say, in a drag race), a 300HP fwd car is most likely going to be faster than a 300HP AWD car. This comes in stark contrast with cars from, for example, Subaru. Subaru's cars are all "Symmetrical AWD," routing an almost 50/50 split of power front and back ALL THE TIME. We can compare the Subaru WRX STI with a VW Golf R in efficiency. - WRX STI gas mileage: 16 city and 22 highway, 18 combined - VW Golf R gas mileage: 20 city and 28 highway, 23 combined Both make roughly 300HP, and both use turbocharged four cylinder engines. Some of the fuel mileage loss can maybe be attributed to the Subaru using a 2.5 liter instead of 2.0, but most of it is to do with the full-time AWD. To add insult to injury, a stock Golf R would annihilate an STI in a highway roll race every time. But that doesn't mean full-time AWD systems don't have their own benefits too. When launched correctly, Symmetrical AWD is extremely potent in acceleration from a stop. Also, when it comes to offroad and all-weather capability, Symmetrical AWD is clearly superior. And that's Subaru's game, really. Their product is targeting a specific crowd, who often go offroad or drive in the snow. For that, it's an excellent system.

[@jamesmckenna2567]

“I’m happy with it. I still don’t know what I’m doing but I’m happy with it”😂😂😂

[@11secbug]

Second vid of yours I’ve came across. Love the content. Earned a sub :). I have automation and beamng love those two games.

[@darealkosmo]

@@11secbug Appreciate ya!

[@EchoAntunes]

18:47 omg😂😂😂😂😂😂what kind of monster did you cook up

[@CarsenLee-ud8fv]

Def a sleeper, Also love the videos keep up the great work!

[@darealkosmo]

thanks! :D

[@VampyrMygg]

Just a quick thing on the bypass valves, they're not manually operated, basically meant to be so that with normal driving you use the full exhaust, but once you go full throttle it bypasses the exhaust, at least that's how the developers of Automation have explained it, how it works in BeamNG is another thing.

[@darealkosmo]

ohhhh gotcha!! Thanks for explaining. I thought it was like one of those ghetto eBay exhaust valves that you operate with a key fob xD

[@Ang3lUki]

hahahaha the soft slicks on the van, I knew immediately you'll have flipping problems

[@Darkslide2AR-FE]

so basically you built a drag sleeper and he made a drift sleeper

[@hyper14102]

Here's an idea for a challenge: Weight to Power ratio. This makes things interesting since there's so many things you could do

[@jackmagnium6115]

the V12 you made in the last video is supposed to be a 90 degree V12 with old school distributor ignition and an LT1 1990 corvette style intake

[@MinaEntwine]

i'd argue a "sleeper" is something unassuming by every regard and yet could pull your average street racer like a lincoln mark with a V6 and just enough done under the hood to get it making like 400hp

[@jlarry1]

When you said you wanted something that sounds bad, I immediately thought sohc V6 😂

[@DKC1009]

I love the dodgeball quote at 22:30

[@MrMantis1990]

5:32 twin turbo... Big engine = big turbo = straight pipe after the turbo!!! Don't forget double 3" pipe!!!

[@ZhaojuEphastine]

Imagine you're showing off to this van and it rockets you into shame in 0.5 seconds x}

[@dayzer001]

Kosmo made the "hey I got candy" van and Butch made a 1970s wagon LOL

[@General_Madness]

If it revved a bit higher and didn't have a turbo, I would think you would be trying to make a nascar, as that's what it reminds me of for some reason. Edit: I change my mind it sounds exactly like ken block's gymkana hoonicorn, and it has similar specs actually! (KB: AWD, 1400hp, V8 twin turbo; Kosmonout: AWD, 1600hp, v8 twin turbo, and also both cars sound very murican.)

[@nanotide82]

8:18 cuz the turbo😊

[@theredstormer8078]

My general rule of thumb is always crank springs & lifters at first. Yours is a good sleeper, but his gets all the style points.

[@MassiveSquirrel42]

I think you should make cars under 200hp

[@ZebbePlayz]

To be honest i think that butch built a more realistic sleeper, but yours is cool too

[@Scraptech_1]

You should have added the words free candy on the side of the van

[@zloboslav_]

Everybody knows the best sleeper in BeamNG is "Mattress Sport" LMAO XD

[@NPC.MP4]

dude PLEASE actually publish this as a downloadable mod this would be so fun to troll with in beam mp

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

I clicked on this expecting a van that you can sleep in, for like camping or being a hippie. This is much better

[@bencemuller7919]

If you want a smooth drivetrain(=more grip), go with helical lsd and awd. The viscous are useless, the on-demand also. In the engine, an undersquare (long stroke) config gives you in general more torque in the lower rpm sections.

[@X101.x]

R.I.P. wheel 24:50

[@psyclopsable]

Wheelie drag challenge I enjoy with friends.

[@adamt195]

New to your channel but since you and Butch did a engine and car body swap video, and then this video was very one-sided. I would say, maybe a whole car swap challenge, or a build challenge with an engine swap. So like: maybe like an small engine challenge. Define max engine dimensions, so that the engines are swappable. You both make your own engine and car. And do some tests. And then you swap engines, but keep your own car body. And you dont get to touch the gearing or anything (or maybe the transmission swaps with the engine). Then you redo the tests.

[@scarleteye2]

basically you built the Jag XJ220 test mule (a ford transit in appearance). badass.

[@hyper14102]

5:07 Turbo's typically give boost at higher rpm's. If you want low-end boost you should take a supercharger. Also, is it possible to twincharge an engine in automation?

[@RickolasBigDickolas]

No superchargers in the current builds of automation but they are currently under way and should arrive within the next 10 years.

[@hyper14102]

@@RickolasBigDickolasWhy aren't superchargers there yet? I mean yes they are more complex than spooly boiz but still

[@Hi12190]

Bubbles got my crack up.

[@lilpumpofficial1048]

Lol an ad for candy played as soon as you took out the van before the race lol

[@cozycab]

This is a great video idea

[@Logan-ts4tf]

How to sell a game without selling a game. Learning as we go! Thanks Kosmo!

[@Logan-ts4tf]

Just learned today you can put turbos after the muffler. Lil info for the fans. Look it up, super interesting

[@SamuraiGamingMikejr]

dude made a van that looks like its giving out candie

[@voicelessgamer5298]

Dude doesn't even bother looking at the max HP limit for the parts he's using 😂

[@ajmayse7716]

It's a great sleeper lol I have 02 Chevy Silverado 6cyl with 600 HP

[@zerrierslizer1]

my guy, you built a NASCAR VAN!!

[@sijonda]

If you wanted to go sleeper, do a 4 or 3 cylinder. Everything else has torque.

[@robsorgdrager8477]

For the best sleeper builds in real life N20 is the king. Build a low comp engine with forged internals. Cam profile with good lift but not a bunch of separation or overlap. Cram like 200 hp worth of nitrous through it.

[@Tim_The_Dim]

You should do a build were you set a (low) price limit on the cars, automation should tell you the price in the summary section

[@romainsoupedrouet3374]

Insane video ! I love this concept!! I have a question, what's de plateforme on wich you are building chose engines, I would mike to try it !

[@JoMomma-pj3io]

Imagine that, a dude in a green family car going 150 km/h just steals your wheel

[@wulfleyn6498]

Van reminds me of the best racecar i ever made in auto, was a van with awd and a 10l v16. Kinda wanna experiment with hiding aero and other parts to make an ultimate sleeper van.

[@MrLarsgren]

maybe a pulling challenge. all about planting the power to the ground and not roast the tires

[@lunarz7117]

Make a Track Monster for nest race! Mid Engine Boxer!

[@veridico84]

Generally a van like that is a sleeper van, but usually because pf rohypnol being the sleep inducer.

[@darealkosmo]

💀💀

[@Oakleythomasson]

bro i always saw your trailmaker videos but i never knew you made BeamNG videos

[@damoncatlin734]

I play a hell fo a lot of automation and i am a mechanic irl and teh best way to make power is watching the flow graphs its on the right like the stress graph and running nitro on an n/a motor you can make dumb power ive gotten 1500+ out of an n/a 4.5 v6 with nitro and the power band is much smoother

[@thecommenternobodycaresabout]

I like building F1 style cars. So far, AWD is by far the best in, pretty much, every aspect. Cornering is a 7/10, on keyboard, but acceleration and handling, especially during acceleration and turning is 11/10. I cannot understand why there are no AWD F1 cars in real life. I have a video in BeamNG showcasing that.

[@whatdoIsayh3re]

I would have out some crazy vvl and vvt on it. that would give it a good low rpm sound and a crazy high rpm

[@whatdoIsayh3re]

also flatplane crank

[@onegoldendoor]

nice ETK 800 series at the start of the vid.

[@docternoblex]

The van reminds me of the Dodge vans with the big block hemis, absolutely bonkers vehicles

[@samvisser3986]

As someone who lives in Ontario, I didn’t even notice the license plate cause literally no one else wants to come here

[@austinkingan9073]

a sleeper is something that looks stock outside of the car but inside the engine compartment is totally different

[@plagueless9829]

Bro said he didn’t want it to sound good and chose a v8 😂

[@randomone649]

Make a city car, a small and compact car with a small compact engine for driving around the city

[@jusuraverageguy]

Being cool

[@brandonsmith7159]

The Millennium Falcon, you built the Millennium Falcon.

[@Cuddykite]

I am new here, and i am wondering what app you use to customize the cars and engines?

[@darealkosmo]

It's called Automation, check it out on Steam :)

[@Cuddykite]

@@darealkosmo thanks