Who is KING peach?

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MUSIC
- "Kitchen Bossa" from Kenkou Ouen Recipe 1000 DS Kondate Zenshuu Original Soundtrack
- "Logic and Trick" from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Original Soundtrack, remixed by Zinle
- "Inside the Castle Walls" from Super Mario 64 Original Soundtrack
- "Inside the Castle Walls" short piano version by me
- Other music via Epidemic Sound
To expand on when I said “it might even have been the same artist who illustrated the Japanese guide book”:
The art looks similar, even practically identical between the Japanese guide book and those little illustrations at the start of How To Win at Mario, so I assumed it must have been the same artist. However, checking the credits for the two books, the American guide credits "Daisuke Shigoto" as the illustrator, while the Japanese one credits “Sho Kobayashi and others”. So maybe Daisuke Shigoto was one of the “others”, or maybe he was just using the Japanese guide as a reference when he illustrated the American guide book. OR Nintendo had some kind of internal style guidelines which were sent to both illustrators. But this seems unlikely given how different the art from these books looks when compared to the official Mario art from this era.

[@ThomasGameDocs]

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[@lootin_10]

nice

[@rancidmoldybacon]

I D I O T K I N G

[@ArtemisAYO]

No

[@oneandonlygooballmekk]

n o

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

He almost reminds me of how The King of Hyrule was portrayed in The Infamous Legend of Zelda cartoon.

[@Rammy_Latin]

"The King is stupid and is always getting kidnapped..." Aah! So it seems that Princess Peach has inherited some traits from her father then...

[@miguel83883]

Yep

[@heavenly4321-]

Hahaha 😂 like daughter and father

[@GallantArc302]

Teehee Valley flashbacks

[@aikikaname6508]

@@miguel83883 I’m guessing because he’s a doddery old man and not a hot chick who’s the sole heir there’s less of a incentive

[@schlatle..9467]

By who bowsers mom?

[@-p5792]

"She's a princess, not a queen" I feel so dumb, never noticed she has no parents lmao

[@100billionfroghandles]

me too

[@dmm7736]

I figured she was just labeled as a princess because she has no husband and it was one of those kingdoms that are like “she’s in charge for now, but when she marries, her husband will take reign.” That made me believe it was Bowser’s main motive to steal and marry Princess Peach (although he does seem somewhat infatuated with her)

[@ksnfilms]

@@dmm7736 that might be the in-game reason but in reality little kids like princesses more than queens and Princess Peach sounds better than Queen Peach.

[@dmm7736]

@@ksnfilms ooooo fair point

[@memescoffee3173]

@@ksnfilms could be like Gungans where they favor younger children to rule

[@Kiki-vg8ot]

I’d love it if they’d make a game only for peach where she finds her parents and most likely saves them

[@MysticMorigan1998]

A sequel to super princess peach!

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

Yes please! Peach needs another stand-alone game! Let alone franchise!

[@rachelsenf4826]

The closest we might get would be Super Princess Peach

[@bootzcluez4473]

I'd love that idea!!

[@luigi57968]

@@MysticMorigan1998 The best thing would be a SUPER PRINCESS PEACH 2 on A Switch 2/Pro . It would be a Single Or Co Op played game with Player 2 Taking Control of Princess Daisy and the story is having to save Mario & Luigi from Bowser. Both Princesses use Umbrellas to attack but can use them in different ways depending on the power up they have (Fire Flower, Cat Bell, etc...) Then at the end of the game, The Plot Twist is that Bowser isn't the main Villain and that he was being mind controlled by the Alien From Super Mario Land (I forgot the Alien's name but he was the one that Kidnapped Daisy and was the main Villain in that game).

[@jorjebear9874]

It’s always been my head canon that Peaches parents died and she never got over her grief, so she never took the offical title of queen because it would be disrespectful to her mother.

[@SuperMonaLisaBros]

Maybe she sees Mario as a father figure.

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

my headcanon is that there was a war between the Mushroom Kingdom and wherever Bowser lives, which resulted in both sets of parents being assassinated. so that’s why Peach is being taken care of by Toadsworth and Bowser is being taken care of by Kamek. also that’s why there’s bad blood and they don’t really like each other.

[@oh.hey.2045]

@@SuperMonaLisaBros um. what.

[@somegenericguy2909]

@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 dude Bowser lives in his Koopa Kingdom

[@rachelsenf4826]

That's deep

[@DE23]

I've never thought about this that much.

[@CutieFakeKirby]

Well I did

[@theunreal_TOEBEANS]

I doubt it's the point! The little story was meant to be innocent and very simple. You're not supposed to think about whether Peach has parents because it's like, centered around children, and children don't think about their own parents much

[@PC6OP]

Same I haven’t really thought about it a lot

[@FlimmerBob]

That's what we are here for

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

I always thought of this as a kid because mario and wario both have brothers so I was curious with if Peach had a family. That and Matpat’s game theory on who Rosalina’s parents are got me asking big questions XD

[@TheGamersState]

"Bummer" Ah-ha! Now her Side-B in Smash makes perfect sense!

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

LOL

[@GeeMannn]

That was actually a good one lol

[@nox_luna]

💕 *_HA-CHA!_* 💖

[@King_Luigi]

"Bummer"? I hardly know 'er! ... _(ba-dum tsssh)_

[@alx3_le]

oh wow

[@Pelcurus]

I had a series of Super Mario "Choose Your Own Adventure" style books. There's a king mentioned in one of those.

[@ShadowWarriorLuke]

I had some of those myself. If I remember right they had some drawings and based the king off the one from the comics whenever he was depicted. He also got turned into a rabbit in one of them too, keeping with the whole animal transformation thing from Mario 3.

[@ThatDudeMossy]

Its called Nintendo Adventure Books?

[@CarthusDojo]

When it comes to peach saying “bummer” (6:30) and inheriting that from her mother that’s actually a common Japanese trope. Take for example Naruto who famously says “dattebayo” - something he inherited from his mother. While it’s often translated to “believe it” or “yah know?” It actually has NO meaning. It’s basically just a unique style of speech Naruto (and subsequently his mother) use for emphasis. While I can’t be 100% sure, I’d assume this translation of “bummer” is similarly just an attempt to translate something that can’t be translated from Nintendo perhaps. Hope this was helpful. Great video!

[@NobaraGamezzz]

Surprised to see you here

[@rubyy.7374]

I mean it makes sense, because those kinds of Japanese nuances simply don’t have an English equivalent as the emphasis/tone is assumed. Really hard to wrap my mind around as a learner.

[@DarkYamatoman]

These comics are american though, so there was no translation, and I seriously doubt they were getting any info from Nintendo of Japan while working on it

[@mrmythman5001]

100IQ

[@CarthusDojo]

@@DarkYamatoman As I said, this is simply a possibility. I know for other media franchises Japanese publishers/rights holders will send what is to be used in products not released in Japan to the West to be translated.

[@BellHillMayor]

For so many years I've always wanted to know what her parents looked like.

[@ThomasGameDocs]

your years of wait have come to an end!

[@Scorch-SkittishMCJames813]

@@ThomasGameDocs Unless these aren't canon. Then it was all a ruse!

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

@@ThomasGameDocs yes

[@heavenly4321-]

@@ThomasGameDocs I always wanted to know peaches parents ever since I played my first Mario game.

[@TheClassicGameBoy01]

@@heavenly4321- same

[@SpeedySteedyYT]

Thomas: Peach isn’t a queen Peach Simps: What did you say?

[@heroessquad2019]

🤣

[@justarandomguy5088]

It would be hard to simp for some game character from your childhood

[@trevorbeatz5741]

Lol

[@LightingMouse]

@@justarandomguy5088 unless you had a crush on peach has a kid and I bet some of us did

[@justarandomguy5088]

@@LightingMouse I’ve been playing Mario since I was 3 or 4 DS was the one I had very fond memories of excluding from my home console which was the Wii, I only and still care about the games and characters but not to that extent

[@LittlePixieBot]

In the 90s there were Mario choose-your-own-adventure books that featured Peach's father, the king. I read one of them where he got turned into a rabbit by Morton Koopa Jr. The king's design in them was pretty much identical to the ones on the American comics.

[@GuineaPigDan]

These tiny scraps of info on Peach’s parents are practically a treasure trove in comparison to what we know about Bowser Jr’s biological mother.

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

exactly! it’s the reason i hate Bowser Junior! the koopalings were adopted but Bowser Junior is obviously Bowser’s biological son, which means Bowser banged someone. EW. Peach was implied heavily to be his mother but then she was said not to be and they just kind of dropped it? even though Peach didn’t exactly deny it? it’s a mess

[@goatmilk1]

@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 Actually, Bowser didn't have to... y'know, for Bowser Jr to exist.

[@mr.gameandtime8432]

The Koopa Tribe has Black magic and Bowser isn't the best person... So.. Bowser Jr could be a illegitimate child that Bowser had outside marriage and took in for his Heir. No one can tell Bowser no in his choice of Heir because He's the boss.

[@sonofahorde5368]

I suppose his mother just "not important for the story" and was just unnamed reptile woman who died when she layed his egg or shortly after that.

[@PhantomOfficial07]

@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 A Stork probably just dropped Junior off like in Yoshi's Island

[@samueld8413]

He’s becoming British Game Theory, but instead of making stuff up he digs deep for the official confirmation. So Game Detective

[@adamp.3739]

I guess he was Sherlock Holmes all along!? But serious talk, it's good to see someone working off of actual proof instead of blathering nonsense out his own arse.

[@samueld8413]

@@adamp.3739 Next up from Thomas Game Docs: a two-second video called “Is Ness actually Sans” where he says “He isn’t” and the video ends

[@songokai2992]

Game theory but actually good

[@renatoalvisto8791]

Why do people keep saying that Game Theory makes stuff up?

[@samueld8413]

@@renatoalvisto8791 because he does in all of his lore videos

[@spudd86]

Peach could be a Princess Regent! There have been multiple countries ruled by someone with a "Prince" rank title.

[@carolinian2009]

True, the Mushroom "Kingdom" could in fact be a Principality. Or she could be Regent for her missing or deceased parents.

[@lewatoaofair2522]

Those are called “Principalities”.

[@AmericanCatlover2.0]

@@carolinian2009 It could be, but then why is it the mushroom KINGDOM, not the mushroom principality?

[@juiceecads3894]

"kingdom" has a nicer ring to it. additionally, in super mario odyssey every new place is referred to as a kingdom despite none of them other than the mushroom kingdom having a monarch for a ruler. it's likely less reflective of the actual functions of power and more of an in-universe rule

[@Rogeryoo]

@@juiceecads3894 so basically, their names for "countries" would be "kingdoms", regardless of monarchy. The mushroom and bowser's kingdoms are the exception, which have an actual monarchy, versus the rest, like metro, who have mayors or some other kind of ruling, democratic or not.

[@reper2976]

4:56 A dark green toad like king? Maybe he created 1-up mushrooms or something?

[@pavloverboy]

This feels like it would be right at home on Game Theory. I even thought the thumbnail was one of Matpat's videos and did a double-take when I saw the channel name. The only difference is that this is better written than whatever he's been up to these past few years.

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

i miss 2012 MatPat. screwattack logo in the corner, copyrighted music, and impact font memes for every word…also his theories back then ALMOST made sense.

[@hobbesfield1082]

almost wanted to say "prince/princess can be the height of the royal court in a principality" but then i remembered.. mushroom kingdom, not mushroom principality is it

[@carolinian2009]

Maybe she's a Regent?

[@tobimisa]

"kingdom" is used to describe all of the locations in odyssey despite the majority not having a monarchy at all, so in universe it's likely that "kingdom" is just used in place of "country"

[@kamikaze2812]

@@tobimisa I never realised that, maybe they do have a monarchy but they aren’t seen

[@nugboy420]

5:08 Peach’s dad is the Pringles Man?!?!

[@Bobs_your_uncle]

Mind blown

[@JoshiTheKitsune]

I wonder if he sales one of them Pringles as a hobby!

[@ShizuruNakatsu]

4:38 No wonder my mother always called the Koopa Troopas "ducks".

[@Astaroth73]

Everyone always ask "who's princess peach's parents?" But no one ask "where's princess peach's parents now?"

[@gelmanbegum9934]

Or even better How are princess Peach's parents now ?

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

I always found it peculiar how for The Princess of The "Mushroom" Kingdom, Peach's appearance does not resemble a mushroom. It left me wondering if The King and Queen are her biological parents.

[@Obscenerio]

As per Yoshi's Island, Peach is one of the Star Children who were dropped off by the Stork. Mario, Luigi, Wario, DK, Bowser, and Yoshi are the other star children who the storks delivered, so I'm not sure any of them have biological parents.

[@nimcie8377]

My headcanon is that she is a Toad, but a special type. I think it either works similar to that of a Gerudo where every 100 years a new Male Gerudo is born and becomes king, or like a Queen Bee. Because canonically there’s only two females in Mushroom Kingdom, Peach and Toadette. What I’m getting at is that NSMBU Deluxe makes this theory seem very possible because in it, Toadette for whatever reason turns into Peachette with a very similar design to Peach when she wears a crown. No reason to do that but they did it. Peach is a ‘human’ ruling an entire population of mushrooms, and the fact that Toadette can turn into a Peach identical is sketchy. With the Queen Bee theory, the way a hive works is there’s only one Queen Bee and when it dies, the bees pick a new specific type of bee and that one later transforms into the Queen Bee. Same could be with Toadette, she’s the special type of Toad, a female Toad and will transform into the next Peach when this one dies. And Toadsworth was referred to twice officially by Nintendo as the father of Peach, in Sunshine and Partners in Time, so make that as you will.

[@cbfranco3307]

@@nimcie8377 the bee theory? That awful theory from matpat? Has matpat not already proven with his stupid "Mario is mental" theory that he knows nothing about Mario?

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

@@cbfranco3307 just because mat pat makes a lot of terrible theories doesn't mean ALL of them are false. And trust me I am a HUGE mat pat hater but I'm not gonna automatically say every theory he makes is wrong.

[@carolinian2009]

@@nimcie8377 I'd just thought she always had a Super Mushroom for breakfast each morning. It's good to be the Princess!

[@imaksta]

I feel like the Mushroom Kingdom is so big and wealthy that Peach gets her own big ass castles and plots of land. The true elites are just behind the curtains, puppeteering the power and hierarchy of the Marioverse

[@GeeMannn]

King and Queen Toadstool look so cute together! Thanks for sharing

[@katherinekathie5258]

5:42 the kings hat is the Mario equivalent of money print

[@Pa_amb_tomaquet]

I think you could blame it on Disney, though. Back when I was in my My Litlle Pony fan days, I remember that the creators wanted to name the main ruler of Equestria “Queen Celestia”, but Hasbro told them to change that since in most Disney movies the queens were usually villains when princesses were the main (and favorite characters). That’s why she finally came to be “Princess Celestia”, even if her parents didn’t rule the land, and the villains could be treated as “King” or “Queen”. If you come to think about it, many kids’ franchises follow that Disney rule. Maybe it wasn’t always the intention in SMB’s case, but as it started growing in the West, they kinda started oppressing her parents. That also might be why we see a stupid king rather than a mother that might be considered evil. Edit: A proof of this is thas Peach/ Toadstool is a Princess when Bowser/Koopa is a King.

[@lewatoaofair2522]

Fucking Disney!

[@qualityghost]

I just came down here to comment the exact same thing, because coincidentally enough, I found out this exact fact today! Queens are just a lot less marketable and easy to look up to (apparently) because they're often so notoriously evil in media. I think the one exception to this I can think of is Elsa from Frozen, and even she was technically an antagonist in the first film. Pretty interesting stuff!

[@Pa_amb_tomaquet]

@@qualityghost I went into ressearching a little bit more today and I figured out that this happens because most princesses grow up without their mothers on Disney movies, and usually there's an evil stepmother, that tends to become the *queen*, who treats badly her daughter. I always tought of it as something that made it harder for kids to engage with their step parents. Anyways, thanks for reading such a long comment, it's good to see that I wasn't the only one who tought that!

[@TyGuy2462]

@@qualityghost I think you meant _more_ marketable, not less?

[@qualityghost]

@@TyGuy2462 whoops, I meant to say queens, not princesses. so... technically I *didn't* mean to say more marketable, lmao

[@HH-sn5qp]

Why doesn’t your voice sound like it used to?

[@ThomasGameDocs]

i got old

[@Giyothecoolkid2338]

@@ThomasGameDocs Albert Einstein level answer

[@Luingi]

@@ThomasGameDocs so puberty

[@HH-sn5qp]

@@ThomasGameDocs you age well at least

[@hunter-6125]

@@ThomasGameDocs TRUUUUUEEE

[@raphdraws]

I have to say, the artist illustrating peach's parents took a lot of inspiration from Aurora's family in Sleeping beauty, I first saw it in the similarity in both Princess Toadstool's crown as well as the queen's, and at 4:46 we can clearly see the same clothes from Aurora on P. Toadstool, as well as the outfits of King Stephen and Queen Leah for the parents ;D

[@raphdraws]

@@Blueness1230 nah nah it's literally the same design this is not how fashion history works

[@gamewisdomgaming]

Plot twist her parents are actually wario and waluigi

[@SuperMarioAaron64]

Noooooooo!

[@luigilover2429]

That would be the best plot twist

[@UncleUncleRj]

Wario's their father. Mario and the Princess turn out to be twins....

[@Messiah.Complex]

I always assumed Toadsworth was Peach's father and the King but just kind of retired. Letting Peach rule in place of him and she will become Queen when he passes away. (Explains why she's Princess Toadstool)

[@malachiroberts6198]

I also assumed this as a kid too.

[@notsuperbroz69]

Finally somebody actually understands. It’s toadsworth

[@GameyRaccoon]

toadsworth is the prime minister of the mushroom kingdom.

[@PhantomOfficial07]

Yeah this is gonna be my headcanon from now on, makes the most sense I think Toadsworth may have died tho since we have not seen him in a platformer since the DS, and haven't seen him at all since Dream Team in 2013, almost 10 years ago

[@treseancann1261]

I never understood why her parents were never revealed. Same with Daisy.

[@giselengimbi2705]

Daisy? Her castle was never revealed and you expect her parents?

[@NobaraGamezzz]

Daisy has a father though. Watch the super mario bros movie.

[@KingGisInDaHouse]

@@NobaraGamezzz not canon

[@VeilanYume]

@@KingGisInDaHouse The movie might not be, but there's a line in Mario Party 3 where Daisy talks about not losing to her father according to the Super Mario Wiki. www.mariowiki.com/Princess_Daisy It's in the section talking about her personality. So, for sure, it's at least canon in the Mario Party series that Daisy has a father. Still no word about a mother, though.

[@zipperooni]

Honestly I’d just love to see more of daisy’s character explored in general shes my fav in the whole Mario franchise yet rarely appears in mainline games

[@skylargray5642]

6:52 The Mushroom king looks like Mario Could it be Peach has Daddy issues? 💀

[@popculturesauce5367]

I can't help seeing the similarities of Jasmine's dad in Aladdin. It is a miracle that Peach was born in the first place.... lol!

[@commandantcousteau6874]

With their daughter never having a son,it's no wonder why they almost never show up.

[@hayleywaalen2612]

Or daughter!

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

I can already imagine Mario and Peach getting wheres grand kid envelopes lol.

[@loganmiller7827]

Baby Peach exists but if you go off of games like Yoshi's Island DS or Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time it seems unlikely that the babies are actually the character's children and are their actual baby versions of themselves that time traveled to join in on the Kart racing and baseball games so there's that

[@Pa_amb_tomaquet]

@@loganmiller7827 Considering that Peach got kidnapped in Partners in time, they've gotta be crazy to keep bringing those kids to the future back and forth. ...But thinking about that game, Peach had a babysitter that looked a lot like her father figure there, right? I don't think he's her biological father since he's a mushroom, but it would be fair enough if he was her adoptive father or something.

[@christywakeen229]

I just suddenly remembered the Fancomic where Mario and Peach have twin boys and Luigi and Daisy have a Daughter. Not quite sure why that came into mind when I saw this comment thread.

[@laneland]

The Grandma character in Mario RPG has the same localization problem as SMB, in the Japanese game her name translates to “maid”

[@VirtualScallop]

I know it's probably going to be said a fair amount of times, or has probably already even been said, but the coloring book version of the king reminds me of the Pringles logo

[@random_corner5376]

Well I did noticed a change with Peach since Super Mario 64. It started out as Princess Toadstool, and she signed her name “Peach” when writing a letter to Mario

[@Noah-gf3qd]

Now we need to know the parents of Mario, Luigi, Toad, Bowser, Donkey Kong, Rosilina, Toadette, Bowser Jr. and all of the other semi-relevant characters...

[@Yoshikarter1]

We actually see Mario's and Luigi's parents at the end of Yoshi's Island, (SNES) but not clear views of their faces. Bowser's Jr.'s father is obviously Bowser, but we don't know who his mother is/was. Rosalina's mother passed away and is buried under a tree on a hill, as told in the story Rosalina reads to the Lumas, but we don't know who her father is/was.

[@chocolixo]

There's mama mario from the super show lol

[@Noah-gf3qd]

@@chocolixo I know that, but I mean both parents of all of those characters

[@aedaniammx7559]

Let’s be real, in Yoshi’s Island/New Island we see Baby Mario and Baby Luigi delivered to their parents via stork, they’re almost certainly adopted.

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

fun fact: Wario is actually an orphan according to Yoshi’s Island DS.

[@Zveebo]

“bummer!” I was not expecting the prominence of this word in this video tbh 😅

[@tulpenbambus]

4:15 That's the same image Nintendo took as a background in the SM64DS casino gambling machine.

[@kevinkerkhoff6670]

Just wanted to say I love your use of the old Windows XP background at 6:33 and across your other videos. Always makes me nostalgic.

[@galactic4590]

This was an insane Discovery!

[@notsuperbroz69]

That toadsworth is the dad/king

[@thumtak_]

that she has parents? yeah no shit

[@lamasu8060]

7:01 I see where peach got that from lmao

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

7:13 I never thought I would ever hear that

[@bland9876]

as a kid i just assumed the king in the intro of mario 3 is her dad "help the KING has been transformed please find the magic wand so we can change him back"

[@KingYoshi93]

5:08 Omg, this design for the king looks kinda cursed. 💀

[@Portersona69420]

The Secret origins of the SMG4 universe: 7:12

[@RedoCasshan]

Underrated coment

[@JammerRammy]

That was a really cool deep dive in more obscure Mario media! Now I want to check out those old japanese guides

[@nerdsmyspiritanimal2676]

You do know Peach came from a Stork like Mario and Luigi. However that works, perhaps an order was placed for Peach, but her parents died from unknown reasons her parents died before they were delivered.

[@sasamichan]

I always felt that we HAD seen the King in either SMB3 or in the live action film. I know we see Zelda's Father a few different ways. and I thought there was a king in the Mario Anime but that could have been some one else. Nintendo Power also had comics but I suppose he wasn't in those either?

[@carolinian2009]

The key with Zelda is that they're different Zeldas and thus, different Dads/Kings, but in several Zelda games, there's no mention of a King at all. In Twilight Princess, it's Zelda on the throne, surrendering the Kingdom to Zant. In Spirit Tracks, Zelda sits on the Throne (but has an evil Chancellor bossing her around).

[@sasamichan]

@@carolinian2009 and yet we see a king in Link to the Past, as well as some non-canon sources. I'll name the one I know for certain. I think there was one in OoT. and There's a king in Wind Waker. but I don't know the full history. that's why I said Some.

[@disventureinkmaster]

Live action movie but it's daisy's dad

[@notsuperbroz69]

Have you ever heard of Mario sunshine… toadsworth exist you know?

[@iyadlamouri6572]

My psychiatrist: mario lore isn't real, he can't hurt you mario lore:

[@General_Taylor]

7:21 "Its so effective it has no effect!"

[@cendrecovfefe2496]

Your channel is one of the best I know. 1. I'm learning 2. You're investigating yourself 3. Understandable for non English speakers (I'm french) 4. It's entertaining Keep going !

[@bigbigbigbigbigman]

So technically it's the Mushroom Principality.

[@JezzaWest]

Not officially

[@AsecasJavi]

Candy kingdom even if she's princess bubblegum too

[@AmericanCatlover2.0]

This is a common issue in fiction, Candy kingdom, kingdom of equestria, etcetera etcetera.

[@b1nary_f1nary]

No cos it's not on earth. Earth rules don't apply :D

[@DylanMatthewTurner]

I always assumed it was Toadsworth and that she was named princess because she was a special Toad that was tall and human-like. That's why Toadsworth gets to be in the palace, but clearly isn't king

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

That would be weird.

[@Rogeryoo]

I personally thought he was just her butler/caretaker ever since she was a baby, which is what he probably is.

[@aedaniammx7559]

I never thought about it that way, but I guess it is possible... Partners in Time shows that the ages line up, and even as a baby no one else is around her at least

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

i thought Peach called Toadsworth dad in one game. i can’t remember which one tho.

[@heavenly4321-]

"The king is stupid and always gets kidnapped" Me: father and daughter vibes I can relate so much 😭😀😂

[@KingGisInDaHouse]

7:33 like that one episode of futurama

[@KingYoshi93]

I love your channel! 🥰

[@ThomasGameDocs]

Thank you!!

[@gljames24]

She is still called princess Toadstool. It's princess Peach Toadstool.

[@MetaDash]

Technically yes, but like Eggman vs. Robotnik, one name is a product of English localization and not in the Japanese versions. Peach was always Peach.

[@sometf2player752]

According to super Mario 64 its princess toadstool peach

[@SablePaintbrush]

@@sometf2player752 No, that 'Peach' at the end is enunciated in such a way to imply a first or a nickname.

[@realreptillianjesus]

I like to think that Toadstool is Peaches' last name and that they only started to refer to her first name after mario 64.

[@testaccount4830]

4:45 read the text beside the bloody image.

[@masont.3198]

Didn't even notice that until you pointed it out. Good eye there, m8.

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Yes, that's not the queen. That's Peach!

[@chloec4127]

I find it hilarious that obscure and outdated lore is found in the original manuals or the comics. Like the original Hero of Hyrule from the first Zelda game isn’t even Hyrulean, he’s from a place called Calatia and he has actual parents.

[@KingYoshi93]

6:40 Hm, so do you think the queen lives somewhere else in this universe? Or is she dead? 💀

[@jairoliradeamorimjr3262]

Thomas: But other than that, the Queen is never mentioned in any of these comics. Me: What a bummer...

[@GMaster4308]

Only OGs will remember "Who are Princess Peach's parents?"

[@GoodVibeWolf]

I DOOO

[@chilelonestr]

ME TO

[@dihte1628]

Yeah It's Weird That He Changed The Title

[@GMaster4308]

@@dihte1628 Weird

[@darenksatrio6326]

@@dihte1628 and the thumnail

[@Sly88Frye]

This was well detailed and well explained, but I couldn't help but expect to see that funny classic short video from Dorkly when Peach's father doesn't want her to marry an Italian

[@Krypto.o]

Your voice is so soothing bro If you made a documentary about water bottles I’d watch it

[@thewierdhurchin8209]

9:42 cursed toad

[@turtle4llama]

"She's a princess, not a queen. Surely there are monarchs above her." *Wales has entered chat*

[@demonfries_8008]

*laughs in welsh*

[@Bacchus325]

Oh man I have one of those comics and there's actually a cassette tape which is a read aloud with fully voiced characters including the King.

[@MaybeImSkittleMaybeImNot]

I've been asking my mom this from over a year

[@imaksta]

I really like how Thomas says the word "Japaneeeeese"

[@ChrisDoc]

I’ve always wondered this!!! Great video!! 🙌🏼

[@ninjagamer1359]

My goodness your videos are so interesting and informative. You really do so well with the research, and always present it in an entertaining and intriguing way. That’s it, I’m subbing.

[@havk.]

I actually kinda wish these two got more attention. Maybe they could make a return similar to how Pauline did?

[@R.K_Chalkboard]

I think the more cannon option is that she doesn't have parents, she's an orphan. She never gets to see her parents, and so we don't either. The exist, they have personalities, and now we know what they look like, but she never gets to see them.

[@sprinklesplash810]

Lol I assumed this was a Princess Celestia (from My Little Pony) situation where the Princess character has no parents and should be queen but prefer to be called Princess/ the creators want the more marketable title of Princess for their main female character.

[@ThaneGaming]

2:07 - Mato's Legend of Localization site is one my favorites! That's where I learned Bullet Bills are just called "Killers" in Japanese 😅

[@Iroh72]

Omg you have the cutest way of saying "bye"

[@freakshowpuppet7287]

Why are you a Simp?

[@matteo1462]

@@freakshowpuppet7287 ???

[@eledestiny9400]

Although, I was sure that in the "Mario and Luigi- Partners in Time" games, Peach's father appeared quite a lot and had pretty important scenes dedicated to him that showed his personality along with the love he felt for his daughter that was finally blooming to take over the kingdom but got somehow trapped in the past eras (I won't spoiler why or how for those who have yet to play it). Maybe I'm missing something here (?) That was not the father we are looking for (?)

[@wilsonso5784]

Pretty sure that was Toadsworth.

[@eledestiny9400]

@@wilsonso5784 So He was not the king...? My life has been a lie this whole time😳

[@destinyfate5779]

I believe that peaches’ story is now retconned since the newest Mario movie came out, it is implied that she came from earth through the pipe and the toads took her in raising peach as there own and when she became age she was princess of the mushroom kingdom so I believe her parents are from earth

[@SarahKahlan]

Oh wow I was just thinking about this yesterday. Nice video!!

[@KingYoshi93]

4:00 How "official" are these guide books? And why are there no actual Toads in the image? I find Peach's design a little weird since this is not even what she looks like in SMB.

[@astrocandy148]

I don't know how official it is, but like 90% of characters in video game art back then looked different from their in-game design.

[@IsomerMashups]

It could also be the case that she has ceremonial clothes and everyday clothes, and this is her ceremonial outfit.

[@AWESOMEMANOG]

The fact he gets kidnapped makes me know where peach gets it from

[@georgieramone]

I had some of those Mario comics as a kid. There were some pretty funny ones.

[@SPac316]

I used to have that Super Mario Paint N Marker book as a kid. I'm glad you talked about it because I remember seeing the king in it. Anyway, I'm always gonna assume she is Princess Peach Toadstool, daughter of King and Queen Toadstool of the Mushroom Kingdom.

[@Ind0nesiannationalteamgoated]

Super mario bros movie: *Throws this vid out of the window*

[@williamruiz5965]

Hey all, hope your day is going well!

[@vonBelfry]

There's a series of Mario choose-your-own-adventure books that has a few mentions of Peach's father too.

[@sararamosortega7044]

In a game called "Mario and Luigi Partners in time" one of the principal characters is the father of the princess Peach, the "king". He calls her his daughter so it's cannon

[@sararamosortega7044]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJPLlKOKedWgY9E This is the link of the full game

[@DaisyInA_Bag]

This is sad since the movie came out and just proved him wrong..

[@idontknowwhattoputmyuserna8289]

How does it? I've seen the movie and it doesn't mention her parents at all.

[@ninesalmas]

@@idontknowwhattoputmyuserna8289 it explains that peach dosent remember her life as a human and was adopted from the Toads when she was a baby they also mention that they waited until she was ready to become their Princess so technically there is no king or queen

[@idontknowwhattoputmyuserna8289]

@@ninesalmas That's the point; she doesn't remember them. Maybe she was sent to that world for a reason. There was no particular reason she was crowned Princess, I mean, why her? And why was she given the title of princess and not queen? Maybe the toads knew her parents were king and queen but she isn't ready to know yet.

[@ninesalmas]

@@idontknowwhattoputmyuserna8289 yes but maybe she is just not ready enough to be the Queen yk? And if they knew the king or the queen they would’ve bring her back to her family don’t you think?

[@idontknowwhattoputmyuserna8289]

@@ninesalmas Her family is most likely dead, hence the reason they're keeping it from her.

[@xgx3657]

*mario dies* Peach: _bummer_

[@That_Guy3604]

Peach's father also appears in Super Mario RPG for the snes (which I'm not sure is canon) he has a full personality and everything, there is no mention of his wife though

[@ericriley1985]

Um, no, he doesn't.

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis! Thanks for uploading!

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

Let's start a petition to put Princess Peach's parents in the next Mario game!

[@FullyOnVolks]

“Princess Peachs’ Parents” Try saying that 20 times in a row

[@mrmikeboy8738]

I actually remember playing smb3 and at the end of every world you got greeted by the king of the mushroom Kingdom, I remember that

[@detox9865]

i've been listening to the podcast "8 bit book club" recently and they do a few super mario bros "choose your own adventure" books--in one, the king is turned into a rabbit. i think it was the "leaping lizards" book. idk if these are canonical though.

[@SnorticusClavicus]

whos marios parents? whos bowsers parents? whos toads parents? whos Yoshis parents? Whos donkey kongs parents? Does it matter? No. they're fictional game characters but still a good video none the less.

[@isaacrodriguez4773]

Since Super Show Mario and Luigi’s Mom of course or is you Watch Luigi’s day out.

[@HighPriestFuneral]

It's not so important in this case other than the title of Princess, implying a King/Queen existing, at least at one point in time, so this kind of topic makes a deal of sense to explore.

[@IAMTHESTARMAN]

You neglected a huuuuuge portion of the lore that was recently introduced! Especially in regards to “Grandma” being blood-related. Toadette turns into Peachette. It’s shown that only the female Toadette can turn into her using the Crown Mushroom. So it’s kind of like a bee hierarchy where the Toads are the worker bees and the females are the Queens. Like bees, Toadette and Peach may share the same genes. Female worker bees have the potential to become Queens depending on their diet. (Just like Toadette). So chances are that Peach was once a Toadette. Thusly, she could certainly be related to Grandma.

[@yoshig5278]

Except we’ve seen Peach as a human baby. Unless she was given one of those mushrooms at a very young age?

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

just replying to bump this comment because that’s what i believe too

[@hyrulehero529]

So 1. You got this from Game Theory Or 2. You know this yourself and you’re big brain

[@IAMTHESTARMAN]

Both. I know how bees work, also, seen the video.

[@hyrulehero529]

@@IAMTHESTARMAN noice

[@mybabydoritotoad1734]

your videos are so amazing to watch! keep up the good work dude :D