Who Is The Cringiest Person In All Of History?

[@lorisuprifranz]

King Taejong of Korea was pretty cringe: he was always followed by scribes employed in recording the annals of his reign. One day he fell from a Horse and tried to order the scribes to not record that, but instead they did and also wrote about everything he did to try and erase that embarrassing event. He failed spectacularly and now he is remembered mainly for falling from a Horse

[@speedyx3493]

The OG Streisand effect

[@FurikoMaru]

One of my petty little 'celebrity time traveller' fantasies is to contrive a way to be introduced to Taejong so I can say "Oh right! The guy who fell off his horse that one time!" Ideally after Korea in general knew I was a time traveller.

[@hueytran815]

❤❤

[@joshuacrisanto7419]

this gotta be the closest to actual cringe a historical figure is. most comments just give examples of terrible people, which is not what cringe exactly is

[@beatlemania8273]

I think this proves the independence and authority the scribes had and also their impartiality. That makes the Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty produced by these scribes one of the most important historic documents. But outside of this instance Taejong was pretty ruthless and also kinda based. He was the right hand man of his father, Taejo, the founder of the Joseon Dynasty. He launched a coup against his father and purged his siblings and their supporters and cemented his place as the crown prince. He also purged the in-laws of his son to prevent them from potentially taking over the court and undermining the king's authority, paving the way to a peaceful transfer of power for that son. That son would later become King Sejong the Great, who is considered by many to be one of the greatest rulers in the history of the Korean Peninsula that ushered in a golden age during Early Joseon.

[@pwojo9776]

I don't know if this is cringe per-say, but there's this one Ancient Sumerian copper merchant who was renowned for selling absolute dogshit copper, there's a wikipedia page about him, his name was Ea-nasir. Like, there are numerous complaint tablets addressed to the same man and the quality of his sub-par copper; like they had to work and put money in to get their point across and this man kept stacks of these tablets in his home. HE KEPT THESE COMPLAINTS!!! Imagine being only known because of all these negative reviews on Yelp and these reviews circulate 3000+ years into the future.

[@ropesnake]

Ea-nasir was based, not cringe. He didn't give a single fuck

[@PerfectSense77]

Man, I instantly thought of this guy when they got to the history question haha.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

No that's a Chad move

[@7792pnaurfr]

​@@ropesnakethis comment cringe asf

[@ropesnake]

@@7792pnaurfr no u

[@ROY57ON]

Trying to find the most cringe figure is history is difficult when you realise royalty and incest go hand in hand.

[@copycrow4486]

Case and point, the Habsburgs

[@Subpar1O1]

​@@copycrow4486it's impressive in a fucked up way that they were literally so inbred their jaws literally got a name

[@Scarshadow666]

It's also hard because every country has it's bloody skeletons in it's closet and human beings have always been flawed. Like after hearing about people getting their jollies off at public executions and witch trials back in the day, the bigger challenge would probably be to keep people from becoming misanthropes while learning about history (which is why history occasionally has some good things mentioned here and there, or at least things that fall into good-intentions-pave-the-way-to-hell mentalities). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@thesos5880]

The guy who killed archduke Franz Ferdinand was at a sandwich shop, there isn’t enough data to be sure why he was there but he MIGHT have been eating a sandwich to feel better about having just failed his first assassination attempt. All of a sudden the archduke’s driver takes a wrong turn and gets stuck right in front of the sandwich shop. The assassin (who is like 19) takes a shot and that’s how ww1 started (for more information I recommend extra history, the seminal tragedy)

[@nont18411]

One of the deadliest wars in history happened because a random turn.

[@wchan39]

​@@nont18411 And a sandwich.

[@niccolorichter1488]

so the sandwich thing is a myth it was a cafeteria

[@basementdwellercosplay]

It's also believed he may have bailed on the mission and when to mix into the public by going to eat, and the opportunity hit and he decided to take it

[@De_rekening_a.u.b.]

Ah good old princip.

[@EcdsKO1323O]

King Louis XVI would be considered one of the most cringe. He was so cringe, France rebelled against him and took his title of King. His wife basically emasculated him and he was pretty weak-willed when he was a king. He also went out sad by trying to run away from France and getting caught and executed along with his wife.

[@nanashi7779]

He had big shoes to live up to... imagine your previous two predecessors being known as 'The Beloved' and 'The Sun King'

[@EcdsKO1323O]

@@nanashi7779 Similar to the last Russian czar, Nicolas II. They weren't cut out to lead a country.

[@Ruuinx]

France doing French things

[@MrMatchstick]

Dude don't do him dirty like that. It wasn't 16 who was horrible it was 15. 16 just had to deal with the fallout of 15s lack of any policy whatsoever. 15 spent most of his reign in a harem house that was run by his mistress and lost incredible amounts of the colonial empire in the 7 years war. 16 was admittedly just okay but that wasn't enough to deal with the fuckup that 15 left. And Marie Antoinette was not a slut nor as excessive as her reputation says. She was just an Habsburg Austrian the people the French had spent the past several centuries at war with so she was made a scapegoat.

[@boceksiadam]

@@MrMatchstick 👆This guy knows what he is talking about. Louis 16 was simply a insecure dude. I don't believe he had a bad bone in his body. I would hang out with Louis. Unlike a lot of Roman emperors like, Tiberius, Nero, Caligula, Elagabalus etc.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

As someone without a BFF I see that question as an absolute win

[@user-kd5ur5mi4o]

No offence not having a bff is like not having a life cause a bff is a requirment in your life Tbh then what are you even living for? Like think about it you will make your wife the closest person with whom you'll enjoy your life and have no one else to talk to

[@FurikoMaru]

Depending on who you believe, Henry VIII ended up annulling his marriage to Anne of Cleves because she called him cringe.

[@maxmagnus377]

I'll choose to believe you

[@dumbdumb8526]

Ok but like with king Henry 8th, his 4th wife (anne of cleves), was named the kings honorary sister. She was gifted her own palace, land, wealth and had more freedom than any noble woman of the time. The king was basically her sugar daddy, all because he was apparently catfished by a portrait.

[@dumbdumb8526]

Btw, records suggest that she wasn’t even ugly in the first place and actually looked like her portrait, I mean the painter still kept his job. The king was just butt hurt that she found him gross. (Some of this may be incorrect, I cba source hunting for a KZbin comment)

[@emondadon]

it might be Sigmund Freud ngl. he literally exposed in his work that he was in love with his mother and hated his father. not to mention the stuff with his wife. i think he's got it

[@MajorMalfunction]

Psychologists study psychology to either try to fix their own problems, or learn how to better manipulate other people. I don't trust them.

[@ajs787]

True, but unlike the Hapsburgs, he didn't actually do anything with said mother, despite REALLY wanting to. So I think it still goes to the Hapsburgs, but only barely. That chin was such an issue that even after the family stopped inbreeding, the remnants remain with their descendants, such as Spain's current king, Felipe VI. Not very obvious like his ancestors, but you can see it when he's clean shaven.

[@speedyx3493]

I mean yeah, but he also pretty much invented psychoanalysis which is still pretty much the backbone of modern therapy and has also made a lasting impact on the field of psychiatry. His work is pretty much what Darwin did for biology but for psychiatry. We of course now have way better theories than those of Freud and Darwin and a lot of what those two thought is right was later proven wrong but their contributions to their respective fields were HUGE. The fact that he exposed his own underlying SUBCONCIOUS psychological problems thru his work kinda proved his point if anything

[@dorcat2867]

He literally came up with this entire idea that men secretly want to bang their mom, like he thought what he was feeling was something every man felt, when spoiler alert, it was just a him problem, that’s pretty cringe

[@zmejgorynyts]

The question on whether you'd rather go down in history for doing something bad or be completely forgotten depends on whether you put it in the context of the time period. For example a person lobbying for gay rights would've been seen in a bad light in the 50s or 60s, even if after the fact their influence would be seen as positive. Sometimes you can't even know if your influence has been for better or for worse until after you're gone. In that sense it's a complicated question.

[@7792pnaurfr]

The only people who would think lobbying for gay rights in the 50s and 60s are pieces of crap

[@g100-w6j]

Love ur perspective like i didn't think of it in this way at all

[@vulkendov5210]

Or like hitler, he's always been seen as a bad guy but now some people are starting to think otherwise (for some God forsaken reason)

[@Ash_Wen-li]

"Hold on! Let him cook!" The next day "uhh dad, I cooked and there's a bun in the oven"

[@ivanwilliams7413]

💀 at "My dad would be like Yujiro!"

[@imsomewhatcertain1024]

The Cringiest person in all history, in my opinion, is Steven Seagal. He, like other infamous actors, is an actor Hollywood wants to forget. While he hasn’t committed any serious crimes, such as sexual crimes or murder, he is mostly known for being a BIG liar. Some of the things he has lied about include: - Fighting the Yakuza. - Disarming an actual nuke (yes, he actually claimed he did this). - Trained CIA agents. Next to lies, Seagal is also known for being a horrible person off camera. Some of the terrible things he’s done include: - Stole money from a disabled kid; while in elementary school. - Physically hurting actors and movie staff he’s worked with. - Was rude and unreasonable during filming movies and shows. - Killed a dog while filming his “Lawman” reality show. Seagal is currently resides in Russia, and the main reason he moved there is due to the American public showing how much they don’t like him anymore. Since moving to Russia, he has showed massive support for the authoritarian regimes of Russia and Belarus.

[@squatch1565]

Thinking about it, I would love to use a time machine to go back in time and call some famous people cringe. I’d probably start with some king who initiated and lost a war, maybe Xerxes of Persia. “Your highness, you needed inside help to beat a force of only 500 soldiers. That’s pretty cringe.”

[@mightycannon1512]

He probably be like what language is this guy speaking

[@squatch1565]

@@mightycannon1512 I’d have a universal language device so he could understand me, otherwise there’d be no point

[@mightycannon1512]

@@squatch1565 real and you would die in ten mins Max also you would kinda transmit a ton of diseases and may wipe out humanity who knows

[@quanhominh4995]

​@@squatch1565You also need to explain to them what cringe mean

[@7792pnaurfr]

​@@squatch1565now this is cringe. What a pointless comment

[@kenocastro3135]

Pink Guy still haunts Joji til this day

[@Abominatrix650]

The worst BO I've ever smelt is the one that I've also been able to SEE. Summer 2013, I was in Tesco, I see a man ahead of me in the aisle that I'm in. I also notice what appeared to be a blurry area of air, much like when you look out across the distance on a warm day and notice that you can see the heat of said day, making the light/imagery blurry. I walked past the man and found that it was a full-on stink wave. I walked through it. Smelled like rotting garbage. Worst scent I've ever smelt coming from a human. Watch out for these rogue blur-clouds. If you see one, avoid it like the plague. Oh God, I am living what feels like the first option of number 4! School friends sort of just do their own thing, even though you can but don't keep in contact with them. Sixth Form/College friends just quietly leave. Uni friends return to the areas of the country/world they came from, even though you like them. Thank God I still have my BFF, especially since I lost the one I had in uni (he's not dead, he just doesn't wanna speak to me after I fucked it up) Weird take but I would have to pick me being the one doing the walking in on. Because it's the only realistic option within my life. Critically because I get no girls and even if I did, I still live with my family, that would be a no-go. Plus I have a small bedroom that can barely accommodate my armspan. I cannot bring a girl back to a single bed. At least with the option I have chosen, I can walk away ASAP and can buy a drink or watch a movie or something

[@MajorMalfunction]

I reckon that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I've smelt some hobos from 20 metres across the street in the wrong wind. Strong enough to wrinkle my nose and hold my breath.

[@Abominatrix650]

@@MajorMalfunction No exaggeration, I know what I saw. Memory of the smell fades with time but the blur cloud is a clear memory to me

[@MajorMalfunction]

@@Abominatrix650 Were you on MDMA, or perhaps you have Synesthesia? :)

[@nightfairy299]

This doesn't count but i had a friend who had really smelly shoes, and one day it rained and her shoes got soaked. The smell was like rotting meat, worst thing i have smelled

[@basementdwellercosplay]

As a historian, that conversation is extremely hard and depends on what historian you talk to.

[@lorisuprifranz]

I would say that Marcus Calpurnius Bibolus was pretty Cringe: he started his political career sharing his term as Aedile with Caesar, that completely overshadowed him in every way. Bibolus then tried and failed to oppose Ceasar in everything, but was still chosen by a minority faction in the senate to run as consul against Caesar. So they became both Consuls in the same year, but Caesar overshadowed him and blocked his actions with the help of the Tribune of the Plebs. That broke Bibolus to the point that he hid in his home for the rest of his term, sometimes trying to veto the senatorial meetings by mail. For context: the Consulate was a Roman's pinnacle of prestige and power. A Consul had the authority to lead armies and shape the laws of the republic in crucial ways. Often the names of Consules where often used instead of a year's number, so for example the Year 59 bc (so 695 in the Roman Calendar) should have been the Year of Ceasar and Bibolus. But Bibolus was so lame that it was only called the Year o Caesar. At the end of the term: Bibolus showed up one last time to try and veto the proceedings of the next elections, but he was ignored and smeared with poop on the public sqare by the plebeans. After that Bibolus spent his term as a Proconsul in Syria, where he repelled an invasion but was hated by his legionaries because he tried to paint himself as the main saviour of the province. He then was on the side of Pompey during the Civil War, with the mission to stop Ceasar's fleet from crossing the Adriatic or at least cut off his supplies. He failed to do any of that which was an important factor for Ceasar's eventual victory over Pompey.

[@throstlewanion]

I need everyone to read this Wikipedia entry on Thomas Midgley, the guy who invented leaded gasoline: His legacy is one of inventing the two chemicals that did the greatest environmental damage. Environmental historian J. R. McNeill stated that he "had more adverse impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth's history." Author Bill Bryson remarked that he possessed "an instinct for the regrettable that was almost uncanny." Science writer Fred Pearce described him as a "one-man environmental disaster".

[@jacopocroce59]

Pope Bonifacio VIII was probably the cringiest pope of history. He was so cringe, Dante put him in a pit of fire in hell. And he was a pope!

[@ironduke3780]

All Patriarchs of Rome were/are cringe!

[@falx1975]

Both my parents walked in on me, on separate occasions, looking at porn on the computer. Both said the exact same thing, "Don't do that again, and you're lucky I don't tell (your mom/your dad)!" After the second time I realized I'd used up pretty much all my childhood supply of luck and quickly learned how to become much sneakier. I even learned enough basic commands to have had a fucking batch executable setup that I could run in an emergency and it would (without displaying anything on the screen) silently copy all my porn to another hidden folder with a password. This was some serious MS-Dos shit. I used to be so smart as a kid, now I'm just a regular dumbass lol.

[@caoilte8097]

Who asked

[@anti8666]

@@caoilte8097i did

[@2Kaleb]

The boys were referring to sex not porn...

[@MajorMalfunction]

@@2Kaleb Porn, wank, sex. I've seen it all. One time my mother-in-law walked in while I was balls-deep in her daughter, and she yelled, "Jeez, Mum! Get out!" I just laughed. The fun of multi-generational homes. :)

[@7792pnaurfr]

Watching porn? That's it? Who the hell gives a shit?

[@GarrettFruge]

The question about would you rather walk in on your parents, or them walk in on you reminded me of that episode of King of the Hill where Hank went temporarily blind after accidentally walking in on his Mom getting railed by the old dude on the kitchen table. 😂

[@ThomasCuerden]

Emperor Commodus was killed in the bathroom by a wrestler. Is that cringe?

[@PerfectSense77]

Commodus’s Wikipedia page is definitely a cringe compilation.

[@princesserika9899]

1:48 I feel like I've already done that. I lost several friends because we simply lost touch or grew apart, however, I don't actually have a BFF, just a Best Friend. Well, I do, but they're my online BFF, not in real life. Idk if that counts. So, I'd rather lose my BFF in real life and keep all my close mates. BUT! If it's my BFF online, then I'd rather lose all my friends and keep them instead.

[@Maher4869]

What's the the difference between bff and best friend

[@TurinTurambar200]

I've never walked in on my parents or vice versa, but I did find my father's stash of porn on a ZIP drive disk (for those not old enough, imagine an extra thick floppy disk that can hold over 100MB. It's functionally the precursor to a USB stick)

[@MajorMalfunction]

I'll do you one better. I found my uncle's stash of nudie magazines in an old washing machine in his garage. It was a literal treasure trove. :)

[@MajorMalfunction]

I've walked in on my parents, and they've walked in on me. And I've walked in on my kids. It's just "Whoops. Sorry." Close the door. Does ruin the moment, 'tho... :)

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Sounds like your entire family needs to learn to knock first

[@MajorMalfunction]

@@Ash_Wen-li Yes, we did. :)

[@danielkeliger5514]

I was quiet confused as I thought walking on someome means steping on the other person’s body.

[@ninjaydes]

Sora the Troll probably won't be remembered 100 years from now. History is merciless like that.

[@conormurphy4328]

I see these scholars don’t realise how based Henry VIII was

[@mirandabee2323]

To my understanding, he was a based friend but at best a cringe husband and father.

[@PrincessLockette]

I hope you're joking

[@aurthurpendragon1015]

Creating a new religion to get around divorce laws is probably the most based thing King Henry 8th ever did, tbh. 😂😂

[@mememagician97]

Philosopher Immanuel Kant was a notorious man baby, he never left his hometown and when he ran out of coffee he would throw a fit and scream "HELP HELP IM DROWNING" till his servant showed up with more and he would shout "Land, land! my dear friends, I see land.” lolcow levels of cringe.

[@jimathybindlenim6359]

Genghis Kahn. Just daily aggressive grape

[@Carlos-ne3zf]

7:52 they did, it was a whole ass profession, they were jesters, the whole concept of jester's privilege was being the only one who could safely call the king cringe

[@TehWhiteTiger]

We all know Garnt would be into it if a sibling walked in on him.

[@ChosenJuan1542]

Seen Napoleon? My boi was looking pretty cringe lol

[@TheCreepypro]

fame is never worth it

[@Redpandak-]

Bo= body Oder

[@kimochapman2009]

I remember walking in on my parents when I was like 6-7, and I cried in the doorway and yelled at them “you don’t love me!!!” And now being older I realize that must’ve been the weirdest interaction we ever had 😂

[@Scarshadow666]

Research enough history, and at some point it becomes clear that all of humanity has had moments of cringe for centuries, and there's no way of avoiding the cringe when humanity has had a long history of committing bloody attrocities to each other/their environment sometimes. And unfortunately, most people would rather rewrite the history books and/or ignore history than to face what makes them cringe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@esrohm6460]

How about that one guy who fell of his horse told his men specifically not to write it down and they not only wrote it down but also wrote down they where told not to write it down. That's how they spread cringe back in the day

[@dianelipson5420]

I mean….Nero was cringe and he got called cringe? Caligula was cringe and possibly inbred…. You can’t go wrong with Ancient Rome for cringe? Who makes their horse a Senator? Update? It’s on PubMed Central; Caligula: a neuropsychiatric explanation of his madness

[@kilroy6806]

Dude, making a horse a Senator is awesome

[@kalixascsi66]

Caligula is a product of the Romans using lead pipes and horrific childhood trauma more than inbreeding.

[@twiddlerat9920]

Wasn't alot of stuff about caligula exaggerated by people in the senate who didn't like him

[@dianelipson5420]

@@twiddlerat9920 well, that might actually be more true for Nero?😁 Caligula had a severe illness when he was 25, may have been epileptic psychosis, may have been lead poisoning, but his behavior deteriorated badly after that. There a paper on it on the NIH website I think?

[@dianelipson5420]

@@kilroy6806 I mean…now it makes more sense? 😂

[@fr8964]

Why is connor in the thumbnail

[@thechosenone5644]

Easily Grug the Gooner. his name may be forgotten my most, but he wrote a pictoral representation of his name on a cave wall one time. he would stay inside his cave wanking to the pictures on the wall instead of gathering food. when his group came back, he would beg for delicious gamebird meat, plucked of any bone. the group only tolerated him for his admittedly excellent storytelling abilities and their own amusement.

[@icdeadpipol]

for a minute I thought the topic was Back Orifice.

[@leparadis3009]

What does "BO" mean ?

[@callumwynne5370]

Charles II of Spain of the Habsburg Dynasty was most inbred monarch to date. Literally Just 1st cousin, aunt and nephew, niece and uncle marriages in his ancestral family tree.

[@Benito-lr8mz]

But not a pschycopatic sexist murder .

[@gokutricolor1914]

He was so inbred that when you read, you start to feel impressed for how long he stayed alive

[@bigboi7817]

I've had both with no 5. I preferred getting walked in on but it was still very awkward.

[@sravanpatri5851]

Hitlers ideals were so cringe that even ww2 madmen said stop

[@LuisFelipe-vn7pe]

I don't know what B.O. is, and at this point I'm too scared to ask...

[@nicholasdoe5017]

Marie Antoinette was so cringe they cut her head off.

[@taxinvasion260]

_"History is written by the Cringiest"_

[@tomo_ka3040]

where did joey get that arasaka sweater

[@justdracir8197]

The guy that set the Temple of Artemis on fire because he wanted to be remembered. That´s one of the biggest cringers in history. Also i´m surprised that the boys didnt get on the Habsburgs which hold the reign over the HRE for a very long time.

[@kissyinu9670]

One of the best ones is the king of Sweden that died cause he ate too many Swedish cream puffs for dessert. 😂

[@thesingerperson]

starts at 7:06

[@karebushmarebu233]

It depends on our perception of the awful deeds/time passed. Like Hitler, awful, disgusting, vommit inducing. But people learn “Ghengis khan is directly related to X percentage of the modern population due to the all the R*ping” and people are like “damn that’s impressive”

[@clsandals9926]

This is just proof these 3 don't know history

[@starrk7158]

who's the cringiest in history? the life of the dude that had to walk behind royalty to smell their farts so that Royalty never stank. Literally the fall guy in every scenario in high society of that time.

[@Sizdothyx]

Me. I am the cringiest person in all history.

[@maxvp2696]

Nevil Chamberlain

[@shanicestella2226]

I think Emperor Constantine is a cringe fest for me Every politicians that utilize religion to gaining political supremacy is a cringe fest for me , Basically every Abrahamic religions always marries political tension in centuries of human history

[@ironduke3780]

lol what? The Constantine the Great is a Saint. He was responsible in building Constantinople and would be responsible for extending the existence of the Roman Empire until 1453. Besides, Constantine legalised Christianity which was not the dominant nor the most popular sect at that time. You can blame Theodosius the Great for turning Christianity into the official religion of the Empire.

[@firestorm117]

Emperor Nero of Rome was probably the cringiest. Called himself an artist but no one could stand his art, mother complex, literal neckbeard, looked like the "ermmm akshually" guy

[@real2end]

I will to in a high school I chose smell bo for a career

[@SJrad]

Yeah i rather walk in on parents. idk id probably get in big trouble getting walked in on because they’re religious

[@jerekoiranen5839]

Super easy: Trash Taste

[@DeadInsideDave]

you three are

[@yeyasanic7414]

ohhhhhh

[@hadimustafa3378]

Well the times are always changing so what if what you did made you cringe at the moment but in the future what if that act is not cringe thats 50/50 chance

[@tcrime]

Sorry but Henry VIII was definitely more based than cringe. Telling the Pope to do one and changing the whole state religion, not because of some philosophical differences, but because you want a divorce. Also the Field of the Cloth of Gold was pretty cool.

[@ironduke3780]

It is a shame the Pope at that time didn't look into the Orthodox approach of marriage and remarriage. Leo VI 'the Wise' managed to remarry 4 times until he eventually had a male heir, Constantine VII Porphyrogennitus.

[@jibbyjoms7689]

Oswald Mosley is pretty cringe.

[@GLUBSCHI]

Ok yeah yeah guys i'll admit it, i'm the cringe goat, i win this contest

[@El_Dandy_vasco]

Campeones del mundo 10:21

[@victorwagner2423]

Chamberlain was pretty cringe

[@mathewpercy3292]

I think Joey is least in the top 10 tbh

[@becharac]

Bio?

[@alwacho7298]

What is "bio", here? 0:00 - 1:40

[@galaxiaad]

B.O. means body odor

[@Harlequin_Actor]

The most cringe person in history is deffo the man who simped so hard for a woman that when she rejected him he went on to start the witch hunts

[@mooseboose656]

Actually true

[@upintheairstudio]

I would say Timothy Dexter is the cringiest.

[@DerpASherpa117]

Chris-chan is the King of Cringe, the OG lolcow.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Indians

[@fayyadh92]

I would rather be remembered for doing something terrible, because I always imagine there're two sides of the story, if the one who remembers me thinks I'm terrible then they are probably the one who is either affected by it or sided with them, because the reason might only seem terrible on one side. For example if you kill millions or maybe billions of people, removing them from the face of the earth because those people believe 100% in their heart that every person is born with evilness to justify their mass murder, do you still think you're the terrible one? And so the view that you did something terrible might come from different angles, Christians for example who believe that Jesus died for the sins of the people so that you can be born sinless(not that I know) but might then later agreed with the view that killing and stopping those groups who kill children without repercussion ... terrible, maybe because you're not in their group of faith or they don't know better but for whatever reason they think you're terrible, you yourself should know that you were doing something right.. So why won't I want to be remembered like that? It's not my fault for thinking those groups are the evil ones while others don't, it's just our views of what's good and what's terrible that is different. 😊

[@mooseboose656]

The mental gymnastics are crazy

[@siraco4278]

Shah ismail of the savafid dynasty

[@nanashi7779]

Lmao bros got it out for the safavids