Who Is ADAR?!? | Rings Of Episode 3 Reaction And Review | Amazon Prime Video

[@JameZayer]

Adar is a word, it's Sindarin for Father. Elendil being the father of Isildur, Nori's Father being injured and Adar being the Father of the Orcs in Southlands.

[@NerdyNightly]

Very cool, I would never have caught that!

[@RokujyuuyonShou]

I laughed my ass off at Clarus's reaction to "the sea is always right" xD

[@WhiteHarborCult]

Also love how Nerdy keeps trying to grin and bear it, but every answer is "I don't know." "I don't know." "I don't know."

[@tilltronje1623]

Better than him pretending to know stuff and lying like he did in past reactions

[@IAmThatBit--]

@@tilltronje1623 He does know the books very well, what his full reactions and in depth analysis.

[@rnkelly36]

I have to hold back on talking about LoTR and Tolkien's Legendarium because I not only like fantasy I also like good literary criticism. Tolkien has much criticism that people ignore because they love his work so much. Tolkien's was never a fantasy nerd like most of us are but used fantasy to have fun with his true passion philology. If you look at his notes and works you see how it developed from a philological perspective. Tolkien is also long winded about everything. His friends would bring this up from time to time. Would CS Lewis say he was boring? Probably to his face as a joke but he would tell him to condense his words. This was probably always a sticking point with the two friends. Personally I believe if Tolkien would have come back to life after the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales were published he would have some choice words with his son. None of this was ever in a place where he was happy. Galadriel has 4 or 5 different storylines and some contradict. You say she is unpleasant? Well not in the 3rd age but some of the legendarium paints her as ambitious, arrogant and very defiant. That is not how we picture elves in high fantasy but it was just something Tolkien was constantly working on up until he died. I like the show so far. I am glad that they did not have the rights to the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales because I personally do not think those stories should every be put to a canon. Tolkien was constantly changing them as he changed Hobbit and LoTR. People treat them like the bible but to me anything that Christopher touched is a bit suspect. If you really want to know Tolkien more people should look into his work with Beowulf and what he contributed to English literature and Welsh. Even though you can say The Hobbit and Lord of the RIng are by far the most amazing things he has done he always believed he wasted 20 years working on that and fell behind in his philology work. Some think Tolkien was dismayed at the cult status his fantasy work took with the public. I know with the wealth he generated he was rather regretful that he did not retire earlier in life. This is why I think people put more of their own fantasy and expectations of high fantasy on the back of Tolkien and that is not really what he wanted. Still I enjoy my Tolkien. I am just not as dogmatic as everyone I see.

[@elck3]

I find it hilarious that she spent hundreds of years scouring middle earth searching for Sauron, yet as you point out she didn’t check the south lands, and she didn’t once bother twisting the symbol (that was “branded” into her brother) sideways to see that it matched the section of the map she was looking at daily.

[@NerdyNightly]

And that the Numenoreans haven't let anyone in for hundreds of years, so when did that piece of paper arrive? I have so many questions

[@Surethien]

Not just that. Remember in episode 1 Galadriel said the Mark of Sauron was left for the Orcs to follow. So the Orcs (wellknown for their cartography, I guess) were supposed to figure out the mark equalled a map of the Southlands, but Galadriel didn't? And if it's the mark to point Sauron's followers to the place they were to gather as plan B.. why put that mark on the brother? It's all... not thought out with enough care :/

[@BlueSun_]

@@Surethien Grunk the Orc did not want to forget where he was supposed to go. He therefore kept marking corpses so he and his Orc friends had a constant reminder of the land with the curvie mountains where they would hang out and shill

[@Surethien]

@@BlueSun_ I may like Grunk the Literate better than Poppy :p

[@mihaisarbu5238]

I really like your discussion at the end of the episode and, after watching a lot of reviews where people were simply hating, you actually bring some very valid points. For me this show is a 7 so far and I watched many 3 or 4 shows just cause they were fantasy, so it doesn't really matter. On the other hand I know that other people might just drop it after episode 1 and that's a problem not only for Lord of the Rings but for Wheel of Time too

[@kevinraposo348]

I'm glad that they mentioned Anarion we don't know where he really is but that alleviates my concerns because he is the one who builds Minas Tirith that we see in the movies. And they do go to middle earth they have shit tons of colonies that's why they were able to found two kingdoms there Gondor in the south and Arnor in the north they just don't carry elves anymore. And most in Numenor hate the elves because they are jealous of their immortality it has nothing to do with Sauron later when he is captured by them and is imprisoned there, he manages to sweet talk the king into invading valinor to force the gods into giving them immortality, which then creates a cataclysm. And I think isildur is in his 40s here and dwarves live a little over 200 so like Numenoreans Gimli died at 262

[@mihaisarbu5238]

I agree everything you guys said about Galadriel. They somehow managed to create a character with less people skills than Nynaeve in book 1 :)

[@Darm0k]

That happy horse riding scene looked like something out of a BBC romance set in the 18th century.

[@chichonete]

You guys are definitely catching up fast! I definitely think that when something has so much potential and it's wasted it feels worse than it would if it was just bad.

[@Persephone_Personified]

Galadriel riding that horse hurt my soul. Her slow motion psycho face was literally terrifying. (it haunts my dreams)🦄 Halbrand sure liked that forge... He is a real good smither... Forging is his #1 🔥💍🔥 (Hey Galadriel...he is literally right in front of u)

[@nadinefeiler9204]

The problem with the visuals is they look stunning but because they are not done with love for the details they often feel unreal but you cant put your finger on it at once. A good example was when we had the perspective from the deck of the ship while sailing into the Harbor of Numenor. Even really big ships move a bit with the waves, But in that scene the ship moves absolutely plain forward. For me it felt somehow unreal without being able to explain why untill someone pointed it out to me

[@Odoital-ob7qs]

Maybe this helps, I explain Galadriel's behaviour to myself that she is a war veteran with major PTSD who has never left the war mentally. Her character arc is to become the queen, wise woman and sorceress of the third age. Whereas Elrond is a master diplomat as displayed in his actions with Durin and Disa, who will become the cool removed leader of Rivendell.

[@rickardmatsson7737]

The Warg looks like a chihuahua to me in the face/jaw etc, and how it growls and moves its tongue between its teeth.

[@MrReded69]

Anybody else hear the Harfoots talking about the guy who died of bees and get a flash of Nicholas Cage as a Harfoot flailing away amidst a swarm of bees, screaming: "NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEES!!! NOT THE BEES!!!"

[@Mavis-Tanya]

You guys gotta watch the Tolkien Professor's breakdown of the episode!!! I think you both will really like it. His take on "the sea is always right" is a pervasive take and rejection of elven lore... Game changing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/annGZZyBlNlke80

[@joshuamininger7745]

You guys are honest and genuine and pretty transparent, and you are really very good reviewer‘s! All of those things are probably why we like you. I would say don’t be confused and about dislike and other stats on your videos at this point. They are not about you, it’s all of us having such mixed feelings and ups and downs and disappointments with the shell, and some of us probably incorrectly take that out on you. You just stepped into a sh#tstorm on this, so prepare to get dirtied a little. But you guys are great. Just keep doing what you are doing. You got the attention of 16,000 people for a reason!

[@mndrew1]

I stand with Claroos; if the stranger is supposed to be Gandalf I'll join the riot. We surround the production offices and don't let in any coffee until they fix it.

[@Surethien]

They sure seem to want to imply it, what with the growing darkness (like Gandalf did when he chided Bilbo) or the way he whispered to the fireflies (the way he did to the moth on top of Saruman's tower). But .. As I understand it, they don't have the rights to actually use the name Gandalf, so I assume it either, in fact, is not him , or they won't explicitly say so if it is. I guess that means the flow of coffee is safe, whew.

[@ace-of-teacups]

Adam is adamant about adopting adoring adults and addressing them as Adar while being adrift in advertisements, adding adorableness to Adele's admonishing adlibs. Yeah, that would be weird.

[@bluelight17]

You are right about online engagement, there is just no comparison with HOTD. It's obviously not a show for everyone, but the writing, the characters...as of now they are just at another level compared to ROP. All the characters are engaging in their own ways, even the (for now) smallest side characters like the Blackwood kid. It's even more surprising cause i thought there was more excitement for RoP before release, cause while RoP was perceived as a prequel to the hugely successful Lotr movies, HOTD came after an incredibly disappointing GoT ending. And i am one of those people that until release didn't really care about HOTD while i couldn't wait to start RoP.

[@GerardSharkey]

If not for the names and maps I would not recognise this as a story in middle earth. Galadriel is already thousands of years old at this point and has learned wisdom from the Maiar Melian. Instead we have a surly teenager who really, really loves horses.

[@jarral9861]

Geeky lore stuff: "Adar" is not just a made up word, it's the Sindarin word for "Father". Remember Tom Bombadils elven name was "Iarwain Ben-Adar", "Oldest and Fatherless". Looking forward to tne next book club!

[@drewchase6577]

You guys are dope... don't be concern about algorithm or naysayers. Stay authentic and true to your opinion.

[@vinimcamargo]

After GoT introduced sexposition, Rings of Power is introducing landescapositon. Great looking footages and so much explanation. Also, would be funny if numenor was first showed in the second season, when Galadriel arrives from her swimming in the open sea.

[@gazlator]

I suspect you guys are not alone in feeling that the show is often too disjointed and directionless to really care about much of it; the beautiful vistas and landscapes can only do so much to support the production.

[@elck3]

They’re not.

[@Surethien]

You are curious about the ages from before LotR, even if it's not actually from the books..... that is what you're saying, right? : ) Look, enjoy the show as much as you can for as long as you can, and more power to you if you can. Then someday, if you haven't yet, give the the actual books a chance and perhaps you'll see why some people are critical or even whining.

[@declanhardie9273]

@@Surethien the think is they have change it as they don’t have the rights to the silmarilion

[@Surethien]

@@declanhardie9273 Oh, I know. But if I buy a car, knowing it has no brakes, I am still responsible if, say for example, a car-wreck ensues.

[@ImaGrippli]

One of the creators said that they were hoping to make 50 hours of content, which would be roughly 5 seasons. The way I think about it is that all of season 1 is going to be build up and setting the pieces in place. The game/ story won't really kick off until season 2 and we will see the forging of the rings in the finale of season 1. Halbrand will be used to either "break bad" and take men to Sauron's army, or will die a martyr, redeeming himself, but not his people. My off the wall theory is that he will take some men "north" and his progeny will become the Rohirrim. I imagine that the Easterlings settled in the south after they were defeated and that is why they are the southlands in the show. I think the Numenor has already been in contact with Sauron and have been influenced by him, but don't know it was Him... yet. I have other theories as well, but this is getting WAY too long. hahaha

[@elck3]

I’m glad you have your theories, but not many are going to wait around for the table setting in season one to get to season two.

[@ImaGrippli]

@@elck3 Fair point! I agree. This seems to be a poor way to set up the most expensive show in history. But, here's to hoping!

[@eouveluz]

I find my self enjoying all of this show in much more ways than some reactors and people online, that confuses me when someone thinks its a "bad" kind of slow (I respect it and in some ways even understand the reasons, but I just can't relate). Idk if I'm this hyped because I see where this could be going towards, but I just love it. I love the possibilities in the things that we know from the lore AND the possibilities of the storylines that are completely original. I love to dig into the existing lore and try to figure out who can be who, and where the small choices in the show can lead to become the big stuff we know happens in the source material. And some people seem to not get that this show is a mistery, not a pure adventure (like the LOTR movies and books). There are lots of questions to be answered, there is investigation. Galadriel is investigating, Arondir is investigating and Nori is in her own little mission there and since I LOVE misteries, this grabs me far more than House of the Dragon, for example, which for me is coming as an expensive and R rated brazilian telenovela/soap opera, where the interesting things are who f**ks who, who will marry who and who will get the prize. I also LOVE the "one note" insufferable arrogant Galadriel, because I am SURE that, if they get it right, this is a REALLY fascinating character arc for her: come from this grieving angry arrogant warrior to that peaceful, calm and noble queen. Arondir also has a painful journey established in this episode. And I simply love that we are still figuring out the real goals of people like Halbrand or Miriel (who has two different storylines in the books and seems to me she is playing along with the Numenorian to not give control of the real to the unfaithful). And we have the one big question: WHERE is Sauron and where he will come from? So, for me, it's not slow, it's a good mystery drama, not not an action show yet - even though the action we had is amazing.

[@stefannydvorak7919]

You copy and paste this comment everywhere?

[@eouveluz]

@@stefannydvorak7919 No, actually I did it only in this video and the other one. Why type it all over again if I just want to say the same thing? That's the advantage of internet.

[@RevolutionaryGirlLexi]

Regarding Galadriel, to be fair, from her point-of-view she's been relentlessly hunting Sauron for centuries without rest. The one who murdered her brother and the symbolic inheritor of the evil that ruined her home and childhood, and she's been gaslit by her own people that there's nothing wrong even though she knows there is, and essentially retired away so no one has to deal with her. She has no one backing her, everything is going wrong, and now she's stuck on an island that seemingly hates her. This isn't Galadriel at her prime, she's at her lowest, most fucked up state. In a way, all she has is Sauron.

[@ace-of-teacups]

I agree. She's abrasive and arrogant, but it's perfectly understandable with everything that's happened to her. I'm here for the journey showing how she changes.

[@elck3]

But she just got rescued from certain death. The very island where people seemingly hate her is the one that saved her from becoming the stone that looks downward lol. I feel even Sauron would be more grateful (and is) even if just to be diplomatic

[@ryankwon8785]

I think she will gradually become the Galadriel we know over time through the help of her new allies and her eventual marriage to Celeborn. It is likely the show will transition Galadriel from a brash warrior to a kindhearted spiritual leader. I've seen this type of character transition in many stories. In the Simarillion, Sauron placed Galadriel as his top enemy target list which was never explained why by Tolkien since Galadriel never participated much in the Second Age aside from being an elvish spiritual leader. The tv show is likely giving a reason as to why Sauron hates Galadriel as a difficult enemy to defeat.

[@manjiimortal]

Them adapting the second age is at the same time a blessing and a curse, for the exact same reasons. It was the least developed age that Tolkien wrote about as the 1th age gets the vast majority of the Silmarillion, the 3th age gets the Hobbit and the LOTR, while the 2nd age gets about 10 pages on the appendixes of Return of the King (including the chronology of the 2nd age), and whatever information that is dropped during the LOTR books. This leaves them a lot of space for creating their own stories, since the events written by Tolkien are so spare that you need to come up with your own ideas to fill in all the blanks (notably, very little at all was written about what the Elves and Dwarves were up to during that time, as Tolkien focused on the rise and fall of Númenor), but you still need to try to follow on whatever was written, and when you're trying to compress events to a ridiculous level (Celebrimbor dies on SA 1697, and Númenor falls on SA 3319, which the show is setting up to happen at around the same time, for example) that becomes a really hard act to balance. The 2nd Age was written by Tolkien in a purely Historical Chronical manner, and that doesn't lend itself to adaption at all, and trying to tell a story that spans, in this case, thousands of years of events certainly doesn't lend itself to a TV format, it works much better in written form. It's the exact same problem anyone would have it they were allowed to try to adapt the Silmarillion, as the story is still for the most part told in an Historical Chronical manner covering tens of thousands years from creation to the end of 1st age, though you do have event happening within it that could be much more easily adapted to TV or movies, namely the Three Great Tales of the Silmarillion: Beren and Lúthien, The Children of Húrin, and The Fall of Gondolin .

[@ksl3240]

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[@hbarz1066]

One of the downsides of Elven immortality is (I think) that they can be VERY slow to change, adapt, or move on from certain things; Elendil even alludes to this when talking to Galadriel about how she reminds him of his kids. She may be a few thousand years older than him, but she is not nearly as mature, because she still has a massive chunk of life left to live (technically forever lol). Trauma like the kind she endured (through centuries of war and the death of her brother) can definitely make someone act impulsive, rude, and just downright angry, and while a human might deal with and move on from that trauma over the course of an 80 year lifetime, it takes her wayyyy longer.

[@ATron-d8l]

I’m glad this video was longer. Your explanation at the end about how you feel about the show was great. Please continue to have longer videos because I totally dig it.

[@anon8079]

She looks like an elf . So pretty

[@jinmiseru]

Excellent analysis at the end there, I agree with virtually everything you said. The production value of this show continues to be excellent overall, the cast is very good in the various roles they're given. That said, yes, the Galadriel issue persists. She's at least over a thousand years old in the show (even with the huge time crunch). And yet all that experience so far hasn't been apparent in her behavior (aside from showcasing her superior martial abilities). Having Elendil (the highlight of this episode for me) and Halbrand be so much wiser and more measured than her feels wrong. I get that the writers are trying to convey that she's consumed by her need for retribution and eliminating a gigantic threat, but if that comes at the expense of all her other qualities, then we lose so much of what makes her one of the most prominent and respected Elves in the whole legendarium. The writers want to create space for her to grow in future seasons, but I fear they've sacrificed a bit too much of her in the process... I'm gonna keep watching this show because despite the vaious issues at hand, I'm still curious to find out where this 1st season is headed, and how they've reconfigured the timeline of events given the limited rights they have. I'm invested in Nori and Elrond's stories, and still intrigued by Galadriel's journey as well. Fingers crossed the ship will right itself as we go along.

[@Perry_Wolf]

What a missed opportunity. Can you imagine if Galadriel was always calm and collected, a force to be reckoned with, with the ability to burst into violent and graceful action when needed? That it's was her calm assuring and wise demeanor that was the brick wall every other character battered against, never swaying her resolve....but no, we have a 13 year old that scrunches her nose when she's mad, which is all the time... 😥

[@tilltronje1623]

So you don't know shit about the lore and still complain about it

[@mokefish8126]

You guys are super hard on this. I'm not a big LOTR fan at all (read the books years ago, found them pretty slow, saw the first 3 Peter Jackson movies and couldn't make it through the first Hobbit), and I actually like this show. It's beautifully shot and the costumes and set pieces are top notch. The dog monster looked a little cheesy but was more than offset by the slow-mo fights. Is it a little bloated and slow going? Yep, absolutely. Consider the source material.

[@nathanmorgan3647]

There is no source material. They didn't get the rights to it.

[@Reemoun]

My thaughts: Cate Blanchett's Galadriel is Peter Jackson's Galadriel. She was wonderful cast for the role. And that Galadriel is over 8.200 years old. AND - very much screentime she has not. She has a few scenes, is wonderful and that's it. And ROP's Galadriel? Should she/her char be/act in the same way those 3.200 years before like her older version? In that show she's nearly 5.000 years old. So - should she make a copy of Cate's Galadriel? Then everybody would complain about that. I agree with some other opinions here. To have some kind of carnival licence to make her character is blessing and curse at the same time. I like the show. :) My favourite chars right now are: Elendil, Bronwyn, the stranger, Nori and yes, even Galadriel. Just liking kind and nice chars is somehow boring...

[@ace-of-teacups]

Elendil's people don't hate the elves, much the opposite - though they can't support them publically in the current political climate. A neutral play should be fine. I liked this episode more than the second one. I don't mind the timeline changes and the pacing at all (I did in the first episode)

[@DeathNRebirth]

I've been watching Nerd of the Rings episode breakdowns after the episodes air on Prime. He has lots of interesting insights in regards to the history and lore of Middle Earth, and puts a lot of things into perspective that I would miss as a casual LOTR fan. Also, I'm thinking "The Stranger" is a Blue Mage, as has been brought up by many people. Tolkien changed the lore regarding them later in his life, and they come to Middle Earth in ~year 1600 of the second age, tasked with travelling to the east and circumventing Sauron, and to search out his hiding. When he first meets Nori, he's muttering the words "mana ure", which could possibly mean "hand of heat", which contrasts beautifully with Saurons description of having a hand that is "flame unquenched"

[@laurazaetz9505]

It's funny, the KZbin channel Tolkien Untangled set up an alternate version of the show that set up those exact themes that you liked, about mortality vs immortality.

[@juliegibson-2020]

I totally LOVED the casting of Elendil - he and Durin IV are brilliant. I just think they have made Galadriel almost completely unlikable...with the stellar performance of Cate Blanchett, her version was so multifaceted, and this version is coming across as a petulant child. I'm going to keep watching...but after the amazing writing in HotD, this is just a VERY distant second to me.

[@ahmorgan]

Completely agree

[@CuddleBuddee]

Have you stopped to think that was the intention for the character to show the journey from headstrong and vengeful to wise and experienced? This Galadriel is a thousand years or more younger than the one we see in our beloved LoTR. Of course we don't like her crappy attitude, her arrogance, her privileged demands, she's too blinded by her own destructive path of revenge. It seems clear they wrote it this way to show that she wasn't always what we see in LOTR. We're supposed to dislike who she is now because she has lessons still to learn. That being said, I get why you dont like her, we're not supposed to. Duh. Also, a HotD comparison? Really? HotD is a different type of fantasy. It and its predecessor are detailed and grounded in political intrigue with 9 great houses and all the banners under them. It's great. Tolkien's stuff is all about the higher view, good vs. evil. It doesn't get in to all the minutea and moves made by 9 dfferent factions with countless bannermen underneath them. The comparison doesn't work. Rings vs. similar would be Wheel of Time, etc. Again, of course the writing is going to be(or seem) more intelligent in a GoT or HotD, it's a different type of work. Your expectations are predictably going to fall short if youre' comparing GoT/HotD to classic high fantasy. Not a fair comparison.

[@juliegibson-2020]

Wow, what a lovely diatribe to start the morning, Cuddle Buddee…are you an Amazon employee? 😉 Have you ever stopped to think that my post above was simply MY opinion? You don’t need to agree, it’s simply my opinion and I’m entitled to it just as you’re entitled to yours. To me, this Galadriel is being WRITTEN as selfish and arrogant, and I don’t like it - I don’t like HER. Again, MY opinion. Yes, I know we all change as we grow, and elves live long lives, and yes this is thousands of years before The Hobbit takes place, much less The Lord of the Rings, yada, yada, yada. That being said, THIS show has had MILLIONS of dollars spent in its production, and yet the writing suffers; the CGI of Numenor, Khazad Dum, etc. was absolutely awe-inspiring and breathtaking, however the writing is disjointed and choppy at best. There is too much going on without enough of a focus on what they want US, as viewers, to focus on. The casting (particularly Elrond - I don't get that characterization), the costuming, character design, again IMHO, I don’t quite care for and I don’t find captivating. And before anyone gets a bee in their bonnet, it’s NOT anything to do with any colors…the cast could be purple or green for all I care. It’s honestly the writing I find fault with. And, YES, a House of the Dragon comparison…it is ABSOLUTELY a fair comparison. It is a different type of fantasy, but fantasy nonetheless. So why compare them, you ask? Because the WRITING is absolutely STELLAR in HotD, while it’s tepid, at best, in LotRtRoP… That is why I compare them. The reason they made this show is to make their own 'GoT' for Amazon, and Amazon folks admitted that. In that, so far, they have failed. Again, I’m not giving up on the show, but I’m not in a hurry to pull it up to watch either. It’s disappointing because I was VERY excited about this show, and it’s just a lukewarm feeling about it now. I have a reminder in my phone to be sure that I am home to watch HotD as soon as it is released to stream, and I usually watch it a couple of times again later in the week. I watch LotRtRoP at some point on Friday after its release late in the evening on Thursday, and then will watch it again as well, but I’m just not as excited about this show as I once was. If it was exciting and the storyline/writing were engaging, I would stay up late and go to work a zombie the next day to watch it, no doubt in my mind. It may yet get there, but it isn’t there yet. I do have high expectations when it comes to Tolkien’s work, and I freely admit that. Simply though, I watch these shows to be entertained. Bottom line, it’s just my opinion. You do you, Boo Boo. Have a great week! 😊

[@wotfanedit]

If we take 4 episodes to get out of Act 1, 2.5 episodes for Act 2 and 1.5 extended(?) episodes for Act 3, it could just about work. But damn they are leaving themselves a Herculean task to weave everything together to set up (and pay off) a satisfying conclusion.

[@tkinsey3]

There is precedent for Galadriel's behavior (both b/c of the Elf/Numenor relations and her personal tragedy/PTSD), but I totally agree that they have so far taken her rudeness/idiocy/impatience way too far. She's easily my least favorite character, at least so far.

[@desertrose0027]

"Nobody walks alone" Unless you fall behind the caravan for any reason or break the rules. I'm not sure why the Harfoots are so cruel? Also I found Galadriel very offputting here. I get she's got a mission but just a smidgeon of diplomacy would help here. She doesn't have to be Elrond, just maybe don't insult the people who picked you up out of the ocean.

[@Gothicsock]

It's not cruelty - like they said, it's a matter of survival for them to migrate, so in order to save the majority they don't completely abandon migration for 1 person, and since everyone has their own caravan to travel with they can't spare extra people or slow down the whole thing. It's basically a kind of natural selection. And i guess executing people as punishment or jailing them in other kingdoms isn't cruelty?

[@desertrose0027]

@@Gothicsock Yes it is a very "natural selection" thing, but it means that they do let people "walk alone". Humans tend to want to protect others in their group, if they can (and certainly I think Hobbits would). Also, yes, but there are also degrees of punishment. Some crimes are punished harsher than others. My impression that any rule violation would warrant being left behind to them, though I suppose it's also at the discretion of the leader.

[@Surethien]

@@Gothicsock The contradiction is the problem. They are either leaving those who can't keep up behind for the survival of the group, or, as they keep saying, they stick together, and never walk alone. You can't have both.

[@AnotherScribbler]

@@Surethien I think “nobody walks alone” is more an abomination to literally never go off by yourself and a reminder of safety with the caravan. This is hundreds of years (a thousand?) before the three different lines of “hobbits” settle into the Shire and become one comfy little society.

[@Surethien]

@@AnotherScribbler Possibly, but that would mean they basically chant the same thing again in answer: Nobody goes off-trail (stick with the caravan) nobody walks alone (also stick with the caravan, rather than: then we'll take care of you). Gosh that'd make that horribly unimaginative chant even worse. Even if it's fully your take though, that still would leave us with the same contradiction: Stick with the caravan and we find safety with eachother vs oh but if you sustain an injury, ach well, too bad, try to keep up or die. Does nobody has a spare son or daughter to help you pull your cart? Nobody will let you ride on their cart if you can't walk? Nope, just... ah shame, farewell, we'll remember your demise in a poignant and sad ceremony next year. These writers need to hit story points and emotional highs and lows. But they don't bother to connect it all logically. Well I say don't bother, I suspect they're incapable.

[@tomascorona71]

I agree with your concerns. Numerous should be in a different story arc and the show should focus first on the Arondil the elf guardman, Meteor Man (probably a blue wizard), and the dwarves in Kazad-Dum.

[@uqeir91]

My suspicion that the reason for the story bloat was that Amazon wanted a grandiose story and shopped around for a show runner to give it to them. As opposed to a story teller with a vision selling their idea to a studio.

[@elck3]

Apparently Bezos wanted to corner the fantasy market across all ages and fill the gap game of thrones would leave. Failed imo

[@Surethien]

I appreciate the honesty in your reviews. And even though I think you may be a touch too forgiving, I have to credit you guys for trying to stay positive about the Rings of Power. I enjoyed your videos since I found you reviewing the Wheel of Time show and applaud the bookclub that followed. I'm a huge fan of those books. Needless to say I'm also a fan of Tolkien's work, but unfortunately as far as this show goes, I've lost faith in it turning out good. I long since stopped expecting them to honor Tolkien or the lore, the trailers and press ensured that. But I'm a big fantasy fan and I had at least hoped we'd get a decent fantasy story. I never expected to be just... bored. It's pretty, sure, but without better writing, this show won't survive. Their main character Galadriel is indeed a huge problem. I've no doubt the goal is to have her grow from impatient and angry to serene and wise, but even a character with flaws has to be written in such a way that people will still like her or at least care about what happens to her, and most of us just don't. Also, you cannot have her act like a self-centered teenager at (at least) 2000 years old, while she's also a great leader and the commander of the armies. That's just not believable. The Harfoots talk a big game about sticking together, but then turn around and leave you behind if you got hurt. Don't worry though, they'll mention you in the next ceremony, where they will proclaim to wait for you. That's just inconsistent. The Elves kept watch for hundreds of years over the Southlanders, because they once supported Morgoth. But from their watchtowers they didn't see the swath of destruction the Orcs cut through the landscape? And keep in mind the Orcs were close enough to attack a village about day away and the Elf garrison itself. That's just silly. The dialogue is trying very hard to be high fantasy, but they're out of their depth if the best they can come up with for the naval society is: "the sea is always right" and: "nobody goes off-trail - nobody walks alone" for the nomads. No, I'm sorry, episode 3 broke me, I'm done. I have absolutely no doubt that the cast and crew gave it their best, but those with the power to make decisions, just didn't manage to create a good show, let alone something reminiscent of the works of professor Tolkien.

[@ryankwon8785]

Miriel, Elendil, and the Faithful are playing Game of Thrones against the Unfaithful to support the war against Sauron.

[@snaz388]

24:47 actually it seems to me that the warg is terribly interbred as well as a baby, explaining why it looks so messed up lmao

[@thehunter7422]

Exactly what I was thinking. Like a prototype before the wargs we get in the Hobbit and LOTR. When Sauron fully gets those breeding pits going lol

[@quarksbar3265]

Key takeaway from this episode: Galadriel is ten thousand year old book Nynaeve.

[@alachad]

The practical effects and costumes are fantastic. The CG effects (except the warg) are beautiful. I don't care at all about anything that is happening. Every episode feels 10 minutes longer than it should. Scenes drag on and on. While this show looks significantly better than TWoT, I enjoyed TWoT's first 3 episodes way more than the first 3 episodes of this show.

[@stefannydvorak7919]

The costumes are not perfect. The Numenor armours look plastic. And they have metallic prints on their clothes!

[@theashrook6129]

I agree it’s a lot, I hope the various storyline’s meld soon. However, I am enjoying each episode. I’m okay with a grand scale type story, but as long as they handle it well. For the Harfoots, I believe their culture is born out of fear. The mother’s rant about basically keep your head down, you are insignificant, you will get killed, tells a lot of about their community. So when something happens during migration, they just push on because how could such small weak folk possibly do anything courageous? It’s better to keep moving and stay alive. As far as being at the back of the caravan that might have been political maneuvering. Since he is injured, the elder was probably looking for an excuse to move them to the back of the caravan, to keep the others from being out in danger by that family holding the group up from his injury. Galadriel, yeah. I’m still wanting to stick to my guns that she has a bit of an Ahab problem. Because we do know she survives, I think there is gonna be a serious break and then she finally matures. The way Galadriel was in the throne room, i didn’t like it either, but I remember something from another series about first impressions. If you’re introduced as royalty they’ll always see you that way; if you’re introduced as a beggar (castaway), that’s all they’ll see you as. But I really want Galadriel’s character to develop. Love yalls reaction as always. Can’t wait for more WoT content.

[@smaug1234]

They are Rabbits, they have the culture of prey, Keep together, hide whenever you can, if you cant keep up, you cant, and we will miss you. I love this myself. Its a logical start for the Hobbits we meet in LOTR.

[@AnotherScribbler]

It’s interesting, because… I went in expecting something kinda with the pacing of the movies, but what we’re getting is the tv version of a giant doorstopper fantasy series. And that’s great as far as I’m concerned, even if I’m not going to want that from all (or even most) shows. Also, wasn’t Numenor already tipping away from the elves due to there being a growing feeling of jealousy about the “curse/gift of man”? Could have sworn that was independent of Sauron’s later influence, just used by him.

[@AnotherScribbler]

Also, elves live forever… but they also do have a concept of immediacy. She thinks that every minute the evil of Sauron exists the bigger the threat is, and the more her brother’s legacy is failed. To put it another way: To hunt the threat for a thousand years is no big deal to her, but to let it possibly grow a moment longer than necessary is unacceptable.

[@NerdyNightly]

I'm glad it's working for you! I had forgotten about the reason for the split between Numenor and the Elves, but you are right. I just wish the show had mentioned it, but I am willing to bet they can't mention the "gift of man" for rights reasons

[@emma7042]

I think we just have to be patient with this show. It's planned for 5 seasons so I think we can expect some good character development and the different storylines to eventually merge. It's interesting what they are doing with the Halbrand character. I got the impression from the episode that they are trying to play him up as a potential candidate for Sauron (manipulative, good orator, interest in smithing), but I think its more likely that he will become either one of the Nazgûl or the king of the army of the dead after breaking the oath to Isildur. I am also excited to find out more about the stranger. I hope he is one of the blue wizards. I frankly do not understand what they are trying to do with the harfoots. Unless they are quite literally going to migrate to and create the shire in this show their storyline seems a bit pointless and contributes quite a bit to the bloat of this show.

[@pasqualesorrentino5780]

At 47minutes 45 about that Arrondir will have an "elf" friend to speak with, in the next episode for sure ah ah ! Adaaaaar !!

[@viciouspiggy1]

Halbrand got the money from the blacksmith, whom he also pickpocketed. :D

[@PearseNation]

You two really need to watch Frieren Beyond Journey’s End (in sub) if you want an awesome story that plays with the “long lived elf trying to relate to shorter lived peoples” idea. It’s incredible

[@teraris]

I mean the curse (and the gift) of mortality, and the curse (and the gift) of immortality are central themes in Tolkien's work. Ultimately immortality breeds stagnation and man's mortality is the basis for its dynamism.

[@rodsmith2797]

I enjoyed your analysis of the series so far. However, since I am not a streamer, I have no obligation to watch something that fails to entertain (me). I suffered through Episodes 1 and 2, while hoping that I would find something in Episode 3 to tweak my interest. Instead, I found Galadriel so unlikable that I couldn't finish the episode and just gave up on the series. I will watch your future reviews (which I do find entertaining) to see if you succeed in finding an actual storyline.

[@lolilol5346]

Yeah main character cannot have flaws right ?

[@irisbear9421]

Episode 4: a'dam...confirmed. 🤣🤣🤣

[@smaug1234]

I don't like how Galadriel storyline at all to this point, but the rest of the story lines are good so far. I really like the Orcs.

[@cliveklg7739]

The timeline of the story is really strange because there is a chunk of Numenor history the show doesn't have access to. And so I think they may have compressed some of the story which may explain some hostility. "Elf-Friends' have become few on the Island by this time except in the 'faithful'. Also men were most seen as servants to the Elves in the first age. True friendships were exceptions in the stories. And her family had some arrogance that likely tempers down over time. I enjoyed the episode for the most part except for the Warg. That was bad. Which when you see how gorgeous all the location designs are, how this got approved is beyond me.

[@TheLouis1973]

Watching Clarus judgmental facial expressions is more entertaining than the actual show 🤣🤣

[@HollyWolf]

I think that they could of honestly just NOT had Galadriel as such a main character. Take her out.. and the story beats would make a lot more sense! Overall I still love it, and it’s so damn pretty. But yeah she’s a bit weird aha

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

But if she's not there, the show becomes all about Sauron and his various machinations.

[@Mavis-Tanya]

I appreciate your videos on this! I love this world so much ❤️ I really think this will be soooo good sooo soon. But I agree, it's oddly paced and slow right now. Excited to see your reactions to future episodes! Also, how I understand the contract with the Tolkien estate, I believe Amazon is contracted and required to do all five seasons unless they pay the estate a huge amount in fees

[@NerdyNightly]

Oh my god. This better be a hit then or they are going to bleeeed money

[@alighalibb]

@@NerdyNightly It is already a hit. The premiere episode was watched by 25 Million viewers in the first 24 Hours and is the most watched prime video premiere ever.

[@ChileOdell]

@@alighalibb Actually the show was "sampled" by 25M people. Amazon hasn't clarified what this means. You cant trust Amazons or any streaming services numbers.

[@Perry_Wolf]

@@alighalibb Watched by 25M people but only 800 reviews made it out thus far and not many of those good. You'd think if it was such a hit we'd see reviews in the hundreds of thousands and mostly good. Unfortunately, the metric of how many people tuned in to watch it is a good enough number for Amazon to call it a hit, but as Nerdy said it's how many are watching come the season finale that matters.

[@alighalibb]

@@Perry_Wolf What are you talking about. It has over 20000 Audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes and 153,319 reviews on IMDB & IT IS THE MOST POPULAR SHOW IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO IMDB AND ROTTEN TOMATOES DETHRONING HOTD Even after it's 4th episode release and The Rings of Power's episode 3 was released before HOTD’s episode 4. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT FIRST!!!

[@GerardSharkey]

This has been one of the best takes I have seen on this show yet. The show needs new show runners who can handle this material and budget.

[@spacechampi0n]

There are werewolves and vampires in the First Age, but no information on whether Wargs were in Morgoth's armies. Pretty likely though.

[@mjdaniel8710]

My theory is that Adar and the Orcs are looking for the sword Theo found and Halbrand will be convinced by Galadrial to fight him for the Southlands and The Stranger is a Blue Wizard

[@beng7206]

Hope that is true...

[@calebtatro6512]

Screw your anniversary, give us our WoT fix!!!😂😂 only joking of course, congrats💜☮️

[@Jehphg]

Have you ever heard of Dr. Corey Olsen and Dr. Maggie Parke? They have actual knowledge, both about tv adaptation, medieval studies and Tolkien studies and they have this amazing show here on youtube called Rings and Realms which I think both of you would benefit from, for example, these "coincidences" that seem to be bothering you guys is a known force in the Tolkien legendarium, the Divine Providence of Eru Ilúvatar, better exemplified and discussed in The Hobbit by Gandalf, but also by Galadriel, this same episode when she says there is no Fate, but a bigger force moving them together, also Nori when she says she feels she was supposed to help the Stranger, in another body of work I would agree that this would be convoluted, but not here, here it pays homage to Tolkien's previous work and the mythos he built, I do think seeking info in the right place would help put things in perspective, the show is excellent, it leaves personal opinion generally aside and focus on analising the themes and the adaptation in a more professional way. Hope you check it out.

[@gilian2587]

Galadriel took wisdom as her dump stat.

[@rachelfallonauthor]

Have to agree with you on this show, I so want to love it but it’s making it really difficult! I’m not sure if anyones mentioned this below(didn’t see it) but for HOTD Emma D’Arcy(older Rhaenyra) is non binary and uses they/them pronouns. So Rhaenyra is she but the actress is they. And Milly was cast to match Emma so I have hope Emma will be just as amazing! They look just as amazing in all footage I’ve seen in trailers and from interviews💕

[@NerdyNightly]

Thank you for the heads up about their pronouns! We weren't aware and will make sure to get that right!

[@rachelfallonauthor]

@@NerdyNightly no problem! I know you guys are always really good about that kind of thing so I figured you weren’t aware☺️

[@alasdair_10]

Isildur was near Númenor not Middle-Earth, and the voice is probably Uinen a Maia of the seas, the statue on the jail is of her. As for the story they go slowly because they have to present you a whole world practically at the same time while in the Lord of the Rings the places are appearing little by little, have a little patience, we have 3 episodes of 50, do not want everything to happen now As for the story they go slowly because they have to present you a whole world practically at the same time while in the Lord of the Rings the places are appearing little by little, have a little patience, we have 3 episodes of 50, do not want everything to happen now because not even following only what the teacher wrote would get rid of a lot of overwhelming information, so please a little patience and everything will make sense.

[@corvinscorner]

You just put allllll of my thoughts into words!🙏🏼 It's also kind of impossible not to compare it to House of the Dragon, not tone wise but craft wise. House of the dragon won my trust with two episodes. With rings of power... i have to search for excuses and positive things and end up empty handed🤷🏻‍♂️. I don't trust them to pull it off and am scared they'll butcher Sauron.

[@Saphthings]

I had the opposite reaction. House of the Dragon reminded me right away that if I like any character at all they'll probably be tortured to death. So I leave RoP feeling hopeful and curious. I leave HotD feeling angry and annoyed. My life has enough stress, I don't want a show where I know it wont end or be happy or at least hopeful.

[@ace-of-teacups]

​@@Saphthings I feel the same about HotD. It makes me anxious and I feel like I can't get into any of the characters because things just can't go well. Doesn't help that I've actually read Fire and Blood.

[@ericfilmsf8429]

Glad I don't have the burden of lore that you and others seem to carry so heavy and I can just take the story as it is, as it comes, cause I love this show so far and I have enjoyed every episode.

[@tilltronje1623]

I know the lore and love it too. What is the problem?

[@emberise6613]

Again, I agree with you. Galadriel needs to calm down and think. She's not coming across as wise or like she's older than literally everyone she's interacting with. The elves needed to be set up more for their failed escape to have more emotional impact. And the Harfoots are stone cold, which isn't a criticism because I liked that interpretation of their way of life. I'm enjoying it, but it hasn't grabbed me and I find myself going 'eh' sometimes. Oh, I thought of a thing I disagree about - the Numenorean armour. I thought the outfits on the boat looked sort of fake. Maybe because it wasn't lived in enough? I needed it to be more... used. It looked kind of plasticy to me.

[@cathakjordi]

I am not bothered Arondir is black. Heck, that does not even conflict with canon. There are sylvan elves distributed all over Arda. There might be even 'desert' dark elves (as in tribes that escaped from Cuivenien from the call of the Valar) who might be very dark skinned (not because evolution reasons, but there is a certain 'tuning' to the music of the world with the elves, and the place they live in does affect them, that's a problem when magic starts fading out in 2nd age). I am bothered because he has no ethereal quality on him at all. He just looks a normal guy with vulcan/romulan ears. They are not taller than humans, they talk, behave and act like humans. Same with the rest of his team. Galadriel... well, Galadriel is awful in a huge number of ways Arondir is not.

[@seanm6667]

Taking it out of context "if you just don't like black dwarves, I don't care" I don't know if it's offensive to laugh at that but I thought that was funny af. 😅

[@xboy6373]

The problem is not that there is black elfs or dwarfs, the problem is... for what for is ?!?! Its politics. They choose the actors just because they are black.

[@quarksbar3265]

I don't think the people from the southlands are the Easterlings. I think the people from the southlands aren't around any more by the time we hit the Peter Jackson era :(. For obvious reasons. I also agree the Galadriel stuff is the toughest to watch, but I'm totally here for Elrond, the Harfoots, and seeing Ground Zero Mordor having to deal with becoming Actual Mordor. That poison cow still has me waking up screaming every night.

[@DocEonChannel]

Yes, Easterlings are from even further east than Mordor. The "Southlands" is an invention of this series, and I think you're right that the people from there won't survive into the third age.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

@@DocEonChannel Isn't that the area that turns into Rôhan and Gondor in the Third Age? Geographically they are west of Mordor, like in the map animation.

[@DocEonChannel]

@@TorIverWilhelmsen If by "that" you mean the Southlands, no I think it's pretty clear in this show they mean the area within the half-circle mountain range, i.e. what we know as Mordor.

[@memonk100]

I think they got Galadriel confused with Nynaeve

[@ClarusPolaris]

I'm cackling 😂

[@nathanmorgan3647]

They only have two female characters. Badass unlikeable in your face who thinks she's a poor downtrodden victim, and then actual poor downtrodden victim surrounded by angry patriarchy abusers. What else can they do?

[@roberthyde3511]

I really wanted this show to be good. I would say I’m a pretty big Tolkien fan but I could understand that the adaptation would be different. Some changes I was ok with but overall I really feel they are failing to represent the world well. And I’m not talking about the new casting. I enjoy arondir and disa, durin and Elrond quite a bit. Also liked bronwyn. But the plot and writing is just so disjointed. I compare it to the excellent characterization and story in house of the dragon and am sad. I want to see on screen the war of Sauron and the elves, the downfall, khazad dum all that but it’s just not there. If they can’t figure out how to do it I’d rather they not bother.

[@ColinPoole]

Galadriel chooses violence. Was low key hoping she would pull a Lancelot.

[@thane9]

The harfoots attitudes and pragmatism for staying alive at all cost is just a deeper testament to how perfect a soul Samwise Gamgee, the most altruistic, loyal, and sacrificing being to ever exist, is. Editing to add: Numenor looks AMAZING. This show is super pleasing to the eyes regardless of any other criticism. But I'm ready to get through this first season and get back to Wheel of Time.

[@jameslou4112]

The warg in this episode is a pup, that's why its smaller compared to those in Peter Jackson's movies. The show may introduce the full grown wargs in the later parts of the series.

[@Phi1618033]

In Tolkien's lore the elves are quite arrogant, so Galadriel's attitude is typical.

[@nothefabio]

Mark my words: This Halbrand is the one who will later become the Witch-king of Angmar.

[@benkelly2024]

The witch king is numenorean

[@stubbywankenobi1]

@@benkelly2024 not true. He could be one of the three lords of numenor or he could be another one of 6 others who get the ring. It’s never said who he is for sure

[@honeybadger6916]

Nah he is Sauron

[@stubbywankenobi1]

@@honeybadger6916 so you think Sauron saved Galadriels life. Don’t think so buddy

[@honeybadger6916]

@@stubbywankenobi1 nothing in this show make too much sense , so why not

[@Perry_Wolf]

In lieu of your comment regarding flow, the time with the elves and orcs was a complete waste of time and could have easily been done without. The elves started captured, fought, and ended captured without learning anything besides how they missed the orcs digging a huge swath of a trench through the land. The writing really suffers here too, because the orcs can't stand light, so why dig at the surface and/or during the day. Also, where the hell does all that cloth come from that covers the trench, and where does all those tons of dirt go without having mounds on the surface?! This is only one example of how poor the writing is, unfortunately. With that said, like you, I'm still watching with hope. At this point, given where the story is, I really, really hope Galadriel goes down a dark path to be broken and humbled. With regards to your comment about the die hard fans being upset and regarding sexism and racism. Most of the accusation regarding those are unwarranted from Amazon officials. There are a few bigots in the twitter scene but if you go read reviews, literally none of them tout the diversity as the problem with the show, 99% of them harp on the same things you guys have issue with. The characters, (Galadriel), the writing and the lack of established story after 3 episodes. Unfortunately, and very sadly, "fan-baiting" is a real marketing tactic used since 2016/2017. Please see: www.lastmovieoutpost.com/fan-baiting-as-a-movie-marketing-strategy/

[@MrReded69]

This show SHOULD be a slow burn but it feels like somebody trusted a 2-year old with a lit torch and told them to run through a forest!

[@markusbisma5015]

The showrunners lack experience and I think the result shows.

[@deceiver444]

Both Arondir and Galadriel are good at wooden faces

[@wisemoon40]

If you just accept that they don’t have rights to Silmarillion and stop expecting it to be faithful to the lore, it’s not a bad show. Not the greatest, but…it’s better than The Witcher. I’m not saying The Witcher is bad, but season 2 was completely off-book. I just set aside the books and games and treated it as it’s own thing. And this show is closer to the real LotR history and lore than that. So I’m pretty happy with it.

[@elck3]

S1 was amazing for Witcher. At least for someone who has not read the books like me it was…

[@Surethien]

Stop expecting me to deliver you the product I sold you and just accept I don't actually have it to sell. You realise that's a silly argument, right? However, they do have the rights to the appendices, and they chose to make a 5 season series out of them. And I will most definately expect them to keep faithful to (at the very least) the spirit of the original work since they use the name of that work for name-recognition in order to sell it.

[@Shmurph]

Yeah, I'm not understanding the choice to make Galadriel so difficult. It's hard to believe her people skills are *this* terrible. I imagine they were trying to make it appear as though she's not as used to dealing with humans maybe? Possibly? But there are better ways to accomplish that than having her be outright antagonistic towards them. I'm hoping they make better choices with her characterization going forward. Also, I dunno why, but pretty much every Halbrand scene feels like it's from a different show, like I'm watching The Witcher or something.

[@carolxs]

I wanted to like and I will finish first season, but I can't connect with Galadriel and I just don't feel the things that happen, there's no emotional connection... I still hope that changes, but if it doesn't, I might not check season 2. But hey, the dislikes are just orchestrated by the incel guys to dislike anything on the Internet about Rings of Power

[@shockmesane4158]

Galadriel being so off-putting is a real problem for the show. I think I'm gonna just put this one down and check back on reviews when the season is over. Maybe it'll get great.

[@dancedj2k2]

Congrats on your two year anniversary!

[@KevinDPomeroy]

So I am one of those that are steeped in Tolkien lore and and I perfectly was aware they couldn't be faithful to the original story. I appreciate some of your thoughts though. It started so big and it isn't going far with it. I am loving Arondir the black elf and the Harfoots. I think focusing on these smaller stories would have worked better and built up to something big. I also expected to see Numenor in Season 2 or 3, that there was going to be a build up to it. I am not loving Galadriel, not because she is a warrior, because they are making her incompetent and her narrative is so unclear. I think they should have made her a Yoda type figure that the other heroes sought out to glean wisdom and insight from. So there are things I am certainly enjoying, but at this point it is really hard to care about much. I really hope that the next few episodes start making the storyline so clear.

[@houseofsledge6891]

I am soooooooo grateful for your reaction to this episode. I was meh about episode 1, I really enjoyed episode 2, and I thought episode 3 was embarrassing (aside from the look of things, the casting, and the fight scene). It was such a relief to not be alone in that response while watching your reactions. The other reactors I have watched seem to have LOVED all three episodes - which is totally fine, everyone is entitled to their responses - and having you be on similar pages to me for this was so helpful. I'm sorry we're not all aboard for what we're seeing, I want this show to rock, but it is so comforting to see other people who love the property and want the show to be good also share some of my disconnects with what is being presented.

[@singh5105]

It's not that it has too much going on, it's that it has nothing going on and there are logic and contradictuon issues plus the dialogue is blah etc etc. There is no hook.

[@matslarsson6919]

“I don’t give a shit”. Yeah this is a problem for a show firmly based on Mystery Box storytelling.

[@dirtyduck10]

Happy anniversary guys!! Yea that comes first lol